connections to trump, and he could be the through line for all of the case. >> yeah, and protected, i was reading in christie's book again, he defended manafort. >> yeah, and we forget that rick gates is still out there cooperating. this is almost the year mark of his coop raugs. >> my thanks to my guests. that does it for our hour, right now we're going to "mtp daily." >> if it is monday, is it going from bad to worse for president trump? >>. good evening, i'm katie turr

in for chuck todd. the shut down was bad for the president and we begin tonight by bracing for things to get worse which includes another talk of another shut down. mr. trump threw a wrench into negotiations by predicting their likely to fail, he is openly talking about another shut down in less than three weeks. in fact at the first white house press briefing of the year, sarah sanders repeatedly refused to rule it out and she sadded it is the white house's assentment that the economy could sustain another one. meanwhile the president is sparring with ann coulter and some of the people at fox news. some are so worried about his insablt to handle nancy pelosi that has them alarmed. some senate republicans have vowed to fight and his associate

is being arraigned form two begin with two of the best reporters in all of washington, jake sherman and robert costa. both fish fans as well. they join our panel tonight, and fellow at harvard university's student of politics, aiyesha mills. how is the president fairing after the shutdown? >> right now the white house is wondering about whether or not the president should move forward with a national

emergency. they're looking at that as a way to show the republican base that the president is going to the extreme. they know the republican party is rattled by the shut down and doesn't want another in mid february. >> they're not ruling anything out at this point because the president is trying to be seen as a winner. someone that didn't retreat. he was frustrated over the weekend is what i was told, it is a stand off in mid february, the white house wants to hold those things out there as things they could do if this negotiation falls apart. >> the reporting out there painted an ugly picture of what was happying behind the scenes and the fenger pointing at who was at fault for this. the president has perhaps never been weaker when it comes to his

republican support in congress. that is obviously very relative. he is still pretty strong among republicans. if they decide to go with another shut down how much rope are they willing to give him? >> very little according to the republicans they have spoken to him. as a general rule, most members of congress do not prefer shut downs. we have been told that it is like using chemical bombs in warfare. it's not preferable. mitch mcconnell that went as far as to say we won't shut the government downright before congress did shut it down. the party that typically causes the shut down usually loses. generally speaking it is a gamble that you have the patience and the where with all

to last longer in a starring contest than the other side. you can think it is okay, but he blinked, and that is the reality of it here and there is no way that another shut down will result in a wall. the only question that matters at this point from a fact tick kal point of view is what the president is willing to accept when it comes to border security. he won't get $5 billion for a wall. he could get a large package that he could call a winning package on border security. will he be willing to accept that we don't know. he now added the state of the union in the middle of the standoff, which if you listen to republicans who support the president, it is a hopeful thing. >> let me ask you this, some of

the more hardline republicans want whatever deal that come through congress to have guidelines, amnesty for daca recipients, curtailing family migration, and a number of other significant changes. what is the likelihood that democrats would be on board for a larger package that did not include what would be considered immigration reform bipartisan moderate immigration reform? >> well that would by definition not include anything that the h hardline i'm graduation folks want. cuts to legal immigration and other -- >> and the amnesty rules they're proposing as well. >> right, so i don't think in this context maybe jared kushner

knows something they don't, but in this context, a committee which is the negotiations that congress is about to get into, they're pretty tailored around a set of circumstances. i don't think it is likely that a big immigration compromise will come together here, but the republicans that support the president, the wall is just one minor component of what they want. >> i wonder what would the president consider a win here, susan, if he is not getting his wall and not getting the more hardline immigration policies that the hard right wing of his party wants, what could he call a win? >> live to fight another day, i think the president will look for smart wall and reinforce steel barriers. they will get money for those types of things.

so she just trying to change the subject, there will be other things, it is live to fight another day, that is the best that he can hope for. those committee meetings can where things will get done, and there is no way they're going to do a big immigration deal because what would he have to rally against for the next 18 months. >> not only that, but we have been hearing about big immigration deals coming down the pipe for 20 plus years. but to your point here we know what trump will do or what he wants to do because he has one move. he will declare victory around something and move on. it's not like he will say "my bad" guys, sorry. there will be attempts to move on completely or basically say here is a piece of fencing, that's the wall, it is here.

>> the numbers for the president don't look good at all. take a look at this, who was to blame for the shut down, every major poll basically says the president was to blame. 51 for fox choose. 46 ap, the job approval for the president is down in every poll. it is unchanged in nbc's poll. and the final thing, when you w ask people what the state of america is, we have a word cloud that we will throw up on the screen. it didn't look good. people are calling it wrong track. these are potential things. >> it is unfortunate that whether or not people like him, whether or not people are satisfied with the state of the nation.

that is what people are getting to the state of the nice. what will they do to get us back on track. >>. >> how much weight is the administration putting on himself promise to get things done. what about the voters that voted for him they thought it would be a negotiator that would not be be holden to the other republicans and would be in a unique position to get things done. >> if you look at history, divided government has been a fertile government for negotiations between major political leaders of both parties in the 80s and the 90s. you had a lot of deals cut. that was always the environment for those kind of major grand

bargains. but this shutdown fight set a different kind of tone for divided government in 2019. instead of talking about infrastructure for prescription drug prices it is a stand off over immigration. a highly charged emotional issue that brings both party toward their base and not toward their center and that is where we are. >> why doesn't the president talk more about those things. talk about the opioid crisis, infrastructure, prescription drug pricing, the stuff that he could find bipartisan solutions on, is it because people tweet at him and tell him that is what he needs to do? >> it is not so much based on the media. at the same time, it was a president that sees the base in the g.o.p. as central to his

political survival. he is facing the mueller probe, facing a difficult year on many fronts, foreign policy, global unrest, as he looks ahead at all of that subpoena from capitol hill is part of the strategy. he doesn't like to share yet. he likes to just focus on look at what i have done. he has not done anything in his two years as president to go to the center. he has only gone to reinforce his base. >> the crowd didn't roar, but the people that put him into office, the trump triers, those were the ones that want wanted

to seen the system blown up in a good way. in a way to make it function again, and that's not what they getting with this version. >> they have given up on that. >> his numbers are terrible in these states because he gave up on these issues. the issues that i know work for me -- >> does that doom his reelection? >> he doesn't focus on many issues at all or problem solving or trying to get something done as much as erecting these symbols for himself. he is not coming in with ideas how how to make people's lives better. >> he claims he had those ideas, he wasn't specific about them. >> it is not really substantive, right? >> i'll make your dreams come true is what he said. word for word. i alone can fix it thing, he says he has fixed it.

the substance has not been fixed, that is clear, but that won't stop him from declaring vick as he has been doing over and over. >> the news of roger stone being indicted tomorrow, the drip by drip that we get from the mueller investigation, how much of that is wearing on republicans and whether or not they have appetite to back up the president during another shut down or national emergency. >> i interviewed a republican today for a book that i'm writing about someone involved in these investigations that is just fretting at the prospect of an organizing meeting on the oversight committee in the coming days. that would be a prefunctory meeting. i think the mueller probe will get going, people are under oath day after day in public in

committee hearings being on live cable tv. that will wear on republicans that have to or don't have to defend the president, but on the president who according to all of our reporting spends a decent amount of time watching cable news coverage of himself and it will be wall to wall coverage and i think that will be a dynamic that is very difficult for the white house to contend with. >> you might be wondering what i was wondering when i first saw it. apparently according to pete williams, the last thing said at the hawaiian news conference is the mueller investigation is close to being completed. we'll have more on that right after the break. stay with us, jake sherman, bob costa, thank you both. good faith, susan, and aiyesha will stick around. stay with us. ok look, if you're not the lead dog, the scenery never changes. that's why this is the view for every other full-size pickup. and this year, it's déjà vu all over again 'cuz only the ford f-150 with its high strength,

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moments ago matthew whittaker says he thinks the investigation is close to wrapping up. >> right now the investigation is, i think, close to being completed and i hope that we can get the report from director mueller as soon as possible. >> he also says he has been fully briefed. with me now is saul wisenberg. what do you make of matt whittaker's comments. >> nothing really. i heard that so many times from so many people that it may or may not be true. >> he would be in a position to know more than most people, don't you think? >> the story just broke two minutes ago, i just got a peak at it. yeah, it -- i think most people think it is relatively close to being wrapped up, but i said

that before and it turned out not to be true. >> so we will wait, how about that. >> let's talk about roger stone. he has been indicted. he will have a hearing tomorrow, expected to plead not guilty. there is a lot of talk about whether or not he might testify against the president. he said he would never do that and then hi said let's listen. >> i was not going to say anything that was truthful. >>. >> how much stock do you put into that. >> none if you heen thmean that interpreting it as holding out a potential olive branch.

first of all they don't want a witness like him. roger stone said so many things at so many different times to so many people and she considered to be such a loney bird that he would be practically worthless. if you say i lied and i'm paying the price for it. stone is just too weird as a public figure. he told so many stories they don't think mueller is interesting him in some major -- >> what will mueller, what -- is the searching, the search warrant for his house, what is he looking for?

>> the main thing is what he has done with all of these u.s. witnesses that have been dieted for emergency or obstruction related offenses or false statements saying you cannot lie to me. get it straight, get it through your head, it is amazing that people have not gotten it through their kids heads yet. that has been his objective throughout this case. there is no way he could drop that now and say yeah, roger stone has lied to us but we're tired of dieting peopindicting . stone taunted him and his office for a couple years. you can't tolerate if the allegations are true you cannot tolerate somebody who is repeatedly lying to congress and threatening witnesses. you just can't do it. >> so he was charged with lying and obstruction, and tampering with a witness. he was not charged with

conspiracy. when we look back at what we have seen coming out of mueller's office, there have been filings about how the russians were able to influence social media and the dex. there have been filings about the hacking into dnc e-mails and ricket's e-mails. there have been a number of filings detailing all of the people that people that lied in the ngs, there has not been any evidence or charges of conspiracy on the american side. do you think that is because the mueller team doesn't have it? are they building up a public case of sorts? what is your interpretation? >> i don't think they have it, i don't think it is there, all of this stuff i see with people looking at this indictment in terms of getting us closer to a conspiracy allegation, i think it is incorrect. if anything the indictment shows

the trump campaign was not shoveled in the conspiracy because they had to ask roger stone hey, go ask wikileaks what they have on hillary and when they're going to release is next. that doesn't sound like someone leading a experience or in on what is happening, so i reject the primary narrative i'm seeing on your network and cnn. >> it's another case of lying. >> i add the panel here as well. he's not the only one that has cast doubt on this other than the president's defenders who said if robert mueller had something bigger he would have come without with it before now. >> maybe, but we don't -- >> we don't know what he has by a long shot, he has been very careful in laying out a cause,

bun indictment following another and you can follow all of the pieces. we don't know how many other cases he may be referring to other driks. i think those cases probably got in his way more than anything else. >> what do you think of matt whittaker saying that? >> i want to go back to this, my grandmother told me you can judge a person by who they surround themselves by. there are about 38 thousanow indictments, they have all of the president's men and just not the president, yet, so we can't necessarily declare here is what the president can go down for, but there is nothing to sect that his hands are clean, it should all just continue to roll out so we can get to the bottom of it and not try to seal off the investigation and move on. >> why all of the lying from

everybody that seems to have something to do with him. >> first of all, there is not 38 indictments, there might be 38 counts but a number of those involve russians that have nothing to do with the united states. to answer your question, boy, it is an amazing thing. i have never seen a case like this when so many people lie and they didn't have to lie. in some cases you're saying they're trying to hide a connection with the russians whether important or not, that is very embarrass, that would be popadopulous. why did michael flin lie? he told senior campaign officials, senior transition officials that he would call the russians. so the question is why did he

lie to mike pence about that and why did he lie to the fbi. i think because he saw a newspaper report in the washington post or somewhere else that said you might be violating the low began act and he panicked. that is amazing. you have to sprat if the president is surrounding himself with sleedy people or people who, if given the opportunity, would have committed a crime and whether or not there has been a crime. julioul giuliani said he thinks mueller's report will be devastating and i expect it will be, but was the crime of experience with the russians committed? i don't think it is there. >> let's be clear, i mean everything that we have seen up until now would have spelled doomsday for any other president. the bar is getting higher, getting made higher and higher

by the president's team. if you don't find vladimir putin on the phone with donald trump saying this is when i want the wikileak dump, you a lot of evidence of serious wrong doing and shady people. >> wrongdoing is not necessarily a crime. >> thank you, saul, the panel is sticking around. more excitement for the widening field of democrats running in 2020. is our command. steak & lobster is back by popular demand, starting at only $15.99. hurry in to outback! steak & lobster is only here for a limited time. about medicare and supplemental insurance. medicare is great, but it doesn't cover everything - only about 80% of your part b medicare costs, which means you may have to pay for the rest.

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welcome back, kamala harris got a spirited reception in her native oakland. going forward will democrats in iowa, new hampshire, and beyond give her politics the same warm welcome? joining me now is our senior politics editor that was on hand at the harris announcement

yesterday. and gabe was also on hand at the harris announcement. marcus, let's talk about harris and the progressive wing of the democraticic party. it seems like everyone has been pulled to the left for the election so far. harris is talking about medicare for all. how do you feel about her debut there? >> i was at my office over looking the park, and it was kind of electric. it was amazing. i would karg that you're not seeing the party moved left. so i think she is right in the center where she needs to be. >> do you think so? >> the party certainly moved policy wise from where it was four years ago. to the left tof 2016, but a lot

of these issues poll extremely well. i think march does is right. you run on these not because you're trying to prove your credentials. >> when you pole voters on taxes, it is participate, they want to taxed more. is there a way to ameal to more conservative voters saying i'm going to tack the rich and give you health care. >> yeah, i think she is trying to have that sevconversation sag right now the game is rigged. working people are getting the bad end of the stick. we need to rebalance the system.

>> they are getting these breaks but all of us have an opportunity to thrive. that is a imagine. >> the democratic party, black voters, it doesn't hurt. and what i know about her announcement is she was talking about progressive issues at health care, medicare for all, some of the more boilerplate pushes to the left, but she leaned in on race in ways that i had not seen before. we had a gossip choir sing. she talked about young black men being targeted.

she is a prosecutor, she has a few issues, but i felt like she really leaned in on race on a way that. >> her slogan is for the people. my record until now, i'm going this for us, for us collectively as a you noited country. i'm not just saying i'm going to be the progressive in the race, she is trying to bring all of these things together. >> being a black woman matters and it is her path to victory. all of us, black girls rock if you look at the primary, right? and we're just doing a delegate count, she has to win south carolina, a large african-american population, california going early now, virginia, so many states with african-american populations that are super excited about her

and that is what matters in this primary. >> and they will open that people turn out like -- >> but in the general she did not, there might be a number of contributing factors to that, but she didn't entt up doing that. is it more about turning out the african-american vote or winning back those trump triers, the people that voted for obama in michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and then went to donald trump? >> i have always been all about maximizing turnout with core democratic constituency. so many of us don't vote. people of color, young voters, single women. the core democratic constituencies need to turn out. we won big because we have a field of candidates that looked

like our party. people were excited and it gave them a reason to get excited. i think that is what this field is, i can't imagine a tikt. going into next year's november that doesn't include kamala harris at the top or the vp spot. i think she is really dynamic and the future of the party. >> when you look at harris, gillibra gillibrand, there was path policy positions that were not so progressive. formally an immigration hawk, biden, aanita hill, they have hd policy consistency now for decades.

marcus? >> i think it helps. if someone that is proven i don't think it is the end all be all to be honest. the country has been moving for sure, it wasn't to long ago that civil unions were considered too crazy for the american people. it is okay. i think elizabeth warn claimed to be one of the most consistent candidates. i think that is part of the reason that she is doing so well. i think she has been generally consistent. i don't think it will matter in the end, i think people want to get kpooexcited about the new permipermi personalities and candidates and it will be the female and the people of color in the field. if you're a white male running this year you're not reading the

room correctly. >> so the idea that joe biden is the only one that could beat donald trump, is that incorrect. >> in iowa and other places i have been, they want a winner. they don't even really care who the nominee is, they just want -- >> that's the thing they want the win tore, whoever can take down trump, and there is a lot of fear that in this crowded primary process, people will be picking at one another. >> let's talk about economic populi populism. how much is there for someone like elizabeth warren, i can't a imagine you get a lot of people out there that will say no, i don't the to see that. >> it is the reason that people are looking for.

>> can she win over republicans? >> she is from okay, she talks about her republican brothers all of the time. he was a republican until the 90s. >> what does it mean to be a republican today? i think there is a difference between -- it depends on what you define a republican as. >> we're talking about this as if there is bag task to win over these middle voters and that's not how the math works. >> they need to win over the trump voters that decided to give him a shot. >> what does government look like going into the future if the parties only look for the voters in their party and never find any -- hold on, we don't have time for that. i'm getting yelled at. breaking news on the mueller probe and the announcement that

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the word independent is just a designation on the ballot. at a time in america when there is so much evidence that our political system is broken, that both parties at the extreme are not respecting the silent majority of the american people, isn't there a better way?

>> howard schultz posted that video this morning talking about how his third party run could take away votes from a democratic candidate. steve kcornacke is by the big boa board. >> the carter team with john anderson, turns out carter had far bigger problems, he was not a spoiler. some people still talk about him as a poiler. the exit poll said he drew evenly. a shadow of himself there. george w. bush was 537, bucannon

plays a role there, too. so what would happen with schultz if he would run, democrats are panics it would be a split. how about folks, the reluck and trump voters, they didn't want to a democratic, they voted for trump anyway, would schultz be a good option for someone that doesn't want to vote for trump. >> howard schultz will join morning joe, don't miss that. w. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage.

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news this hour. we mentioned the big news that acting attorney general just made. he said he's been fully briefed on mueller's probe, and he thinks it's nearly finished. and as that was breaking, the house intelligence committee announced that michael cohen has agreed to testify in a closed session before their committee. msnbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken dilanian joins us now. it's kind of player's choice, ken, if you want to go with cohen right now or acting attorney general whittaker, not the same as him appearing publicly before oversight. >> i think that's right, katy. i think it's an interesting and telling juxtaposition of these two stories. the game now is moving into congress, which it is the congress's job after all to tell the american people what happened with russian election interference in 2016. robert mueller was conducting a secret counterintelligence and criminal investigation where his only obligation is to file a

confidential report to the attorney general. a lot of hopes have been invest in what robert mueller is going to find and what he is going to inform the american public. we all hope we can learn what exactly he has found. but really, it's been the congress's job to tell the fuller story as it was during the watergate scandal of everything that happened criminal and noncriminal. because there is wrongdoing that can happen short of criminal. this a big deal. as you know, nbc news reported in december that the mueller investigation was close to wrapping up, and we had law enforcement sourcing that was not matt whitaker necessarily. other people have told us this. people have been expecting this for a while. to have the attorney general go on the record and say this is a huge milestone. it's something we should pay attention to. >> when you say nbc news reporting, you mean ken dilanian reporting and pete williams reporting about when the investigation was going wrap up. talk to me about, though, ken, about why you think that this means it's going more into the

hands of congress. cohen is just one person. the mueller team, they've gone through many more, and they've gotten much more out of them. the manafort sentencing was also delayed. if the investigation is wrapping up, why delay manafort's sentence? >> well, actually, that was delayed at his own lawyer's request, remember when he realized there was a good chance he was going to prison, and he decided to take a pass and wait. but look, what i think i mean by that is congress is eventually going to hopefully have access to everything that mueller has. and hopefully make most of that public with the exception of secret grand jury material and highly classified intelligence. and they will be able to tell the american public a story about what happened both things that were crimes and things that weren't crimes, but that were very disturbing and should be brought to the attention of the american public. if robert mueller isn't going to bring a grand conspiracy that knits everything together and

suggests that trump and his top aides were convening in the election with russian interference, that bad judgment, negligent, some of this has been in plain sight, katy, as you know, because you covered the campaign. i think you will see congress having a series of hearings eventually to air all this out. >> and it depends on how this congress defines high crimes and misdemeanors. >> that's absolutely right. >> and is there wrongdoing that has been already reported and alleged in some of these filings. is that enough for congress to say that this president is not fit for office? >> one of the things we also don't know is don mcgahn gave 30 hours, the former white house attorney gave 30 hours of testimony to robert mueller. so i'm sure oversight, even if it doesn't apply necessarily to the russian investigation, if there was anything out of bounds, they would like to look into that. so there is a lot of things that can spiral off on this, if you will. so there is a lot of material.

mueller's investigation is supposed to stay in one lane. he has referred it to other places, and we'll see what happens there, but that won't stop congress. >> and we will find out. if there is one thing the democratic new leaders of the congress have made clear, they're not going to rush into anything. they're going to build a long case based on evidence and try to win over the majority of the country to the view, if they think it's property that trump should be removed from office or if we should have that conversation. to some degree we can speculate what their intentions are, but they're going to build a case one way or another. the question should we should be asking ourselves right now is how long would it take to build that case? because if it takes a year and a half, we have an election coming up. >> if robert mueller does not find collusion or conspiracy, which is what the president an his team has said is the only real bar, the only important bar there is, if they don't find it, what happens to those out there who have told themselves that it's all right there.

it's going to happen, and there will be conspiracy and there will be collusion, and will they react -- will they believe robert mueller, i guess is my question? >> i'm hoping that investigation is going to happen through congress gets beyond that. so collusion isn't the only thing. there is other wrongdoing that could be found. and so obstruction of justice is a conversation to figure out like can we prove that. there is so much to -- there are so many questions to ask. and what i am interested in is this congress now, how nancy pelosi and her folks are going to ask the right questions. because i do think we have a public appetite for well, it collusion, did he hang out with the russians and that's it? >> to your question about mueller and will people believe it, there will be some that do and some that don't. >> no matter what he finds. >> no matter what he finds, there are people saying he is part of the deep state or if he doesn't oh, trump got him. >> or ag whitaker did something. >> this is why it's so important to look at the goalpost that's

going on. that's where a lot of the base is taking their cues right now. it used to no collusion, nothing happened here. this is going to be done by november 2017. now it is there wasn't any specific collusion by the president himself that i know of. maybe he knows it and maybe some people around him, but look over there. there is a reason for that. >> and just one other thing to think about for a minute. all of this stuff is happening. nancy pelosi is trying to make government function there are just going to be a -- so many other things that disrupt this conversation as we go forward in the next six months. >> there is a whole presidential election going on. >> we also have matt whitaker appearing before house judiciary committee in an open hearing on february 8th. so i'm assuming there will be a ton of questions about what's going on with the investigation and what he knows. >> yeah. and i wonder how much of this, too, is also going to be made public for us to have the deep dive into it. because that's going to be interesting as well. right now we don't know the extent of the investigation because a little bit is going to come out here and there. i wonder if congress is going to

say hey, we want to be as transparent as possible, so we're asking questions because we want you to know full answer, american public, because that will also play into how things go with the elect side. >> sal wisenburg was on the air with a little while ago. he was saying he doesn't believe mueller as team is going to find conspiracy or collusion. he beliefs that they just don't have it. that's why they haven't made any court filings that allege such. >> you know what? i think as we talked about earlier, why should that be the standard i guess is the question we all have to ask ourselves. is the standard for conduct of a president a criminal conspiracy? what if mueller comes forward with a report that says the trump administration was victimized by a russian intelligence scheme and behaved negligently by meeting with russians who meant the country ill and then trying to could have it up and lying about it. that would it would seem to me be a very damaging report. we've got to be careful about sort of shifting t ing thing th

of what is appropriate for president of the united states. >> we do need to define that. i do wonder how the president and his supporters and right wing media will take that. >> fair question. >> and use to it their advantage to help hang on to the support that the president has or might have in the future. ken, gabe, susan, ayesha, thank you, guys, all. that will do it for us. we will be a back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat with ari melber" starting right now. >> this is the first week to begin with the government open. trump caving on the ball, blowing through $11 billion, and why it matter fosser the future of this trump/pelosi era. but we begin with this picture, indicted former trump aide roger stone posting this picture today of him traveling for his mueller court appearance tomorrow. and you can see the caption, "and so it begins." here is how that actual scene looked today. this is real footage we just got. stone