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tomorrow on "the beat" we have jill wine backs for fall back friday. stay tuned. hope you join it. "hardball" is up next. can trump stand the dos? sorry, can he stand the truth? let's play hard ball. good evening, president trump is going to war with the country's intel chiefs refusing to back his own director of national intelligence or the cia director. >> do you have confidence in gina haspel or dan coats to give
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you good advice? >> i disagree with certain things they said. i think i'm right. time will prove me right probably. >> wow. yesterday president trump undercut their assessments as passive and naive saying they should go back to school. then the "washington post" reports the president now faces an increasingly adversarial congress from both parties. john thune said i would prefer the president would stay off twitter, particularly with regard to these important national security issues where you have people who are experts and have a background and are professionals. missouri senator roy blunt told the "post," this is an intel community the president has largely put in place and i have confidence in them and i think he should, too. unlike all out trumpites like days of, say see themselves as independent from the president.
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they join chuck schumer who effectively argued for an intervention to dan coats. senator schumer urged him to impress upon the president how critically important it is for him to join you and the leadership of our intelligence community in speaking with a unified and accurate voice about national security threats. today the president was trying to put out the fire, he started telling reporters he spoke with his intel chiefs about their testimony. >> reporter: mr. president, did you talk to your intelligence chiefs today about the displeasure you had? >> i did and they said they were totally misquoted and they were totally -- it was taken out of context so what i do is i'd suggest you call them. they said it was fake news. >> we ran what was said to congress. >> excuse me, it didn't surprise me at all. i. >> he tweeted out a photo of his intel team saying they had been mischaracterized and on a second tweeted added we are all on the
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same page. i'm join by ted liu, janet pettypiece and evan mcmullin, a former cia operative and independent presidential candidate. congressman liu, what is going on? why are republicans like john thune of south dakota and roy blunt of missouri, regular republicans, the first time we're seeing them say to the president you're off base, pay attention to the intelligence community and stop fighting them. >> thank you chris for your question. today is thursday that means donald trump is lying again. they were not lying, it's all on videotape. you see republicans going against the president because we rely on facts or intelligence community or our department of defense, we innovate, we have a
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strong military, strong intelligence community because we rely on facts and the president does not. >> i know you're a democrat and proud to be so but do you think it might be that the republican party exists for a reason. they have a long stretch of years during the world war where they're proud of being the hard-line party on foreign affairs and defense. they took pride in that. they weren't the ones that was loosy goosy about the threats around the world. they took them damn seriously. they used to -- before trump came along. >> that's correct. i also think last november's elections had a result that changed minds in the republican party. the republicans got crushed. they lost by the most popular vote margin in u.s. history and that's making more republicans stand up to the president because they see they have to win their own reelections. >> shannon, what's his problem? it's like an eight-year-old kid says i'm not eating my peas, i'm
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not putting on my clothes. i'm not doing anything right because i'm a kid. >> i think it reflects two personality traits we've seen throughout his presidency. the first is his inability to see anything outside of himself. his inability to see the bigger picture. some people call that narcissism but even people close to him and who like him will tell you he's a narcissist. so if the intelligence doesn't reflect properly on him, he'll attack the intelligence. also he has a hard time seeing who his friends and enemies are. your enemies are kim jong-un and vladimir putin. your enemies are not the intelligence community. not gina haspel or coats. he can't see who his friends and his enemies are here so he's lashing out at them while not seeing the bigger foreign policy implication of attacking the intelligence community and cozying up to authoritarian leaders. >> congressman i heard your guffaw there. this psychological -- have you seen it before? where a person cease every
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criticism as an enemy who's a krit snick in other words he doesn't listen to criticism, he just says this guy turned on me. it's all about this person looking out and seeing menmies. >> i have some acquaintances like that but the president of the united states shouldn't be like that donald trump took an oath to protect the united states against all enemies foreign and domestic. and now you see congress standing up to the president who shows a very tenuous relationship with the facts. >> you've been undercover, what about the man or woman in a tricky spot right now, maybe in russia, maybe iran or north korea. we have them everywhere and they're facing execution if they're picked up. they have to lie about everything they do. it's always scary and it's
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unnerving and you hear the president of the united states is trashing their agency, trashing truth. >> he is and -- >> what do they say? who is this character? >> right. look, i think it's demoralizing to a degree but these people, they're so committed to their mission but it has an impact on the foreigners they work with. many people don't realize we depend on our -- to achieve our national security objective wes often, almost all the time depend on foreign partners. and when they see this happening inside our country, it makes them less confident, less sure they can collaborate and work with us towards keeping our border -- >> who would want to be recruited by donald trump? is that the question you're asking? >> donald trump wouldn't be doing recruiting but he's perhaps been recruited. >> you think he might have been
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recruited by the russians? >> i'm being tongue in cheek but i think the president is under the influence of russians. >> the fbi investigated him when he was coming into office. >> i've been saying it for almost three years. >> the fbi sicced themselves on him saying he's acting like an agent. >> that's right. we'll find out more in time as these investigations go forward about that. i have to say this. there are two big reasons why donald trump's failure to accept the facts about national security matter. number one is our security agencies depend on authorities from the president in order do their work. if he's operating on an imaginary set of facts that means it's harder for him to get support. when the president says isis is defendant even though it isn't
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and that north korea isn't much of a problem even though it is and that russia isn't a problem like it is. h if he builds the message like this, he builds a constituency. so even though congressman lieu is saying congress is standing up to trump, you see republicans divided on, for example, keeping sanctions on the companies of russian oligarchs. in the past it would have been a no brainer, almost unanimous republican vote. now it isn't. the reason is trump is creating a constituency for a failure to confront and handle these real national security challenges because he's got the presidential bully pulpit and that's what he uses it for. >> the senate delivered another rebuke to the president late today by backing mitch mcconnell's amendment disapproving the withdrawal of troops from afghanistan and syria by a vote of -- look at this -- 68-23. by the way, that's an impeachable and convicting number, by the way, you only need 67 to get rid of a president. republican john kennedy of louisiana voted against the
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amendment telling nbc news our middle east policy right now looks like something my dog has been keeping under the back porch. nobody knows what it is but it's ugly. congress i heard another guffaw from you. this is disturbing you a lot but this is our president and you know it better than i do. this guy doesn't seem to have coherence and he reason he doesn't is because he refuses to be a team member even with his own team, which is strange behavio behavior. >> i'm on the house foreign affairs committee. thank goodness democrats control that. we're going call witnesses and ask what is your strategy in syria? i want to make one more point about the intel chiefs testimony. if you read the written statements and watch what they said yesterday, they don't talk about the southern border at all and now we have a president who is imagining this virtual invasion at the southern border that doesn't exist so we have clear problems at the top of our leadership and hop hopefully
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we'll correct it. >> why is he saying something that has no basis in fact in terms of national security? what's your reading? >> he did make a campaign promise saying he would build a wall and mexico was going to fund it and he feels like he has to deliver on it. unfortunately he hasn't been able to get mexico to fund it and congress isn't in a mood to fund it. >> is congress more likely to pay for that wall than the mexican government? >> look, can i vote for something that's wasteful and inefficient and basically sort of stupid? i could if i get a lot of things in exchange or close to our values such as providing a pathway to citizenship for millions of people. i would car which. but i won't up for an inefficient wall when there's no invasion and violent crime is down. >> some senate republicans are urging president trump to stay on the fight. the "washington post" reports
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two senior gop aides said trump and other top officials have continued to float a national emergency declaration to secure money for a border wall. the president was asked about that. >> reporter: what's been holding you back from a national emergency? >> we'll see what happens on february 15. >> reporter: are you concerned about legal challenges? >> no, i'm not concerned. i'm not concerned. >> reporter: you still don't think there will be a deal but you won't declare it now. don't you think that undermines -- >> excuse me. i didn't say that. i said i'm waiting until february 15. >> what's he up to? is he trashing the idea of a conference agreement between the house and senate so he can go to a declaration of national emergency? >> i think the white house feels they have a national emergency in their back pocket and they can pull it out if things don't happen in congress. that interesting question when they asked are you worried about legal challenges and he says no i'm not. i think he might be saying because if there are legal
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challengesly just blame the court for why i don't have the wall and i can do my bashing of the judiciary system along the w way. >> so blame nancy pelosi. >> right, and if 2020 comes you can say that's because of the courts, activist judges. >> this is a political call, shannon. can you call this -- rush limbaugh and ann coulter, will they accept that as a goode for effort? >> well, the positive thing is it fits in with this this is why you need trump for another four years to remake the judiciary. look how the supreme court has overstepped its bounds. this is why we need to reelect trump so we can get more justices on the court so it could work out. >> the more i fail the more you need he? >> and you could get a second term to build your wall. >> i don't think he'll get a second term. congressman ted lieu thank you sir. shannon pettypiece, evan
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mcmullan, thank you. coming up, president trump drigs in his heels and says it's a wall or nothing. and a big development in the roger stone investigation. the documents have been called voluminous and complex. what does that mean for president trump and the russia information? lots more work to dig through. and remember this? >> months ago we broke ground on a plant that will provide jobs for much more than 13,000 wisconsin workers. i will tell you they would haven't done it here except that i became president so that's good. >> not so true. looks like those 13,000 jobs president trump promised as a candidate won't come to wisconsin any time soon. we're back after this. we're back after this. save up to 10% when you bundle with esurance. including me, esurance spokesperson dennis quaid. he's a pretty good spokesperson. ehhh. so when i say, "drivers who switched from geico to esurance
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>> i've told a lot of people i don't expect much coming out of the committee because we keep hearing we'll give you what you want but we won't give you a wall. if they don't give us a wall, it doesn't work. without a wall, it doesn't work. i don't think they'll make a deal. i see what's happening. they're saying let's do this but not one dime for the wall. that was president trump already predicted efforts by the group of lawmakers tasked with finding a wall compromise will fa fail. there are only 15 days before the government faces another shutdown but the president says if there's no funding for a border wall he won't read the compromise. nancy pelosi said she there will be no money for the wall but left the door open for fencing. >> there won't be wall money in the legislation. is there a placed for enhancing fensy? normandy fencing would work. let them have that discussion.
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>> president trump rejected that possibility. >> no, because if there's no wall it doesn't work. she's just playing games. by the way, if you go do tijuana and you take down that wall you will have so many people coming into our country that nancy pelosi will be begging for a wall. she'll be begging for a wall slechlt say mr. president please, please, give us a wall. >> well, the president's remarks followed a slew of morning tweets about the southern border. he warned about new migrant caravans. said he was sending more troops to the border and he backtracked from his previous language about steel slats and barriers stating a wall is a wall. he added the wall is getting done one way or the other. i'm joined by julian castro, former secretary of housing and urban development under president obama and a 2020 presidential candidate. thank you so much, mr. secret y secretary. imagine you're president not this character. what would you do if this debate
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was going on? what compromise would you offer? >> if i were president we wouldn't be in this mess. but what strikes me about the mess we are in, totally of president trump's reunited nations is that this is essentially the definition of insanity on his part. they say the definition of insan city doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results and he's walking right into that as we approach february 15 so it's clear speaker pelosi and the democrats have offered compromise on border security because democrats do believe on border security, investing in personnel, investing in better technology, securing our ports of entry, we had a great example of why that's important today. out in arizona they had one of the largest busts of fentanyl
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coming through the ports of entry, 254 pounds of that and so if we want to get border security, we can get there. what we won't have is a wall. it's ineffective and that i believe it would ultimately change the notion of america from one of the statue of liberty that welcomes immigrants, that stands for freedom and opportunity to a wall where this country literally blocks itself off from the rest of the world. over time that would change who we are as americans so in addition to being ineffective i believe we should don't it because it's not who we are as a country. according to politico, the president is finalizing plans if he doesn't get money for the wall to have a national emergency. quote, the behind-the-scenes
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maneuvers indicate the administration wants to be poised quickly to declare a national emergency should trump choose to do so. what do you think trump is up to? it looks like he's setting up a blame scenario where i want to negotiate but they wouldn't do it even in this house/senate conference. the courts may stop me but i'll be known as horatio at the gates. i'm going to be the one fighting for the wall against everybody else and that seems to be the role he is auditioning for. >> whatever he's after here. this is a political ploy to keep his base as he recognizes the support across the country is falling. you've covered on your program that he's seen his support drop significant significantly but if declares a national emergency, that will
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set a terrible precedent. there are a lot of things we might consider a national emergency that republicans might not want. i think just a month and a half ago we got a report that essentially says the threat of tliemt chan climate change is a national emergency. so i don't want to get into a back-and-forth based on who's in the white house and declaring something like a national emergency that should only be used in the most urgent of times with real pressing needs. >> let me ask you about a scenario. next tuesday night, state of the union, it's going to happen. president of the united states walks in. mr. speaker, the president of the united states. will with all that pomp and circumstance. sitting behind him will be mike pence looking at him in that choir boy weird way he looks at him and the spouse and he says the only thing stopping us from having a wall and border security that person behind me here. i think it has a high noon
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aspect to it. isn't that why the speaker didn't want to give him that night? i'm thinking about television, he's 40%, he gets a bump of five or seven point, five points maybe, he's back in the game. what would you do to stop him? you don't see it that way? >> i believe what speaker nancy pelosi did made sense. it ended up they delayed it by a week from january 29 to february 5. it's true that as somebody who attended as a cabinet member a couple of state of the union speeches that that is the day where you have all but one significant member of the federal government in terms of leadership there in the same room and so you need security to be at its tightest but at the end of the day the american people can clearly see what the problem is here. poll after poll shows that the american people understand that
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this is about donald trump and his unreasonable demand for a wall so, yeah, i'm sure he's going to do something like that on tuesday. he may get a temporary bump but at the end of the day people realize that the united states does not need a wall. that it was a political ploy for his base and that if a wall were built that it would do more damage to this country than good. >> well said. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is calling up voting rights proposal by house democrats that would make election day a federal holiday a political power grab by the democrats. let's listen to mcconnell. >> just what america needs, another paid holiday and a bunch of government workers being paid to go out and work -- i assume our colleagues on the other side on their campaign. this is the democrat plan to restore democracy? a brand new week of paid vacation for every federal
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employee who'd like to hover around while you cast your ballot? >> what do you make of that scenario he's cooking up. federal employees who are hatched and aren't allowed to do that hovering around while democrats vote. your thoughts? >> you have to give him points for creativity there. but the fact is that it is something else that you have a political party, the republican part y party whose position is, no we don't want people to be able to vote in this country. and the thing is, this isn't the only way they accomplished that, by trying to deny a federal holiday which i think would be good to allow folks who have to work. a lot of folks start a shift early and end late and even if there's early voting it's a challenge to get to the voting booth. but you see voter i.d., you see all sorts of political gymnastics with redistricting. you see what happened in texas
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just this week where they said that there were 95,000 people registered on the texas rolls who they said initially were non-citizens and then they had to backtrack and said oops, we made a mistake, actually they are citizens so it's something else in the 21st century we have a party that bases its success on keeping people away from the franchise and my slope that this this federal holiday will pass. the other thing that i remember and i'm sure you'll remember, chris, is in the early '80s when several of the folks opposed a martin luther king jr. holiday. these are the same people that in some states they celebrate robert e. lee day. it makes no sense. it makes no sense. it's out of step where we're at in the country or temporarily it's? step with donald trump's america. >> i think democratic should mean democratic. the more voters the better. in fact, everybody should vote and the easier to make it the better for our democracy.
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thank you, congressman -- mr. secretary. and presidential candidate. >> i'll tell him you said hi. >> joaquin. thank you. up next, federal investigators are digging through terabits from hard drive seized from trump ally, erstwhile ally roger stone. he's got a lot of stuff in his basement and the mueller team have in the their possession. the self-described dirty trickster and what it will reveal for all of that and what it would mean for the russia investigation. it will take longer but it will be interesting. stay with us. be interesting stay with us ping) ping) welcome to our busy world. where we all want more energy. but with less carbon footprint. that's why, at bp, we're working to make energy that's cleaner and better. we're producing cleaner-burning natural gas. and solar and wind power. and wherever your day takes you... we have advanced fuels for a better commute. and we're developing ultra-fast-charging technology for evs..
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welcome back to "hardball." there was a big development in the case against former trump campaign adviser roger stone. robert mueller's team revealed the evidence seized in the pre-dawn rain was voluminous and complex. it includes multiple hard drives containing several terabytes of information and communications that span several years. the special counsel cited that in evidence a motion to delay stone's trial saying the fbi needs more time to review it. stone, who was indicted on multiple counts of obstruction, making false statements and witness tampering confirmed today the evidence against him is voluminous. let's watch. >> reporter: the special counsel's latest filing it says the evidence against you is
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voluminous and complex. does that scare you at all? >> my attorneys have agreed to that. it is so voluminous and complex that a speedy trial is literally impossible. >> joining us is former u.s. attorney joyce vance and former federal prosecutor paul butler. this material sounds like a lifetime of dirty tricks contained in electronics, they got it all. >> a terabyte is a lot of data. for comparison, audio files versus video files, it's video files you see in discovery when there's this much. led zeppelin 4 goes on for 42 minutes and it's only 97 megabytes. a megabyte, there are a million in a terabyte so prosecutors have a lot of evidence against stone and i'm betting a lot is video or maybe large dumps of da data. paul, who makes the decision of what's in what's out?
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there may be something about personal lives that may be interesting but have no material relevance. >> the lawyers will make arguments about what is admissible and what isn't and the judge decides. in terms of the motion today it's to get more time because the evidence is supposedly so complicated. the main charge against stone is false statements. i think it's an easy case for mueller. the defense to false statement is either i told the truth or what i lied about wasn't material but mueller has a treasure trove of e-mails, text messages, other documents that prove that stone lied about things that are at the heart of the russian investigation. >> let's get to that. so a great trial lawyer like joyce could just in what's in the public record convict roger stone tomorrow. >> joyce, it seems like there's the underlying crime of dealing with the russians and the subterfuge to hide it. in the case of the charges
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against stone, they were lying and obstruction and tampering with witnesses and everything. we got a good picture of that. but isn't the real goal of mr. mueller to prove that the trump people were dealing with the russians? is that going to be in that vat of terabytes? >> i think mueller's goal is to prosecute people for crime he is uncovers and you're right. his overarching goal, the mission roger stone gave him is to answer the question was there collusion between the trump campaign and the russians with the goal of influencing the election? prosecutors don't go straight to that final question. you have to go through each building block in a corruption case. it's frustrating for the public. i've been through in cases where we did where everybody thought we should have been faster and more direct but the reality is these are tough cases to make and you go a step at a time. >> do you think this will delay the whole snoerpgs the fact that
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you've got a treasure trove of roger stone. this guy who said john podesta will have his time in the barrel. do will this delay the trial. >> absolutely. as a prosecutor you get 70 days from the indictment to take the defendant to trial. now all of the time involved in discovery and other pending motions will be excluded. that means 70 days could run on for several months at least. >> there's a reason the special prosecutor always gets his man. every person who he has jurisdiction against has either pled guilty or brought to justice in a court of law because he prepares carefully so i agree. i think motion today is about the next set of indictments, the indictment against roger stone for collusion, for conspiring
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with the russians to deploy the hacked e-mails in a way that would benefit the trump campaign. >> it always looked like that's what happened. in an interview yesterday trump said he thought the way roger stone was arrested was unusual noting when you have 29 people and armored vehicles, roger isn't a person that you would have to worry about from that standpoint and i thought it was add to see it, very sad. in the past, trump has had a very different take on how law enforcement should take suspected criminals. watch him here. >> when you see thesing throughs being thrown into the back of a patti wagon, thrown in rough, i said please don't be too nice. like when you put? the car and you're protecting their head. [ laughter and applause ] like don't hit their head and i've just killed somebody, don't hit their head. i said you can take the hand away, okay? >> that is such street corner bs. you know who he's playing to
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there. >> it's bad enough the president said it but for those law enforcement officers to sit there and laugh. >> some did, some were a little rejecting. it was embarrassing to have a president say beat up the kid. >> so in that light how should we think about this raid of roger stone? it was legal and i think over the top. 29 law enforcement agents with long guns, 12 police cars, 6:00 a.m. . the reason i'm not shedding crocodile tears over roger stone is because police treat poor black folks like this all the time. roger stone in other ways is getting the same kind of justice that other rich white dudes get. even though he's charged for witness intimidation he didn't have to pay a penny in bail. he walked out of jail on his own recognizance. if he were a black man he'd be locked up to trial. >> they already figured out
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donald trump was elected on the promise he would bring his self-described business prowess to the white house. he also vowed to bring thousands of manufacturing jobs back into the country. >> i built an unbelievable business, a great, great business, some of the greatest assets in the world. companies are not going to leave the united states anymore without consequences. not going to happen. don't forget, i've been in business, i've made a lot of
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money which i'm going to do for the country now. i've been focused on jobs and money and deals and that's what i do. that's what the country needs. i've always loved business. i've always been good at building things and i've always been very successf fuful at mak money people are sick and tired of being ripped off with our jobs leaving our states, with our jobs leaving our country the money. they get the money, they get the jobs, we get nothing. >> as president he's proclaimed mission accomplished. >> since my election, ford, fiat chrysler general motors, sprints, softbank, lockheed, intel, walmart and many others have announced they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the united states and will create tens of thousands of new american jobs. >> but much like his business past, all that he says glitters is not gold. shortly after passing a sweeping tax cut last year that slashed
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corporate tax rates, a number of companies that trump proudly touted as examples 60 his success began laying off thousands of workers. in may, harley-davidson which was welcomed to the white house announced it was closing its kansas city plant and laying off 800 workers. in june, general motors announced it would shut down plants in maryland, ohio and michigan and slash 14,000 jobs. in july carrier, which got a $7 million tax break from the trump administration announced it was cutting more than 500 jobs in indiana. but those aren't the only examples of trump's broken promises. the latest might be the most embarrassing yet for trump. stay with us. stay with us
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(burke) parking splat. and we covered it. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪ yesterday it was announced that a taiwan-based company, foxx con, was rethinking its plan to bring 13,000 new jobs to wisconsin. back in july of 2017, president trump and the former republican governor of that state scott walker announced with much fanfare the plan far $10 billion plant that would be a feather in the president's cap. >> we are bringing back new companies like you've never seen including foxconn in wisconsin. many companies are coming. moments ago we broke ground on a plant that will provide jobs for much more than 13,000 wisconsin
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worke workers. is i will tell you they wouldn't have done it except that i became president so that's good. we just left wisconsin and what foxconn is building up in wisconsin is literally -- and i said it -- the eighth wonder of the world. 15,000 jobs. it will cost $15 billion. it's incredible. you have to see it. in return for foxconn's promise to build in wisconsin, state and local governments promised to give the company $4 billion in public subsidies. earlier today during a manufacturing event at the white house the president, who never misses an opportunity to tout his role in the foxconn deal, made no mention of the news. i'm joined by molly beck a reporter of the mill waukee journal sentiment and also david beck, author of it's even worse than you think. is this whole thing by foxconn a scam? are they just dead beats?
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>> we're not sure what fox con's plans are at the moment. about a year and a half ago they and former governor scott bring wisconsin in exchange for a $10 billion plant in wisconsin, and that would be foxconn's first u.s.-based plant. and it was a very big deal, as you noted before. and in recent days, we've seen a couple of news reports that have indicated that foxconn is considering changing its plans. they're considering not having the manufacturing focus to it that they had once promoted. and that's what this -- the incentive package that taxpayers are backing, that's what it was billed to be was a manufacturing project. but now they're talking about making it mostly engineers and researchers. foxconn is still saying that they are planning to bring
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13,000 jobs to wisconsin, but it's not clear exactly what they're going to be doing in wisconsin. >> well, if it's not a manufacturing plant and it doesn't involve hiring factory workers, how do you get to 13,000? you are going to have 13,000 engineers sitting around thinking. >> and that's the big question right now, how they would find that many people to work there because there is a worker shortage in wisconsin right now. >> is this emblematic of the trumped-up notions that he's brining the manufacturing jobs back to the midwest? >> you promise the sun, moon and stars and you put a couple of pebbles in their shoes
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the plan was them being free to pollute lake michigan and remember the river caught fire they wanted air pollution incentives and the fact they were going to have 13,000 jobs building flat panel jobs, this is a pretty inefficient company. this was a con job from the >> they all fit the pattern of dusters, didn't happen? >> well, companies have been doing what's in theraown interest.ombe the airier plant, donald said he sa saved all these jobs. you've had the local steel president on your show l and the other companies are making it scissions in the best interest of the shareholders and the long-term needs of the company and all donald is doing is claiming credit for things that in many cases were already in the works. he claimed credit for a huge
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exxon mobile investment. there were other plans he claims cred p cant for that were announced before the election in 2016. >> there's a whole question about whetherre this kind of public policy works.et can you get a company to work against its economic interest with a we'll layoff of pollution standards. it does that change the position oof a big manufacturing plant? >> what we're hearing is the environment for companies like foxconn, as your watchers might know, that they are a big apple manufacturer and there are sluggish sales for apple right now and so what year hearing is that is contributing to their decision to rethink what they're going to to in wisconsin. >> i'm sure the company didn't get where it got by making dumb
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back to "hardball." today would be jackie robinson's 100th birthday. this is a monumental anniversary. the name was not just an all-time great but the first african-american to play in the big leagues. anyone who has any brains or anything important knows robinson was up against things libe that in the year just after world war ii. they also know the courage and discipline it took for this young man to represent not just himself but community and country as great as he could. the abuse he took was public and
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unashamed. rival ball players didn't mind showing their objection to sharing the diamond from him. the taunting from the phillies dugout was notorious. i wasn't old enough to see this but i saw the legacy. for years african-american fans made a point of sitting on the third basis side, rooting for the brooklyn dodgers with robinson and they waited a decade to open their line up. a committed republican, he rooted for richard nixon in 1960 and voted against him -- voted for him against john kennedy. by 1968 he changed his vote to the democrat, hubert humphrey. the reezcon be found in history. republican party that included a huge moderate electorate in the north, mid west and west was now gone south.
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richard nibsen had gone with the southern strategy and left republicans like jackie robinson betrayed. party that won african-american vote in 1962 is luck a to get single digits and that's "hardball" for now. "all in" with criss rr hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> right now the investigation is -- you know, i think close to being completed. >> new filings from robert mueller on the evidence of roger stone suggestests the probe is not slowing down. >> it's so voluminous and complex that a speedy trial is impossible. >> phone calls by donald trump jr. as he was arranging his meetings with russians. and a worker at a trump golf course will be a speaker at the state of the union. plus live from
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