with us. the president also does damage control, blaming the rift on the media. and as a new pentagon report says, isis could regain its territory in syria within six to 12 months. at 7 a.m. we expect another high-profile democrat to officially enter the 2020 presidential race. we'll bring you that breaking political news when it happens. and at 8:30 a.m., we will get the monthly jobs report, which could have an impact due to the record 35-day government shutdown. we'll talk about that. we'll get reports from the department of labor and the new york stock exchange.

and we expect mike pompeo to announce the u.s. will withdraw from a key nuclear arms treaty with russia. some experts worry abandoning the agreement could lead it a new arms race. we'll go live to the state department. a lot. but we begin with president trump labelling the bipartisan government funding and border security negotiations as a waste of time. yesterday the president told reporters that he would declare a national state of emergency if there's no funding for his border wall. here is where the house speaker stand and where he stands exactly two weeks before the funding deadline. >> there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation. there's a place for enhanced fencing, normandy fencing would work. let them have that discussion. >> could i have done it differently? no, not really. i think by having the shutdown,

we've set the table for where we are now. if i didn't do the shutdown, people wouldn't know, they wouldn't understand the subject. >> reporter: are you going to declare a national emergency if there's no money for the wall? >> i would do at that. >> nancy pelosi said there's not going to be a wall in this deal but she did say she'd be open to other kinds of physical barriers. would you accept that? >> no, because if there's no wall, it doesn't work. she's playing games. if you go to tijuana and you take down that wall, you will have so many people coming into that country that nancy pelosi will be begging for a wall. sheet she'll be begging for a wall. she'll say, mr. president, please, please give us a wall. >> i think nancy pelosi is hurting our country very badly by doing what she's doing. and ultimately i think i've set the table very nicely. i think people understand. they understand, peter. they didn't know what was going

on at the southern border. now they know. they had no idea the amount of crime, the amount of drugs, the amount of human trafficking, which can be stopped. i set the table, i've set the stage for doing what i'm going to do. i'm going to wait till the 15th. i think it's a waste of time. >> he keeps saying he set the table. he keeps saying he set this up perfectly. he doesn't realize politically he set the table and he's what's for dinner. like he's cooked himself, he's cooked the republican party, their numbers collapsed, nobody believes him anymore. he's completely -- this has been a disaster for the past three weeks and here we go part two of it. and if you are a republican on capitol hill, you've got to be sitting there thinking, my god, how low is he going to drag this party?

>> joe, i talked to some republicans on capitol hill yesterday, they are furious that the president has taken this line. they've come on camera and said again shutdowns are bad, we do not want another shutdown, please, mr. president, stay on the sideline, we can work with speaker pelosi. speaker pelosi's quote, there is not going to be any wall funding in the bill. she said if you want to do a wall, go ahead, but there's not going to be any wall money. pr president trump tweeting all day yesterday -- >> he's goes back and forth. if you're a rab epublican on capitol hill, you have to be furious. he said maybe it's a wall, maybe it's slats, now it's a wall.

maybe who likes a wall rhymes with fall. again, the group of pop who end up losing the end are the republicans. >> how about the new rationale for the shutdown, we heard a few times yesterday, it was an educational exercise. we shut down the government and kept paychecks from federal employees because i wanted to educate people about the problems at the border, now they understand it and they'll be on my side. p polls show the opposite. he tweeted 13 times yesterday before noon. he ywrote, "a wall a is wall," warned of large caravans. he tweeted three separate caravans marching toward our border to which democrat swalwell responded "these

caravans, do you see them in the office with you now?" >> you listen to him this morning and it's so easy to normalize this insanity. if we stepped back and this was not president trump and this was somebody else, in one fell swoop said hi to educate people about this problem so that's why i had to do this when we know statistically it's the opposite, it's an all-time low for immigration and at the same time he said nancy pelosi is going to beg for this wall. he complete lily contradicts hi intelligence heads or north korea and isis and the senate rebuked him on afghanistan and syria. he's in an alternate reality. he's insane. we laugh about it because it is so unsettling, but if we were

objective from this, if we had not lived through 25 months of it, you would say and i'm not overstating this, he's out of his mind. he's literally out of his mind. and it's unhinged. it's absurd. >> so for now -- >> it really is. >> you, like donnie, like mika, like myself, we've all known donald trump for a long time. you've probably known him longer than most of us. do you recognize the guy -- even if there were things before you found abhorrent, do you recognize the guy sitting there, rambling, talking in circles? he just got handed the worst political defeat any republican president's been handed since watergate and then he does this shutdown which destroys his poll numbers even more and here he is just going in this bizarre loop.

>> no, he's actually deteriorated. because we always knew he was a salesman and he would, as michael bloomberg said played a con man most of his career, but now you have got to where he's bizarre. to actually when the republicans are trying to blame the democrats for the shutdown, he snatches ownership back yesterday by saying, no, i did it so we could teach the american public the issue. so the whole argument that this was the democrats being inflexible, caused the shutdown, he just ripped up in shreds, which he would have read better than that 20 years ago. but the second part is the insensitivity. when he would meet with us, he would fain like he cared or had some kind of sensitivity. to say "i reset the table," when he literally took food off of federal workers' table is really

adding insult to injury here. i can't believe he'd even discuss a table when you're talking about federal workers that were literally out pawning their valuables so they could put food on the table. this is not even a con man's kind of way of operating. this is a man that has lost it. >> everything he does, john, is self-destructi self-destructive. he keeps doing thanksgiving tind up hurting himself, hurting the republican party. you know what, before our approval rating goes down to 14%, maybe we should go over and have an intervention. we did actually see that on the senate floor yesterday. i guess that was a start speaking out against his

theories in afghanistan. >> what he's setting the table for is the declaration of the information emergency that will allow him to shift money over to at least make a cosmetic show of building the wall. it is possible that nancy pelosi is overplaying her hand, which is to say in december she agreed, they all agreed to a $5.7 outlay for the wall. he shuts the government down because he decides it's not enough, he loses the shutdown and now she is playing michael corl corl corleone, here's my offer, nothing. that's an interesting political strategy. i'm not sure the public thinks that the wall is insane, it may it's not valuable but she is in

fact fact not negotiating with him on the wall. she is saying zero, zilch, nothing. i don't think that necessarily manse she's going to lose this again, but it does allow him to make the claim that democrats are not serious about border security so i have to declare the national emergency. >> john, nobody is saying that any wall is insane. >> she did say the walls are immoral, right? she handed him that. that was an unforced error. >> donald trump's view of a huge, beautiful wall from sea to shining sea is not only immoral, it's stupid. if you talk to anybody on the border, they will tell you it's stupidinfectieffectivineffectiv. poor donald trump is just trying

to find somebody who would negotiate with him in good faith. they tried to negotiate with him a year ago, dianne feinstein, you guys figure this out. they came up with a bill that included a wall and daca. then they said you say 1.7, let's go 2.5 because he had authority to do that. then the president takes that back. at some point you go you know what, fool me once, shame on you. fool me twice, as george w. bush would say, don't get fooled again. enough's enough. >> that's where i think mitch mcconnell did something different with the syria and afghanistan resolution. if you think that is happening in isolation, that is foolish. trump screwed mcconnell in december, terribly, right?

>> just like he screwed the democrats on immigration reform and he's done it repeatedly. why do you deal with that guy? you go i'm not dealing with you, donald trump, i'll tell you what, i'll talk to mitch mcconnell, you stay out of the way because you've lied to me repeatedly. you keep moving the goalpost. i'm not wasting my time with you. >> yeah, but he's the president of the united states. that's the problem. you can't just say i'm not dealing with you. he has to sign legislation. >> i didn't is why now, elise, it is between mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi. and mitch mcconnell knows that and john thune knows that and republicans in the senate know that because donald trump has reacted irrationally for so long. >> my response to what john was talking with you can argue

politically that donald trump looks like he's trying to negotiate whereas the democrats aren't, you're saying that can be trump's argument now, but what he's laying the groundwork to to declare a a state of emergency because of this dire threat on the bored arder, firs allowing three weeks and then blaming it on politics, while he might actually have this expansive authority of the executive, how much has he weakened his legal position, look he always does, simply by opening his mouth. >> but, mika, here again, again, here's the day trader. and he's got lindsey graham -- poor lindsey graham. he was wandering around in circles just going what's my name? who am i? >> why is he doing it? >> hello, where am i? you have the chairman of the

senate judiciary committee that is encouraging donald trump to unconstitutionally seize power from the legislative branch, power that he does not have. so here, mika, again is donald trump the day trader, donald trump the guy that end up embarrassing mitch mcconnell, donald trump, the guy that ends up embarrassing john thune, donald trump, who embarrasses the senate, and corey gardner, who might actually like to win in 2020. he's going to declare the emergency, the supreme court will overturn it as unconstitutional. you take everything that donald trump has said, you take everything that donald trump has done, you take the outlays of money over the last two years, you take when the republicans had control of congress, you take the statistics of the border crossings over the past 15 years, you take the drugs

flowing into the united states, coming through 90% through legal ports of entry, the supreme court will look at this and laugh and probably overturn it 8-1, 9-0 and guess what? then he and lindsey graham look like people who were trying to seize illicit control for the executive branch by donald trump. it's all a losing end game. >> and then there's this. when you think about the threat assessment hearing where the intel chiefs put out their -- got information on what are the biggest threats facing this nation, the trump administration is planning another surge in the number of u.s. troops, wait for it, wait for it, stationed along the southern border with mexico, something that was not mentioned at all during that hearing. that's according to the house

armed services committee chairman adam smith, who revealed the uptick in a letter to acting defense secretary patrick asian hapat patrick shanahan. more than 3,500 additional troops will be heading to the border starting in the middle of this month to build and reinforce about 160 miles of barbed or razor wire. we've also learned that the u.s. border patrol agents made the largest fentanyl drug bust in history this weekend. it happened at an arizona port of entry. officers found nearly 650 pounds of illegal drugs inside a tractor trailer being driven into the u.s. by a mexican national. >> willie, two points. we'll handle the second story first, good for them, great job.

what does this prove? they all say they need more funding at legal ports of entry. they don't need a gold wall with trump brand across the top of it. they need more money at these legal ports of entry to stop where the real drugs come into the united states that kill americans. and then going back again to the story about sending troops to the border. more troops are going to be in the border than in syria. >> that's nuts. >> an issue that every one of our intel chiefs and now the pentagon is saying could lead to isis resurging and once again rebuilding their caliphate in syria within the next six months. >> first of all, that seizureate the border was huge. that would have killed a lot of people. it did come through a port of entry. that's where all the research and analysis shows 90% of those

drugs are coming in, not through random places along the border. but you put those two stories side by side, 3,500 more troops down to the mexico border, the president wants the 2,000 troops we have in syria out of there. there's something wrong with that when our threat assessment talks explicitly that syria could be the place where isis reconstitutes itself and says nothing about along the border. >> still ahead, we're going to get a live report from the pentagon that says isis could regain syria within a year. >> and more on the interview where he claims the presidency is one of the greatest losers of all times. first here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> reporter: temperatures have rebounded dramatically in the midwest but it's still cold in areas of the northeast. we still have wind chill

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format that you're used to, a ceo who in november had the worst shellacking in the history -- republicans had the worst shellacking ever. if you just look at vote total in the history of america for any midterm election, they lost by more than any other party ever, they lost more seats than at any time since watergate. then this ceo decides he's going to double down on that strategy. let's remember, the strategy -- remember the strategy going into that election was the fake caravans, the fake border crisis, the fake need to send troops done to the border, right? it failed historically. this is like from coca-cola to new coke, right? >> that's exactly what i was going to say. >> except now we're moving from new coke. it would be as if the board of directors in atlanta, georgia for coca-cola said, and forgive me for saying it this morning,

hey, you know what, new coke didn't work so we're going to add cat urine to it. i mean -- >> come on. joe -- joe! >> no. it's that bad for republicans. until now he's going to double down and, no -- >> willie -- >> mika, help. >> he's going to talk about cat urine this morning. >> no, get this. it's the worst it's ever been in history, the worst law since watergate, he's doubling down on the strategy and now his answer is and this is where our cat part comes in, he's going to -- >> oh, my god. >> no, no, he's going to continue but now he's going to violate the united states constitution, right, and he's going to have the supreme court most likely overturn his decision unanimously. this is a board of directors

that -- i mean, they got to step in to save themselves. now you go ahead. i've given you enough to work with. if you can't work with that, i can't help you. donnie, go. >> you stole my new coke analo y analogy. i'm going to get the new coke with special cat urine in a minute. i've already got the ad in my head. here's my pitch. i know the wall, i know the new coke didn't work this time, but i want to bring in fluffy, okay. now fluffy, when you mix fluffy and fluffy's urine with coke, that's going to work, guys, trust me. and that is about where we are. it would be like bringing back the wall now and say not only are we going to have the wall, we're going to embroider the wall. that's going to make the difference here. i go back and it seems like a thin response and a cheap shot

and you've got nothing else to say, he's insane. we sit here as foof peopive peo there, there are two smart people there, two smart people there and you try to explain it -- >> i bring up an important point. you've known him for several decades, mika and i have known him for a decade, reverend al has known him for several decades, and he says you always knew he was a con man. these decisions that he's making and he's made i would suggest over the past two years are self-destructive. politically it is the equivalent of self-harm. >> that's why i say, joe, he's lost it. because where is the end game for donald trump? you know, we are used to him

manipulating, maneuvering for his own self-interest, but when i say he's lost it, i don't mean they should bring the white jackets in yet, even though i do wonder whether he really sees caravans in the middle of the night in the residence at the white house, but i am saying there's no end game there for him because he's not winning and he's deluding himself that he's winning politically while people are suffering. so even if you excuse his insensitivity to the suffering of people, which no president of the united states should do, i don't even seep where where he he's helping to build the brand or the business or whatever he is seeking for donald trump. that's where i'm saying he's lost it. i mean, when you're sitting around trying to put perfume on urine, there's something that you are missing. >> god. >> i think we started a theme. >> the brand he's killing is the

republican party. forget self-destruction. where this nets out, he's destroying the party period. >> i just want to point out before we move on, joe, as you were in your feline analogy, off camera, the right reverend al sharpton whispered a prayer for you. >> i did. >> joe and i pray together often, you just don't know it. >> they do. >> joe, you said he had a terrible november, right, 62 million votes cast for democrats, which means the democrats only need 4, 5, 6 million more votes to win in 2020, which means here's the rationa rationale. he had one play book. no one thought he could win in 2016 and he won. all he has to go on from now to 2020 is if i gin up the base, if i stir up conservative voters

and whites who haven't graduated from high school, maybe i can draw an inside straight and win again. this is not his field. he did something unprecedented and what goes in his head when things are bad is he says i did this, no one thought i could, i'm just going to keep doing it and maybe it will work again because i don't know what else to do. >> so, john, this is actually -- i've said it time and again, the greatest danger for any president entering the white house on that first day, not just in president but every president, i said it of barack obama actually, you could say it of jimmy carter, when all you hear for two years, three years, five years is that you can never be elected president of the united states, jimmy carter, you can't be elected president of the united states, you're a peanut farmer. barack obama, you're middle name's hussein, you can never be elected. donald trump, you're an idiot, you're a reality testimony v

ho -- tv host and then you walk through those gates and you were right and the rest of the world was wrong, then you are right, john, there are times often where you go back and you spend the next several years thinking i'm the smartest guy in this room. i'm the president, they're not, all these smart guys, all these smart women told me for five years i had no chance to ever be elected president of the united states. where are they? they're outside the gates, i'm inside the gates. so i do think that that may be an explanation to some degree but you look at bill clinton, who nobody said bill clinton could win, he got flashed in '94. what did he do? he immediately responded and figured out how to keep republicans back on their heels for the next several years. >> that is possibly the most maybe likely scenario. there's also you didn't want to

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now to that new pentagon report that details the consequences of president trump's planned withdrawal of u.s. troops from syria. according to two u.s. officials familiar with the draft of that report, without continued military pressure, isis could regain its territory in syria within six to 12 months. in addition, isis is intend on reconstituting a fiscphysica physical caliphate. let's bring in courtney kube. it's good to see you. this is why secretary mattis resigned effectively, he didn't say is explicitly, but that was the word inside, he could not stand by and watch the withdrawal from syria. now with this new report, what are the odds that president trump changes his mind? >> very low, if at all. i think right now what they're looking at for the syria withdrawal is it's going to be over the course of the next few

months. if everything continues at pace, all the troops will be out by the spring or so. what's important about this report, it's not surprising that isis would try to reconstitute. they started out as a guerrilla organization, they've moved back into that place, we heard that in the worldwide threat assessment this week, defense officials have been warning about that for some time that they'll likely go underground and try to resurge. what's particularly interesting here is this report says "without continued pressure." that would be pressure from the u.s. military, from coalition, from syrian democratic forces. without that pressure, there are areas that are ungoverned in syria and in iraq where the syrian and iraqi government just won't be able to handle an isis resurgence. they won't have the resources or really the interest in stopping them from retaking ground there.

and essentially building back some sort of a caliphate. not on the level that we saw in mosul and raqqa in the early days when they were able to overtake these large towns but being able to regain territory in and of itself, especially if they can do it within a matter of month zpls. >> what are you hearing from plan beners about being able to rebuild in iraq? >> nothing specific. one thing that we've seen is i like to call them the movers, the additional u.s. troops have moved into syria to start taking out equipment that will ultimately lead to u.s. troops leaving as well. so the number of u.s. troops in syria is actually up to 3,000, which is the highest number we've seen or known about, they haven't always been transparent

about the total force there but that's the highest we've seen since they went into syria several years ago. thing about question now is will the u.s. continue an air presence there after troops are gone on the ground. that's been a huge part of this campaign. the syrian democratic forces, which is a largely kurdish fighting force on the ground, they're the ones who are really pushing, slogging out the miles they're in syria, they are reliant on a u.s. air presence to help them, you know, break way, to help them forge a path against isis, especially in these last few miles. isis is really down to this tiny little triangle in the middle euphrates river valley of land they're holding, but they're really reliant on u.s. air power. if there's no u.s. presence on the ground there, it really opens up the u.s. to a lot of liability to conduct air strikes if they're relying on a partner

force on the ground to call them in. >> just in the last three days, the president has heard that the isis is a threat from the heads of the intel agencies, now from this pentagon report and from a vote in the senate 68-23 that says isis remains a threat in syria and afghanistan and will if we withdraw our troops from there. it's always good talking to you. joining us now, national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan. you're looking at tuesday's state of the union address. what's the president going to focus on when he finally gets up there after a delay? >> president trump, his advisers have been telling people his speech will be uplifting. that's in the eye of the beholder. i don't know if that will be carnage january '17. i expect he'll pick a big fight over border security because that's been the issue he's privately most animated and he's

publicly projecting that. trump has been in his phone calls in the morning and nighttime with advisers and friends, he's been asking how they think the government shut double play is playing for him politically and asking what he should do about wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan. of course those are three sthats delivered in the presidency in 2016 but they turned on him in 2018. so i wouldn't be surprised if they're calibrating messages to try and win back those voters that they lost. >> i got to ask you about another note you guys are looking at. the concerns before 2020, as he gets on the phone and taubes to people outside the white house. they're saying joe biden poses the biggest threat to his presidency. >> trump's political advisers and others that he seeks political advice from have long thought joe biden would be the most challenging because they see biden as the candidate that is most likely to take from

trump that he won in 2016. whenever i read something that trump is worried about a certain candidate, it doesn't quite ring true to my own reporting bus trump privately has the same bluster that he does publicly. in any of my reporter, people have neff said expressed concern or an awareness that he has a vulnerability. it may have happened but just not in high reporting. >> it looks like the president is going to get anothering about name democratic challenger in the 2020 race. we'll tell you about that coming up. still ahead, did rod rosenstein tell donald trump's attorneys that the president is not a target in the mueller probe? the president's latest claims about the russia investigation when "morning joe" comes right back. "morning joe" comes right back

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for the presidency of the united states. my candidacy stands for truth. i'm sure you have been disappointed as i have been by the retreat from truth, the sudden change of policy positions on the part of even more courageous candidates, they feel the need to curry favor from special interest groups that continue to impoverish our lives and distort our policies, but do i not. i am responsible only to myself and to the people. >> that was shirley chisholm talking about her 1972 historic presidential campaign. she ended up taking 152 delegates to the democratic convention. she served in the house from 1969 to 1983 where she was a fierce advocate for women, who she continues to inspire with lawmakers like kamala harris and

alexandria ocasio-cortez paying trip utili tribute to her. new york will erect a statue in her honor near where she grew up in brooklyn, new york. reverend al, shirley was the person you chose to speak about on this first day of black history month. tell us why? >> i think shirley chisholm embodies a lot of what we're seeing on the political landscape today. she was the first african-american woman to run for president, the first african-american woman elected in the congress. i was honored -- i was 17 years old and i was one of the youth organizers for a presidential campaign. what people don't understand, she not only fought against the anti-woman, sexe eses esest --

mo mo monogomist views. she deserves a place in history because she taught women, she taught black, she taught the nation that you do not bow or cowher to people that look down on you because of your sex or because of your race. shirley told us to know our value, even before mika did. mika wrote it but shirley said it. >> that's so amazing. let's talk about another woman last week who was inspired by shirley chisholm and her launch

for the presidency, kamala harris, right? >> i think that i could only think that shirley, as well as i got to know miss c is what we would call her because i was a kid, was looking down proud and look at where kamala harris having 20,000 people at her announcement of all races, she has picked up that mantle and going forward. where it goes and how far it goes i don't know. but it is only a confirmation of that seed that shirley planted in 1972 is still growing and no one is laughing, no one is shunning her. shirley chisholm took the hits like jackie robinson, whose 100th birthday was yesterday.

she was the jackie robinson of black women and we're going to see if kamala harris is willie mays. >> john podhoretz. >> i remember her. there were a lot of interesting urban politicians in the 70s who did not conform to standard issue labels and positions and shirley was one of these people who transcended, while she was very much a representative of both her gender and her race, she was a formidable person in her own right, somebody without needing them. she was smart, she was incredibly focused when she made these appearances that i saw on tv in new york, and there were

urban city politicians all over the country in the 70s who had this quality. you just didn't put them in a box and say, well, she's for this group and he's for that group. they were more interesting than that. and something that our politics lacks now. and people seem much more homogenized now than this were. >> you brought of kamala harris. we may hear from another big candidate sometime today, cory booker, elizabeth warren, we have all these people and they're all calling you before they get into the race and asking for your advice. what are you telling them about running against donald trump? >> i think what they have to do is -- the first thing i ask all of them is why do you want to be president? don't go by your political strategy, go by your vision. you have to give america a

vision, which is the opposite of what trump is doing. don't try to outtrump trump. give as you vision, give us something to drive toward to bring us out of this kind of atmosphere that we're in now where people are going day by day wondering what the country stands for and whether we're going to survive it. that's the advice i give them. joe biden spoke at our king breakfast last week, i think he may run. but i think whoever gives the country a vision because this president has not been able to do it. you have a president that at noon represents one thing, at 6:00 he represents the opposite. the bible says the people perish without a vision. you can't just be anti-trump. >> doesn't tell me what you're against, tell me what you're for and how i can get there.

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a snowy washington, d.c. this morning. welcome back to "morning joe." it is friday, february 1st. along with joe, willie and me we have donny deutsch, former aide to the george w. bush white house, elise jordan and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton, political write are fr for "the york times," nick confessore and eugene robinson is with us as well. senator cory booker of new jersey is entering the growing 2020 primary candidate field. >> i believe we can build a

country where no one is forgotten, no one is left behind, where parents can tut food on the table with their good paying jobs with good benefits, where our criminal justice system keeps us safe instead of shuffling more children into cages and coffins, where we see the faces of our leaders on television and feel pride, not shame. it is not a matter of can we, it's a matter of do we have the collective will, the american will. i believe we do. together we will channel our common pain back into our common purpose. together, america, we will rise. i'm cory booker and i'm running for president of the united states of america. >> so -- >> he's in, fully in. no exploratory committee, no dipping your toe in, he's fully

in, joe. >> reverend al, he's called you and asked us your thoughts. why don't you give the rest of us your thoughts about what we should be looking for as cory booker becomes the 473rd person to decide that they're going to seek the democratic nomination for president in 2020, a very valuable, valuable nomination because i think most would suggest right now that whoever wins that wins the presidency. >> i think that he should not be underestimated. corey i've known a while. corey fought his way into being a rhodes scholar, went to oxford where no one thought he could do that given his background. he came and when he returned to the states, he went and lived in newark, lived in the projects, ran for the city council, won. ran for mayor against the

established order, who beat him. he came back again and beat the opponents, became mayor and kept living in the projects still to this day. so he has a story to tell of how he fought from the bottom and kept going. he knows the people on the ground. i think he's going to be a very interesting candidate. he's very bright, he's very charismatic, he's hard working. i think it's going to be a real battle and i think that is what the democratic party is going to need. >> gene robinson, for most of your professional career and life, most of my professional career and life, most of al sharpton's career and life, running for president was a white man's game. it was a big news story, a woman thinking of running for president, a black man is talking about running for

president but of course he could never win. well, we start 2020 with elizabeth warren, with kamala harris, with cory booker and actually it seems pretty darn normal. you look at of course kyrsten gillibrand, this is quite a change in landscape for america and for american politics. >> it sure is. you know, all presidents so far except barack obama have been white men. white men are definitely in the minority of the democratic candidates who have announced so far, all 473 of them. it will be 474 soon. you know, somebody else will jump in. you know, it's a reflection of the changing country, the changing democratic party and the question for cory booker is

what lane is he going to be in. we have an increasingly crowded progressive lane in the democratic field so far. there are others who might jump in, like joe biden, who would occupy a different lane. it's going to be a fascinating and -- we're going to have to staff up just to cover it, just to keep track of the democrat being candidates. it's going to be fascinating. let them all fight it out. i think it's good for the party. it will be a good definitional moment for the democratic party as it looks towards, and you're right, what ought to be a victory. >> i think most democrats agree with what gene robinson said at the end, it's time to have a fight for the nomination, let's get out there, put our ideas out there and see who has worked

best, where you effectively had a coronation of hillary clinton. yes, it's good to have all these people in, but if you're cory booker, if you're kamala harris, if you're elizabeth warren, how do you separate yourself? how do you make yourself different from the others? >> i think the answer is that you have to be authentic. part of what people are looking for is authenticity. so you can't choose a lane, you have to be what lane you already have been in, otherwise they're going to go in your background and say that's not who you really are. thi i think that people who are running are going to be defined by who they've been, not by how they cast they sefs now. i talk to kids today, back in the day donnie and i can tell

things, they can google while you're talking to them and say that's not what you said 20 years ago. he has to go same lane. and that's the person who can win as they are. >> when i look at corey's tape, to me that was just 101. that's an issue that that's apple pie, that's for the people. it's about a vision. donald trump had a very clear vision. he's been very consistent, it's make america white again, we know the hate he plays on. i don't think it's going to be about vision. i think it's going to be about strength and comfort food. the personal brand -- people don't vote on issues. i think right now you're going to need the strength. in is what i love about biden. you're going to need the strength but you're also going to need comfort.

biden is both of them. there's one other person that could blow the whole field up, i don't know if she's ever interested, michelle obama. >> she is not interested. >> other than her, the strength and comfort is joe biden. joe biden and kamala harris as vice president, wow. >> that could be a great ticket. i don't think michelle obama is interested. i think any combination would be interesting. i agree with you on strength but i still want vision, even if i have a strong person, i want to know where they're going to bring me. >> i was struck how vague that announcement was. it's his first run obviously. this is a politician with a very fascinating personal story, not at all reflected in any way in that video. trump's announcement for president in june 2015, hate it or love it, had a lot more policy content than that announcement. you knew exactly what donald

trump was going to run on and now he governed on it. i can't really tell from his video what his differentiation is, what he's going to run on. >> i'm sorry, cory booker is going to meet with reporters so we may here more. that's the first blush introduce. >> willie, great point. i didn't have a problem with the video. i thought it was nice and we only showed you a shorter version of it so you guys can go online and take a look at the long version. i think the bigger issue is watching him come face to face with reporters and answering questions as to what his message would be. elise, i have -- my gut is that this is another great add into a long list of really interesting candidates who have story that hopefully with cory as well match their message, which we didn't have last time or we didn't have as many and we have a coronation last time and our

candidate, i speak for the democrats, i know you don't, did not have a message. i'm looking at all those folks and i see story and message to most every face we just put up. >> and you're going to have an election, a primary process where the grass roots voters are going to decide who prevails. that, indeed, as you noted was the problem last go-round. also i think that competency is going to be a very important trait that voters are judging in this election, especially in the aftermath of the longest government shutdown in american history. donald trump really managed to have a lot of success claiming that he was competent but his administration has shown anything but and that they are unable to execute the very basics in running the government and running a foreign policy quite frankly. so i think that looking at the track record of leadership and of what these various candidates

have actually been able to do and how they have effected change is going to be very importa important. >> i think foreign policy, what their vision is, what their track records and abilities are. i don't even think we can believe some of -- we'll need someone in there who knows what he or she is doing. >> to moo, and i pray to god, ref rent al, to the people who are going to be deciding who is the next president of the united states, competency matters. yes, i, like you, i want the vision. because without vision, the people are lost. i don't want a fancy slogan, i don't want a guy or a woman who thinks one thing in the morning and then says something else the

next day, but we have -- for some time we've been electing leaders that really didn't know how washington, d.c. worked. that really didn't know about the give and take, that weren't up to the give and take, that didn't understand what -- well, let's just say a what bill clinton and what l.b.j. and what ronald reagan understood, that sometimes you had to roll up your sleeves, you have had to get dirty and you had to talk to people who weren't on your side. you had to learn how to count the votes. and so vision is so important but i just wanted to follow up and have you underline it because i know you know it as well as anybody. we need somebody that knows how to make washington, d.c. work again. >> no doubt about it. the vision is the first step, but if you cannot execute the vision and manage the government while you are moving toward that, you will not achieve the

bible says that prayer without works is -- they need someone that has the hope and the vision but the managerial skills that you know how to make washington, don't just make me feel good, maybe me do good, be good and be better. we have not seen that in this administration. we don't need a continuation of that, having a leftist or progressive version of incompetence is not progress. >> yeah, it doesn't work. and nick con physicalor, you bring up a really good point, too, generalities are aren't going to work this year.

you have to have a vision, you need to tell people where you're going to go. i think it's really interesting, there's almost like a sliding scale if you look at the top four or five people in the race right now. if you look at the senators who are in the race right now, you've got elizabeth warren, we know what she believes in, we where she stands, she's lived her life fighting that fight for a long time. kamala harris with her announcement, she made it very clear, who she there are obviously going to be battles that it was and also, let's move to cory booker and gillibrand. can you take that down. we've seen it enough. thank you. on cory booker, we're not exactly sure where he stands.

we've kidded around at times about him running out of burning buildings with a kitten in one hand and, you know, tweeting about the kitten with his phone in the other hand. he's not as defined. and then you take someone like kirstjen gillibrand, it's going to be a rocky road. she made the transformation from a conservative democrat from duchess county new york to a more democratic senator representing the entire state. >> it's fine how the trump era has sort of washed away all sins of the past for a lot of democrats. but it's factually described kirsten gillibrand who had an a rating from the nra. she'll have to defend that.

so i think we're going to see as we get past the nice part of the primary, as candidates come out and have to differentiate, kind of less of the happy talk and more differentiation. i'm su >> i think the most critical thing, if you think about the 7% or 8% swing voters in the suburbs i think the emotional decision will come down to one rational thought, who's going to beat trump. that's the mechanism. that's why i still coming back to biden. we can all all we want about advice be a and policies and issue. that is the driving force. got to get that off the table. i think that kind of trump's --

no pun intended, any other logical discussion and i think that is the litmus test and that's why i think biden is so far ahead. >> i don't think we know. >> this is what i wonder about joe biden and i said it about hillary clinton when she was at 60% and people who hate me and hate mika right now because they were such hillary supporters back in 2016, i mean, very few people but i'm still getting it on twitter, they forget what a champion i was of hillary clinton in 2008 and how much i like her personally and i've always liked her personally. and i still like her personally, but she probably doesn't like me personally. that's okay. i like her, i still want to write a book about two 2008 book true grit. i said something before the 2016 campaign that may apply to joe biden, which is hillary clinton

was always more -- always more -- she was always more attractive as a potential presidential candidate than as a presidential candidate. and i'm not so sure we don't have the same thing with joe biden. you can go back and see the times that joe biden's run for president of the united states before. it's been tough. joe biden ran a hell of a race in 2008. he was great in the debates. he never moved the needle because he was running against history. in 2020, that's 12 years later, he still may be running against history. his time may have just passed. we don't know that. but i do know that there's this thought that joe boyden -- >> i love joe. mika loves joe. i have to say it's if he gets

into that race, mika,ies going to have to stit it like everybody else. i'm not so sure that jazz is in addition to, quote, a lot of wall already being we're finishing up design on the most important area, the rio frand area and others. we are building a lot of wall. we'll bring in cal perry, who recently returned from a trip -- >> what is that? we are building a wall. >> honestly, it's amazing. sflits disturbing that he just keeps regressing. >> no, and he has his cabinet secretary saying "we want wall" when they're testifying. it's strange. >> plus, the raid on roger stone's home means we have may

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united states in the oval office yesterday. cal, you are just back from the rio grand,valley. the president said the border wall is under construction, and boy, have agot a story for you 4/b2 g, this is from funding from last year, the $1.5 wl billion for border security. so the trump administration is building wall. there will be huge gaps in this wall. one of these story is tiny little church right on the regrope grand wifr and that stuff and praying for the light in this chapel. government wants to seize this

frontier land for its wall. >> what does it man to be a small chapter on the front river? >> it is sweet. it's spreed. go coop capital. and when you look at that map on paper, it makes sense, put the wall long the levy, right? the problem is. >>you must see migrants come through here. >> sure, sure. >> i looked in the bark and there in the dark were a bunch of fellas from guatemala. they asked if i could take them to down. i said i would love to but if i get caughting i'll be in more trouble than you do.

>> a fella said me if that's what the church teaches, i'm going to sr with more happen hennings here in the reio grand valley than anywhere else along the worder, couples is trust overhead. that must be a unique position to be in. >> you can emergency there. . >> look at those guys. you think they're looking at us? ? it's only me. >> and they're right here. right rind the chech? be like many of his trips to the border, it was quick, a photo-op, a listening he hasn't met with any border share and

i'm talking about from san diego to brownsville pb a job made all the more complicated by the proposition of a wall. >> when they need services from law enforcement, they need services from fire department, medical emergency, it just adds more time and it's just not fair. what do you make of the chapel? >> it's very peaceful. so to build a wall on that chapel is just not the right thing to do. >> what's it like living here? people say we need a wall for safety. >> i really don't think so. we lived here so many years and it's nice and peaceful. >> and i've never had a fear that somebody's going to pop out and hurt me. >> is this a safe place to live

here? aren't we pranged one of the safest cities in there would be a big 150-foot road where they could go can be the spirit you'll atmosphere. >> as the trump administration makes parts of mexico again, father roy is not exaggerating when he talks about what that wall is going to look like. this is from the u.s. government. roads, fencing, vehicle barriers, here's the response from the catholic church, just to show what you we're setting up for for. this could be a supreme court battle at some point. willie, this is shaping up to be a long court battle about the

identity of this country. >> so, cal, has the government exclis italy threatened to use imminent domain, what happens? can they survive that? >> no, they won't survive the and if the survey goes well -- what they're doing is taking sections of federally owned last, and perhaps the press will be using it hear. great report down along the border. thank you so much. >> thank you. let's bring in michigan senator democrat debbie stabenow. let's begin the concerning right there. by the way, ityou know, at one

point you were for portions of a wall fencing, whatever. and you're has this become about something there's more people leaving they about why it doesn't make sense to a lot of people. but is it also about who we are at this point building this sort of thing that says stay out? >> yes. well, mika, it's great to be back with you. and this has become really a political symbol for the president more than anything else. and i have supported fencing in the past. we did a major fencing act in 2006. we also know there's very elaborate tunnels under those fences, including places where they have generators and electricity and so on. so we're now 13 years later and we've got to look at what we

need to keep us safe now. when willy was talking about eminent domain, i've been down to texas and met can farmers. we've got ranchers along the border us the roo grant and because the government is coming at their land with eminent dough maybe. we could be putting people out joe biden, chineses are going to lose -- you talk about detroit, i've got the largest border crossing at the northern border in detroit. and the majority of what we hear from border security, the majority of threats are drugs and terrorists going through ports of entry. so let's be smart and be safe by

doing the right thing for the american people. >> but he's at this point digging in and the possibility of a national emergency, what do you do in a negotiation like this? >> right. well, at this point one of the things i'm really glad to see is that house and senate republicans and republicans are really working together in a bipartisan basis on the and i have confidence in them. so they will come up with something that is smart and means sense and it's mcmcconnell's job to make sure we will have a vote on that. i believe we will have enough votes to probably overturn a veto. i think there's strong bipartisan support for doing the right thing to keep us safe. which is different than what the president's talking about. >> senator, nick confessore. i'm curious about your opinion

here. are we fighting it over an actual walloff lusly democrats have voted for fences and walls and repairs and security. what exactly is this fight about at this point? >> well, i think it's both, nick, i really do. of course it's a symbol and it's also the practical reality of billions of dollars this that the president wants, thoo in and, you know, i'm concerned if the president does a information emergency, where's he going to get the money? because one of the biggest threats right now coming in from the north is down the slaint laerns see way into the sue locks up in morning michigan. those and maybe they're taking

funding from our certainly it goes to his view of what america should be. >> gene. >> senator, it looks like we may be heading that way, though, the emergency declaration. will sta how will the senate react in the house? as potential i guess plaintiffs in some sort of law or what will you do? i think there plb they'll be put together, but i'm sure that there would be pluin order to take away critical

infrastructure and national security projects in michigan, i'm certainly going to use everything possibility to try to step that because there are very serious, important and economic security. and if he is threatening those for his senator, your colleague senator, pb are introducing a bill that would streamline mueller's report and take away the dpengs 250u8ly being pnl there would be enough vote to pass it. for house, if and we're making sure the mueller investigation

is protected to make sure it is open and transparent to the public when he releases that report. the issue has been that leader mcconnell has not been willing to bring it to the floor for a vote. so i'm hopeful that this time he will be willing to do that because it's incredibly important. every day more comes out, every day we're watching what has fully stran and i think that makes you the last democrat candidate running for president at this point. >> what do you mean not running? >> i was going to ask you, your party need michigan back. why are you blessing of riches in our people who are so bright and so smart and i've been

saying for some time that the first presidential debate needs to be at a caucus lunch. i mule tie that every single one wants it give pichl want to raise wages and brin bik be. those guiding values are what bring us together. it's going to be exciting to see how this goes forward. >> senator debbie stabenow, always great to have you on the show. thank you very much. coming up, president trump says he loves his job but he also calls it one of the great losers of all-time. we explain in a ahead on "morning joe." ead on "morning joe." i used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was always a catch. like somehow you wind up getting less.

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earlier we played for you what the president said about border wall funding during his interview with the "new york times." here are some of the other headlines from that sitdown. he claims that he's not a target of the special counsel's investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 election. telling the "times" that rod rosenstein told his lawyers he's not a target in the

investigation. and asked about the separate investigation of michael cohen by federal prosecutors in new york, he said i don't know about that. neither rosenstein nor mueller has said he's a target. however, the president sent three tweets between 10 p.m. and 11:30 last night dekracrying th investigation, "quote, this witch hunt must end." and he tells the "times oup "that the presidency is a loser in terms of money. quote, i have lost massive amounts of money doing this job. this is not the money. this is one of the great losers of all time. you know, fortunately i don't know need the money. this is one of the great losers

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democratic response to the state of the union next week, but before that, we've got the super bowl. joining us now democratic mayor of atlanta, great to have you on the show this morning kiesha lance bottoms. >> thank you for having me. >> so is the city ready for the super bowl? >> we are more than ready. this has been two years of preparation. we are coordinating with over 40 law enforcement agencies between federal, state and local agencies and now it's just about preparation, prayer and a lot of tylenol to get us through the week. but there's a lot of energy and excitement in the city. >> that was the question i was going to ask, you touched on it. obviously in simpler days, being awarded a super bowl for a city would be pretty easy. you have the big parade, you get ready, the vendors are all ready to make their money, but now it actually is -- you constantly

have to worry about threats to the city, threats to the people going to the super bowl. how does a city like atlanta prepare for that? >> well, like i said, we've been preparing for over two we've ben preparing for over two years now and we aren't strangers to hosting big events. we started off the the big with the international college football championship game. next year we'll host the final four. so we are the first and only city to have hosted three consecutive events, sports events of this magnitude. so it's -- you know, there's a saying if you stay ready you don't have to get ready and we've been getting ready since 2016. we've stayed ready to bie able . >> i lived in atlanta. atlanta always does a great job. there's been some controversy over the performers before the

game. maroon 5 pass been hearing from it. even the great gladys knight is getting some grief because of the way nfl has treated colin kaepernick. the argument he shouldn't participate. and where do you come down on that? >> well, as it relates to gladys knight, she was very active in the civil rights movement so i will not begin to question what her decision making is at this point in her career. but what i can say is this. is whatever our opinions are about colin colin kaepernick an his position is, a game is coming to our city and a super bowl will be plabe played regar. atlanta as engaged this in a way

i didn't expect when i was sworn in as mayor. we were at a park in one of our underserved communities where there was a massive renovation for playing space for this park. it's about a legacy for our communities and certainly the nfl has its stance, colin kaepernick has his stance and wherever people may land, the game is still happening in the city. and we had dupree who's done a city of concerts all week in the city of atlanta and i think there's certainly appropriate for us to have the conversation and the debate, but the city still had to host this big game. >> at important question, we've got big boy performing. does andre come out for a full forecast in atlanta? >> wouldn't that by amazing to have him come out? i certainly hope he'll shope up.

>> can you make that happen? >> it's going to be a great show. >> nice to talk to you. cory booker is declared as a new member of this growing group that's running for president. do you have any early favorites and what is the most important thing to you that a candidate would have to have right now? >> what i'm excited about is that we have a very qualified diverse field of people seeking to become president of the united states. and we can't -- we can't take for granted that we wonill have qualified president. i'm looking for someone who really speaks to who we are as america. for me, before i'm mayor, i'm a mother to four children and i'm most concerned about what the future is and what this country will be for my children. and so i'm looking for a candidate that can obviously speak to foreign policy but also speak to the important domestic issues that are so -- that we

live with each and every day. >> mayor, we just got over a pretty rough gubernatorial campaign in the state of georgia. stacey abrams will be delivering the response to the state of the union address. but how are things moving forward in the state of georgia with a governor who a lot of people ran a pretty ugly race and had some people questioning the validity of some of the moves you made toward victory of secretary of state. >> in this country there are elections and often times we see our candidates run to their base to get elected and then you have to govern and that's where i'm looking to see what happens with our state. how will governor kemp govern? i can tell you, this week on a

very small scale we had a dress rehearsal for a snowstorm. the coordination between the city and the state was fantastic. he's been very responsive to the city but i certainly understand the concerns with the election. i think we all share in these concerns but i do hope that he will govern with integrity and i don't have any reasons to think that he will not at this point. >> all right. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> as a native of atlanta. >> thank you. >> tortured life long falcons fan, it's exciting that the super bowl, just like the olympics, just like we had the national championship. i think we need to get a know your value event down in atlanta sometime soon. that would be exciting. >> we would love to have you. we look forward to hosting you here. >> i'm so on it. i'll be in touch.

thank you very much for being on this morning, mayor. eugene robinson, your new column in the "washington post" is entitled the scariest thing about trump's tweets. what is the scariest things about them? there's so much that talk about there. >> they're insane. every once in a while just step back, mika and realize this is the most powerful man in the world and -- you know, most mornings and a lot of evenings he is spewing just absolute nonsense. you know, like a -- like a crazy person standing on a street corner. it is really amazing and we get -- we become numb to it. every once in a while step back and say this is not normal and this is really alarmsing. >> when i hear reporters saying i don't read his tweets anymore, that's not okay. >> no it's not okay. >> you're just counting them out.

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"morning joe." it is friday, february 1st. along with joe, willie and me we have donnie deutsch. former aide to the white house and editor of commentary magazine and columnist at the new york post and the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the action al sharpton is with us. but we start wipresident trump labeling the border negotiations as a waste of time. he told reporters that he would declare a national state of emergency if there's no funding for his border wall. here is where the house speaker stand and where he stands exactly two weeks before the funding deadline. >> there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation. there's a place for enhanced fencing, fencing would work, let

them have that discussion. >> could have done it differently, no, not really. i think what -- by having the shutdown we've set the table for where we are now. if i didn't do the shutdown, people wouldn't know, they wouldn't understand the subject. >> i would do that. >> nancy pelosi said this morning that there's not going to be a wall in the deal but she did say she'd be open to other physical bare yriersbarriers. would you do that? >> no, if there's no wall it doesn't work. she's just playing games. if you go to tee wijuana and ta down that wall so many people will come into our country and she would be begging for a wall. she would say please, please give us a wall. i think nancy pelosi is you are

the -- hurting our country very badly by what she's doing and ultimately i think i've set the table. they understand, peter. f they didn't know what was going on at the southern border. now they know. they had no idea the amount of crimes, the drugs the amount of human trafficking that can be stopped. i've set the table, i've set the stage for doing what i''m going to do. >> i'm going to wait till the 15th. i think it's a waste of time. >> willie, he keeps saying he set the table. he keeps saying he set this upperfectly. he has cooked the republican party, their numbers collapsed. nobody believes him anymore. he's completely -- this has been a disaster for the past three weeks and here we go. part two of it and if you were a republican on capitol hill,

you've got to be sitting there thinking my god, how low is he going to drag this party? >> joe, i talked to some people on capitol hill, republicans yesterday, they are furious that the president is taking this line. they've said it again. shutdowns are bad. please, mr. president, stay on the sideline, let us work with nancy pelosi. we can figure something out. i'll read her quote again. there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation. that first bid, that first offer that democrats put out, not only did it not have any wall funding it didn't mention a wall, didn't mention a barrier of any kind although pelosi did say we can do a fence, if you want to call it a wall go ahead. president trump tweeting all morning yesterday. >> yeah. and what's so weird is again, he just goes back and forth, if you're a republican on capitol hill you've got to be absolutely furious because now suddenly he said maybe it's not a wall,

maybe it's slats. now it's a wall is a wall and maybe it's because he likes that wall rhymes with fall. it is the -- it is continued bizarred behavior. >> child like. >> but again the group of people that end up losing are the republicans. >> and the new rationale for the shutdown. we shut down the government for 35 days and kept paychecks away from federal employees because i wanted to educate people about the problem at the border. now they understand it and now they'll be on my side. unfortunately for him the polls show just the opposite. he was tweeting about 13 times yesterday before noon. he wrote a wall is a wall, more troops being sent to the southern border. the wall is getting done one way or the other. all the evidence, proof and caravans coming. the president also tweeted three separate caravans marching to our borders.

and the democrat responded these caravans, do you see them in the room with you right now? >> oh, my god. >> it appears the president has learned exactly nothing from 35 days of the shutdown. he thinks it worked for him. >> you know, you listen to him this morning and it's so easy to normalize this insanity. one fell swoop said i educate people about this problem so that's why i had to do this where in effect we know statistically it's the opposite. it's a 20-year low for immigration. there are no duct taped women there and then at the same time saying nancy pelosi is going to beg for a wall. came out of his mouth. nancy pelosi is going to beg for this wall. he completely contradicts his intelligence heads on north korea, on isis and the senate rebukes him on afghanistan and

syria and so he's in an alternate reality. we laugh about it because it is so unsettling but if we had not lived through 25 months of it wow would say he's out of his mind. he's literally out of his mind. it's unhinged. it's absurd. >> so joe, you, like donnie, like mika, like myself we've all known donald trump for a long time. you've probably known him longer than most of us. i mean, do you recognize the guy, even if -- even if there were things about him that you found abhorrent, do you recognize the guy that you knew for 20 years sitzing in these pictures rambling around talking in circles? he just handed the worst political defeat that any republican president has been

handed since water gate and he does this shutdown which destroys his poll numbers even more and here he is again, going in the bay czar loop. >> he's actually dee titeriorat and we always knew he was a salesman and play the conman most of his career, but now you've got to where he's bizarre. to actually win the republicans trying to blame the democrats for the shutdown, he snatches ownership back yesterday by saying no, i did it so we could teach the american public the issue. so the whole argument that this was the democrats being inflexible caused the shutdown he just ripped up in shreds. but the second part is the insensitivity. he would feign like he had some

sensitivity. to say i reset the table when he literally took the food off of federal workers' tables is really adding insult to injury here. i can't believe he'd even discuss a table when you're talking about federal workers that were literally out pawning their valuables so they could put food on the table. this is not even a conman's kind of way of operating. this is a man that's lost it. >> yeah, everything he does, is self-destructive. he ends up doing things that hurt himself and the republican party and at some point you do wonder when do enough republican senate tors say, you know what? before our approval rating goes down to 14%, maybe we should go over and have an intervention. but we did actually see that on the senate floor yesterday. i guess that was a start. speaking out against his insane

policies in syria and afghanistan. >> okay. so i'm going to make a quick case for what trump is doing, not that i'm a supporter of it. but you guys are all talking about the shutdown and he's moving beyond the shutdown. what he's setting the table for is the declaration of the national emergency that will allow him to shift money over to at least make a cosmetic show of building the wall. it is possible that nancy pelosi is overplaying her hand which is to say in december, they all agreed to a $5.7 billion outlay for the wall. he shuts the government down because he decides it's not enough and he loses the shutdown and she's saying to him, ear's my offer, nothing. you will swallow it. as the year goes by, and i'm not sure that, you know, the public

thinks that the wall is insane. it may be that it's not valuable or it's not wor thu worth, but she is not negotiating with him on the wall. she is saying zero, nothing and that is a change in her opinion from december. now, i don't think that that necessarily means that she's going to lose this again, but it does allow him to make the claim that democrats are not serious about border security so i have to declare the national emergency. >> but john, nobody's saying sh -- nobody is saying that any wall is insane. >> well, pelosi did said the wall is immoral. she handed him that. that was an unforced error. >> donald trump's view of a huge beautiful wall from sea to shining sea is not only immoral. more importantly it's stupid and it's ineffective and if you talk to anybody on the border they will tell you it tthat it's stu.

>> it's not who we are on so many levels. >> let's not pretend that boar tarrant coun -- poor donald trump is trying to find somebody to negotiate him in good faith. he said to diane fifienstein, y guys figure this out. i'll sign whatever you figure out. they came up with a plan that included a wall and daca. then they sent the vice president to the hill. and the vice president said i'll tell you what, you say 1.7, we say this. and at some point you go, you know what, fool me once shame on you and fool me twice, don't be fooled again. enough is enough. >> that's where i think mitch mcconnell did something interesting with the syria and

afghanistan resolution. if you think ha that is happening in isolation, that is foolish. trump screwed mcconnell in february. >> just like he screwed the immigrants on immigration reform. you know what, you're not dealing with you, donald trump. i'll talk to mitch mcconnell, you stay out of the way because you've lied to me repeatedly. i'm not wasting my time with you. >> but he oo's the president ofe united states. >> you can't make a deal. >> he has to sign legislation. i mean, i understand -- >> which is why now it is between mitch mcconnell and nan sis pelosi and mcconnell knows that and the republicans know that because donald trump has acted so irrationally for so long.

>> i guess my response to what john was talking about would be that you know x you can argue politically that donald trump looks like he is trying to negotiate where as the democrats aren't, so that's -- you're saying that can be trump's argument now, but his actual, what he's laying the ground work for to declare a state of emergency because of this dire threat on the border, first allowing three weeks and then you know, blaming it on politics as the reason not to declare a national emergency, while he might actually have the authority, the ex- pension of the authority of the executive. how much has he weakened his legal position simply by opening his mouth? >> still ahead. we'll get to the point gone report warning the president against withdrawing troops from syria saying it could bring isis back to power in as early as six months. but first a check on the forecast. >> we have a lot going on this weekend.

a huge storm in california. a little snow causing problems in d.c. a light coating of snow and this is the beginning of the warmer air and it's creating a coating on all the untreated surfaces. give yourself extra time this morning. still have some windchill advisories out there. not half has bad as it's been the last couple of days. negative one in new york city and negative 15 in fargo. it's still cold. the blue is where the snow is so light snow is covering the ground through ohio, pittsburgh, west virginia and here's that snow and nothing in new york city or southern new england. let's talk about our february thaw. 59 in nebraska, 50 in montana

and our poor friends appreciate. you'll be negative 20 by monday. d.c. 55 and new york city at 60 by the time we get to tuesday. the problem we have is a big storm in california. up to 6 feet of snow in the mountains. we'll have to watch out for mud slides and debris flows and hopefully we won't get too much damage from that storm. the worst of the cold is behind us. still a negative one but it will feel so much better mondays and tuesday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. u're watchi" we'll be right back.

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pressure isis would regain its territory in syria within six to t 12 months. let's bring in nbc news national security and military reporter. this is why defense secretary mattis resigned, that was the word inside. the president announced it just over a month ago. now this with new report what the odds that president trump changes his mind? >> very low if at all. i mean, i think you know, right now what they're looking at for the syria withdrawal it's going to be over the course of the next few months. if everything continues apace all u.s. troops will be out by mid spring or so. with the last of the troops leaving from the south which is right along the border with jordan. what's important about this report, you know, it's not surprising that isis would try

to reconstitute. they started as a guerrilla organization. they've moved back into place. officials have been warning about that for some time that they'll likely go underground and try to resurge. but what's interesting is this report saying without continued pressure so that would be pressure from the u.s. military, from coalition, without that pressure, there are areas that are ungoverned in syria and in iraq where the government, the syrian government and the iraqi government just won't be able to handle an isis resurgence. they won't have the resources or the interest in stopping them from retaking ground there. and you know, essentially, you know, building back some sort of a cal fate, not in a level that we saw in mosul and iraq in the early days but being able to regain territory in and of itself would be amazing if they

can do it in a matter of months. >> what are you hearing from pentagon sources and planners about the ability to prosecute the war on isis and syria from iraq? >> well, very little right now. i mean, they're not talking a lot about the specifics of any kind of a withdrawal and then what would happen after the u.s. troops leave. one thing that we've seen is the -- i like to call them the movers, you know, the additional u.s. troops have moved into syria to start taking out equipment that will ultimately lead to u.s. troops leaving as well. so the number of u.s. troops in syria is up to 3,000 which is the highest number we've ever seen. they haven't always been tra transparent with the total force there. you know, the big question now is, will the u.s. continue some sort of an air presence there after troops are gone on the ground. that's been a huge part of this campaign is the u.s. and the

coalition air pressure against isis. the syrian democratic forces which is a largely kurdish fighting force on the ground, they're the ones who are really pushing, sludging out the miles there on the ground in syria. they really are reliant on a u.s. air presence to help them, you know, break way, to help them forge a path against isis. especially in these last few miles. isis has really down to this tiny little triangle in the valley of land that they're holding but they're reliant on u.s. air power. what would be hard is after there's any -- if there's no u.s. presence on the ground there it really opens the u.s. to a lot of liability to conduct air strikes if they're relying on a partner force on the ground to call them in. >> just in the last three days the president has heard that isis is a threat from the heads of the intel agencies, now from this pentagon report and a vote from the senate led by mitch mcconnell that says isis remains

a threat in syria and afghanistan and will if we withdraw our troops from there. >> coming up on "morning joe," we're following several developing stories this morning. we'll see if the government shutdown at an impact there and the trump add min station is set to announce that the u.s. will exit the treaty that took the coal out of the u.s. knnuclear arms race. what that means for security ahead on "morning joe." i tell everyone to take the ancestrydna test if you want to get the most details about your family history.

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at any moment secretary of state mike pompeo is going to deliver remarks from the state department. he's expected to announce that the u.s. is withdrawing from the intermediate range facility. it prevents the united states

and russia from possessing missil missiles. the u.s. has accused russia of violate the treaty for years and last december gave moscow 60 days to return to compliance and that deadline is tomorrow. joining us now, national political reporter for nbc news, josh letterman. you're covering this. what's your new reporting on it and is this okay? i mean, what will be the ramifications of this pullout? >> well, mika, it's somewhat of a darned if you do, darned if you don't. everybody agrees that russia is violating this treaty. the americans agree, nato has been saying that and not a whole lot of hope of bringing them back into compliance but on the other hand, a lot of questions as to whether the solution to that has been to rip up this

treaty. they have not really exhausted all diplomatic attempts and options to bring russia back into compliance. with pompeo plans to say is there's a six month window before the u.s. is out in which russia could come back compliance. >> we'll ask you to comment on the substance of what's happening here because you did work in the state department but also doesn't this run against the grain of the narrative that president trump is working hand and glove with vladimir putin in russia. this is not something that russia likes. >> well, john bolton must be rejoicing that it's a treaty he gets to exit but this has been one of the most successful arms control treaties in the history of the world. i think we're completely in our grounds to withdraw from it

because russia isn't in compliance but at the same time it would be nice if we could have forced russia to comply and that is where to your point donald trump has really touted his improved relations with russia in his personal relationship with vladimir putin but it certainly hasn't paid dif tends to actual tangible results that's helped our security. >> this is a straightforward thing that putin could give to the president. right? on poll city to make it look as if there's a relationship there that goes both ways. but instead what putin is doing what he always does which is he trying to expand his sphere of influence and this is part of it. >> all right. josh, thank you very much. nbc news's josh ledderman, thank you. we'll go live to the new york stock exchange and the labor department to see how the

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we have breaking economic news with the release of the monthly jobs report. nbc news correspondent is outside the department of labor and sarah eisen at the nork sto -- new york stock exchange. what do the numbers show? >> an up tick in the unemployment rate. we do see the shutdown stamped in various places. it is a tale of two jobs reports on private sector growth. you do see a lot of strength in the economy. the economy added 304,000 jobs for the month of january. that's quite an increase. now, they did have to revise downward the numbers for december, but when you look at the growth it is across a lot of sectors. you have mining, an uptick

there. construction up almost 56,000 jobs. health care was up across the sector. the private economy is strong, but we do see the effects of the government shutdown. you had a lot of people looking for work, you had some part-time people, part of the government, their numbers are up a half a million. all in all, it is a tale of two job reports but we see the beginning of the effects of the government shutdown and we'll see whether or not the economy can find those jobs and replace on the contractor side. amusement, gambling and recreation, those jobs up $32,000. so keep on gambling. >> okay. i guess so. thanks for the advice. czar sarah, break it down for us. >> they mean that the economy is going strong and that actually employers aren't phased by the shutdown. the increase by almost 300,000

in the private payroll, so while the government was shutdown the companies did not hesitate to hire. economists were looking for a number below 200,000 jobs. we got one above 300,000 and if you look at all of last year and we are looking at a bumper year for job creation, the average per month was in the twos. this number is higher than the average for every month of last year. so no, i would say no effect really in terms of the confidence hit in terms of hiring for private employers as a result of the shutdown. the other thing that stands out, participation continues to rise. more people entering the labor force, especially women. that's been a huge story lately. participation rate is 62.4% which is the highest number since 2013. that's a good sign more people entering the labor force. that 4% unemployment rate does

reflect that people are furloughed so they are temporarily unemployed. so i would write that off as a temporary effect there. and then on the lack of wage growth, .1% was a little disappointing in terms of people wanting more pay but it reflects a healthy jobs environment and the market is going to like this report, because what it signals is there's still a lot of demand for workers. people are hiring, they're not getting nervous but we're not getting inflation so the federal reserve doesn't need to tighten interest rates. that's a recipe for a rally on wall street. >> and mika, you know, if i'm trump, i'm like hey, we could do another shutdown. it didn't hurt the economy. no problem. you know, the thing that the republicans have to remember because it is a pretty good overall economic picture is that, you know, going back, i worked on the clinton campaign it's always the my is stupid but

except in november it wasn't. we had a better economy in november before the shutdown and trump lost the popular vote as far as the congressional seats by 9% across the country. that's the biggest deficit since reagan years, so we have to look at the economy in a very, very different way in this upcoming election even if it's still going well. it won't though. every indicator says although still strong, by the time we get to november you'll start to see the early signs of recession. no matter what happens in the election, the congress will not be about it. >> i see those numbers and i should stop tweeting for the next month and my ratings will go up by 10 points, but the reality is that the performance of the economy is getting untethered from politics which is a strange thing, but it has a lot to do with people being in bubbles and polarized. so people on trump's team everything is going good and you saw the the same with clinton

and president obama, it is a strange moment in american politics when you can have a president who's this unpopular with this kind of growth. >> we don't have a tweet yet from the president but he was bu busy tweeting about syria and afghanistan. you can imagine a different kind of president leaning in to these two things that the economy is going strong and i'm delivering on a promise that you said as a country you wanted for 15 years now which is to get out of these wars overseas. >> well, look, the president can't tweet on these numbers for another hour. there is a general prohibition about not talks about where sensitive market moving data. if we do hear from the president it will be at 9:30. he's played a little fast loose with jobnumbers. you see strong private sector growth but this is just a senate

sh -- snapshot of the economy. everyone including the contractors are going to go back to work. i think we'll see that in next month's report. >> i think something that could be interesting to watch from here is how the president handles his trade negotiations with china. so he has used jay powell the chairman of the federal reserve and put the blame for the very turbulent few months we had in the market at the end of last year, worst december since is great depression because the federal reserve was raising interest rates. the fed is on hold. it says it's not going to do that anymore so if there is more turbulence in the market i think the trade war becomes a much bigger issue and we'll start to see if that's going to impact because we're hearing about corporations that it's having an impact on the china business. i think this puts more pressure on the president to deal with

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michelin star and award winning chef jose andres, he's the founder of ngo world central kitchen. jose, i want to start with puer married there, i just wanted to thank you for all you've done for that incredible island. shining a light and helping so many people down there. you are a saint for what you've done down there. tell us about this tour and what you'll i be bringing to puerto rico. >> it's a relief organization. after hurricanes, we show up and we try to feed the people who are hungry. always we need to remember that people, they have to look at the future with hope. what is the best way to do that? is making sure that in the moment of rebuilding, organizations like ours, our ngo, is helping by investing small amounts, for example, in farmers. it's very important that we'll be stopping the importing of so

many of the foods they consume. more than 90% of the foods puerto rico eats is coming from the outside. we're investing in small farms to make sure that puerto rico will be producing the food open t on the island, et cetera. >> you've been even going into places like the midwest and helping invest and put capital in there. what's the idea behind this tour? >> we did launch this effort almost five years ago. so far, we've been in 38 cities. we've backed companies. we're seeing entrepreneurs building companies. most of the jobs are created by start-ups, young, high-growth companies. not by small business, not by big business. last year, 75% of venture capital went to three states, california, new york and massachusetts. we're trying to back the other entrepreneurs. florida is less than 2% of venture capital. so we're visiting four cities in

florida, orlando, tampa, the space coast, miami. and then we'll join jose in puerto rico. really trying to spot light these entrepreneurs. tell their stories. and try to get more investment capital backing thelse start-up. give people more of a sense of hope about the future as opposed to anxiety about the future. >> how much are you seeing in your travels? all of my research points to it kind of -- in such a grand fashion that young people today, as far as companies they work for, as far as products they buy, they need to know those companies have a conscience and that's any -- if you're a ceo, you want to create shareholder value, not only because it's the right thing, because you're not going to be able to attract young talent unless that's part of your brand dna. >> a lot of companies focus more open purpo on purpose, on impact. a company in detroit, part of their whole purpose was

retraining people who lost their be zwro jobs when the auto industry was in decline. that's part of reason people are excited to be wearing a watch and be customers. we've also invested in companies like sweet dream which has a healthier food earth ethos. we're just trying to make sure those companies are all across the country. not just in a few places on the coast. silicon valley's awesome. but there are many other cities in this country that are doing great things in terms of start-ups. and it's really about shining the spotlight on them. and paying attention to other parts of the country which will drive job growth over the long run. >> i think what you're doing with rise of the rest is terrific. we need to have more of a focus on the middle of the country and from mississippi. what are you doing for places

that airporen't necessarily flo, the more rural areas? how are you focusing on promoting start-up in those areas? >> we've been to 38 cities. some of them are smaller. some are larmer. it's many states in the middle of the country. iowa, wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania. what we're trying to do is create the momentum. a lot of these start-ups want to congregate in the cities. there needs to be some talent density. but that doesn't mean they have to move to new york and california. maybe columbus, maybe cleveland. then a broader system builds around them. part of the reason amazon decided this area wasn't just what was happening in d.c. itself, what was happening in the surrounding area an hour outside of d.c. this job engine has to start with these cities, but then it moves out from there. >> chef andre, i'm curious about your message for washington. after all the work you did to

feed our federal workers, people who work for us in the shutdown with us now barreling potentially towards a second shutdown if no deal is reached. what message do you have for our lawmakers about the consequences that you observed firsthand in washington when the government stops working? >> the message, when we had more than 12,000 federal work ers a day online, pennsylvania avenue between kongd at white house waiting for a plate of food. i think that speaks volumes. we need to make sure the government doesn't take the federal workers hostage. and they come up with a way to keep all the businesses in place. in this case, we were feeding employees because they were hungry. but that's what we're here to

do, to try to be investing. you know the best way to invest american dollars, make sure we can be the best for example with small farms all across central america, and all of a sudden people will have something to do in their home countries. >> and that's a great thing about jose is not just what ohes done, amazing on the humanitarian side. but he is an immigrant entrepreneur. came here as a cook, a chef. now has a company with over 2,000 employees. we need to find other joss. it's not just about tech starts. it's all across the economy. the support, the investment, the mentoring to allow them to take their ideas and build significant companies. >> steve case -- >> i will use this moment to say something very quickly. we were not only one kitchen on

pennsylvania. we were more than 500 small businesses all across 37 states feeding federal workers when our government was not delivering for them. >> incredible. jose andreandres, thank you, an steve case, we really appreciate everything you do. a new presidential candidate, senator cory booker a announced his candidacy this morning. we started the week with kamala harris' 20,000 person kickoff in oakland. and howard schultz defying government to explore an independent bid. two new books cast the trump white house in very unfavorable lights. as did the nation's leading intelligence officials. the acting attorney general wasn't sweating the details when he claimed mueller would be done soon or he was. we got a report of another

secret sit-down. roger stone's arainmeraignment d a ruckus outside federal court. and michael cohen's testimony got moved behind closed doors. mitch mcconnell and republicans rebuked trump's pullout from the middle east. the state of the union got rescheduled. as we learned, the president's shutdown cost, $11 billion. but the president is barreling towards another one. fexa a fixated on a wall. and claiming morgue caravans are just over the horizon. does anyone see those caravans? final thoughts? >> we've got a lot of democrats candidates. let's look back a few months ago and see who won in the 2018 election. it was not some of the shiny new toy candidates. it was some of the more traditional candidates.

we got to keep our eye on the ball. >> elise jordan. >> i'm so just struck by what chef jose was talking about there. that he, you know, threw his incredible organization did so much good work feeding federal workers who had done their jobs but the government wasn't paying them and it just reminds me of -- i'm reading this history of the great depression right now. i can't believe it meant the private sector had to feed our workers. >> i know, it's incredible. you look at everything that's happened this week. then you remember puerto rico. separating children. i mean, there's so many things that we're trying to keep up with here. and make some sort of context out of. >> it's only a week. i just want to echo what elise said. i hope the shutdown will teach everyone in this country that the people who work for us, our federal workers, are not bureaucrats, bad people. there are working people who

suffer when the government is shut down. i hope we can unwind some of of that rhetoric. the people both parties have used for years and years about how these are bad people. they work for us. >> another thing this week, mitch mcconnell said my god, do not give them another week off. don't make voting day a holiday. good lord, we wouldn't want to help out the federal workers. no way. that does it for us this friday. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. i'm stephanie ruhle. this morning, i've got a lot to cover. starting with a defiant president trump getting a wide ranging interview on everything from the mueller probe to potential 2020 employees. plus, why he thinks the shutdown negotiations with speaker pelosi are a waste of time. >> she's just playing games. she'll be begging for a wall. she will say mr. president, please, please give us a wall. >> i doubt that. tr