-including from democratic presidential candidate julian castro who reacted in retime to the new developments. >> last night, he seemed to -- he offered an apology, basically took responsibility for this. and then this morning, at least we believe if we believe these news reports, he seems to be saying that's not him in the photo. something about all of that doesn't add up. and i'm not sure at this point after his apology that he should even be given the benefit of the doubt if he's saying that it's not him. >> a lot to get to on all this. first mike viqueira is right outside the governor's mansion. this new wrinkle here, his denial, what's happening now? what's thede tenor of things ase

await his news conference? >> allem, it's hard to believe less than 24 hours ago, none of this hadgo been known to the public. it was published online about 4:00 in richmond and washington yesterday afternoon. since then, governor ralph northam besieged by calls, nationaleg democrats, local and state democrats for his resignati resignation. these latest claims by northam unlikely to change that dynamic. he is not resigning as many of us speculated earlier today. he'll have a press conference a little more than two hours from now behind me in the governor's mansion where he has been holed up over thewh course of this morning. his spokesperson officially saying he does not plan to resign. he's also calling around, including the state senator louise lucas telling us he is not in that picture. it's not him in the picture. this notwithstanding the fact that he copped to it yesterday in the written statement. you played part of the video

statement. in his written statement yesterday he said i'm deeply sorry for the decision i made to appear asep i did in this photo and for the hurt that decision has caused then and now. this in the face of calls from national democrats, the congressional black caucus in washington, the black caucus here, the virginia state legislature, the virginia democratic party putting out a statement today after this round of calls from governor northam to many state democrats and national democrats from virginia. he is no longer has our confidence and support. remember, alex, this was a student published yearbook but he's telling some of those members, those local politicians a lot of this got mixed up, these photos got mixed up. again, never mind the question of the moral authority that he has to lead virginia. the question is in the face of all ofin these calls for resignation, does he have the ability to govern going forward. even so, he does not plan to announce his resignation at this res conference in about two hours time. >> thanker you for covering tha for us, vick. appreciate that.

joining me now, joy reid, host ofid "am joy," tiffany cross, former naacp ben jealous and founder for center the for politics of virginia, larry sabato. joy,y you've been talking abou this for the last hour since we got this pushbacking whether he is in the picture. what do you make of this reporting? >> it is a bizarre turn because ralph northam has a couple of problems. one of them is named justin fairfax who is the very popular lieutenant governor of virginia. he underperformed northam by only about 1 percentage point. he got about 52.7% of the vote. he is a very viable option to run for governor in his own right which he could do as an incumbent and as the lone african-american governor in the u.s. if northam were to step aside. normham could do himself some

good by stepping aside and making good on the dreams that people had of seeing an african-american governor in a southern state. the other problem is called super tuesday. i googled the date that virginia is on super tuesday, which means it will be part of that megaprimary bloc on march 3rd, leading into the presidential primary. julian castro you just played the audio earlier, said he will not campaign with northam. that would mean that northam would be an ineffective governor, somebody whoin might t be able to carry out his duties if political leaders in that state won't work with him. it means he would be ineffective. he's got a lot of problems here. it's goingms to be very difficu for him to hang on. >> that's a very big picture regarding super tuesday and with whom and who would not potentially campaign with him. ben, just a few moments ago, you had the former virginia governor douglas wilder who wrote on twitter, "this is not about who ticks or personalno relationshi.

this is about government of the people, for the people, and by the people, all of the people." the choicehe of his continuing office is his to make. how do you interpret that? because it is also about being effective when you are leading a state. >> you know, i'm still kind of stunned. i don't know what's worse. like yesterday, he was saying yes yeah, i was in that photo but i can't recall. did i put black shoe polish on my face or don a klan hood. today he wants us to believe that he wasn't in the photo. he's lost all credibility. and you simply cannot govern when own your own a part is calling for you to step aside. >> tiffany, i read he was just trying to take responsibility for a terrible situation. is ita plausible that northam thought he was in that photo only later to realize it wasn't him? i mean by ben's description, one

would certainly remember if you had put black shoe polish on your face oris donned an atrocis costume as he might have. but the mere fact that he originally thought he could be in that photo, is that enough to call for his resignation? >> even if you thought you could have been in t that photo, that a problem. there are many people who a photo of them allegedly came out of them wearing a klan hood cod deny that did not happen. let's entertain this ridiculous dollar late, day late denial of his. even if o he was not in that photo, he chose to have that on his page in this medical school. the medical school still thought it was appropriate to be in that yearbook. it's ridiculous either way whatever his denial is he's trying to say now it's not him. and decisions have consequences. i find it interesting this is the epitome of white supremacy saying i'm not going to step down. i'm still going to hold strong and keep this position which is

a little ridiculous. i want to echo joy's point. it's always very hard to follow the brilliant joy reid with any kind of point but i'm trying my best. i wanttr to echo her point and y justin fairfax, that's such a brilliant idea. hopefully he's watching, the governor is watching. that makes the most sense. the descendent of slaves for those who don't know, he leaves the dais every time the state honors robert e. lee. he's a young governor, a progressive or young lieutenant governor, a progressive candidate. he's a rock star. he started the organization, this organization of all lieutenant governors, minority lieutenant governors across the country. he's done amazing work already. i think if ralph northam really wants to be a man of the people and do the right thing here, he would step aside. >> he is impressive to say the least. so larry sabato, some props here. earlier today, you hinted that northam was doubting he was in that race just photo. we now have this report saying he doesn't believe he is indeed one of the people in the photo.

what are your sources telling you now? what new have you learned? cotruly not be in that photo? >> anything's possible. in a has been the most bizarre couple of days since the last time donald trump created a bizarre day. i just can't tell you whether it's possible. it seems unlikely to me, let me ask you a rhetorical question. if you had had a photo that offensive, that you weren't in, attached to your page in a yearbook, don't a you think you might have complained to the school or the yearbook or demanded a retraction? where are the witnesses? mean, the burden is on him now to prove what i think is unprovable, that that wasn't him. and look, i've got to tell you, my source who are pretty good tell me that he is rattled, he went to bed last night with the

belief at least n according to some of the people around him that he would resign today. probably early afternoon. he did wake up and i heard about this early this morning that he starred telling people that he had realized during the night that that wasn't him. he wasn't in that photo. he didn't remember ever seeing it before. again, a rhetorical question. how many human beings who have been in a high school yearbook or a college yearbook or a graduate school yearbook have never looked at their page? i don't think there are very many. just to surmise on my part. >> i'm not even sure that's rhetorical. i think i'm speaking for everybodyk on the panel. if you saw ay picture like tha that was put on your pain, whether or not you were part of it, i think you would say hey, this is not me. don't associate me with this. that would be a natural response. >> that's also something -- what's youral excuse for that?

this is virginia. he is not talking about raccoons. i think it's interesting that you see this slew of democrats calling for him to resign. you saw the virginia legislative black caucus, the black caucus, all the democratic presidential candidates are calling for him to resign. i don't think this has to be a partisan history. i would love republicans to say we don't stand for this. they have been conspicuously silent. i think it goes to this false narrative that only racism and big to thetory exist exclusively on the right. that's not true. for anybody who worked in a progressive movement, in labor, this is very much an issue that permeates across the aisle. and iac think we have to acknowledge that even with our allies, there are some times these attitudes of white supremacy that need to be addressed and called out. >> is the problem moving forward, joy, that one's going to exactly knows who in that photo unless, i don't know, facial recognition which he said

he wants to do or comes clean with whoever these two people are. does this cloud his governorship? does it undermine his ability to lead, not to mention his original admission suggests he could have been in a photo of that nature, right? >> right, because he said in the initial both printed and video apology, the actions that he took. he have an firmtively said he was in the photo. i think at this point, and you know, we're sort of a mutual admiration society. tiffany made a salient page. it's still on his page. there's a quarter of that quad that says his name with him under s it. think that's sort of where we are. political reality at a certain point is just political reality. the entire democratic establishment is now forming an armada to ride him out of that office. he will not be able to be an effective spokesman for his state. he will not be able to campaign with any of the 2020 kads.

we've been taking a tally how many have said he needs to resign, booker, warren, gillibrand, swalwell, biden, the only question is when. not if the others have to also come out and call for him to resign. he's killed his effectiveness as governor. does he want to put his state through a recall if people decide to force him out of the governorship? putting the party through agony cannot help his future. if he wants a future in the party, the thing that would actually make him a hero right now would be to give that state its second african-american governor, ben jealous is on this panel who also ran for governor of maryland. african-americans lost three opportunities to seat an african-american governor in the south. in the seat of ther confederac. if northam were to give them this one, you would get a political star, ceded as the governor of virginia. it's been a long time since virginia had a star governor. so i think it doesn't make sense

politically, pragmatically for him to hang on. he'san putting himself and his party through hell. >> this is ais time for him to show some -- the problem here is he's never had the courage to cop to this. he only apologized because it came out. and it's time for him to show some courage and stand up, take real responsibility. move aside. i think joy is right. if he were to celebrate fairfax coming in, heat might be able t begin changing his image, but if he keeps resisting, he just becomes known as governor coonman. he's doa. he needs to just finally so shop courage. the man hasop apparently lacked currently on this issue his entire life. it's tile for him to show us that he can grow. >> if he does that, there are many who will say okay, duly noted. yes, there was pressure. yes it was t a terrible situati but at least you stepped up and did the right thing. that may be.

>> that's right. >> that may be the final phrase of the entire conversation, exclamation point, move on. but do you think, ben, that it is too late? to put this in medical terms since he's a doctor. has this wound caused him to bleed out with zero chance of resuscitation? >> he will never be an effective governor again. he needs to just step aside. the sooner he accepts this reality, the faster we can all begin to heal. people want to fib him and see him part of healing that state. but in order to do that, he has to show some currently and actually take full so responsibility. this vacillating and now he wants us to believe that he was mistaken, that he was in the photo that's on his yearbook page, he's just got to keep it real simple, apologize, step aside, and let us all move forward. >> ben, people have already forgiven him once. i don't know if you remember on thet campaign trail when he wa

campaigning with labor organizations he put out two flyers, one with just him and there was no justin fairfax on the flyer with him. and people already got upset about that. portions of the black community felt like why are you running two separate campaigns and trying to put zabs between yourself and justin fairfax? this is somebody ises who already showed us who he was on the campaign trail and i'm sure i think, ben you can appreciate this you remember he was running against tom periello. there's somebody on the opposition team who never work again. >> how did ed gillespie who was running a campaign based on racistropes, he didn't find it? >> this is a time bomb this candidate built himself. you hire people to do research on you, but there is no replacement for just being honest with your team that you made a mistake, that you've got to get in front of.

and it wasn't just when he ran for governor. it was all of those other races. >> this was 1984, the year jesse jackson was making his first run for president. this is a year when he was electrifying the country, particularly african-americans and winning in the south. this was nothe sort of a sleepy year in american racial history that wouldn't have been memorable. you wasee a kid and i remember . it was a hugely exciting year for african-americans. >> it was not a very long time ago. >> people knew jesse jackson was there. it's tough. >> let me ask you, larry -- quick, ben. >> this is alsok, when doug wid was running for lieutenant governor in that state. >> yep. so larry, to you. what do you expect at 2:30 and joy, i'm going to ask you, do you think anything could change given thean last couple of hour? larry, you first. >> well, obviously, it could change. it'sch already changed several times but if the reports are

true and the people around him are telling us these things, one would assume that he would come out with some explanation. i think he'll have to provide a lot of proof, not just assertions. but as some of the other panelists have said, it's a process i think of governor northam accepting reality. because it's been sudden. it's been awful but the reality is his base of support in his own party has collapsed. there's almost no one left. there are few in the state of virginia, there are almost none outside virginia. and in the end, you have to have your base if donald trump has proved anything, it's that. you need a base to stick with you. and he's lost his base. and as several have mentioned it's not as though there were republican lieutenant governor and the state would be turned over to the republicans. there is a democratic lieutenant governor, justin fairfax, and

being african-american, you can see how this would play, not just to northam's advantage, but to the commonwealth of virginia's advantage because the state's image is hurting again. ie' mean, we've had so many problems in modern times. we could mention all the politicians but i won't. but we've had lots and lots of problems. >> joy, is there anything that he can say that would suffice and do you think as this groundswell of reaction in the last hour and a half has put forth that he might be changing his mind and actually resigning at 2:30? >> i wouldn't be surprised if he ultimately changed his mind and resigned. i think his political effectiveness is now zero. it's going to be very difficult for him to hang on for all the reasons the other panelists have said. the groundswell is not going to stop for him to step an aside and allow fairfax to take over the governorship. justin fairfax because of the virginia would be able

to run as an incumbent for a full term in 2021 and he would be at the top essentially seat in the state of virginia for the 2020 elections. a party that is as dependent on african-americans as the democratic party is, particularly in a state like virginia, you cannot win without the support of african measures. we've already seen protests outside of the governor's mansion. those arets going to get bigger. if those protests -- they're going to get bigger. they're small now. that's not going to stop. >> it's only an hour and a half. >> he's not going to be able to put an end to this. >> guys, thank you all so much for the great conversation. i really appreciate your insights. all the president's taxes. the new push on capitol hill to get them released. w push on cap get them released. - bike, wheels, saddle. that's why i switched to liberty mutual. they customized my insurance, so i only pay for what i need. i insured my car, and my bike.

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on february 15th, the committee will come back. and if they don't have a wall, i don't even want to waste my time reading what they have because it's a waste of time. i would do that. i would do that. >> president trump though giving an update on negotiations to avoid another government shutdown. speaker nancy pelosi meanwhile says negotiations need to move along if congress is to make the february 15th funding deadline. >> we have to have a signed conference report by next friday. so we only have this week plus one day or the state of the union in between to get this done in order for them to bring

it to the floor and have it on the president's desk. >> let's bringing in steve cohen, democrat from tennessee and member of three committees, tranportation, science and judiciary. a good friend to us. welcome to you. first of all, you heard the president and the speaker. are we leaded for groundhog day all again over wall funding? can congress get this done. >> congress can get it done. the president can't. the president will not -- he said he wouldn't read it. i don't think he reads anyway but he will end up signing the bill or letting it become law probably signing it so we don't have a shutdown that the democrat and republican conference committee comes up with. it will not include a wall. he will then have an emergency declared and then the courts will strike down the emergency and then he will say that the courts are terrible and the courts are wrong and hopefully it's not an hispanic judge or he'll go off on a racial bent. >> "the post" is reporting mitch mcconnell in a private meeting on tuesday was warning the

president against as emergency declaration saying republicans could turn against him and pass a resolution disapproving the declaration, that would be forcing him into his first veto ever in the face of opposition from his own party. have you heard rumblings of this on the hill? >> there are a lot of republicans who know that this president is not mentally, morally, and educationally up to the job. and even lemmings when they see other lemmings go off the cliff, some of them start to go maybe i shouldn't go to that cliff. and i think they can see where it's hurting them politically, certainly the senators did in the meeting they had with pence a week or so ago. mcconnell knows it and talked about getting kicked or burnt the third time. trump doesn't understand the politics of the senators. he doesn't understand how much it's hurting them and it's hurting him, too. >> all right. the long-standing questions about the president's taxes. i know your colleagues on the ways and means committee say

that next thursday, they'll we begin talking about the president's tax rushes. let's listen to what a republican member of that committee said this week. >> we ought to be careful we're not going down a slippery slope of picking for political purpose, that is a tremendous amount of power that could be potentially abused. if we just say it's okay for the president but no one else, the next chairman could say how about my political adversary. >> how do you see it? do you see a potential for overreach? >> absolutely not. every president since nixon has eventualtarily given their tax returns. this president hasn't. there's a reason he hasn't. he's got a lot to hide. i believe he's hiding the fact he's not nearly as wealthy as he claims, number two that he gave nothing to charity. he's one of the cheapest people in the world and has no concern for others, no empathy and no charitable instincts. and number three, i think it's going to show some efforts to avoid taxes.

he probably didn't pay any or much. with the deductions he's got and most of his returns have probably been shown as attempts to get credits or deductions or whatever have been turned down. some people take the attitude their irs return is their first offer. i think that's trump's position and it may be his second and third offer. but there's a reason why he will not let his tax returns voluntarily release them. there's a reason he said because they're under audit. he continues to say that. just like there's a reason why he won't release the notes with putin. there's a reason why he won't have certain parts of the mueller report to be -- will be released. this is a president who is compromised, who is mountainly and ethically not up to the job. it is a whole generation of americans are seeing a president they want respect and it's destroying the respect we should

have for our government, our politics and our nation. >> you've been listening to the conversations about the ralph northam yearbook photos. i know you grew up in the south. you're tennessee's first jewish representative in the house. were you surprised by this fuhrer? have you ever had any difficult experiences you would want to share? >> i think that this is a situation where you had a picture in your yearbook and of such, if you had an understanding of the horrors of gyp crow and segregation, that you wouldn't have allowed that into your yearbook. i don't know how it got there. he had to approve it. this says something about him. when he said i apologize for the pain this has caused, he should apologize for the fact he had no social justice in his heart or in his mind that he was a person who thought that was funny that didn't look at african measures as beak equal to him or they wouldn't have black face pictures that he approved

whether it was him or not and a picture with a clans man. this was unbelievable. last night he admitted it's him and now he's not sure it's him. how are you not sure? if you had a picture taken like this, you would know it. there are other things in his life that were questionable. his nickname at vmi, all these things are not such that he can continue to be as the commonwealth of the state of virginia, the commonwealth of virginia. and do it in a responsible way. he needs to resign. he's less popular than howard schultz right now. i guess he needs to go to dunkin' donuts and smell the coffee. >> all right. congressman. steve cohen, it's good to see you. thank you for joining me. >> you're welcome. >> what the white house did after president trump contradicted his intel chiefs and it's raising more questions about how informed is he. >> no, i disagree with certain things that they said. i think i'm right but time will

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our country. >> she offered over $1 billion for border security. she doesn't want the wall. >> she's costing the country hundreds of billions of dollars because what's happening is when you have a porous border and when you have drugs pouring in and when you have people dying all over the country because of people like nancy pelosi who don't want to give proper border security for political reasons -- >> president trump in a new interview set to air tomorrow. joining me now betsy woodruff and brian bennett, senior white house don't for "time" magazine. big welcome to you both. ladies first here, betsy. the president stadding pretty firm on his position, no wau, no deal. can you gauge the greatest likelihood on these three options it runs down one of these ways another government shutdown, that trump declares a national emergency or that congress and the white house actually reach a deal before any of that happens? i think what's most likely is trump ends up declaring a

national emergency at the end of the government shutdown that just concluded, part of the reason trump ended up acquies acquiescing to democrats demands he was he was losing support from within his own party. he will not have regained any of that by the time the negotiations to conclude wrapped up. the only option he has left to try to force this money to be spent on the wall is by declaringdeclare a international emergency which will be challenged in court. >> brian, same question to you. shutdown, national emergency or a deal. >> i agree. probably trump is not going to get the deal he wants and he's going to fight it out in court because advisers close to trump want to have a discussion about presidential powers and debate about the courts and how far the president can go on his own to build the wall instead of all these other things percolating around. >> among those thingsings is mitch mcconnell reportedly warned the president congress

might pass a resolution disapproving any sort of emergency declaration. does that deter trump at all? scomroo that's what makes this week an incredibly dangerous week for trump. not only is he facing opposition in the house who is with democrats controlling it but starting to see defections among republicans in the senate. mitch mcconnell let a vote go forward a rebuke of his syria and afghanistan policy. he's starting to see more and more republicans separate from him and he was warned. if he goes forward with a national emergency, more republicans will come out against him. >> okay. talking about a scary week, as the a scary tenor as i switch topics. betsy, your latest piece about white house abruptly canceling president trump's meeting with intel chiefs. what happened there? >> that's right. the morning after the top intelligence officials in the u.s. testified publicly before congress, which was tuesday of this past week, the morning after the white house abruptly canceled the president's daily

intelligence briefing. it's not unusual for those to be canceled but it is unusual for them to be canceled with such little notice. we confirm that there was scant notice given to the intelligence community about that being canceled. we got a musing span from sarah huckabee sanders that told us it had been moved. in reality they're different every day because they're col prized of the latest intelligence material they have gathered together. you can't take the information the president would have gotten on wednesday and shift it over one day further to thursday. rather, if he doesn't get that the briefing on wednesday, he's not going to get it, period. that's my understanding. >> generally speaking how these briefings work. there were some concerns in the ic about the an ruptness of the cancellation. >> so canceling these meetings, it's not particularly unusual. the timing is. but how unusual is it to have senior intel officials publicly discussing an assessment that

contradicts what the president claims? there's got to be implications there. >> of course. that is quite extraordinary and on especially two important issues, isis's power and influence and iran's compliance with the terms of the nuclear deal, the intelligence chiefs very much made statements that ran in opposition to what trump said. in this "new york times" interview that came out, trump seems to be stepping back and saying that he and dan coats who is the director of national intelligence angina pastel director of the cia were able to have a conversation where he's come to the conclusion they agree with hill on these issues. what they said publicly speaks for itself. the president's claims about iran and isis don't perfectly match the statements that our intelligence chiefs are making. > brian, you jump in docking about the dissonance between the president and his intel chiefs. >> the implications are stark because not only does the president not hear things that

contradict his world view, it also means he's not going to be incorporating them into his decision making. that was the case in december when he decided to tweet out he was withdrawing from syriaen and that created a rift with him and general mattis who later resigned. and it's all because the president doesn't like to hear things that go against the way he sees the world and what he wants to do. >> brian bennett and betsy woodruff, thanks so much for the chat. appreciate it. >> sure thing. the trump organization fires more undocumented golf club employees and raises more legal questions in just a moment. i'll be talking with the lawyer for two fired trump workers who will just so happen to have a seat at tuesday's state of the union address. ave a seat at tuesday's state of the union address. ♪ feeling unsure? what if you had some help? introducing the new 2019 ford edge with the confidence of ford co-pilot360™ technology.

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i liked working for him but when i saw how he talked about us when he started his presidency is, i felt humiliated. >> how did you get the job without any documentation? >> i told them that i don't have papers. i don't speak english and that i was an immigrant. they said no, it doesn't matter. >> that is victorina morales set to attend the state of the union address on tuesday. they were among the first workers to reveal the trump national golf club knew they were undocumented when hired and just last night, "the new york times" reported five more undocumented workers were fired. one of them had worked there for

16 years. in the past two months, three trump properties have identified and terminated "any employee who has given any employee who gave documents to obtain employment. >> you say your phone's risking off the hook, as well. >> since the original story broke in december, i've been getting anonymous phone calls from people who say that they also worked for the trump organization that management knew they were undocumented in different cities in the united states. i now represent 20 workers and that's the situation right now. >> and that we have to make sure we are clear that it is the allegation that the trump corporation knew that they were undocumented at the time. >> that's what they're saying. it was an open secret. these people weren't hired yesterday. they've been working there for 15 years. one gentleman was working there for 18 years. and the story is the same. in some cases they say that

management helped them get the documents. >> the fake documents or real documents? >> in the case of victorina, the picture taken of her was taken inside the golf club. she was taken to a town nearby and picked up fraudulent documents. another employee said three times he was told to get better fake documents. they don't look real. bring better looking ones. >> told by whom? >> managers, supervisors. >> i believe supervise. supervisors. so at this point, you know, i represent 20. but what they're telling me is that the number of undocumented workers at these golf clubs is significant. >> what has the trump company been response? i should think you've reached out to them? >> i have not. they have not reached out to me. i have reached out to federal and state authorities. new york state authorities reached out to me. my clients are victims. this is a federal crime. and they are material witnesses of a federal crime.

and that is why sandra diaz and two other workers traveled to washington, d.c., to speak to congress, because these people need protection. when we saw the firing, we were concerned, the firingings, we were concerned they were probably going to get picked up by immigration. now we feel better. we know they are material witnesses. any attempt to try to remove any of these people from the united states could be obstruction of justice. >> you have to add on to particularly in victor rina's case, she's from guatemala and is seeking asylum. >> yes, victorina has an extremely compelling asylum case. in one year, she will be a legal permanent resident. there are many clients and many people that i have spoken to who are extremely scared, concerned. >> they're very heart breaking stories. i want to play part of a conversation with to nbc news

was gabriel sadano, a maintenance worker at the trump golf club in westchester and worked there for 15 years. he was fired last month. listen to what he had to say. >> do you think they knew at the club your documents were false. >> that's what i think because they need employees. and like they don't check like -- i can like be sure about that, but he got to know. >> you think the president must have known? >> must know. >> is there a sense of how closely some of these documented workers, take gabriel for example, he worked within the trump family orbit? >> yeah, so gabriel was one of the most trusted employees. he had the keys to mr. eric trump's house. this is who he is. he was one of the -- he can go in there whenever he wants. that's why he was so upset. out of nowhere, you're fired. that's a tough one for him. >> in victorina's case, this was someone with the president quite

intimately in the bedrooms and cleaning things and picking up laundry and i read that the president went with her at one point to look at a bunch of pictures that were on the wall to look at the dusting and how well she had done and said she had done such a good job, on occasion, he would personally hand her a $50 bill or $100 as a tip. good job. >> they were excellent workers. hard workers. victorina worked directly for the president and miss ivanka trump. >> i do want to read a statement in eric trump, the original statement that he offered when all of this came to light. "we have tens of thousands of employees across our properties and have very strict hiring practices. if if he employees submitted false documentation in an attempt to circumvent the law they would be terminated immediately. this is one of the reasons my father is fight so hard for immigration reform. the system is broken." i'll give you the last response to what eric trump said into well, what my clients are

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>> good day everyone from world headquarters in new york, welcome to weekends with alex witt. breaking and dramatic developments for you. nbc news confirms ralph northam will not resign at a planned press conference in the next hour. in a remarkable turn of events he now says he does not believe he is one of the people in this race just photo. it's from his 1984 medical school yearbook when he was 25. a virginia state senator tells nbc news northam reached out to her to say it's not him in the picture. but that is in stark contrast with his statement yesterday which he released shortly after the racist photo surfaces. he then wrote" earlier today a website published a photograph

of me from my 1984 medical school yearbook in a costume that is clearly racist and offensive." and followed that you up with a video apology. >> i'm deeply sorry. i cannot change the decisions i made nor can i undo the harm my behavior caused then and today. but i accept responsibility for my past actions. and i am ready to do the hard work of regaining your trust. before governor northam raised doubts whether it's him in that photo, many political figures called for him to resign including six of the democrats running for president. >> something about all of that doesn't add up. and i'm not sure at this point after his apology that he should even be given the benefit of the doubt if he's saying it's not him. >> he should resign. so disturbing. so racist. there's no place for racism in our government among our leaders. >> i've called for him to

resign. >> at last hour, i spoke with democratic representative steve cohen of tennessee. >> when he said i apologize for the pain this has caused, he should apologize for the fact that he had no social justice in his heart or in his mind, that he was a person who thought that was funny. that didn't look at african-americans as being equal to him or they wouldn't have black face pictures. if you ever had a picture taken as a klansman or a black face, you would know it. >> nbc's mike viqueira is outside of northam's mansion in richmond. what are you expecting to hear from the governor? >> well, alex, there are a number of questions outstanding of rapidly developing story, 24 hours ago we had no idea this was about to break. now governor northam in the governor's mansion will appear in about an hour and a half besieged by calls not only from his republican opponents here in

virginia but by democrats both in the state of virginia and nationally calling for him to step down. among the questions he's expected to be asked, why did you essentially admit to this photograph yesterday and now today calling into question whether it is actually you he's telling members of the virginia state house democratic members it was not him that, things got mixed up in this student published yearbook from the year of 1984. the eastern virginia medical school where he was a medical student. alex, there are calls from terry mcauliffe who preceded him in office as the governor of virginia. the democrat calling for him to resign. the congressional black caucus, the virginia state legislature's black caucus, all down the line. so governor northam expected to appear. if it wasn't him in the photograph, again, why was it that he admitted to it yesterday in his statement? he said i'm deeply sorry for the decision i made to appear as i did in this photo and for the hurt that decision has caused then and now and why are we just

hearing about this photograph which is obviously in his words, racist and offensive. alex. >> absolutely. mike, quickly around you, there were some crowds beginning to build. protest ares there outside. how is the tenor of things now? >> reporter: they dispersed very early in the morning despite the cold. there were many who were calling for the resignation of governor northam. a lot of them advocating for the ascension of the lieutenant governor here, lieutenant governor justin fairfax. is he an african-american. he's taking a strong stand. historically on civil rights here in virginia. each year, the state legislature has an event honoring robert e. lee, the native son of virginia and commanding general of confederate forces in the civil war. he gets up, does the lieutenant governor and walked out of that session of the state legislature. always taken a strong stand on civil rights. many here calling for him to become the next governor of virginia, calling for ralph northam to step down.

>> mike, thank you so much. joining me now another who takes a strong stand on civil rights, the president and ceo of the naacp derrick johnson. let's get right into this here. what do you make of the denial by governor northam? he is contradicting himself less than 24 hours after this whole thing erupted. >> another example that he should step down. first of all, it was offensive in 1984 like it is offensive today. for him to take responsibility on yesterday and now try to change the story. it begins to question his character. this is something that's problematic. it goes beyond partisanship. it is about the values we want to represent ourselves, as citizens, as policy makers and citizens. >> do you believe at all his change of story? is this something he just can't remember? he was 25 years old. >> it's mute. i was a tenth grader in 1984.

i knew at that time as a tenth grader the problem if a white person posed in black face or with a klan uniform. being 25 should give more reasons why he should have had better judgment. he wasn't a high school or middle school student. he was an informed medical student. that means he had the capacity to understand that this was a problem whether he was in the picture, in the room, or condoned activity is still a problem. >> here's something though, the mentality to which you are speaking. mere fact that he considered it was a possibility that he was in that photo. and offered the apology for that. is that enough for him to resign? you know, it goes to character now, right? 24 hours ago, he said i apologize. i was in the photo. now he's saying he wasn't in the photo. let's understand the rise in tolerance and racial hatred starred with ronald reagan.

all the way through the '90s with mass incarceration. after the 2008 election, we thought it was a post racial society and the glenn becks of the world. now we're sitting with a racist in the white house that germinates intolerance which allows children to be taken at the border, shootings in charlottesville, south carolina. massacres of jewish community in pittsburgh. this is a kults turl problem we need to address to insure that the values of this nation is one in which we respect all individuals and no one should occupy the seat of the governorship if they participated whether it was in 1984 or 2019. >> derek, you mentioned charlottesville. you'll recall the governor a few days after incident there condemned white supremacy, criticized the president's comments. take a listen to what he said. >> for white supremacists and neo-nazis to just march into charlottesville bringing their hatred abbigotry and violence,

it's just something we in virginia don't condone pop and for the president to continue to say that this violence is coming from various sides, it's very clear where it's coming from, from white supremacists who brought their hatred and big do thetory. we want to start the healing process starting with our president and he has disappoint all of us. >> derek, do you recall how you felt when you heard him say that and how you now feel hearing this played again after seeinging that yearbook picture? >> first of all, that was an open opportunity at that juncture to say i understand his behavior. there was once upon a time i participated with this community and now i am more enlightened and i grieve for that commune because i've changed my ways. this is what i've done and we need to unite as virginians. the second part is the standard outsider argument that southern states always use. it's not us, it's the people coming from outside. no, it has been the southern way

to fan racial intolerance in hopes that the confederacy will rise again. it is frustrating to recognize. i've heard this before. it is deeply rooted in the culture and until individuals stand up and own that this is a problem, we will copy to have the problem. he had an opportunity. he did not seize upon it. he should resign. >> what can we take from this, derek, to begin the conversation, continue the conversation, uplift the conversation? what can we do from this moment and try to make things better? >> well, this is yet another example of the rise of intolerance and racial hatred in this country particularly with the election of 2016. as citizens we begin to see ta pushback during the midterm. we need to continue to drives the notion the value proposition that policymakers bring to the table should be rooted in our

public policy and actions, supersede words every time. the actions of insure that our elderly are cared for, that our young people are provided a free public quality education so they can be the best they can be, and the rise of the disadvantaged, however we define them, racial, economic disadvantaged are protected. that's a society we should be working towards and every chance we should advance that notion but every chance we get we should pushback and condemn individuals whether it's present day racism or past racism. you know, really force them to own up to their responsibility. in this case, his ownership is resigning. > president and ceo of the naacp derrick johnson. thank you for being here. appreciate it. >> thank you for the opportunity. joining me now, rnc spokesperson kailey mcnay knee, shermichael singleton, and msnbc political analyst, jonathan

alter who directed the "breslin deadline artist." elena beverly, and republican strategist rick tyler an msnbc political analyst. this panel couldn't get bigger. thanks all five of you for being here. shermichael, what's your reaction to what we just heard from derrick johnson? >> i agree with what he said. i'm dumbfounded that the governor did admit yesterday it was him and now all of a sudden ecalling senior democrat officials within the state and across the country saying he's not certain it's him because certain classmates said that pictures were mixed up. i doan believe him. i think he needs to do what is right and move on beyond this. look, the folks in virginia particularly african-americans who helped get this guy elected, deserve better. i think it would even be more honorable with it being black history month to see the lieutenant governor become governor of the state and again help the state move on. >> how do you, jonathan, make

sense of northam's shifting story? does it even matter what he says after losing the support of so many lawmakers, so many groups and prior allies? >> it's not smart to be changing your story as you go along. he's digging himself in deeper. and it sort of reminds people i think of when tone weiner said i don't know who i texted. maybe somebody was hacking me or something. so er he had better this afternoon have a very good story where he has clarified it was not him. it's going to be hard for him to identify who it is because those guys if it's not him are probably doctors themselves now and he doesn't necessarily want to you know, reveal their identities. so he's -- he's in a box and he also hasn't dealt with the question of even if it's not him, it was on his page. and didn't he have something to say about what went on his medical school yearbook page?

so it's a very tall order for him this afternoon. >> that's a very good point. you would think he would have seen that and said get that off my page. that's not mine. caylee, what about what he says now? does it matter what he says and which version of events do you think people will believe? >> it doesn't matter what he says because jonathan hit the optimal point which is this was on his page. it's time for the democratic governor to step down. it's time for him to resign. this was on his payable for four decades, nearly four decades. did he ask for a retraction? he has to answer that question. at this point he has not indicated he ever asked for retraction or removal in his page. there's no place in society for thosives and beliefs. he needs to step down. >> elena, your take on this. >> so the picture in and of itself conjures of centuries of racial discrimination and racial violence. and it was a betrayal of the voters of the commonwealth of virginia. all voters in the commonwealth

of virginia. in particular, the black voters who saw northam as a counter to ed gillespie who had embraced white nationalists. i think even though he says that it may not have been him, at this point, it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter that was on his page. it was he himself didn't know he could deny it. he didn't know in his heart there was no way he was the person who had black face or had a kkk robe over his head. >> kailey, as i think about what you said rather vigorously that he should resign, i'm curious if there is a double standard at all when it comes to republicans and this regarding congressman steve king. he's got a plethora of past racist remarks here. was he given a pass? should he be given a pass? should his resignation be caused for? >> absolutely not. he wasn't given a pass. he was stripped of his committee assignments and roundly condemned by everyone in the republican party. if we want to talk about double

standards, i fail to have heard a single condemnation of congresswoman rashida tlaib whose chief fund-raisers runs a page where they called jews satanic. where is the condemnation. she's elevated to the oversight committee. >> nice try kailey. >> she's elevated to foreign affairs. will you condemn her right now. >> nice try, kailey. >> anti-semitism is okay. anti-semitism is okaying? >> kailey, i'm jewish. i'm not down with her statement. excuse me. could i get a word in? >> it's a double standard. you're not going to condemn her. it's ridiculous. >> you are guilty of the double standard. it's fine for democrat who have been very tough on president trump for his racism to call for the governor's resignation. >> he hasn't been racist. that's ridiculous. >> ever since he took office.

>> -- that is completely ridiculous. >> he has been consistently -- kailey would you please let me get a word in? no, because you're telling lies. i'm not going to allow you to tell lies about the president. >> i'm not going to let you buffalo me the way you and people in your party try to do. excuse me. let me finish my sentence. >> okay. >> thank you. >> now, president trump has engaged in racist rhetoric against muslims, mexicans, african-americans and by not condemning what happened in charlottesville, jews. >> he did condemn it. >> he did not. he said both sides were to blame. >> he did. >> he made it seem like -- he made it -- he never retracked but he made it seem like there were good people on both sides. >> let me bring in another republican to this conversation. >> double standard down the line. >> look, where do you fall on all of this?

it seems to me that the very genesis of this president's candidacy came when he was talking about mexicans being racist. pardon me, being criminals and rapists. is that racist, that comment? >> it's absolutely racist. but i think we should focus we have a governor in northam who yesterday and elena is right, whether he's in the photograph or not isn't material. he believed he was. which tells me there are other photos and other things that will come out about the governor. the governor, this -- look, i've never been the victim of racial discrimination or racial vitriol. it's hard for me to know what that feels like. but i can understand it. he was a 25-year-old man, not a boy, not a child with childish thoughts. he was a man. he thought this was funny. it is not funny. and he should be condemned for it. look, i believe in redemption.

if 35 years ago he said this was a terrible thing to do and worked his entire life to make amends for it, and then the people of virginia understood that and knew that, they could make a choice whether he has been redeemed or not. but to come out 35 years later when the virginia voters didn't know and voted him in, i think there's got to be consequences. you can be redeemed but i still may have to pay the consequences. i don't like this to be turned into a conversation of what aboutism on one side or try to obfuscate it by pushing it off another. a double standard does not make a standard. >> rick, the fact that northam cannot entirely rule out whether he was that person, he says he was, then 12 hours later says that he wasn't. does that is in itself offer good enough reason for him to excuse himself and resign from office right there? that level of uncertainty and that level of question that it might have been him at one point? >> yes, because he believed it might have been him.

he apologized for it. he issued a statement about it. so therefore, he believed it might have been him. if you looked at the photograph and said, i don't want to be glib here but oh, that's not my kk uniform? whatever it was, you know, he believed it was him. and he engaged in these behaviors and it was hidden from the voter. by the way, it is unquestionable that the opposition campaign, in this case gillespie's campaign would have had this. this is bake opposition research. there's no doubt in my mind that that photo was in the possession of the opposition researchers in the gillespie campaign. >> i don't understand why it wouldn't have been put out there. >> it's complicated, isn't it? i think the while campaign was race back and forth. it's embarrassing to the voters of the commonwealth of virginia. and i think we can move beyond it by northam at 2:30 today stepping down. >> i'm fascinated rick that you

think had gillespie's team had that. i thought it was incompetent on the part of their op poe team. >> i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt they had competence. >> it turns out there was more. i initially was against a rush to judgment. there are indications there's more and that in his virginia military statute yearbook one of his nicknames was and this is a clur, coonsman. >> i saw that. >> if that turns out to be case, i don't see how he survives. >> can you shed new light on this, michael, why if his group had -- if they had this picture why it would not have been used. >> i don't believe that. in 2014, i was a opposition researcher working for american. rising which is based in virginia and we worked with ed gillespie when he ran for senate against mark warner in 2014. i can assure you, if there was a researcher who discovered this, i can guarantee you it would have been utilized against the

other campaign. i can tell you as a former opposition researcher, i find it hard to believe that someone would have discovered that material and not figured out a way to utilize it against the other campaign. i just can't answer that question. i find it hard it believe someone knew and never brought it to the limelight. >> there are lots of reasons not to the release opposition research even if that is true. we create a document but we don't always use it all whether it's true or not. there are reasons not to use it. >> i agree with that notion. >> there's a reason this wasn't used. >> i'm finding it difficult. >> there's a reason it wasn't used. >> rick, incompetent is often the best explanation of these things. >> i want to ask elena, go ahead and comment. >> i was going to say, let's bring it back to right now. northam will have his press conference. there's an opportunity here rather than deny, deny, deny, there's an opportunity for him to step down and in doing so, he's exerting leadership. he's taking the helm and saying that he could be a champion for

racial healing as opposed to holding on to the reins and blocking his lieutenant governor from taking the helm as governor justin fairfax, who is a fantastic elected leader. he has the respect of the democratic party. he has the respect statewide of voters. this is the time for northam to step down and allow someone else to lead. >> do you, kailey, i'll give you the last word. do you think the president should be weighing in on this? is there any reason he would remain silent on this? should he not condemn the photo. >> the president, of course, condemns that photo. his first tweet was about celebrating african-american history month. black history month. that was his first tweet today. this is for democrats to sort out. we call on him to resign. it's a racist photo. the president's continue little condemned white supremacist in all of its forms. i have all the dates. he's repeatedly condemned it and he needs to resign right now,

ralph northam does. >> sorry, kailey, the president is a racist, full stop. >> no, he's not. that's irresponsible i know you want to take the heat of the democrat. >> nope. >> this should not be. >> -- >> he's a racist, full stop. >> for you to call the president that, that's absurd. >> it's not absurd. it's true. >> february 29th, august 22nd of 2016. >> a long record, kailey. >> kailey, i think we can all acknowledge, we can all acknowledge and i'm a republican that our party has not done a great job on race reeses and more often than not. >> we ended slavery and jim crow. we're the party of lincoln and have done a great job. >> it has been a spirited conversation for which i thank all five of you guys. thank you so much. the battle over the border wall is an emergency declaration. is it becoming a near certainty i know that every single time that i suit up,

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certainty?. on february 15th, the committee will come back and if they don't have a wall, i don't even want to waste my time reading what they have because it's a waste of time. >> president trump will reaffirming his position on funding for a wall. it could lead to another government shutdown. joining me andy card, political analyst and former white house chief of staff. andy, very good to talk with you. i'm curious your thoughts on

these negotiations over board are wall funding. mitch mcconnell reportedly warned the president that congress could end up passing a resolution disapproving an emergency declaration if he goes down that road. what are your expectations for this? do you think mcconnell's warning could deter the president. >> first of all, alex, good to be with you. thank you. you know, the negotiations on the hill really should have been started by saying everything is on the table. the democrats i think are at deep fault for not allowing everything to be on the table. that's the way you have honest negotiations. i've been through it many times. it doesn't work when they say we'll negotiate but won't talk about this. they should negotiate in food faith and they could come to an agreement. i think the president would move. i think congress should move and they could come to an agreement. that having been said, it doesn't look like the democrats want to come to an agreement. so they want to the drives the president towards another shutdown decision and i don't

think they should shut down the government. they should pass a bill that would fund government and keep it open and try to demonstrate they have the votes to override veto from the president till they can keep government open. i think that's where mitch mcconnell is. i haven't talked with him but i know he's a very good legislate tore and i think he wants to get things done. i think the president rightfully should be looking at all of his options. i think it's a tough issue for him to issue an emergency order directing that the wall should be built but i'm sure that there are ways for him to do it in some places. maybe not the whole thing. eminent domain, there's lots of challenges in building a wall for the whole area. >> you said it. >> there would be constitutional trouble. i also think the senate is right to a we don't want you to use executive authority. we should pass a law to do it. i think mcconnell is probably right in saying what he's saying right now. i'm sure it's not the word that the president wants to hear, but

mitch mcconnell also has a responsibility to protect the integrity of the senate and congress. so i think the president's -- he's kind of in a box. i hope he will demonstrate his desire to get the wall done, do it responsibly, try to do it without violating the constitution or violating the expectations of the senate. this is not an easy situation. i hope the president will work with congress to get it done. i'm blaming the democrats for putting us in this situation right now. >> hmm. andy, i've been asking guests today whether any one of these three scenarios are possible and pick which you think may happen, those being a government shutdown, second that the president declares a national emergency or lastly the congress and the president reach a deal before they have that happens. do you want to pick what you think may happen of those three. >> a responsible legislative negotiation would say they should reach a deal. that would be the best solution

for everyone. everyone has to lose a little bit, but everyone would have a chance to say they won a little bit. that's the best answer. if the president's going to go with an executive order, i think he should go with it and see what happens even if the senate says they don't want you to do it, i think you should do it so that he can say he tried to do it. i don't know what the courts would finally rule but i don't think it's the best thing for america to go through and i don't think it's right to have a constitutional challenge that might diminish the role of what the president can do because right now, the expectation is the president would be able to use some kind of executive authority to address some of this. i'm for a strong presidential -- i like article 2 in the constitution. i've always been a fan of a strong presidency. but i think this time the line of expectation for what would be right is not there. so i'm cautioning the president. >> what about the state of the union speech on tuesday night, andy? early word is, it is going to be

about unity and coming together. is the president -- has he done anything to bring this country together? is he really the right voice to credibly pass along that message? >> well, the state of the union does not look like we're coming together. the state of the union looks like we're very tribal and not invite together other tribe. so i'm hoping the president will call for us to come together. i think it's going to be hard to demonstrate that's a viable option today. if the democrats could show they could come together and negotiate in good faith on a wall and border security and keeping the government open, he might have a more welcomed speech if he was trying to address that. so again, i kind of put the burden on the democrats more than the president for creating the climate we're in today. i didn't like that the president was all or nothing on the wall. i think he's dem mob straighted he's willing to accept something that would mean that we have a secure border and include walls and barriers at the right

places. and so he's moved a little bit. congress speaker pelosi in particular hasn't moved at all. i think that's a mistake. it's going to be an important speech. i'm not sure it's going to eliminate the tribalism that has been a cancer on our democracy right now. i'm hoping we can overcome that. >> andy, i want to ask you a bit a relative question to what's happening in virginia with the governor there. and this is a double standard question. it's addressing congressman steve king. he has an ethics complaint against him but not censured for his comments about white nationalism. when people say there's a double standard, is there any validity to had? >> steve king has been a controversial figure in this area of discussion for some time. and i know the hometown newspapers in his congressional district are saying he should resign. so there are people that are calling for him to resign. i think congress did the right thing in stripping him. he must have thought they were

doing the right thing because he voted for it himself. but clearly, he does not speak for the republican party. and i think the republican party has rebuked him appropriately in the senate, i mean in the house action that was taken by the republican leadership. so hopefully, steve king will end up doing the right thing. again, a decision to resign is always a personal decision. it shouldn't be a corporate decision. there are people causing for steve king to resign. that's happened in his own district with the media. but again, the governor's decision is a governor's decision. it's not going to be anybody else's. i think he should resign. >> we have one hour till he's expected to make a statement. andy card, always a pleasure to talk with you. thank you so much. >> thank you. 2020 hopes, elizabeth warren issues an apology for what next. issues an apology for what next.

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turning now to the 2020 democratic presidential field, senator kier steen gillibrand is kicking off her campaign in new hampshire today and senator sherrod brown who is gearing up for a potential run is in we wa. cory booker added his name to the list of hopefuls overnight.

>> i believe that we can build a country where no one is forgotten, no one is left behind. together, we will channel our common pain back into our common purpose, together america, we will rise. >> i'm cory booker and i'm running for president of the united states of america. >> joining me now, jacqueline alamani, theory of the "washington post"'s powerup newsletter and jane newton small contributor at "time" magazine. jane, cory booker based on what you heard in that announcement, do you think he's doing enough to differentiate himself from the other hopefuls. >> certainly he's got a unique background. people have likened him to barack obama. he's got this ivy league background. he got his start in urban areas. obviously as mayor of newark, new jersey. he's definitely the first bona

fide social media star. he was out there on twitter plowing the drive of anybody quite literally anybody who tweeted at him during snowstorms about ten years ago when twitter was first around. but i think look, cory's got an uphill battle for name recognition for people to understand where he's coming from and also just to distinguish himself in the field to say that he's not just an urban candidate. he's going to represent rural areas, as well particularly in early states like iowa and new hampshire. coming in now trying to distinguish himself from the sort of far left candidates like elizabeth warren, like bernie sanders, i think he's trying to tack more to the center, trying to say i'm a little bit different here. that seems to be his strategy. >> interestingly, in an interview with "face the nation," the president was asked about booker's bid for president. listen to what he said. >> senator cory booker announced he's also running. >> he's got no chance.

>> no chance. >> i say no chance. >> why? >> because i know him. i don't think he has a chance. >> do you make of that? >> you never know with this president whether he's saying things self-preservation or in order to bait someone into running or not running. but he did compliment kamala harris earlier this week with his interview in the "new york times" and then took another jab at elizabeth warren saying that her, quote unquote, pocahontas trap was detrimental to her campaign. one of the problems, booker is going to face in the primary at least is criticisms of being too aligned with wall street and with corporate interests. in 2017, notably, he voted against a bill put forth by senator klobuchar and bernie sanders that would lower prescription drug prices, voted in line with republicans. and so i think especially where you see a bunch of candidates running to the left like obviously cory booker is ahead of the pack when it comes to oeshl issues but i think when it

comes to issues like medicare and not necessarily supporting private insurance and not supporting the abolition of private insurance, he might face questions at least in the primary. >> interesting, jay, you mentioned biz warren who is still trying to put the whole dna stuff behind her -- >> do you think she has to work even more to smooth this over? >> if a few people said thanks for apologizing and it did smooth some ruffled feathers. but people did say it wasn't enough. we still are not appeased. we still are not happy with you took the test. we still are not happy with this and it has donnie norp mus damage. if you look at the first 12 hours of her online announcement to her candidacy, she raised about $300,000 in comparison to the million harris raised and

the energy isn't there by comparison i think in large part due to the controversy around the dna test. >> last question to you, jacqueline. kirsten gillibrand has said that the fact that 18 of her bills passed under a republican congress problems her ability to work in bipartisan fashion. agreed? >> this you know, this issue of whether or not it's a strength or a weakness of these democratic candidates to be able to work with republicans is a fascinating litmus test playing out. something i wrote about earlier this week is how howard schultz's candidacy is sort of a precursor for the way some of more moderate campaigns might play out and how they might be projects -- rejected by progressives. you know, there are candidates who like joe biden who have said it is a strength i can work with the republicans but there is too much appetite for bipartisanship at the moment. it remains to be seen whether

that is going to be a winning talking point. >> jacqueline alemany, thank you so much. virginia's embattled governor is going to hold a news conference about 45 minutes from now regarding that racist photo he now says does not include him. the media will get its first chance to explain how he could admit to being in the photo yesterday and yet deny it today. admit to being in the photo yesterday and yet deny it today. o switched from geico to esurance saved an average of $412," you probably won't believe me. but you can believe this, real esurance employee nancy abraham. look her up online. esurance, it's surprisingly painless.

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florida, thousands of anti-maduro demonstrators are rallying to support for the u.s. actions on venezuela. marianna atensio is joining us from doral, florida. talk about what you're seeing and hearing from the folks on the ground. >> reporter: alec, it's a little loud. so bear with me. there are hundreds of venezuelan expats here in doral, florida, shouting what do we wan for venezuela. freedom, that is what they're chanting now. the largest enclave of venezuelans in the united states and many of them are watching what is happening back home and feel hope that they tell me for the first time in many, many years, namely they say because of the role that the united states has taken and what the trump administration is doing. yesterday mike pence was here in doral, florida and told a crowd of venezuelan community leaders and exiled politicians that "all options are still on the table

regarding venezuela," and that ma do your row better not test the resolve of the united states of america. for many of the folks here who have left this year and many years ago because remember, the maduro/chavez administration, this has been 20 years in the making. many tell me they're starting to have these considerations in their homes whether they're going to go back or not. there's also, alex, a sense of uncertainty how this will ultimately fold and play out down in venezuela. today, a day where we're seeing hundreds of thousand of people backing interim president juan guaido and nicholas maduro holding a valley of his own in carac caracas. >> thank you so much. we'll let you go. it is loud there. thank you. roger stone is doing a lot of talking how far will a judge go to keep him quiet. >> keep him quiet. >> truecar is great for finding new cars.

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democratic governor ralph northam is preparing to make a statement about that racist yearbook photo. the news conference is slated at just over a half an hour from now. the spokeswoman for northam is telling nbc news he will not be

resigning. back with me is my panel. i'm giving you each one question. is there anything northam can say that will explain his shifting positions on that photo? >> no, absolutely not, alex. even if he does attempt to explain the photo as jonathan pointed out, what about the yearbook from his military career it titled him as coonsman. how do you explain that? >> what kaley are you listening for during his remarks? >> for a resignation. that racist image is no explanation for it. there's no explanation that it existed on his yearbook page for four decades. he should have stepped down earlier this week. nothing sort of a resignation is acceptable and the people of virginia deserve better.

>> what do you think the statement is all about for northam? do you think he sees some way to hang on to the governorship or might he be able to go out on a positive note by saying i'm stepping aside, i realize what has happened here, i want to do this for the good of virginia and the democratic party? >> i don't think we should prejudge what he has to say. maybe he has something new to offer. >> that's true. i know you don't want to jump in on a frenzy. >> i'm reluctant. i didn't think al franken should have resigned as soon as he did and i don't like these feeding frenzies. having said that, you know, the balance of the evidence suggests that he should resign, i think, you know, he's entitled to say his peace at this press conference and i don't think it's a very consistent position for kaley to make excuses for steve king -- >> i didn't make excuses for

steve king. he was condemned. he was conz-emd. >> he did not resign. >> look, can i -- >> he talked about white supremacy -- >> ridiculous. he was stripped of his committee. >> not from 25 years ago. >> he should have been forced to leave congress. >> steve king is a racist now and you don't want him to resign. >> he was condemned. you won't condemn rashida tlaib. you won't condemn her anti-semitism. >> it is what it is. guys, always appreciate your spirit. >> we tried, alex. >> it's good. ken dysis here and he's like it's my term and i got to get going. virginia's governor is putting up a fight for his job, that's for sure but how long will he stick it out? these techs in a lab. this builder in a hardhat... ...the welders and electricians

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