that's going to do it for me this hour. i'm alex witt. see you at noon eastern. for now, here is david gura and a terrific panel. take it away, david. ♪ this is "up," i'm david gura. calls for the governor of virginia to resign. he calls the image racist. it's been a subject of a great deal of controversy. a number of people calling for his resignation. he apologized for that image. >> i cannot change the decisions i made. roger stone faces a gag order. president trump is talking about his relationship with his long-time friend and adviser. >> did you ever talk to him about wikileaks? that seems to be -- you never heard conversation about it? >> no, i didn't.

>> she has criticized the construction of a wall on the mexican border as he criticized her. >> i think she is very bad for our country. >> it is saturday, february 2nd. it certainly feels like groundhog day. >> she knows that you need a barrier. >> this's not going to be wall money. >> rise and shine. it's cold out there today. >> it's not too early for flap jacks or doughnuts this saturday. up next is ned price, a national security analyst and assistant to president obama. the anchor and executive producer of npr. last, but not least, the host on serius xm.

the governor of virginia asked to resign. he's in it, but hasn't said who he is. a man in black face and another wearing a ku klux klan hood. it was from the university of virginia medical school. i am deeply sorry for the way i appear in this photo, he said. in the video statement, he said this. >> i cannot change the decisions i made, nor can i undo the harm by behavior caused then and today, but i accept responsibility for my past actions and i'm ready to do the hard work of regaining your trust. >> members of virginia house of delegates are calling on northam to step down and national figures, including kamala harris. black face in any manner is always racist and never okay.

mark, let me start with you and get your reaction to this and the swirl of controversy. this materialized after a bad week for the governor. your reaction to what you have seen and what happened. >> good morning. good to see all my friends, too. he has to resign. a true contrition for black face is not delaying a second longer in showing good faith in your african-american lieutenant governor to pick up the ball and keep running. i was making an acknowledgement last night, if your star is hurt, you have somebody on the bench that is comparable and justin fairfax is comparable, you let him do the job. this only prolongs more pain, more confusion politically. that's bad for the party. it gives trump something to talk about on tuesday and be hypercritical about. charlottesville helped get northam elected.

he knew this was in a yearbook. whose yearbook doesn't surface. that's not to give credit to when they brought it out. northam has been a progressive governor. he was defending women's reproduckive rights and they used this against him. that's unfortunate. he knew this would eventually come out. last thing i will say is this, by not giving the ball to justin to run with, that can be seen as racist, too. he's competent. he got 53% of the vote, justin got 52% of the vote, alone. during the campaign, it was known that ralph left justin off some of the fliers that were circulated in virginia. with all that said, the graceful thing is to step down. we appreciate him for the good things he's done since he's been in office. we have to move on. >> justin is the lieutenant

governor of the state. you mentioned charlottesville. i want to play what he had to say about that in 2017. >> that was an awakening, what we saw in charlottesville. there's a tremendous amount of hatred and bigotry in this country and state. i was proud to be in charlottesville and stand-up for what it was. i would ask ed to ask the president of the united states to call it for what it is. this is hatred and bigotry. we don't condone that in the commonwealth of virginia. >> i want to pick up on something from mark. the behavior is not in keeping with who i am today and the values i fought for throughout my career in the military and medicine and public service. we have the two statements, i suspect we will hear from the governor in the coming days. he regrets the images, but he's evolved since then. >> if you have evolved as a human being, from this moment, i

think this moment actually is asking for humility. it's a moment to say, wow. i'm a pediatrician. i deal with children. this was 1984. i was alive. hello, some of us around the table were alive. if i had seen that at that time, i would say i never want to be close to this person and he's in medical school? the thing is, humility, at this point, to say it's a terrible thing, i would love to continue to serve. i know i was elected. hey, you can come back. i was trying to think, what can he do. there's a whole issue about dialogue right now, involving a very different person, a different conversation and subject. there's an issue of having uncomfortable dialogue and conversations. so, step down and begin to engage in those difficult conversations. why didn't he reveal this? i mean, obviously, it was too horrible to have to reveal after

charlottesville. it should have been a moment to say, after he wanted to say look, this has come out. i want dwrou know this, whatever. to not talk about it. just to know he was in the background and he's a pediatrician. no. it's humility right now. >> why wait until charlottesville. he didn't forget 35 years ago, he was in a klan outfit or black face. by the way, what kind of medical school is having parties and putting those pictures in their yearbook? >> right. >> it opens up a larger cultural thing about, who was he at that point and the places he chose to go were open to this in 1984. >> it speaks to a systemic problem. back then, elements continues to today, it's relevant that the republicans in this last election cycle, against democrat tim kaine put up a

neo-confederate. this was cory story who ran against tim kaine, who previously ran for governor. that's why i think i have little time for, we should all have little time for the republicans who are now, some of the republicans who are piling on. the same republicans who have been silent in the face of steve king. the same republicans who were silent in the aftermath of charlottesville. the same republicans who said nothing to donald trump in everything we have seen in his two-year tenure and before that. the republicans in virginia who insist on celebrating robert e. lee day. really? >> the way to respond to the silence and hypocrisy is for democrats and all of us who are watching this to take the moral high ground. it's honestly like what happened with al franken. people feel like there should have been more of a due process. many also felt the higher road

should have been taken. we knew the other side that is republicans of the right wing wouldn't take the high road. you have to keep putting the clean glass next to a dirty glass. northam may be saying, steve king is still in office, donald trump is still in office. if we use the same standard, donald trump should resign. we can't demand he resign. >> look at the equivalency. look at what's happened since then. there should have been more due process. look at what's happened with the president and others in his administration. maybe that's premature and too severe. i struggle with it at the time, but i ended upcoming down on aeria erring on the side of trying to sustain the moral part. i struged with it. what's interesting about franken, he said, let's have a process, which means he was

willing to be transparent about what happened and be fully vetted and debated. but, i don't know that the democratic party could have withstood a summer of hearings in 2018 about sexual misconduct and still won the midterms. even the timing was imprakt -- impractical. it's been a terrible week for govern governor northam. this surfaced. >> i -- i -- i don't know but it feels, in my gut, almost 100% this photo came out because of the law proposed in virginia and similar to a law in new york state that passed. there's so much misinformation from it. it saves women's lives and it's been twisted and distorted. he misspoke about it in a way that had all reproduckitive

rights. he was put under pressure. it's unfortunate that we live in a place and this is going to come up in the state of the union. >> the ugly thought that i have had is, as disturbed as we are by these images that were in a yearbook published by a medical school, thank you, is this sense that there are people snickering about this photograph now and actually enjoying this moment and celebrating. it's part of this country, we are like, what's going on here? you are actually laughing about this. you are probably celebrating tho moment. you know, it's a big moment for the kkk. they are been shown on television. they exist. we know a young boy was lynched in washington state. so, these things have real-life consequences. i wonder about, who is snickering now and the fact that this stuff is still in us in

this country. >> we are going to come back to you in a moment. up next, president trump throws cold water on border wall negotiations, setting the stage for a court fight. the president is asking for something he says he deserves. >> i came from jamaica queens. i became president of the united states. i'm sort of entitled to a great story, just one from the newspaper. i'm sort of entitled to one good story in the new york times. story in the new york times. ic . ic . but you're still moved by moments like this. don't let psoriatic arthritis take them away. taltz reduces joint pain and stiffness and helps stop the progression of joint damage. for people with moderate to severe psoriasis, 90% saw significant improvement. taltz even gives you a chance at completely clear skin. don't use if you're allergic to taltz. before starting, you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them.

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welcome back to "up," i'm david gura. president trump is done working with congress to get a wall on the u.s.-mexico border. he will take action. in an interview with "the new york times," more attacks on house speaker, nancy pelosi. >> i think that she was very rigid, which i would expect, but i think she is very bad for our country. she knows you need a barrier. she knows we need border security. i think it's bad politics. basically, she wants open borders. she doesn't mind human trafficking. >> the president stopped short of saying he would declare a national emergency to build a war. he made it clear, it is not off the table.

i want to get your perspective on what we are seeing here. the president, in the rose garden talking about the three-week period where the group of 17 is hammering things out. now he doesn't care what they do or don't do. >> you are seeing three parts. two of whom could reach an agreement, a sensible agreement that includes a physical barrier and this idea of an invisible wall, an effective wall to stop the threats. there's some agreement that come across the border, whether it's drugs or anything else. you see the third party, donald trump, who is in a very different place. donald trump, who wants billions upon billions for a wall, whether it's concrete, steel slats. he said earlier, you can call it peaches, he doesn't care. he doesn't want a wall as much as a political symbol. he wants to be able to present

to his base the fact that he got billions upon billions of dollars for something all the experts around the table will tell you is not going to deter what our national security experts talk about. senator shelby said that if people would get out of the way and let the 17 of us do our jobs, we could arrive at something. he called out the president as someone meddling in a way that was not productive. >> a person. your sense of what might be happening here and what is going to happen in two weeks time. >> it's a moment that the democrats really could use to shift. i mean, you have the intelligence chiefs saying there is no national emergency on the wall. we know this. so, this notion there is a threat, a constant threat on this border, i'm sorry, it's just not true. i always said there would be a day people would say, oh, wow, we wish there were more

undocumented immigrants coming across the border. no, you have a refugee crisis by this president on that border. it's not this undocumented immigrants flooding in to take your jobs. that's not what's happening. know that. the democrats, actually, have a moment when they could change the narrative entirely and say, can we stop talking this notion of this threat, what threat on the border are we talking about? in fact, can we have a more humane conversation of what this really looks like? it looks like your neighbors. it looks like the kids your kids go to school with, the people you work with. that's what we are talking about. that's where the conversation about the wall is. it's about human beings. it's a kind of crisis opportunity in terms of ugly politics and the fact there will be a national emergency declared and lawsuits and all. it's a moment to shift the dynamic and conversation

entirely. i don't know if the democrats are prepared to do that. it's a big challenge. >> let me ask you about the issue of national emergency. this same conversation continues here. if there's a national emergency, how long would this last? we are looking for pivotal points where the conversation could change? >> you said two things. if there were a national emergency and if the president declared a national emergency. the amazing thing about the natchal emergency act is the president can declare one unilaterally. it's designed that way so we don't have to go through congress and red tape. when we have a national emergency, the president is able to pull the trigger and get things moving right away. now, that can be challenged in court, but it can't be challenged as fast as the courts move to react to it. it wouldn't react fast enough or faster than the president can

declare a national emergency. he can allocate funds not designated for military forces. he can send those, if he can make a case this is truly for national defense, he can send that money for both, the department of defense and the army under two statutes down to the border to create a wall. he thooz characterize it as a military base, encampment, some kind of parapit. i don't know what you would call it. that's the way you have to characterize it for it to fit within the law. all this happens very quickly, unilaterally and that's the way the law designed it. >> i was struck in the interview where he says he set the table. this is a way of wetting the whistle for americans. they know what is at stock here. more people would be on board with it than the first time around. >> i think he's suffering from

border wall personality disorder. i feel like it is, when you look at the description of that, when those of us who know more people who work in the federal government than probably the president himself and how they suffered during that to say people thanked him for raising awareness, i don't know what to say. i guess, also, just watching the interviews yesterday about him saying, no, we are actually starting a wall. it's a better design. it looks better. to not have our media say, were you going to release those architectural plans to see, see what you are talking about. i, as a person who is an observer of the world, when i listen to the president and those questions come to me, i feel like he needs to be challenged and put on the record when he makes a statement that are follow up questions when you listen to him. that feels like the gotcha things that need to happen. >> show us the plans.

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welcome back too "up," i'm david gura. president trump says he is not a target of the russia investigation. the president defended roger stone and denied speaking to him about wikileaks. >> did you ever talk to him about wikileaks? that seems to be what mueller -- you never had a conversation with him? >> no, i didn't. >> did you ever tell him or other people to get in touch with him. >> never did. >> okay. >> president trump has gone after law enforcement criticizing how they arrested roger stone. investigators are sifting through his e-mails and cell phones that hold years of information. they are calling the evidence voluminous and complex. the judge in the case is considering placing a gag order on roger stone.

let me start with the gag order. the judge in this case saying you can talk about tom brady and other things, but would restrict what roger stone would be able to say. what does that mean for the case? how likely is it to happen? how rare is it? >> it's rare, but the local rules in the district of columbia allow for a gag order preventing extra statements by attorneys, parties and anyone else associated with the case, including courthouse personnel. some of this stuff always leaks one way or the other. this may be a case, even if the judge issues a gag order, it says you can't take discovery that you get and hand it over to other parties. the court can enforce that through the rules. so, this may be one of those cases where the potential for extrajudicial publicity is so great, the judge may have to

issue that order. the supreme court said, if there's too much pretrial publicity, the court has the obligation to safeguard his rights that way. >> you saw what we learned from this filter review taking place of all that. help us understand the quantity and what they are looking at. >> prosecutors described it in terabytes of data, not megabytes. look at what they listed in terms of what they got in theirs. apple accounts, bank and financial records. phones, computers, hard drives. then look at trump and say, i don't understand why they had to bust into the residence in the predawn hours and what they needed to get, what they had to get, what they require for the prosecution. they add up. prosecutors were clearly nervous if they told roger stone's

attorney on this day, this hour, we need him to present himself, some of that evidence would disappear. clearly, roger stone is someone who has a tangible relationship with the truth. look at his congressional testimony. someone ho tried to hide some of this evidence over the months and the years. it adds up to the fact the fbi felt they had to come out with this material on a surprise basis. >> liz, you looked at his style blog. >> i am doing -- >> there's work for us here. >> yeah. >> he faces the threat of a gag order. what does that mean for him as he tries to mount his case? >> i can't imagine him understanding how to adhere to a gag order. so, with the amount of trouble he is in, so he doesn't adhere to the gag order, i'm not sure what happens. you can probably speak to that. i feel like his, his larger than

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welcome back to "up," i'm david gura. president trump reignited his feud with the intelligence when he said they lied. he lashed out on twitter suggesting that, perhaps, intelligence should go back to school. thursday, he continued the

attack. >> do you have confidence in gina haspel? >> i disagree with things they tell. time will prove me right, probably. >> later, there was a reversal. completed a great meeting with the intel team. what they said was mischaracterized by the media. i suggest you read the complete testimony from tuesday. we are all on the same page. well, we checked the tape. when it comes to threats like north korea, not only are they reading off different pages, it's not the same book. >> things are going well with north korea. we have made a lot of progress as far as denuclearization is concerned. >> north korea will seek to retain the wmd capabilities. it is unlikely to give up nuclear capabilities. >> no rockets flying, no missiles flying.

we have nuclear closings in north korea. >> the regime is developing a long range nuclear armed missile that would pose a direct threat to the united states. >> that was north korea. what about the russian interference in our democracy? take a listen to that. >> i have great confidence in my intelligence people, but i will tell you that president putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. >> the kremlin is stepping up its campaign to divide western political and security institutions. >> is russia still targeting the u.s.? >> not only the russians continue to do it in 2018, but we have seen indication they are continuing to adapt their model and other countries are taking a very interested eye in that approach. >> one more topic, here is how they differ on the threat of isis. >> we have won against isis. we have beaten them and we have

beaten them badly. we have taken back the land. >> the conflicts in iraq and syria generated a pool of skilled fighters, who remain dispursed throughout the region. >> isis was all over syria and all over iraq. we have wiped out isis in iraq. we have wiped out isis. >> isis is intent on resurging and commands thousands of fighters in iraq and syria. >> you have to begin with a guy that spent time at the intelligence agency, ned price. let me start with you. many ways we could do here. start with the photograph from the oval office, the president behind the desk with gina haspel after all this transpired. we are all on the same page after casting more doubt. your reaction to that, the president going against 100,000 people in the intelligence community saying he is going to be proven right in the end. >> it's appropriate we are

seeing this on groundhog day. we have seen this movie before. before president trump was president trump, we saw him go to battle with the community. first russia, whether they were responsible for the leaks that came out in the third debate with hillary clinton. then other issues, iran, north korea. at the hearing, we saw this decent on the part of our intelligence leaders across the board. from what we have heard from president trump, russia is an adversary. climate change is a threat. isis isn't defeated. what's interesting about the hear rg the two threats they didn't name. one was the southern border. no one at that hearing and all senior national security was there. no one said we needed a wall. no one raised the southern border. there was another threat they didn't raise, at least not explicitly. that was the threat donald trump

himself, the threat his foreign policy poses. if you take a close look at the national security strategy, the way dni coats put out last month, there's an interesting line. traditional adversaries will take advantage of changing conditions in the international environment, including the weakening of post world war ii and isolated tendencies in the west. that's alluded to donald trump's foreign policy. they are telling us our adversaries will have an advantage because of that. >> don't they have an advantage because we are seeing this is a person, the president of the united states, but he is a liar. he is a consistent liar. again, it brings me no join to say this, but i'm not going to be ghastly. we have to understand, that's part of the strategy, to create more chaos. you didn't give me an

opportunity to thank donald trump. >> okay. >> to thank donald trump because, yes, that rarely happens but to thank him for introducing us to roger stone so we understand who roger stone is. part of the problem is, what roger stone and donald trump, i guess wanted, i don't know, was to create this notion where we don't know what the truth is. right? where the truth, itself, becoming problematic. you are getting both of these things and people are confused. we are in the nitty gritty of these conversations because we do this for our lives. out there in the world, there might be some people who end up being completely confused. that, i think, in terms of the bigger conversations between the united states and russia is kind of central. >> on the consequences of that, two law enforcement subjected to it, this is not the first time we have seen it. this is a recuring theme of the administration. what is the effect of that? are they keeping their heads

down and not dealing with what is said about them in the white house or is it beginning to change things within the law enforcement? >> i would expect lying officers whether in the doj or intelligence committee continue to do their daily jobs. but, it is a chain of command like in the military and having that lack of support at the top. eventually, maybe not immediately, eventually trickles down. david, i have to tell you, i am deeply concerned about the sugar intake at this table. everybody here on one of those low carb diets. >> what is keto. is it a cooked egg, one of those brown ones? >> cheese. you can eat all the cheese you want. you can eat cheesecake, macaroni and cheese. it's an amazing diet. >> it doesn't look pretty. >> i'm concerned. i saw producers, i am not naming names. they have been snacking and living on this plate.

i am concerned. >> i feel like you are talking to trump's health adviser. >> this is a threat here. it's great. i have been on this diet for a week, i gained four pounds and fainted a couple times. >> you look great. >> thank you. >> i'll turn to you. i'll try to recover. >> the cheese man stole my thunder. >> you can have that, if you would like. >> no. >> you eat the wrapper. >> no. >> eat the wrapper. carbon footprint. what do you want to ask me. >> on the disillusion of truth, broadly speaking, 30 seconds. >> what i have to say is, it's massively fr massively frus raitting to see the experts ignored every time and have trump hear information, agree to it and spin it out as soon as hannity says something. so, to me, that's the thing. who is good, who is smart, who

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talking twitter trolling tearing folks down. this is a time for all of us to think about our role in putting the indivisible back in this one nation under god. >> he will hit the trail next weekend making stops in iowa, new hampshire. let's start with his message. we have a field getting more crowded. each candidate trying to set himself or herself apart. i was struck by this line, the 2020 message are less of obama and of john edwards. described his niche as john edwards without the $400 haircut, or for that matter, hair. setting himself apart. >> well, it's early. we'll have to see. but, i think cory is going to run on civil rights message. i think he's going to run on a reforming criminal justice message. he has rehabilitated his image

since obama years. he was critical of obama. cory used the term corporate democrat, which is overused. in the sense it does exist, cory probably fell in that category of being a quote/unquote corporate democrat and there were issues when he was the mayor of newark and the school system, school vouchers and that type of thing. but he has turned that all the way around and has presented himself as a man for the people. so it remains to be seen whether or not that works. it is historic, hoe, because for the first time, you will have two prominent african-american candidates vying for the nomination, both with a very credible chance of winning, not to mention, at least for women, obviously, there's the overlap with kamala harris. so the democratic party has an

embarrassment of riches at this point. i don't think that there's a losing strategy with either one. i think all of 24these candidat are great, including cory. >> how about you? stls a sheen of optimism to that part of the video that we watched there. it was an optimistic read on the where the country is going. and, mark, i'd like to dive a little deeper in the -- he got past that and over that or did we just get too busy as a country to dig deeper into what that was. you know, and also look at the overpolicing of newark when he was there. that is a big thing. and mark zuckerberg, that ended up in the couch cushion somewhere that we're not quite clear on. what i feel like is with a lot of these candidates, and ka mma harris, to me, it's democrats make a mistake of actually --

ralph northam going back, not digging deep enough and having those things that matter to a party that is going increasingly more progressive to, say, our party is increasingly more progressive, we need to drill down and really, really look at every single way people are going to be called out and show a redemption of that. >> do you agree with that? >> i almost wish we could press pause on this moment in some ways. what we need so far is this focus on policy over personalities. cory booker, we will rise. harris for the people. gillibrand, now is our time. this idea of intergenerational justice. these are meaty ideas and optimistic ideas that we need. i am no eternal optimist.

i think this moment is really important because i think this is one of the few times in the campaign over the next couple of years where we'll be able to hear some concrete ideas and we'll be able to have candidates compare and contrast and find out who on a policy level is who we want to complete this. >> the thought of having more people of color in the mix, having political conversations, both kamala harris and cory booker, in terms of their policy proposal, it gets fascinating. for those of us who love this stuff, it gets really geeky. they will be leading the conversation and the narrative. i see problems all over the

place. today i'm chood to go be optimistic, but i'm seeing problems all over the place. but at the same time, hey, you want to run for president, run for president and let's see and let's get us all involved in the conversation. >> mark, there was a moment, there was speculation kamala harris would run, there was speculation cory booker would run. they took advantage of the moment. let's listen to cory booker back during those confirmation hearings. >> we should thoroughly investigate this before moving forward to do any other thing is to diminish the truth, diminish the issue of stul harassment in this country and to, again, relegate others to what i believe is a dark, dark element of our society.

that white s that, sir, i will leave. >>. >> what happens with that confirmation? >> honestly, kamala harris and cory booker were stars during that process and got a lot of support. kamala won a lot of women during those hearings. even in terms of my radio show, women call in and they say kamala, she really impressed. there's the irony. liz said something sobering. we need to vet everybody. that being said, kamala is being scrutinized for some issues when she was a prosecutor and we still don't know the extent of

what that was. but here is the irony. there's something -- i think we're learning from her candidacy, there's something about being a prosecutor and that skill that is actually good in running for president. and i think that's why she's doing so well. but we're going to have to look at all of it. for the first time, you might have two women on the ticket. you might have a woman and an an cav american on the ticket. that hasn't happened since 1872. so this still could be very, very horrible. >> and i just want to say that i think that's right and i think everybody has their past. we always make that mistake of trying to get the perfect in lieu of the good and who can do the job. so justice making sure that each candidate looks at therefore

past, knows what the base is going to ask of them because of that -- >> and shout out to mark for bringing up frederick douglas. >> history lesson for the money. >> his birthday is on february 14th. >> sobering things. >> thank you all for being here. thanks for the message about protein, as well. coming up in the next hour, it is the message that everybody is asking this morning, will governor northam resign? we're going to go to richmond. plus, we'll talk to a lawmaker about securing the border and keeping the government's lights on after february 15th. government's lights on after february 15th. and it really shows. with all that usaa offers why go with anybody else? we know their rates are good, we know that they're always going to take care of us. it was an instant savings and i should have changed a long time ago. it was funny because when we would call another insurance company, hey would say "oh we can't beat usaa" we're the webber family. we're the tenney's we're the hayles, and we're usaa members for life. ♪ get your usaa auto insurance quote today.

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welcome back to "up." i'm david gura. we start this hour with the controversy i in the virginia governor's mansion. >> i think what this message was yesterday that virginia sent not only to this country but to this world is that the divisiveness, the hatred, the politics tearing this country apart, that's not the united states of america that people love. >> but this morning, governor northam is being asked to step aside after this picture from a year book shows one man dressed

in blackface and another man in a kkk robe. in one of two statements, he confirms that he is in the picture and he has apologized. quote, i am deeply sorry for the decision i made to appear as i did in this photo and the hurt that has caused then and now. >> as his political support evaporates, governor northam has made it clear he does not intent to step down. >> i cannot change the decisions i made more can i undo the harm my behavior caused then and today. but i accept responsibility for my past actions and i am ready to do the heart work of regaining your trust. >> up with us next, mia wiley, senior vice president for social justice, michelle goldburg, columnist for the "new york times" and msnbc contributor and

john harwood is with cnbc. we have a lot to talk about this morning, but i want to get started in richmond. mike is outside the governor's mansion there. mike, how about an update. do you anticipate we'll hear from the governor more today? >> and one question he didn't answer was what compelled him to do that in 1984 as a graduate student here in medical school. another question, who was he? which one of those individuals in that picture. either way, he is being condemned by all quart corners. the media is gathering behind me. next to that, the state capital. protesters are gathering, as well. calls for his resignation from

his mentor, of course, the democratic governor calling for his resignation. the congressional black caucus in washington calling for his resignation and, of course, republicans calling for his resignation. unclear what is going to happen today. the media is gathering again. we expect to hear from him at some point. the question is how long can he hold out in the face of allies and political opponents alike for him to step down. >> keep us posted. let me start with you and get your reaction to this. this is the latest in a string of incidents like this. your reaction to seeing that photograph and to seeing the backlash that we've seen from across the country about what should happen next. >> that photograph was

horrendously racist. i mean, there's no soft pedalling how grotesque that photograph was. and it's not just that it was 1984. you know, one thing that i think people have to realize particularly about the swiftness of the way the black community responded is that, you know, violence and hate crimes against black people are up to historic levels in the -- over the past 20 years and it's up 17% just from 2016. the reality of that kind of anti-blake hatred that we're seeing since the presidential election, it's not a context in which is theoretical. in 1983, the state of virginia decided to merge robert e. lee day with martin luther king day as a celebration, which is,

again -- and that was 1983 and he did this photo in 1984. so while people say i can't believe we saw this photo in 1984, what was as recently as 1984, i think for a lot of folks who are black it's like, we have been doing this regularly for a very long time. and it's impossible to believe. i think this is part of his problem. it's impossible to believe that in the process of developing his candidacy, that he did not have a discussion with his team about the fact that there was this thing that might surface and rather than deal with it in an open and articulate way, that's part of his problem. he didn't have a coherent story that makes it unfortunately for him and for the rest of us believable. because his policy positions are

very good when it comes to race. but that makes him credibility completely assailable. and he can't survive this. >> what doib make of what has transexpired here over the last 18 hours? one would think he might have been the compulsion to step aside. why do you think he hasn't? >> there is a school of thought just never to resign, right? so i imagine -- and if you have power, you want to hold on to it. but he doesn't have any actual level raej in this situation, right? he's a one-term governor. he doesn't have a large national profile. his own house party is against him in the state of virginia. everyone is tripping over themselves to say resign, get out of it. i don't see how he can last the weekend under these

circumstances. what i would like to say, and these types of situations are not one is what was he thinking? it was a joke. what was the joke supposed to be? at whose expense was it supposed to be? so talk about that. i don't think we'll have that conversation because he's going to have to resign sooner rather than later but this country needs to have better conversations about where it has been in the recent past and where it is going and this is part of it. >> chuck, you write so well about the state of the democrat democratic party. >> part of the tragic irony was

they thought this election was another part of that. his opponent ran a racist campaign. it was people of color in virginia that turned out and made him governor and made him governor as a statement against that sort of old style, you know, confederate racism. so to see that he sort of had this in his past and, again, the psychology of this completely alludes me. like i do not under how -- how he lived with this for that long, knowing that there was this grenade that could go off at any moment. but he has now kind of made everyone who supported him, every who championed him, he's let all of them down. and then there's one other piece of this, which is that he's now become part of this very

contentious fight over abortion legislation that a woman named cathy tran introduced, it never had any point. it never really had any chance of passing. it was meant to remove some of the really onerous requirements around third trimester abortions, particularly when women have dire health complaints or when the fetus isn't viable. so that has already become this huge national scandal. the republican party had taken it off saying if ralph northam and cathy chance were both called for legal emfanticide, which was never the case. but he has let down the pro choice community about this legislation which the right has been demagoging on has been folded into this other debate about racism, right? so see who he really is. i think that it's a talking point of the right to accuse the

pro choice movement of being racist. i think one reason whoever had this information held it in reserve until this moment is because it is just so explosive. >> and suffice to say that audio of him, 069 governor talking about this is going to have a long life beyond this week. let's pull back and we're getting to it a little bit here sort of what this means for politicians on a national level. the state of the union is coming up. >> and i think it would be a point for the president to push back on. i do think that northam has some leverage. the leverage is he's in the job and he has to make the decision to resign. his support is dissolving. it's hard to escape the conclusion that he would be completely ineffective after this but he's got the job and

it's up to him unless somebody decides to mountain impeachment thing. as you know as somebody who grew up in north carolina, we go forward and then we go back. terry sanford was a pro civil rights governor in the 1960s and then you have a zigzag. all that having been said, i think a couple of things. one, it is utterly inexplicable how somebody with the kind of reputation that ralph northam has, how could he be involved in that photograph? that photograph is so ugly, i don't understand it. i don't understand it having been taken that you would put knit a year book. i would love to hear raffle explain that. and the final thing is, the thing that is going to propel

the continuing appreciate from all corners of the democratic party is the lieutenant governor is an after can american. if he takes over, people will see that as a very neat solution to this problem. justin fairfax, carolina guy, he's very young. so, you know, it's a big step up for him, but that is a way to tie a bow on this story that i think is going to be very hard for ralph. when we come back, we'll talk to one of the lawmakers who is charged with getting a deal done to avoid another presidential shutdown. r presidential shutdown. >> many of them want the wall and i see it. they're just dieing to say what they want to say. but they can't say it as well as they would be able to if they were allowed to do it. for the things we don't want to do.

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the wall, the barrier, whatever you want to call it is okay with me. they can name it whatever they can -- name it peaches. i don't care what they name it. >> welcome back. if you're not keeping track of this as i am, it was four years, five months and 28 days ago that donald trump announced his plan to security the u.s. mexico border, quote, secure the boarder, build a wall.

now a bipartisan security has 13 days left to hammer out a proposal. that could come down to how they define what a wall is. >> i would love to spend money on what i call a small wall rather than a concrete edifice. we cannot protect the border with concrete. >> smart wall, slats or peaches. president trump tween et this, let's call them walls from now on and stop playing political games. >> nancy pelosi remains steadfast. >> if they come out with a bipartisan consensus, yeah. >> there will not be any wall money in the legislation. >> president trump tipped his

hand in that interview with the "new york times" on thursday saying this -- >> i've set the table. i've set the stage for doing what i'm going to do. >> and you'll wait out the 21 days before you take any action? >> yeah. i'm going to wait until the 15th. i think it's a waste of time. >> congressman david price, i should say this is a thrill for me because he's a former neighborhood, i went trick or treating at his house. great to have you with me. let's talk first about the space that you and your fellow committee members have. this has been an issue that you and your colleagues have talked about, wanting to do this without interference from the white house. have you had that over these first few days and how many do you need it? >> well, the first point is that we don't need to have this in the context of a ransom demand. this needs to be separated from shutting down the government. and so that is the first point. we need to keep the government

open. and my reading is that my republican colleagues are determined to keep the government open just as we are. i hope that's true. secondly, the question of the president making this the be all and end all of border security is nonsense. we had an approach to border security that included a physical impairier in certain parts of the border. we subjectsed it to very, very careful scrutiny. we said is this the best way to secure the border? is it effective? and we've built 650 miles of fencing. and a lot has changed since then, though. first of wall, we have those 650 miles. actually, the appearing sanctions, the attempted

crossings are way, way down, despise his portrayal of some kind of crisis. secondly, the mix of migrants has changed. this is now people turning themselves in, often families, unaccompanied children. a wall is irrelevant to their situation. thirdly, we have a lot of border security needs that are far, far more important than any kind of physical barrier. most particularly fixing up the situation at our ports of entry, more personnel, more detention equipment. we need immigration judges. there are lots of things we need and we can't have it all. within the boundaries of this appropriations bill, we have to make some tradeoffs and i think the physical barrier is very, very low on that list. >> i have john harwood at the table with me.

i think he was one of your students. i know he has a question for you here, congressman. >> i hope onhas recovered by now. >> that's the thing, congressman, it was a b minus and maybe david gave me this question so i can have participation points and you can retroactively pull me up to that b. set aside the idea of a concrete edifice. do you believe, based on what you know now, that the 654 miles of fencing that have been built are sufficient or do you think any more are justified? >> i don't have a technical judgment about what shape every mile of that fence is in. what i do know is that there's been a considerable investment there. and that the situation at the border has changed pretty dramatically in terms of the kind of migrants we're dealing with and the kind of equipment

and personnel we need. there was a report this week about this big fentanyl seizure at the port of entry. that's what we should be doing. but a wall was totally irrelevant to that. that was at the port of entry. do you believe you and your republican counterparts will agree to an ultimate package that adds zero additional miles of barrier? >> i'm not sure what they'll agree to, but i am tell you this. for years now, those republican conclusion have been in charge and they've been the chance to do at least the first draft of the homeland security bill and they've not asked for more fencing. it's not been a priority for the republican members of the committee or congress. this is the president's obsession. it started out as a campaign intien and now he's turned it

into a shutdown issue. it's for us to come up with an agreement and the president to be cooperative in that process. i had some hopes last wednesday with all the opening statements, everybody touching the gloves that we were heading in that direction. now the president seems to want to torpedo the process. >> congressman, mia has a question for you, as well. >> sure. >> congressman, good morning .my question is about how the discussions are happening around emergency powers of the president. one of his big threats is i'll just go ahead and do it and i will claim emergency powers in order to do it. will that prompt litigation? >> yes, absolutely. you have, that may be his chosen way out of this. and i'm not sure what kind of

aid and comfort it does let congressional republicans off the hook in the near term, but i know a lot of them think this is a terrible idea. >> including mitch mcconnell. >> including mitch mcconnell. it will be challenged very strongly. >> and what about legislation, legislation around emergency powers of the president and when and how it's executed? >> well, that may be -- ma thaib something we need to look at. what we've come to realize in this -- with this president is that the kind of expectations with emergency powers just aent there wit aren't there with him. this could be abused and abused badly. i think he's abused it in other contexts. we may need to put boundaries on this. >> let me ask you this.

you've written books about the way congress is supposed to work. you on this committee of 17 working with veteran appropriators trying to come to a deal here and having the relationship with the white house as bad as it is. how do we repair this? >> i'm not sure it's repairable without a new ps that has a different way of operating. but i think the -- what you saw last wednesday was for real in terms of the appropriators coming together and understanding that we needed to come to a meeting of the minds on this and appropriations has this history as a relatively bipartisan committee standing up for the institution no matter who the approximated is. it is very, very important to recapture that and i'm not sure if this is the moment, but i would love to see an agreement

come out here and challenge the president to cooperate with us and living to fight another day on whatever his issues may be. >> we were talking about governor ralph northam and the frafr that has surfaced. your reaction to that photograph? do you join the chorus of those calling on the governor to step aside? >> my reaction to the photograph is i'm just appalled by that and puzzled by it. i was hearing the discussion before we came on the air and i share some of the puzzlement as to how this -- first of all, how this happened and how the governor handled it. i do think he needs to step down and i think it is a sad chapter, a lot of people over the years have, you know, adjusted their attitudes in our state and in

virginia. we've been a progressive movement that has made us, we hope, with a part of the new south. it's shocking to see this. i regret it. i think the governor needs to leave. >> appreciate the time on this saturday morning. >> thanks very much. just ahead, republicans issue a rare rebuke to the president, plus playing with fire. a key missile treaty abandon. olay has the hottest debut. new olay clay stick masks, hydrating facial mist, and brightening eye cream. only by olay.

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welcome back to "up." new this morning, president putin suspends a key nuclear treaty with the u.n. that decision just hours after the u.s. withdraw from the inter-mead dwrat range nuclear forces treatsy saying russia violated that packet. >> russia has jeopardy sized the united states security interest. >> president putin says his country will not deploy any weapons unless the u.s. does first, but all of this has sparked fears in an arms race when lawmakers of both parties have criticized the foreign policy decisions. >> the treaty has been a dead

letter for more than ten years. it's not just that the trump administration is accusing russia of not complying. everyone did, the obama administration did, too. what we don't know is does this mean that putin is more likely to deploy missiles like right up into the armpits of the baltics as a result of this? i'm not sure that he is, i'm not sure that he's not. but we know that he was not in compliance already. it's true that john bolton and president trump just don't like treaties in general. they prefer a sovereignty protecting approach. i understand that. the question is are you

imagining a world port those restraints. i see a lot of people, get me out of this. what is the new thing you're going to get into. how do they apply to the south china sea? it's kind of unclear. >> michelle goldburg, you would have expected john bolton as well as others would have learned that. >> i'm not sure the general learned any plan from the war in iraq. i would push back on the idea that this politics the trump russian narrative. since russia wasn't complying with this in the first place, it's not as if this maintaining the integrity of this treaty was particularly important to russia. so now they're sort of liberated to not have to pretend that this is something they're abiding by and the it's can ramp up its

only arms race. >> john, how real is this schism foreign policy is a place where you can see that dividing line. you're covering washington day in and day out. do you see that dwayne becoming wider? >> yes. and i think bob mueller will have something to do with that, as well. i think there's a discreet issue. it's a limited schism. but there are certain points where the republican in the congress are going to assert themselves. syria is one of them. they did it on russia sanctions after the election in 2017. i just want to add one thing to what michelle and matt were saying. i don't have a sophisticated enough grasp of deterrence theory to know exactly the implications of this, but i know tom nichols of the naval war college has written a piece saying this is a gift to russia

by changing that deterrent balance in ways that advantages them given that they're the ones who have an aggressive posture toward their neighbors and are looking as they did in crimea to take more territory. so i don't know if it complicates the narrative or not and you have an overlay of two different things. you have the trump/russia issue and you have people like john bolton, the hawks, who just don't like treaties, period. so i don't know how all that nets out, but the decision-making process in the administration does not inspire confidence that there is a sound strategy behind this. there could be, but i don't think many people take that for granted. >> we've learned a lot about this administration's hunger for or lack thereof of intelligence. and how the administration is

ignoring those. >> yeah. and i think this is the point and i absolutely agree with michelle and john on this. you have an administration that literally the president this week having his senior cabinet members basically say the president was wrong in statements that he made around national security, this is the approximated who has repeatedly attacked, attacked, not neutrally, not subtly, but overtly attacked the intelligence appear ras i couldn't tell of this country. and we know this. in terms of what he's done in the state department, in his first year in auchs, thoffice, started dismantling the unions of the state department. at a when russia was a critically important issue for the united states. >> we'll come back here in just a moment. he touted it as proof. why donald trump staked so much on that $10 billion wisconsin

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some images here outside the executive mansion in richmond, virginia. after the controversy began surrounding the governor of that state, ralph northaam. he issued two statements yesterday and we'll be checking in throughout the day down in richmond, virginia. president trump does not think there will be a deal overboarder wall funding as we've discussed. >> if there is no wall, it doesn't work. if they don't have a wall, i don't want to waste my team reading what they have because it's a waste of time. >> if there is any optimism on the president's part, it's on china. >> illustrate will be the biggest trade deal by far, but it will be the biggest trade deal ever made. there will be anything that will match that and we'll see what

happens. >> optimism is one thing and then there is reality, of course. a deadline is just days away and at the end of a busy week, the relationship faces any setbacks. a ballyhooed investment from a company that is looking to expand beyond china has been endowed. jeff, let's start with that investment in wisconsin. you had the president, paul ryan now retired going up to wisconsin, foxconn, this taiwanese companies was going to spend $10 billion on a company to make screens. last night, we get a statement from the company after backlash from the administration, after productive discussions between the white house and the company and after a personal conversation between president donald trump and chairman terry gou, foxconn is moving forward with our planned construction of

a facility. it is a smaller facility than what was originally planned. what does this mean for the picture the president has painted here of us moving beyond having manufacturing in china not here in the u.s.? >> we all know the president is a fabulousist who paints pictures that do not correspond with reality. and i think what this is another demonstration that the underlying forces of economic reality are what is going to drive the economic relationship with the united states and china, with the united states and other countries, this is the equivalent of all those bonus announcements that came after the tax cut was passed. companies for pr reasons came out and said we're going to give $1,000 bonuses to our workers. you have to look at a longer period of time and see how much of that money from the tax cut is actually going to workers or to investment as opposed to stock buy back ws and things that benefit executives.

the latter is what we have seen in the tax cut. and i think if fox con decides they can't profitably made distinguish screens in the united states on a large scale, they're not going to do it to make president trump look good. they may make an announcement, by there's a profit and loss that underlies all of this. unfortunately for the people in wisconsin, they paid a king's ransom to get that. >> there was a veneer of volunteerism here. -- he million dollars per employee and now i don't know what the ratio is now that it's a much smaller thing that they have in mind. this is the microsoft backwards way of bringing industry back to

the united states is to give huge tax intentatives to private companies that may or may not but can't be held to these promises that may or may not build these factories and provide these jobs. how much berts otter off would wisconsin have been if they had just taken this money and given it to the people of wisconsin? >> this is crony capitalism at its worst. and ice not just paul ryan and donald trump. they're using eminent domain to kick people off of their property, their homes that they spent a lot of time building and middle class people kicking them out of their homes for a private foreign corporation at that. it's disgusting. it contributed to scott walker lose his gub na tollf na toral

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this is "up." i'm david gura. the field for democrats running for president is large and diverse. many candidates already on the campaign trail trying to gain support in key battleground sta. new jersey's cory booker the latest to throw his hat in the ring and launched his campaign on the first day of black history month, yesterday. with senator booker in the window for other democrats is starting to close. you see joe biden, beto o'rourke, bernie sanders, amy klobuchar waiting in the wings. cbs news has a sit down with president trump that will air tomorrow and he commented on his competitors. >> cory booker announced today he's also running. there are a lot of democrats in the field. >> he has no chance. >> no chance? >> why? >> i know him. i don't think he has a chance. >> who has a chance. >> so far i don't see anybody. i'm not impressed with natheir

group. >> no chance. another quarter from the president, he said, i would say the best opening so far would be kamala harris, pronouncing it ka-me-la. he added a better crowd, better enthusiasm. comment on that if you like or cory booker getting in. >> we know that donald trump likes crowds. >> yes. >> and we know that's how he got elected was off of his craft. >> yeah. >> and no surprise that he can't pronounce kamala. >> yes. >> but i think the interesting thing here no surprise that cory booker was going to announce. it is the most diverse field that we have seen in a democrat -- we don't just have one credible black candidate and there are going to be more candidates, we have julian castro as well. that's exciting for the democratic party. as we were talking about virginia and governor northam,

the real issue for the democratic party is to be the party of the country. what everyone has -- we saw this in 2016, if you underestimate the value of the black vote, not just the latino vote, you can't underestimate that, if you underestimate the value of the black vote and the power of black women in particular, to not -- to participate not just as voters but in get out the vote, all of the civic engagement activity that happens that leads up to an election, that's one of the things that not both kamala harris and cory booker are signaling is a recognition that now there is much more opportunity to be the candidates that recognize that and make that visible and much more aggressively a part of the strategy. >> i started off saying you keep tabs on where the democratic party is headed. just want you to comment on that as well. the window is closing or you are

of the belief quantity is a good thing? >> i don't know if i think quantity over quality is a good thing. there's still quite a lot of time, right. we're still almost a year out from the first caucuses and so i think sherrod brown, there's room for other people to get in. to me what's shaping up as the sort of most interesting divide, a piece in new york magazine i was angry because i wanted to write something like that and eric levette beat me to it, all of the candidates so far are pretty progressive and they're for medicare for all, and a suite of policies, but one of the differences is whether or not they really want to pos sit oligarchs as an enemy. whether they want to lead the democratic party the a class war against the elite or like corey booker to some degree kamala harris, they sort of have a vague sense of the forces that

donald trump has unleashed on our enemy and that we can kind of unify the country that we can unify lots of different people and classes into this sort of -- it's a message of unity. cory booker is opening video. >> call it a commercial. >> which, you know, a lot of ways was very inspiring but interesting one of the first things he mentioned the group of white lawyers that helped his family buy a home when they were -- when people tried to keep them out because they're afternoon. like obama, he's both kind of talking about racism but doing it in a way that makes white people feel sort of included and also forgiven. >> john, i'll turn to you. elizabeth warren when she came out and declared she was going to form an exploratory committee, talked about the billionaire issue, who democrats should take money from. how big a divide do you think that's going to be in this going forward? >> i think it will be fairly

subtle because as michele said, the policy overlap is very large in what these candidates are talking about. but i do think that it appears to me the broadest ultimate potential is with a unifying message. that's what beto o'rourke did well in his race in texas. if you're a republican you're in the right place, an independent in the right place, a democrat, white, black, whatever. the ability to inspire and uplift i think is likely to be very powerful in this race and i agree with michele, i don't think the window is closing. i think this is the most wide open race i've ever seen for a democratic nomination. there's no racial barrier or gender barrier, there's no age barrier. i think anybody of these candidates except maybe tulsi gabbert you can see a realistic

shot for them breaking through. i think biden and beto and bernie and sherrod who will distinguish himself with somewhat more modest i think populist version of populism, i think they've got time. >> thank you all very much. i'm going to commend a piece on nbcnews.com about tulsi gabbert about the degree to which russian troll farms are taking interest in her campaign. thanks to my panel, matt welsh, michele goldberg and coming up joy reid follows development out of richmond with eyes on ralph northam as calls for his resignation reach a fever pitch. . -morning. -morning. -what do we got? -keep an eye on that branch. might get windy. have a good shift. fire pit. last use -- 0600. i'd stay close. morning. ♪ get ready to switch. protected by flo. should say, "protected by alan and jamie."

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thank you for watching. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. that photo and the racist and offensive attitudes that it represents, does not reflect that person i am today or the way that i have conducted myself as a soldier, a doctor, and a public servant. i am deeply sorry. i cannot change the decisions i made nor can i undo the harm my behavior caused then and today but i accept responsibility for my past actions an ready to do the hard work of refwang your trust. >> good morning. welcome to