first female and first black governor. you can catch that on any news network, including msnbc. don't go anywhere because as you know "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. stone walling. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. there's a lot of news tonight. roger stone makes his first court can appearance today. the cost is tagged at 11 billion. democrats announce who will give the particulaty 36sancer to president trump's state of the union and in just a few minutes governor sherry brown is on a countdown, i think to 2020. we good gin with big developments in the russian probe. acting attorney general matt whitaker saying the mueller

probe is quote close to being repeated. the lingering question remains will he deliver on his mandate to unearth any collusion between the trump campaign and russia. and today the most recent trump associate pleaded not guilty in a washington court house. come cans as stone continues to lever a full-court press of media appearances. giving at least 10 tv interviews, five press conferences, and no fewer than catch this eight costume changes, all since his arrest on frooitd. in fighting charnel cans of obstruction, witness tampering and lying to congress, stone is due back in court friday and set to appear before the same federal judge who reside over the case of paul manafort. this after acting attorney zeneral matt whitaker saying he's been fully briefed and thinks it's lohse to complete. >> you know wrv rr been fully briefed on the investigation.

and i look forward to director mueller doctor livering the final report and i really am not going to talk about open and ongoing investigation otherwise. but right now the investigation is, i think, close to being umcan pleated and i hope that we can get the report from director mueller as soon as possible. >> a little stumbling. anyway, the special counsel has brought charges against 34 people and three companies. tlrs question is whether mueller, in his final act, will deliver what he was set to fiernd, a conspiracy between trump and russia. the stone indictment already contains the building blocks and could foreshadow more charges to come. that's because the stone indictment carried out in a concerted effort to obtain and

exploit and stolen dnc email said in order to help trump. sits on the house intelligence committee, and justice reporter with the nbc news and a former federal prosecutor and oj official. i'm going to start with elliott because i want a sense of this. a bang or a whimper? are we going to get what we went to find out? did the russians cooperate? both ways, trump and the russians, did they work together? >> i think everybody wants one answer. is the president going to get indicted? are we going to find out something critical about the russians? look at all the information that's come out. this has been a hugely successful prosecution. >> but will he answer the question in the mandate. did trump collude with russia? >> trump himself may not have colluded with russians. it's clear from paragraph 12 of the indictment that vinyls on

the campaign were trying to direct interactions with russians and wikileaks and so on. so they got close. now whether this is something they can be charged with, it's not clear. >> thatope othens question is trump some kind of criminal master mind that he's able to over see criminal enterprise that brings dirty stuff from moscow with their help, does exactly what the investigation is supposed to prove he did do and he never got his fingers on t ever once told somebody to do this ever. >> it was a very centralized campaign. it says that is senior campaign official was directed. so we could think anyone higher than a senior could be -- but let's also point out what is not in this charging document in the indictment. roger stone himself is not charged with conspiracy with the russians.

it doesn't even say he knew for sure this information was coming from a russian hack. so how can we with expect then, unless there's more work which of courses there is, there's so many stones unturned. >> ha. >> ha. i didn't mean to do that. if they can't make that connection from roger stone to the russians, how can they make it to the president? >> it's like wheel of fortune when you have to comfleet whole phrase. where are you on this? where are you in seeing a connection between candidate trump then and the russians? >> a couple things. first i don't believe there are any coincidences that existed in this and i think we have to quote steve bannon who once said there's zero chance the president of the united states did not know about the trump tower meeting. and that the sun didn't go straight to the dad and tell him what took place.

we know he dictated falsified response to that meeting. it's a very hard for me to believe that the man with this personality central to the campaign wasn't engaged and involved in drebting people to have this coordination. >> especially to remind us all he said i want the russians now on television to go get the hillary emails. anyway in plain sight. in his multimedia appearances, roger stone repeatedly denied a central allegation. he quote was contacted by senior trump campaign officials to inquire about future release by wikileaks. stone says nobody approached him about the leaks. >> the allegation that two campaign officials instructed me or inquired of me about wikileaks is faulsz. i suspect that they could induce somebody to say that.

but they would be people either with an ax to grind or seeking a reduction in their sentence. >> why would a guy that was just arrested, put in shalks, thrown before the court and have to pay big bail money show up in 9 different costumes? what is going on here? what's tlr escapade about? >> a pathological lie whoor can't get his story straight. this is an individual, if you read the indictment, a number of instances of lying, tampering with witness withes and so on. and he's trying to throw people off the scent of his wrong doing. so what's going on here? he has a tattoo of richard nixon on his back i can't explain what's fwoiing on where him. it's a public relations stunt to undermine the investigation which someone else we know has done that and hietz rr president of the united states. they're all trying to attack the

fundamental integrity of the investigation because they know they don't have a decent legal argument uths with. >> roger stone has borrowed a page from the president's play book. as we've seen on multiple occasions, the president has accused witnesses of fabricating stories about him to please prosecutors. now stone is toing the same thing about others. >> i'm mindful of the special counsel's ability to induce people to say things that therant true, specifically people seeking to reduce their sentence or an ax to grind. >> particularly if they're looking for a retukz in their sentence. but there is no proof here. >> it appears to me they have composed testimony for someone, perhaeps rick gates, perhaps steve bannon. >> roger stone jumped around a lot in the media. he showed off the fact he knew it was going to be podesta's

time barrel, to use his phrase. now it's his time in the barrel. he seems like a guy that wanted to look guilty, flirt with disaster but now he's dancing away from it. and even now doesn't seem to act normal. what do you make of this witness in this case that could be the prime witness in the russia connection? >> i was one of three that questioned mr. stone and i did ten years of criminal defense work. i've never met anyone quite like him. it is half show, half barnm and bailee. i absolutely can't make it out. it's one thing when you read the transcript and indictment. one thing to be in the room when he's doing testifying. i don't think anyone in their right mind would believe him for a seconds. >> well, chris christie who briefly ran trump's transition

says he doesn't think it looks like mueller is finishing up. >> matt would know better than anybody. but i can just tell you the thing about this mueller investigation is there has been no leaking. and you just don't know what they're up to. matt probably knows more than anybody in the country other than bob mueller. but bob mueller doesn't feel to me he's almost done. i don't think he's ending on roger stone but could be. >> everybody here, same question. is it logical he'll end with a crescendo and they build up to the top guy, build up, build up, lieutenants, commander and finally to the top guy. does that suggest we're getting near the end or not? the governor seems to be questioning that? >> you don't always get the top guy but that doesn't mean the investigations hasn't been

successful and even if you can't charge the president or anybody senior with crimes, there's conduct they shouldn't have been doing. >> can you impeach a guy for that? >> for some of it, depending on what they find but if the president is directing a foreign act rbz to medal in our election to try to skew the outcome, of course that's an impeachable offense. it's just shady behavior. it may not be something you convict him of. >> there are now d.c. prosecutors pres ntd in the prosecution team and courtroom genls stone. the attorneys on mueller's team already have license to practice in d.c. it's not clear why they needed those. i wonder if this is a plan if either mueller wants to conclude or a fail safe if he gets fired. if there is a way we could fwaet mueller report where he ends his

probe but there are numerous strands still to pull, whether it's trump organization or various other associates and aids of his that could still be criminally charged in the months to come. >> that's how michael cohen ended up getting charged. it got spun tough to a u.s. attorney up there. >> can you imagine now that somewhere we look at this like a rico charge, like the president, this president as a candidate in transition and in office was running a criminal enterprise. all kinds of people doing criminal things under his supervision and they were doing it because they were serving his purposes. can you do that to a president without proving he was on the phone? like the nixon thing went down because he was on the phone and telling him tell the cia to get the fbi on this. can you do it without that kind of evidence? >> look, we're in uncharted territory. i think what's troubling is the

fact that mr. whitaker's talking like this. he's told to stay far away from this investigation. play no role. what he's saying yesterday was very, very troubling. basically messaging potential witness of hey, this issall most over the fact he knows all about this is concerning in the fact he might share it with someone that white house or the trump legal team. >> paint a damming picture for the trump campaign. the fact he lied to cover up his contact with wikileaks suggest the trump campaign may have colluded in 2016 and news paul manafort lied about giving polling data to a russian operative and owen who lied about trump building a trump tower in moscow oat the same time trump was running for president. and finally george papadopoulos

lied about learning that the russian husband dirt from hillary's emails. why to they lie about anything to do with russia and i was listening all day. they don't regularly lie, these people. they're not just liars but they lie about russia. >> two federal agents, two courts, and two congress. these are all serious crimes. >> they broke the logan act which can is never enforced. what made michael flynn just lie on a conversation of sanctions with cis can leac. why did they lie about a meeting nothing came of . >> they're lying to prootect themselves, the president or the president's campaign. it's self interest and you see it all the time. either they think they'll get away it w it or they won't get in trouble for it. >> or they'll pardoned. we have to listen to sarah sanders.

she would not rule out parding stone. >> she doesn't have the license to say that because he may well do it. >> elliott williams on my left. a potential 2020 candidate from ohio reelected again. and the fallout of trump's disaster shutdown. and by the way trump said he's considering another shutdown and once again mocked the scientific reality of climate change saying we need global warming. bill nye the science guy will be there respond to our denier in chief. d to our denier in chief.

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welcome back to "hardball." on the on the's 2016 road to

victory was paved through wisconsin, pennsylvania and ohio the democratic senator was set to launch his dignity of work tour, bringing his work withing class progressive message to iowa, new hampshire and south carolina, fuelling 2020 speculation. asked last week whether he plans to run for president, he said we'll make that it scission in the weeks ahead, but given the stinging defeat in those states and brown's commanding victory in those states where donald trump won by eight points, democrats have got to ask is brown the guy that could bring the midwest states back into the fold? thank you, sir. earlier today three of the president's top intelligence officials, including fbi director christopher ray and cia director and it dan coats present an update on their assessment of global threats. at times they directly contradicted president trump.

let's watch. >> well, isis is nearing territorial it feet, the group has returned to its guerilla warfa warfare roots. isis is intent on resurging and still commands thousands of fighters in iraq and sear wru. >> and we have won against isis. we've beaten them and beaten them badly. >>nic north korea is unlikely to umcan ple completely give up its nuclear weapon capability because its leaders view them as critical to regime survival. >> we've made a lot of progress that's not reported by the media. but we've made a lot of progress in terms of denuclearization is concerned. >> not only did the russians

continue to do it butted we've seen an indication they're continuing to adapt their model and other countries are taking an interested eye in that approach. >> president trump just said it's not russia. i don't see any reason why it would be. >> senator, this is pretty disquieting. the fact the president doesn't buy information given to him on isis, he says it's gone. they say it's alive and dangerous. north korea is dangerous. trump seems to think everything is calm. and russia is still interfering with our elections. >> you see a couple things on the show you talk about. this preside this president clearly has twrubl the truth. he lies about all kinds of things. he's always a president that wants to distract from what other things are happening. instance a big part of the government shutdown is the

president demonizes immigrants. so you're not think about how he betrays workers in youngstown, ohio. i mean consistently the president is trying to distract from the things not going well so that we talk about immigrants or the caravans or we talk about things broad where he brags generally in a way that's simply not true. >> no arg wrmt here. on the on the was elected on the promise that they would refrain from reckless regime change. >> they've dragged us into foreign wars that have made us less safe. >> our new foreign policy is going to always put america first. >> unlike my opponent, my foreign policy will emphasize diplomacy, not destruction. sometimes it seemed like there wasn't a country in the middle east but hillary clinton didn't

want to invade, intervene in or topple. >> we will abandoned the policy of reckless regime change. >> that's what i liked about his campaign. the trump administration officially recognized an opposition figure as the acting it leader of venezuela. and appeared with a yellow pad with a yellow pad that read 5,000 troops to columbia. all options are on the table. that language is scary, it's the iend of neocontalk and it's been brought into the white house if not by trump then by john bolton, who want to invade every country in sight. >> trump himself used the word reckless. in this behavior is reckless and irresponsible. you don't start off by in any way threatening military action.

you work with your allies, whether it's tariffs or working on iran or working on any kind of international diplomacy, the president rarely works with kand tits in the eu and our allies round the world and this is a time we want free and fair elections and we bring our allies in to this, not with threats of military action but with good diplomatic skill and you look at the president's views of institutions we believe in from nato to things such as the paris climate agreement, all those kinds of things we should be part of and the president has pushed away, obviously. >> senator warren, your colleague from massachusetts is talking now about a wealth tax on people that have wealth over 50 million. what do you make of that approach for the democratic party? >> i thik you're going to see a lot of those kinds of proposals.

clearly we need to make the wealthiest 1% pay more. the trump tax cut went to the wealthiest 1%. far but the other end matters. what really matters is where these dollars are spent. are you spending on medical research, public education? i met with ohio school board members and we're talking disability edge indications act. that it's so low funded and they're struggling to take care of disabled children. so when we edo a better tax bil and system in 2021 with i hope a democratic senate and house, one of the things we do is we roll back a lot of these corporate tax cuts that have gone to companies and giving incentives

to out sourced jobs and giving big tax cuts to the rich, make a fair tax system and the revenue should go tee infrastructure and health care. >> i think it the infrastructure, and i say betrayal. he spent the money in the tax cuts and that went to people in the top to buy back stock which all it did was screw the workers and fire people. it clearly is tracking the tour of the early caucuses and primaries starting in iowa, rather. going to new hampshireerse nevada, california. >> you know when you love your country, you fight for the people to make it work. the message i want to come out of this is whoever the democr democratic nominee to make their center piece of campaign the dignity of work. you talked about winning ohio and a state trump won by double

digits. too many democrats look at it as you talk to the progressive base and i've been a progressive from voting against the iraq war to ais porting marriage equality. you talk to the progressive base or working class voters and you got to do both and i want dignity of work to be the center piece. we've seen for a couple of decades now pipeeral are workin harder, productivity is up and yet wanls are flat. one of the central parts of the next congress needs to be focusing on work so when they work hard they get ahead and that's not happening in this country and that needs to be the message for any democrat that runs in 2020. >> i'm thinking about the campaign poster and your name, brown, and i think of another name, harris and i'm wondering

whether harris brown or brown harris looks good to you. you're progressives, different parts of the country, probably different tones to your ideologies but similar in product in terms of prag mattocks. >> i'm not going to comment on a ticket but i like kamala. i was amazed at somebody called her unamerican today for a proposal she had on health insurance that one of the billionaire kand tits for president. so i stand with her on that. i think very highly of her. >> do you think we're better off having a two-person choice so there's none of these stragling 5 or 6 million votes that don't help a kand tit. will they help a candle dt in reverse? are we healthier with a two-party candidacy and that third one spoiling somebody's win? >> when i think of a billionaire

running as an independent, we etried a billionaire and they won. and look where we are. you're asking about an individual kand tit yes i want a choice between trump and a progressive democrat, we're going to have that and i think we've got to win the industrial midwest, the heartland, the great lake states the state you grew up and i represent and we thachg country. >> i think this third party possibility is a little too caffeinated for me. grrs luck on your tour. we have a catholic face. froors work is to pray. we believe in that. >> sounds like pope leo roam roam 13. >> exactly. >> labor pope. exactly right. coming from lutheran here. >> a lot to do with the new deal and everything else came out of that papal.

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i hope this serves as a less on to president trump and all of my republican colleagues. no shutdown. president trump touched a hot, hot stove and hopefully he won't do it again. >> that was senate minority leader chuck schumer on the consequences of the shutdown. $11 billion lost. we're learning more about the economic toll. temporary loss to the economy of $11 billion. just lost economic activity. bipartisan group of law makers will begin working on a deal for border wall funding ahead of a february deadline. president trump has ruled out -- won't rule out a possible of another shutdown. and a ducongressional hearing, the chief cans of u.s. intelligence agencies made no mention of what the president has teamed a crisis at the southern border or a need for the wall. in charge of proteching this

country see nothing to worry about but last night sean hannity came to the president's defense over a tax from his quote conservative friends. >> do you believe for one second, do you really believe the president has stopped his full-on fight over the border wall that he has promised? has he not shown he is a tenacious fighter when it comes toeping his promises? don't let what i believe to be a shift in strategy fool you. because i don't have any doubt at all that the president is going to fight as hard, if not harder for the money for the wall. >> wouldn't you like to have a friend like sean who will defend anything you do. national political reporter for the "washington post." i want to ask you the same question from different perspectives. bob, i know how a senate conference works in the house. ia get together in a room, you spend days doing it sometimes. you find the common stuff and

try to get everything included but sometimes things don't get included. a conference tries to find common ground. both sides say they want border protection. why can't they find some way of calling a fence a wall because we already have a lot of fence? isn't there a way we can get past this and make people feel better about the border and end this for a commonths or years even? >> easy scene at the capitol. we've been talking to senators on both sides. they say too many ideas are being floated. it's not just about a narrow package on border security. lindsey graham talking about adding a debt limit tis cushion and others are talking about spending cuts. democrats are talking about what about dreamer protections. could they be part of a broader immigration deal but they don't

want any funding for a wall. sglr >> i'm sorry. the president mainly but some on the other side beginning to talk about people in the middle east. let's talk about whose historic right is to this brick here. can't you say we have a lot of fencing aross the border. anybody has seen there. 96 fence and call that the wall? i know i'm not ideological about something. we are arguing about because we want to argue. >> we absolutely can and chris, last time you and i spoke you said what is the plan and what's the dollar amount? it's a four-point plan. that will all be worked out. >> and you're talk about border protection? >> we have 3,000 openings for custom agents. we're talking about radar. we're talking about technology.

making sure that every vehicle that comes into our country, we have a way to check that. >> for drugs. >> the ports of entree where 90% of our drugs are coming through the port of entree. 2,000 mile oofz wall. it's not even practical. >> how many miles now? >> i don't bknow the answer to that. >> people in texas tell me there's a wall. i've seen it below san diego. you can't cover -- so we're arguing over what percentage of the wall is going to be built. i know the importance to trump. he has to say a wall, like a chinese wall. >> he talked about it 200 times on the campaign trail but we can get this done if you have

reasonable people sitting around the table, we can get it done. >> today speaker pelosi and senate leader schumer announced stacey abrams, former democratic governor in georgia will give the democratic response to trump's speech. i think i know why but why do you think she was selected, this great wum snn. >> the strongest base is african-american women. doug jones would not have won without african-american women. 97% of african-american women vote for him. that's why we have a senator u.s. senator in alabama. she's a super star. >> i agree. >> another reason stacey abrams was selected is democrats are looking at the map for senate races in 2020. they see a top target in senator david perdue, an ally of president trump.

senator schumer by making this selection along with the house is speaker, he's trying to say get in that race in 2020. >> good for you. >> if democrats can win in alabama with doug jones, they're going to try to win in georgia where abrams came close. >> and politically wonderful. i also think there's a sense of righting the vote. because with all the publicity of beto o'rourke of being a bigging national leader a democrat. i think they have to do with the other person who lost a lohse race. they need the same respect that beto o's getting and i this is i hope part of that effort. thank you, sherry congressman of the democrats. robert kosta, the great trump listener. you're not a whisperer, a listener. that's what i'm saying.

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large parts of the country are preparing for the coldest temperatu temperatures in decades. president trump is down playing the role of climate change and he's not alone. >> if global warming is auzed by your suv, why is it we're seeing global warming on every other body in the solar system? as you know for the last decade or so the martian south polar ice cap is conspicuously receded, pluto is warming over the past 14 years. >> what about -- california? where you have the waves rashing against the shore lines and time and time again you have the cliffs crash into the sea. all of that displaces water, which forces it to rise, does it not? >> we keep hearing 2014 has been the warmest year on record. i asked the chair you know what this is?

it's a snow ball and that's from outside here. so it's very, very cold out. >> i'm joined by bill nye the science guy, author of "everything all at once." why do they come up with the comical ex comical excuses to deny the science? >> it starts with the fossil fuel industry that works hard that plaus minus 2% is higher and in fact they've hired the same people the cigarette industry hired. the polster who said doubt is your friend. he coached republican presidential nominees that to introduce the wrd that there's doubt about scientific uncertainty. so therefore there's tout about the whole thing and that's patently wrong and frustrating for us in the science education community on the fact-based science. >> what to you say to the grave musort, almost 2/3 of trump

voters say it's not an issue with them personally. whatever you make of that. rirbtsz not an issue with me personally. >> it really is. if you ask any farmer, any professional in agriculture. the pests are showing up earlier in the growing season and sticking around longer and this means more herbicides, more mechanical removal of rogue weeds and this is very expensive. so it will add to the cost of food and the other problem is growing in north america, which is the bread basket of the world, even now, the agricul chr is going to have to move north into what would nomally be canada and we don't have the infrastructure can, the roads and railroads to get food from that area to where we need it. of course it can be built but the longer we mess around and

not address the problem, the more difficult it will be. i claim people in rural areas are effected perhaps more than those in urban areas and they've been hoodwinked and led astray by this group of like minded people who feel the economic effects of getting away from fossil fuels are go toing to be catastrophic but that's simply not true. sglrsz every time i see a koch brothers add, i think they should get a tax write off. it's in their economic interest, isn't it? the koch brothers, gas and oil, to deny? it's in their economic interest to deny science and that's why they run all of these advertisements. >> that's their perception. i'm not a member of the board of directors of the solution project.org but these are civil engineers who have done an analysis of our electrical grid

and they believe, quite reasonably we could go 80% sustainable, renewable in 15 or 20 years and 100% in twice that. and this would changing the world. the united states wouldn't need to get its energy from overseas. it would be domestic energy and some people very concerned are in the u.s. military and they would welcome not having to protectile fields thousandther side of the world. over reaching efects of climate change is something people have trouble with. would happen in what seems like slow motion and global. >> the growisuhairau desert and trees left and people are moving north into europe and in our hemisphere it's people from central and latin america moving north because how much is

climate related to the migration pattern? >> that's not clear about central america but it is clear about florida. there's two cities. miami and miami beach. people in miami beach are quite wealthy and can aafford have so-called mitigation sea walls. but middle class and lower income in miami cannot aafford have their cars flooded once a month or wheel wells flooded once a month and they're going to move north in florida. are they going to abandoned their mortgages? what is the economic effect of that? it's far reaching. and i understand it's very troubling for a lot of us to think a human species, just a few people on the earth can somehow change the climate of the entire world but we're doing it. and the effect may be less apparent because your neighbors are so far away but it's happening. thank you, chris. >> we should have you back more

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