that's a wrap for me on this hour of "weekends with alex witt." i'll see you all at noon eastern. stay tuned. it's time for "up with david gura." good morning, this is "up." i'm david gura. virginian ralph northam saying he's not going anywhere, denying he's the man in this photo from his 1984 yearbook. >> i believe then and now that i am not either of the people in that photo. >> president trump joining the ranks of those calling for northam's resignation as he gets ready to deliver the state of the union on tuesday night. >> i really think it's going to be a speech that's going to cover a lot of territory. >> the title of the speech, according to the white house is "choosing greatness." democrat stacey abrams will deliver the democrats' response.

it's become a rallying cry for 2020 hopefuls. medicare for all. >> people will say medicare for all and nothing will ever change. >> it is february 3rd, and needy remind you, it's super bowl sunday. >> during the super bowl people will take shots. at home people will take shots and keep taking shots. >> and during the super bowl, fans will hold up giant foam fingers. during the state of the union, nancy pelosi will hold up a finger. >> former director of strategic communications frr hilton for america and a founder for the voter protection action fund. i want to start in commonwealth of virginia this morning. almost everyone in the democratic establishment is calling for virginia's governor

to resign. ralph northam made a complete u-turn yesterday denying he appeared in that racist yearbook photograph. >> when i was confronted with the images yesterday, i was appalled that they appeared to my page, but i believe then and now that i am not either of the people in that photo. >> governor northam again apologized but then he admitted to using blackface to impersonate michael jackson. >> i had the shoes, i had a glove, and i used just a little bit of shoe polish to put on my cheeks. >> you danced the moon walk? >> that's right. >> are you still able to moon walk? >> my wife says inappropriate circumstances. >> lieutenant governor justin fairfax has not called for northam's resignation, but the

virginia legislative black caucus has. also along with two governor chairmen and former nominee hillary clinton. donald trump is calling it unforgivable. ed gillespie must now be thinking malpractice and dereliction of duty with regard to his opposition research staff. let me get your reaction to what we saw unfold in the capital of virginia yesterday. there were the protests in the morning. we had these two statements, one in print, one on video. rumors the governor would speak. we got this press conference and it was a wild ride. >> unequivocally ralph northam has to resign. if i were he, i would do it on super bowl sunday and hope it gets drowned in the melee of the big game. he's lost the capacity to be effective and the institution of the state of virginia as

governor. effectively there is no one in charge. he has lost the moral capacity to lead, the moral authority to lead, if you will. he is a standing bearer in the democratic party. we are a party of diversity, both democratic diversity and idealogical diversity. i am fine with a new black line rule. no blackface. no blackface at any time in your life. you cannot do something that fundamentally dehumanizes, demoralizes and degrades black people in this country and then have the authority to make policy and we can trust you to make policy that has an effect over real outcomes in people's lives. he has to resign. he deferred a little bit and not really owning the responsibility. the moon walk moment was really the dereliction of duty responsibility claiming here, and he has to go. >> adrian, your reaction to all of this? what do you think the governor was trying to do? he quickly responded to the

photograph on friday night. was it at all what you expected would happen yesterday? >> no, it wasn't at all. he did quickly respond and tried to take responsibility for the fact that he wasn't sure which of the people was him in the photograph, but he did take responsibility and say, i apologize for this, this was a different time, i was a different person, i want to learn from this. but then he came out yesterday and said actually, i don't think i was one of the people in the photo. the bottom line is he can no longer effectively govern. so take away the fact that this is so unpolitically correct, this is so -- this is not what we expect from our elected leaders. look at the fact that he can no longer effectively govern. he has no respect from the virginia legislature. he's been called by everybody, i think it was tim kaicane and ma warner after the press conference, and they came forward and said actually it's time for you to go. he can no longer govern.

>> we could fill up the whole hour of me reading every name, every person that came out and said he should step down. >> i think we all agree in terms of being able to effectively govern and lead, but i want to highlight a few other things. one, that the reason why in talking about someone could have in their past being in blackface and things of that nature, the difference in terms of leadership is not only taking responsibility but not only just taking responsibility when you get caught. so he had an opportunity, knowing about this past in his history, to be up front, particularly in the state we are in this country to be up front and say, i did this, and in the context of now, and thinking about having conversation with my black friends, knowing that this is not how a leader should conduct themselves. then being able to take the country into a leadership and be a leader in that instance and

talk about, yes, i've done these things in the past. here's why i know it's not what i should have done. i apologize for it, and this is ho how we can move forward to make sure institutions and young white men across the country maybe won't do this in the future. the difference is maybe you have things in your past you have done that are racist or things like that, that the moment you become a leader is by taking ownership not when you get caught but by using it as a moment to uplift. i don't not only trust him any longer with the effectiveness of him leading, it was also during the press conference where it then also became a joke, something saying looking around to see if he could still moon walk, this is not a joke, this is not funny. so, again, i then don't trust and i don't believe you, because you're still trying to make a mockery of the situation.

>> joe, there is a line we saw the government make yesterday, that is, if he can rectify the situation and have a conversation about this moment and what it means. your reaction to that and just help us where this is happening. you had obama saying the era was dead. the state had moved on. >> the history of virginia and the capital confederacy jur, ju year ago, almost, we had this eruption in charlottesville where there were people marching on the emancipation of the slaves. as much as we would like to think as a culture in society we have moved on from these painful, shameful episodes in our past, we haven't. i think what is so troubling for a lot of democrats watching this

governor of a purple state, a state that's changing demographically, to have a democratic governor there representing the confederacy of the -- representing the old capital of the confederacy, it's a big deal. but he hasn't -- frankly, he looked like a clown yesterday saying, i'm sorry -- wait, no, it's not me, but i did use blackface when i was dressing up as michael jackson, and yes, i can still moon walk, having to look to his wife for reassurance about whether or not that's an appropriate thing to say on an occasion like this. it's the leadership or lack thereof that he's demonstrated over the last 48 hours that i think says volumes about who he really is. >> can i ask both of you about the culture this has happened, yes, in virginia but also in the democratic party. democrats in the trump era have adopted a zero approach in conduct involving race and

gender. donald, let me start with you. your reaction to this. >> at this point there is a very low barrier entry to call for him to resign, but i'm okay with that. the cool man can't be governor. >> this is reportedly his nickname? >> yes. self-styled cool man. he chose to identify himself as that in the yearbook. i'm not making this up. cool man, vice governor and governor. there is time for reclamation as we try to move to a unified community. it's a privilege and has to be earned every day and it's a revokable privilege. so we need to ask you to step aside so we can focus and heal and figure out how to make it a just party. >> the list runs long from local officials to nationally elected

officials as well. >> we certainly can't expect, if year going to criticize republicans for this, as democrats we can't defend our own when they make these mistakes. the other thing we have to keep in mind here is that the governor of virginia serves one term. the day that governor northam became governor was the first day that he became lame duck, right? there is no recourse in the sense of voters saying, we're not going to reelect you again. he either has to resign or he'll get impeached. incumbent on him in this day and age, especially given all the racial strife taking place in virginia, that estep down. to your point we've got a great number two right under ralph northam which is lieutenant governor justin fairfax, african-american, who has made it clear that he's ready to step up to the plate. >> that he's lame duck on day one gives him a hubris, don't it? there is nothing to lose here by staying on. yes, there could be an

impeachment proceeding and we'll see how that goes, but it comes with confidence that he doesn't have to worry about reelection? >> yes, he could certainly stay, i guess, although i think it's been made pretty clear that he will be impeached if he does not choose to resign, but that's why he should resign, because the voters do not have a choice in this except for the fact they have to rely on their current elected officials to impeach him if they don't want him in office any longer. >> there was that statement from the lieutenant governor. he did not call specifically for ralph northam's resignation. what do you make of that, that he hasn't joined the long list? >> i completely understand as someone who has run with him and is leading with him and in the ongoing conversations that he is no doubt having with the governor going forward addressing this. i think his statement was very clear in not only condoning the actions of -- i'm careful not to use the word "mistakes" because these are deliberate actions by

people, these are not mistakes that we try to brush off as that, but they're deliberate actions. this is not an action of a seven or eight-year-old without context. this is a grown-up man. i think for the lieutenant governor to be able to say and stand in his own independent truth and say i condone these and wait for the governor to make the decision, which he ultimately should come to. we'll come back and talk a little more about this. the governor adamant he wasn't the man pictured in the 1984 yearbook photo. northam's 1984 defense. >> resign! resign! resign! resign! >> no! no!

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in the place and time where i grew up, many actions that we rightfully recognize as abhorrent today were commonplace. >> virginia governor ralph northam defending his use of blackface in 1984, saying it was a different time and different place. 1984 was not 1954 which launched the rights movement in a historic ruling. in 1984 many of americans were tuning in to watch america's dad, bill cosby. michael jackson became a

cultural icon, winning eight grammys. jesse jackson finished third in the democratic primary, running a platform that was almost exclusively based on race, and nbc's sitcom "give me a break" equating blackface to using the "n" word in 1984. >> what did you want? >> look what you did to this child! >> aunt nell, i'm getting dizzy. >> i never thought that i would live to see the day that you would use the word [ bleep ]. >> nell, that's horrible. i would never say that. >> well, you might as well have. >> 33 years later, americans elect elected barack obama.

here's what he had to say about race. >> i believe politics at its best is not based on identity politics, but it's based on a sense that everybody should have a fair shot and everybody should get a fair shake, everybody should be responsible for doing their fair share. >> don, i'm going to start with you, using the mechanism to go back to 1984. in the history of this country, not a whole long time ago. >> not long ago at all. i remember my parents taking me to see jesse jackson and the hope it was a new day here. but being a man of the times doesn't mean you get to be governor at this time. let's be very clear about that. whatever you did does not give you a mandate to continue to have the privilege to lead and serve in this time we're in now.

times are changing and you have to keep up with them. i just find it so funny that he said he wasn't really in this picture and he might not have been the guy in blackface with the klansman. i did this a lot but i don't know if i was this guy this night. wea we've been discussing this in highbrow terms, but you've got to go, dude. clearly, you regularly got down with klan uniforms, clearly you regularly know, oh, it's hard to get shoe polish off you. i don't know if it's hard to get shoe polish off you. i don't do that and i polish my shoes every sunday. i dress like lou hobbs every halloween. i've never felt inclined to go large on the whiteout or white kiwi. in every way he continues to defend it, it just looks worse and worse, and he continues to seed the moral ground and actual capacity to lead, like adrian

said. get out of here. >> it's always a different time because it's an excuse, right? so whenever it is, you can be in 1984 or 1954 or 1854 and say, oh, it's just the time. but in leadership it requires you to take accountability and responsibility. even if you have those things in your past, you have to take responsibility for that and you have to think about being in this leadership position, who am i accountable to? i'm accountable to the voters and the people of virginia. can i serve them? can i best serve them in the capacity that i am in now given what has happened? and i don't see any other person who is a sane leader saying that i have to step aside. that is the best thing to do as a leader is recognizing within yourself when you lack the capacity to do the job in stepping aside. that is a true test of leadership. >> i want to get in on the history here.

something we've heard from ralph northam is about his growth. in his initial statement he talked about that, going into the military, becoming a doctor, his career in public service. he talked about all that. he doesn't talk about the catalyst when all of that happened, i suppose, but what do you make of him going back to 1984 saying these were different times? >> i think it's just another example of his lack of understanding the seriousness of the situation and how you respond when you're accused of something this egregious. not to look at it crassly from a message management perspective, because this is different from just a message, but he's demonstrated a complete hand-fistedness here in how h'sz handled the entire thing against him here. people have said i'm reserving

opinion, but as far as i know, he's been an effective leader. as i said earlier, it's really a question ultimately right now of leadership and his ability to really demonstrate that. >> adrian, a huge question in all of this, i think, is what the hell was happening in northern virginia in 1984. i'm reading a statement from that school, the picture is shockingly abhorrent and absolutely antithetical to the principles, morals and values we hold and espouse of our educational and research institution and our professions. racism and discrimination in any form is not acceptable. >> i grew up in a small town. >> i can tell. a little bit of an accent there.

>> i don't recall blackface being an issue. that was not happening in my small town in arkansas. this was not something i was aware of until i got older. what was going on there? the thing that still continues to bother me with other things in this whole situation is that he doesn't remember if he was in the photo, which tells me that he probably was involved in many other incidences in this realm because he just doesn't remember. so, again, i don't know what was going on back there. even if that was the norm, even if that was something that he felt like he had to do to be part of the social fabric of his medical school, which seems crazy to me, don't go along with it. we expect a lot more out of our leaders, we expect a lot more out of our elected officials. why do we want somebody like that who would go along with whatever the social norms were at the time serving as governor of virginia. >> you can have the last word here. >> i was kind of joking earlier but there is a very frightening practical element here. these were medical students.

there are at least three dressed as klansmen in uniforms, another person in blackface that we saw. what happens to the medical profession in the next 35 years? we know that everything we do we bring biases for better or worse. we know there are tremendous health disparities based on race that are pernicious, sometimes based on bias. women gave birth under these doctors who just six months before they started practicing law were dressing in blackface and dehumanizing african-americans. i'm not the medical expert here, but it certainly should be noted why we're having the discussion. >> we'll have you step aside and take a donut with you. who could forget marco rubio's awkward water bottle

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this is "up." i'm david gura. president trump will finally deliver his state of the union address on tuesday night. the president says he will use

that opportunity to lay out a unifying vision for the nation. >> i really think it's going to be a speech that's going to cover a lot of territory, but part of it is going to be unity. >> part of it, at least. stacey abrams will deliver the official democratic response. she narrowly lost the governorship in virginia last year. it is a risky endeavor matched by elegance or blunder. here is a shadow for you from the past. >> like many american hometowns, fall river has faced its share of storms. but the people here are tough. >> i'm a proud democrat. but first and foremost, i'm a proud republican and democrat and mostly american. >> nothing has frustrated me more than false choices like the one the president laid out tonight. the choice isn't just between big government or big business.

>> good evening and happy mardi gras. >> families in the gulf coast see that as they wait to rebuild their lives. americans who lose their jobs see that as they look to rebuild their careers. >> joining me at the table, chris watts, national security analyst. jeremy, i read your piece so i'll start with you. leet start with the response, the selection of stacy abrams who ran for governor. >> don't do it, stacy. >> what are the perils of this? tim cain was raised to another platform. is this a loss? >> it's the kiss of death. it's just such a relic. at this point why bother? it really is a relic when equal time mattered. you would give the president a chance to respond, then you give the opposition a chance to respond. this is what the network had to

do. so now in the era of social media, the internet, when anybody can get on line and speak to their audience, something like this is a little outdated. also, if you want to be a little suspicious about it, does look to be the career kiss of death. bob dole gave it yeethe year he lost the presidential election, it's just not something you can ever recall elevating someone's career. it's ain't great platform. you just look diminished, too. next to the president of the united states, speaking in the chamber of the house of representatives, it's a very grand, magnificent setting, and then you go to somebody sitting on a picnic table in, like, a cafeteria somewhere. it's very bizarre. >> about this pick, chuck schumer saying in a statement

about this, stacey abrams received justice for everyone in her state. she was asked to do this three weeks ago. i guess people will see her in a commercial for voting rights this weekend. she has national recognition, doesn't she, at this point? >> and don't put too much pressure on her. i actually previously had said that democrats should have given that spot to either stacey or andrew or someone else who was actually running for governor to sort of help elevate and demonstrate what the future and present -- the present and future of the democratic party is to sort of help boost name recognition and to talk about that. i mean, there is no secret i'm a huge supporter of stacey, right, so i believe she's going to meet the moment and really communicate exactly what she did on the ground in georgia when

she was running for governor to be able to communicate a message of what the party is of investing and supporting not only people of color, not only people in rural parts of the country, not people who are struggling, people who are middle class. i believe she'll be able to rise to that moment and bring it together. i have complete faith and confidence in you, stacey. >> clint, it's like an entire prime timeline-up on tuesday. stacey abrams and california attorney general is going to speak. what are you going to be looking for? maybe the usefulness of speeches like these are diminished. >> i think the formula is dead. set speech, set speech. why would you even respond to the president. everything he said is true. he said it's going to be about unity. leet see if we've united all these kids down at the border.

i would be down at the border. i wouldn't even do a formal location. she does great when she's out in the crowds, when she's talking about issues. i feel like the democrats are still trying to played old game. >> they're like, let's get chuck and nancy together on the podium together, stacey abrams when she's out with the people, it's working. the. but they need to abandon the old sort of way of doing these things. if she does that, i think she could win in this case. >> facebook live or from studio 8 perspective, what do you recommend? >> i want to back up a little

bit with democrats giving the response and republicans giving the response when barack obama was president. but this is national television. it can't go unresponded to, and with all due respect to radio and television, doing a five-minute interview with a reporter after the speech is not the same as giving a 15 or 20-minute response, whatever the timing is. i agree that going to a place that really matters, that is front and center, a place that's controversial in the trump administration like the border or some of these lower income areas. i think when you're out with the people, that's a good visual ba backdrop you should have, but i think the governor of kentucky made a response in a diner. you have to do something natural to you, but i agree stacey abrams will do a wonderful job. >> for those of you who know,

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others, like senator kamala harris like we just saw, want to broaden it to cover everyone. andy is administrator for health care services. andy, i want to pull something up on the screen here from the kaiser federation. 56% say they support medicare for all, but when you say private insurance may go away under medicare for all, only 37% support this. help us with the definition here, because i think that's key. what seems to be tripping up a lot of candidates is what would happen to private health insurance. would it necessarily have to go away if there were medicare for all? >> let's break this down. the democratic position, and i think the position you're seeing in these polls, is that everybody should have access to health care. now, medicare for all is a way of doing that, so the argument you're having about medicare for all versus some other ways to get to universal coverage is an

argument about how, not necessarily an argument about what. it's like saying, i want the sky to be blue. it's very, very gray right now, and then having an argument over is it sky blue versus royal blue, which blue do you like better? we have a sky now that's very, very gray. we have a president that wants to repeal every single word of the aca, he just said he wants it to be terminated, he's trying to get rid of preexisting conditions, so on and so forth cforth. then you have the democrats whose position is very, very close and they have to figure out what does it mean to be very, very close and what's the journey to get there? >> i know there have been studies on what this would cost. tell us what this would mean for the bottom line if something like this were to be put in place. >> i think this is where different views, different positions will have different costs. so if you were to, for example,

offer everybody in the country an opportunity to buy into an affordable plan, like medicare or medicaid, but also allow people who like the coverage they get from their employer to keep it, that would have a cost that would be, i think, considered quite manageable in the context of the u.s. budget. if you were to say that americans were going to get all their health care, medical, dental, vision, behavioral health care for free, zero co-payments and no deductibles, that's obviously very, very expensive. within that spectrum, i think there is a variety of strategies how one might pay for those things, and one who i believe feels very strongly about this is bernie sanders and his folks. they've done a study. they believe there are things that can be done to pay for something that expensive. but i think in the main, most of the proposals you'll see, and there are about seven or eight proposals in the congress right now, are much more expensive

than that. >> adrian, help us with the divine, michael bloomberg talking about the practice -- practicality of kamala harris saying this is what we want to do. what are you seeing here? >> i think you're seeing the moderate wing of the congressional congress versus the progressive wing. many democrats want medicare for all and andy hit it on the head why. people are very concerned about their medical costs. voters want medicare for all because they're concerned about taking care of their parents if something were to happen. they may have to drop out of college, they may have to drain money from their family. there are reasons why people

want medicare for all, but at the same time, there are proposals throughout that would escalate the national debt, and i think what's also struggling is the polls that concerns them, but now they're concerned with everything else. it will be interesting to see how this shakes out, but it will be difficult for a candidate out there who doesn't support some kind of medicare for all. >> the rest of the panel is going to stick around, and up next, how the biggest sport of the year cannot escape controversy. ♪ and saying, "really?" so capital one is building something completely new. capital one cafes.

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rihanna turned down an opportunity to perform at the halftime show citing support of the former quarterback. since launching his protest in 2016 kaepernick has filed a grievance against the league saying owners have colluded to keep him out of the game. it's a topic roger goodell addressed in a news conference this week. >> i think if a team decides that copp that kaepernick can help their team win, that's what they'll do. >> here's his attorney firing back during an appearance on "today." >> the commissioner was roasted appropriately on social media yesterday. anybody who believes that will believe that mark sanchez was a better choice or some of the other how should i put it delicately, people who were well past their prime that were signed this year. >> the twisting of the screw there. >> let me start with clint

watts, devoted patriots fan. margaret brennan sits down with the president. a lot of this will air tonight during the super bowl. what you see is like what we saw with the daily caller. lead the horse to water trying to make him eat and drink. do you take credit for the diminished credits. he didn't. he takes three or four questions before he gives the quote i read. your reflection on what we've seen over the course of the season wen hen we reflect on th protests and how the president of the diets dealt with it. >> you never know his position. i think the disappointment i have with it is the president puts himself into everything, and nothing in america can exist now without the president somehow involving himself and making it about him. i know for me when this controversy flared up, i struggled with this question.

do i take a knee or not? then it's like i'm either choosing president trump or kaepernick if i take a knee. for me standing up for the national anthem is a lot about my military service. it has nothing to do with these two individuals. i want to support kaepernick. i know for young black men the idea that you're in equal danger of being shot by a police officer of somebody on the street is a serious issue we need to deal with, but if i go the other way i'm in a confusing trap by standing up supporting president trump. who i disagree with vehemently. we're in this weird situation. how do we take a next step forward? i want the support the issues around law enforcement and how we do it directly. i work with state and local law enforcement and have for decades. i know there's issues there. i don't know how to move forward in that. at the same point with kaepernick, do i think he's

better than a lot of the quarterbacks back there? yes. and goodell didn't say it's about money. is it about winning or the entire package? i think that's what trump created very well. >> talk about the protests and how it's evolved over the last two years. >> it has evolved. and some players have chosen to end the protest and some artists are choosing to perform at the super bowl. i think kaepernick did his job in that he called the world's attention to a moment which has become a movement. and collin kaepernick will live on in a vaunted place. much respect to him. i'm disapointed in roger goodell. if it's a lie, we're going to fight on that lie slim charles side. it was a lie from the beginning that kaepernick cannot help a

team. as a matter of fact, let's hire to give us research to support what we want to do one way or toot. it's a lie. i'd like to point out that kaepernick is not the only reason to fall back from supporting the nfl. the nfl has known for generations that cte is a serious issue. they have covered it up. they have had terrible labor relations practices respect to player help on an ongoing basis, and these men are becoming debilita debilitated. there are a myriad of issues with this troubled league. >> i mentioned cardi b saying she's not going to perform, rihanna as well. >> i would agree that i think that collin did what he -- he took the option that he was in the position to do at that particular time. and you mentioned trying to decide do i join the protest?

what do i do in this action if i still care about the issue? one of the things we talk about in the movement is you act where you are. and what you have the capacity and the moral high ground to do. and so he being in the nfl being a player and being able to say by me taking this risk and doing this action will draw attention which attention is part -- attention on an issue is part of the cycle after advocacy, and he's done that. now we continue to support him in his efforts against this organization which not only in addition to that, the way they treat cheer leaders and have handled domestic violence issues. he's done his job and we continue to do our job. >> do you see the president moving away from that? >> no. it's been a thing of fascination and curiosity for me. >> it's about him, ultimately, but it's also a classic us versus them. two americas. donald trump in his mind and to a lot of his followers represents the patriotic

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photo in question yesterday, i was seeing it for the first time. i believe then and now that i am not either of the people in that photo. >> it was a stunning reversal on back to back covers. sorry, it's not me. well, he's disputing he wear back face. he is admitting to appearing in it in a dance competition in texas that same year. >> that same year i did participate in a dance contest in san antonio in which i darkened my face as part of a michael jackson costume. i had the shoes. i had a glove. and i used just a little bit of shoe polish to put on my cheeks and the reason i used a very little bit is because i don't know if anybody ever tried that, but you cannot get shoe polish off. the governor rejecting calls to

resign. mark warner and bobby scott all democrats from virginia join a long list of democrats calling on northam to step down. president trump also weighing in on twitter calling the whole episode unforgivable following that up with another tweet lamenting the terrible photo was not found before the election. up with me this hour, professor, eddie glodd, alexa mccammen, rashad robinson. let me start with rashad and get your reaction to that whip saw we saw in richmond over the last 38 hours to that press conference in particular. i think there was a lot of expectation he would be saying something different. >> i guess he's working out communication staff, without political staff. sort of -- >> common sense. >> any common sense. or any trust that the public has

common sense. the ways in which this story has changed and evolves, the fact that he really hasn't been able to describe the nickname of coonman that he had in undergrad nature that makes us believe that he had an act of mocking and degrading people. whether it was dressing up like black folks or mocking black folks in a certain way, that this was part of what his act was. he's not given us any reason to have another story other than don't believe what i said yesterday. believe that i said today. that's simply not going to fly. the fact of the matter is that we should be in a space to forgive. we should be in a space to move on. that's not actually -- but forgiveness has to come with you actually having a mea culpa. you talking us through how you've changed. that's not what's happened here.

he's got to go. there's no way that for the next couple years of his administration that he can lead. that he's going to be able to move the policies forward. >> alexa, i imagine you covered crazy press conferences. what do you make of the political calculation he's making at this point? he seems to be in some isolation in the executive mansion in virginia. >> i've never seen a lawmaker use the shaggy, it wasn't me defense in trying to make sense of their abhorrent actions. i don't know if there's a lot of political calculus other than he knows he'll never get elected to another form of public office again. maybe he's thinking he will try to ride this out for as long as possible given that. i'm glad you brought up this idea of dehumanizing folks. we focus a lot on politicians saying or doing racist things. we need to focus the ways on which they reinforce structural racism in different ways in

policies or dehumanizing. it makes it easier to turn us into objects and stop us from voting and unlawfully killing us at traffic sops. and certainly when he was dressing how he was dressing in that yearbook photo, that's something we should question when we're questioning lawmakers and their press conferences and the way they're not just saying or racist things but the way they're upholding racist institutions and structures that are keeping us so far down from everyone else. >> on the scale of surprise, how surprised were you that this happened in 1984. that it would be included in the yearbook in the way that it was as a subject of derision, that he elected to put that photograph in there? >> well, i must admit i was a bit surprised. i mean, what, black folk voted for him, 87 %, and it was precisely because of the

increase in our turnout in the virginia elections that he ascended to the office. i'm not surprise bid td by the that photographs like that exist. that they are in yearbooks across the country. and let's be clear. racism is not the sole possession of the republicans. it saturates the society whether it's loud racists or the kind of quiet set of commitments that reproduce inequality held by liberal -- we're either bigger thomas or willie horton. by our environment in need of mission tear help or we're just by nature inclined to be who we are. and so i think this is an example of why racism persists in this country. it's not just simply about folk who are screaming for the wall. it's not simply about folk who are yelling. it's about the habits. the way in which our culture

works that reproduces certain kinds of beliefs and assumptions about people of color that then evidences itself in our arrangements. and it also reflects how deeply segregated we are. in our intimate spaces we're not interacting with each other. we don't know each other. i'm a professor at an elite school, but in my social spaces they look just like they looked when i was in mississippi. i think that's precisely -- not precisely. it's part of the backdrop, i think, to this comedy of errors in some ways. >> mike, i want to get your perspective as what we see as an expectation of absolution. he talked about his record. he carried a lot of the african american vote. we heard him speaking out after charlottesville about what took place there. there was, again, i think an expectation that all of that could obscure what happened in 1984. >> i'm sympathetic to the fact

that a public official would say look at my policies and my policies are ones that have more or less advanced the black agenda. virginia is pretty great when it comes to voting rights. a couple things just strands of this that strike me. one, the poor wife. that act of contrition forced to stare at the husband. and that clip you played of when he was talking about putting shoe polish on my face because you know that doesn't come out. what was he trying to do with that? create a human moment of connection, because i would guess most of us don't know that or shouldn't. i don't know what's in his heart, and i would not say if 98% of the black leaders of the country want him to step down that he shouldn't. i think there's a space for the question of legitimately saying 35 years ago i did wrong, and maybe even 35 years ago i was racist, but here's how i'm not now. we're judging this against the

way he conducted his press conference which is to not say that. i just wonder if there is a way to say that in 2019. and maybe there shouldn't be. maybe we should be saying you know what? there are some bridges too far and as a society we're standing up or even as a democratic party we're standing up. you're either the party of this or not. and sorry if because you were a racist in 84, we'll forgive you, but you have to do it outside the governor's mansion. >> some people were laughing at this image. they think it's still funny today. i was thinking back on "bamboozl "bamboozled". help me with that. the other reception of this photograph, the degree to which people think this is still something that's acceptable, that it's something they still think is funny. it is not playing universally, i think it's safe to say. >> we just had the megyn kelly

moment. we just had the major moment where during halloween there was this very high profiled person who gets to occupy a space on national tv that was confused and didn't see why it was a big deal. so yes, i do think we have lost a lot of our muscle in this country for sort of understanding the things that we think we've gotten over and to constantly have the conversations around race that need to be had so people do not forget the legacy and what is behind all these things. i do think that to your point, people should be able to be forgiven, but i think that there is this idea that black folks have this special gene that just because someone apologizes that we forget and move on and you can still be governor and everything is okay. that is not always with forgiveness is about.

sometimes it's about you taking the accountability and accepting the accountability for your actions. and maybe that means you can't be governor anymore and that you do the work over time to show that you are actually sorry, because this picture was exposed. he didn't -- it's been sitting in his yearbook for years. >> he didn't come out and say i did this 35 years ago. >> yes. he submitted it to his yearbook. whether it was him or not, he was okay with it being in his yearbook. he didn't protest it and ask for the yearbooks to be pulled back. he was fine with it until he got caught. and once he got caught, now this is a horrible thing, and it may or may not have been him, and all of that, for us, means that we have to be willing to move on. the larger conversation i also think to your point about the policies, and this comes up with steve king, and this comes up with northam. northam said that he was going to remove confederate statues

and he didn't. in fact, he's kind of a confederate shat chew of the pictures we now see of him. i do want to talk about some policies but there's also culture, and there's written rules and there's unwritten rules inspect on the unwritten rules of race, he's failed, and he cannot lead in a state that has such a history of racism and intolerance that just had what happened in charlottesville and heather higher being killed. he can no longer lead. we can no longer accept his leadership there. that's what needs to happen for the state to move forward. in all these moments, we also have to examine not just the words but the actions. >> i want to ask you what happens next? i want you to talk about the deafness of ralph northam. we saw it on display. there was an astonish line in the washington post about how he's thinking about hiring facial recognition experts to authenticate the fact that this isn't him on the premise you can

do that through a hood. i don't know. he still hadn't said who he is in this photo. how do you combat that? his deafness and how does this end? >> i think we call it for what it is. there's a kind of deafness to the reality at hand. i think if he had political handlers or communications folks, what he would have done because he's lost the moral authority to governor virginia. he could have give an speech about the state of race in virginia state and resigned. set the tone for the role in our history and its place now. >> and low and beloelhold you h the only black governor in the country. >> and the secretary of state in florida had to resign because he dressed in black face at a 2005 halloween party. we have precedent.

it reflects in some ways the depth of the lack of moral character in governor northam. how do we move forward? we take it out of his hands and we begin to have a conversation about where we are. what we need to do. right? there is a place for forgiveness. but it has to be forgiveness conditi within the context that black folk forgive white folk every time white folk do something. how do we get off the racial hamster wheel? part of that involves -- >> yeah. >> that's an important point. a resignation is only one end to this. it's not the end. we need to have not just a conversation in virginia but a national conversation. we need to have folks who are serving in public office step up and say i have black friends. i understand now why this is insensitive. read literature. spend time talking to other people. listening to other people. thinking critically about the decisions you made as a younger

person, not necessarily a young person at the time, but a younger person that are just abhorrent then and now, and don't rely on us, the people of color to explain it to you time and time again why your shoes about shoe polish on your face or black face or saying i have black friends is wrong. it's exhausting. and we are not the teachers for america. teach yourself. read literature. talk to people. listen, and be smarter than you're being. >> here here. coming up later, media blitz. the president taking to the air waves trashing nancy pelosi and the democrats addressing that emergency declaration will be declared in the state of the union on tuesday. new reporting from the white house on what we can expect next. uh-oh! guess what day it is??

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we're building the wall. it's getting built one way or not. >> there's not going to be any wall money in the legislation. >> having a national emergency helps the process. what would help a lot is if the democrats could be honest. >> i'm a mother of five, grandmother of nine. i know a temper tantrum when i knee one. >> i think she was very rigid, but i think she's bad for our country. >> what did he say today? it doesn't matter what congress does? i knew that he wanted it all to himself. >> we are two weeks away from the next funding deadline and the standoff on immigration is far from over. on tuesday the president gets his time behind the podium.

the white house says the speech will focus on unity in part bringing together a divided nagts, but it could be a tough sell. in face the nation, the president dismisses congressional talks over his border wall. he also says he'd like to keep a military base in iraq to, quote, watch iran. here's the quote. my intelligence people if they said iran is a wonderful kindergart kindergarten, i disagree. it's a vicious country that kills many people. we can get back to the kindergarten comment in a moment. you have the president going to a congress. he's all but dismissed when it comes to talks about immigration. we've just come out of a shutdown. in interviews this week he shows no optimism, no willingness to accept that that bipartisan group of 17 legislators will come up with anything he'll find palatable. >> i don't believe he's going to give a speech about unity. i don't think for a second

that's what he's going to do. i think we're going to hear rhetoric on the wall and rhetoric about the caravan. i think keep an eye on venezuela. that's going to be something we're going to hear about. i worry he's going to try to unite people by finding a common enemy in a foreign nation and for now it's venezuela. >> the title of the speech choosing greatness, according to whiteness. immigration, trade, infrastructure, health care, and national security. what's missing from that list? what do you make of the focus the white house has going into the speech? >> i think that it's a fine-sounding comprehensive list. i think infrastructure is interesting. that's something some of the more moderate members of the democratic party have been calling for. obviously health care is something democrats pushed into the 2018 midterms and won by talking about. lowering prescription drug costs. that's something democrats care about. immigration, he just -- he's been tweeting about this

conference committee and how they're not going to come up with anything, they're wasting their time. he's quickly realizing the limits to his power with the democratic-controlled house and congress. he's seeing how it's make him feel like he needs to take matters into his own hands. echoing with pelosi said. i knew he wanted this all to himself. for that reason, i would not be surprised if he looks more and more toward declaring a national emergency to solve this to find a way to fund a border wall and leave it up to congress to reopen the government without him. >> i think he's realizing nothing. i don't think he's a person who raz realizes it. this is just who he is. he won an election based on polarizing the country. he's going to keep doing it. the whole idea of a unity speech, he thinks he does that, and his version of unity is agree with me and we'll be unified. he would tell you his state of the union made those overtures. there's something interesting at play about the national

emergency. so i think if we could game this out maybe in a way that trump can't. i think the democrats should and will oppose it because it is an expansion, improper, unconstitutional expansion. i think if he gets a wall, it works out for everyone. it takes the funding off the table. the democrats can pound their fist and say this is wrong, and then legislation can happen. so maybe it's a win/win/win except for the long-term -- >> and it satisfies the fox news people. >> we have an expansion of executive power. the presidency has gone amuck. it will relieve one piece of tension only to unleash a deeper crisis that we're facing as a democracy. >> he's a walking glouerring constitution crisis. the question is how does one -- this is almost like a normal

constitutional crisis as opposed to the russian investigation, emoluments, which is a constitutional crisis we can't even conceptualize. >> but don't forget foreign nations. the headline you would read overseas if a state of emergency is declared and a major national speech, america is becoming like the rest of the world. countries that have these crises, silently wish for the military to step in. this is getting scary. >> i promise i go back to the kindergarten comment. he says that and margaret brennan's response is whoa, that's news. and i bring that up because i want to ask you to just share your observations of what we've seen about trump foreign policy. you bring up venezuela. they came up fast and furious. the administration all in on this regime change taking a position and not thinking it through. >> the apparatus around president trump is for conflict

overseas. look at his tweets. his tweets are -- >> i think it was written on a legal pad. he didn't get that. >> do you think he was smart enough or thought if i write 5,000 troops on a notebook, it's going to scare the venezuelan government? these guys are clowns about foreign policy. you cannot threaten to invade venezuela and expect it's not going to rock the region. you can't continue to play a game with the iranians when there was an agreement in place for denuclearization. the hard liners in iran won. they're going on tv every day saying see, you cannot trust america. any progress made internationally by president obama was unravelled. >> and the creation -- nerdy, european mechanism by which they can avoid the sanctions placed by the u.s. cal, coming back later in the show. state of the union is not the only major trump related event

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president trump and his former aidesconfidants. the state of the union on tuesday. paul manafort has a sealed hearing about his alleged lies on monday. then there's a two-for on friday. michael cohen set to testify in closed session before the house intelligence committee and roger stone facing a friday deadline to respond to a judge overseeing his case who is considering imposing a gag order. joining us now lisa green. lisa, let's start with roger stone and the gag order. there was a hearing with the judge in d.c. at the end of the week. laid out why it might happen. how difficult would this be to implement? how much optimism do you have one that one roger stone is going to adhere to a gag order? >> this weekend roger stone. one of many. one of many who i think will be reluctant to exceed to any request to keep his mouth shut. on the other hand he's got a trove of document -- the mueller

team has a trove of documentary evidence measured in terabytes. that suggests for people waiting for the final shoe to drop that we may have a while to go. stone caps a week where we've got manafort refusing to do -- it's like you had one job. just tell the truth, reduce your sentence. he can't seem to bring himself to do it. and michael cohen is going back to the congress to whom he lied for a second bite at the apple. i think in the end it's just a bunch of flawed witnesses and they all relate back to the central question what on earth are they doing lying? who are they protecting and what do they see as the consequences of telling the truth given the pressure on them to do so? >> let's talk about michael cohen. there's been so much back and forth about when this appearance is going to happen. he has a few weeks left before he's shipped up state to prison.

march 6th is when that has to happen. it's going to be in closed session. what do we know? there's the oversight committee that wants to talk to him. what do we know about what we could learn from him in the closed sessions. >> yeah. i will say one thing. testifying in front of the house intelligence committee in private is certainly different than testifying in front of the house oversight committee publicly. he obviously had reasons for denying that. but look, they want to know all the lies and payments and things that michael cohen was involved in that trump is claiming he doesn't know about. to your point about all the president's liars, michael cohen is perhaps one of the liars who knows about the president and did it professionally and personally and what his family. who knows more about the president and everything around him than probably anyone else in the president's orbit. i think democrats on this committee are going to be asking him about any numb of things. whether it's the payments or what happened during the pain or before that. the one interesting thing to my

understanding is there were previous agreements by the intel and oversight committees that will restrict the sort of questions they can ask. i think that will limit democrat's ability to ask him a range of these things because of the previously set agreements? >> what do we know about what's off the table and what's on? >> it's asymmetrical. there's no chance mueller's team is going to be shoveling off information to congressional hearings or congressional leader who is are running the testimony opportunities. and i think conversely, mueller can't have access to whatever cohen testifies about even if it's in private. it could be a net gain for team mueller if cohen offers, for example, there might be new evidence. congressional investigators could say michael cohen, what do you have to say about this. and if there's a nugget of new information, it can go to mule for he asks for it. >> we're headed down a road of what's going to be congressional

investigations on a lot of things. i'm hear for the congressional invests. we'll get to it eventually. watch for congressional hearings on the border. i think the mueller point here is that congress's job is to figure out what happened legally and illegally and short of illegality from this administration has there been wrong doing? has there been ethically and morally dubious things that have taken place in this country since donald trump was president? that's congress's job. look for that to come. i'm hear for the cohen hearings and for the -- i took a flame throw tore bolton last block. i'm hear for the steven miller conversations about what's been going on in the border. these are going to be important american moments. >> thank you. you've brought pastries. >> they're savory tonight. they are super loaded hjalepeno

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northam moments ago. cory booker, kamala harris calling for northam's resignati resignation. they're both running campaigns designed to win the black vote. they're on a collision course as they jostle for backing from the congressional black caucus. you have cory booker getting into this race. kamala harris getting in the race a week ago. this is a diverse pool of candidates. your reaction? there's been so much focus on the size of this pool. >> it's historic. it's actually an example that the democratic party as flawed as i think it is represents the country. in terms of the two-party system, it's more reflective of the diversity of the country. i think this historic primary suggests in interesting sorts of ways the effects of obama's years and demographic shifts happening across the country. there's still a lag. the way in which we talk about

the candidates as if kamala harris and cory booker both of whom i know. i know cory very well. as if they're the black candidates as opposed to people running with a policy agenda that can impact particular communities. black communities who are voting constituencies and acting and making decisions based upon their own needs in their own communities. >> as you listen to the conversations surrounding the candidates, does it sound different? >> it sounds different. i don't think that cory orca ma kamala or senator harris or booker is muting their racial identity. i think in so many ways they're following abrams lead. she did not leave the particularity of who she is in order to run. she came into the election as a black woman. she ran on an agenda without having to put that aside. i think what we saw with kamala harris announcing on mlk day and

booker announcing with the beginning of black history month and the anniversary of the sit-ins in north carolina, both of whom are going to be who they are and unlike what jimmy baldwin says, we have to wash ourselves blank in order to wash yourself -- >> i love it. >> mike, your reaction to this. >> i think that we've seen this throughout -- over the last 20 years when hillary clinton ran in 2008. she had to, perhaps, wash herself of her femininity. she got that advice, tone down the fact that you're a woman. now people are leaning into their identity, especially to appeal to the democratic base. i don't know if the democrats -- the democratic party is america. i think both parties are. we do -- we do live in a representative democracy, more or less. and there is the younger we are and so people under 18 can't

vote. they're more likely to be people of color. i do think that for the dynamics of this democratic race are such that at least having one if not two or three markers of identity will help you rather than hurt you. this is the first time that that is clear in the democratic race. i don't know if it's clear in the general election, but that's an interesting and notable thing, and it's shaping everything that we're seeing about how this 2020 election is turning out. >> alexi, i go back to the video, the add that cory booker made announcing his run. it was a unifying one. he talked about ambitious goals for the country being something else. i'm not going to say it. better angels, because i feel like that's the line of the year with apologies to mr. meacham. what do you make of that? the degree to the vein of optimism? >> i think that's one way booker is trying to differentiate

himself, but it's being true to himself. in conversations i've had with him, everyone knows him as this sort of, i think, i don't know if kellyanne conway said it was a hallmark card, but it's like this idea of having not just sound bites but he's coming from a place of optimism in a time when he feels like the country is divided maybe more than ever in modern history or especially under president trump. i think that's something that democratic voters want to hear. while at the same time they're angry. they're upset. i think senator harris is someone who is not not optimistic, but she taps into this idea that he's going to be a fighter. she draws on her experience as a prosecutor, someone willing to hold folks accountable when they do wrong. that's not saying she's yelling or being angry. she's painting a cohesive, optimistic view of the country. >> all women have to show a tough side. >> the brand of the candidates, how they present themselves is going to have to line up with their policies and their track record. donald trump kind of is this big

budget hollywood movie. those type of movies with the distractions, the plot twists where you never want to have a beer with someone after ward who is like they never could have blown up the white house like that. you forgive. especially in his last campaign people forgive a lot of things that didn't line up. on the lefrt, it was more like documentary. everything had to line up. i like a documentary. if you say you're fighting for the little guy and people look at something and it doesn't line up, they throw out the documentaries that don't line up. obama was sort of the romantic comedy where everything was prettier and nicer and more of fantastic and you'd want to see it again, especially now. right? and with each of those, they're clear for people. i think the question for the candidates running now is like how is their brand going to line up? what are people going to feel and think? oftentimes people don't make their decisions based off a list of policies.

they make it off of how the candidates make them feel. whether or not they -- cory booker's overarching narrative about where we're heading appeals to people. whether warren's, the videos people forward around after she takes on a bank executive is appealing. not that they can tell you the details. i do think this is the opportunity for those candidates to do that, and i do think that for any candidate, it does have to line up. because people will be unforgiving of a candidate who says one thing, has a message that doesn't line up to their track record. >> just back from the sun dance film festival in new york. hours away from the big game. if you're torn when it comes to which team will come out on top, jimmy fallon and his puppy predictors have their best guess. >> i want to call it right now. i think the patriots are going

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the more interesting way to get your protein. welcome back to "up." today is the ultimate day for folks who like to play the odds. vegas bookmakers are taking bets on pretty much anything connected to the big game from the obvious -- who will win? the current spread is two and a half in favor of the patriots to the over/under on the game, 56

pnlt pn56.5, a prediction of points scored. you wager if it will be more or less. there are unique lines such as how long it will take for gladys knight to sing the national anthem. and what color will the fay lou -- famous gatorade dump be. interesting political lines. will president trump get the gop nation? odds are 1-1. cal, this is your baby, your brain child. >> i love it. politics and gambling. i appreciate the implication. executives will love that one. >> we say good morning to the executives. >> good morning. >> i like the joe scarborough idea that maybe trump decides he doesn't want a referendum and doesn't run. that's long adds but i like

that. impeachment, totally plays into his hand hands, right? >> mike, you're an avid sports fan, writer as well. >> i once started a gambling magazine. >> i didn't know that. >> it was a bad bet. it was a little bit before the time. i don't like the impeachment odds. i would see if there is wagering coming from inside the white house. they may want to get ahead of it. >> as far as the super bowl ods, none i a great bet. bill belichick comes in and knows how to avoid a gatorade dump. >> i could talk politics. i love political talk. it seems less whacky, more grounded in reality. less if you look at the ocasio

cortes odds. >> they will take your money. it's essentially half a percent loan. if you have to book the money beforehand. so if you bet $8,000, to win $80 you just lend them money. but here's how i use prop bets with the super bowl. to make what could be a boring game interesting. >> yes. >> if you take a bet that no extra point will be missed. you are riveted. even if one game wins by 30 you hope an extra point isn't missed so you win money. betting on something is entertaining. betting on politics becomes harrowing and there is a lot of emotion. >> are you a betting man? do you bet on political events? >> no. i don't think he's going to run. >> you don't think he's going to run? >> interesting. >> i don't think he'll run for a second term. >> is there a referendum? >> yeah. i don't think the impeachment question will rise. >> we'll get ahead of it with the other one.

>> right? let me say this. i loathe the new england patriots. >> you do? >> i hate the patriots. i haven't watched football all season. >> they're too good. >> i keep track of football. i'm still with colin kaepernick. i wanted to make it known on this date. at the end of the day i'm really interested in who the democrats put forward to challenge whomever the republican nominee is. >> what's the line on whether or not he knows what time the game starts? >> they hate you. i don't know. i didn't know the rams were the other team. i thought it was the jets. >> this is a quiz segment. >> as i was coming in the building i talked to a nice security man about how i have been to vegas twice, once for "meet the press daily" with chuck todd and for a presidential debate. i have zero experience for gambling. >> what do you think about just gambling so you can watch it?

>> i'm too risk averse to gambling. i don't make enough money to throw it away. >> you don't have to know anything about politics to be into this. the over/under on how many times donald trump will tweet during the game, five and a half. will he tweet more and a half times? >> there is a source at the bottom. this is being bet on. >> we are not making it up. >> that's too low. given that he hates the tension off of himself, he'll tweet at least eight times. >> do you watch twitter while the game is on? >> no. i host a party with way too many people. you have to keep the pretzels hot, get the quiche coming. eventually people leave and i watch the fourth quarter alone. for the first three i'm the consummate host. i don't like bets that require you to watch the game and see what they are saying. there is a bet of how many correct predictions will tony romo get. that requires my attention.

i like watching extra points missed or made. that's where the action is. >> what's the main snack at the super bowl party? what's on offer? >> we have quiches, little hamburgers and my girlfriend makes lincoln logs which are a delicious dessert. you are invited. >> thank you very much. the paperless post invite was sent. >> i opened it. i have dithered. we'll see if i show. >> i'm sorry? >> lastly, we are joking and politics and sports. are we at a point -- how wedded together are sports and plik politics? >> trump has brought us to that stage. his hatred toward the leagues and the way he's involved race in the sports, the colin kaepernick thing, yeah, the two have merged. it will help kaepernick in his lawsuit. >> get your bets in. thank you to my guests this

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