heart felt thanks to everyone who is watching. now it is like for "mtp daily." >> it is monday, is ralph northam taking a page from the trump playbook? good evening, i'm katie turr, welcome into "mtp daily." we just witnessed a massive leak out of the white house targeting one person and one person only, donald trump, we're also still trapling with the fallout from the president's latest attack on his intelligence wheefs this weekend. they have been warned not to

tell him things he might disagree with. but we begin tonight with just an incredible story. look at this. the entire democratic party has united in calling for virginia governor ralph northam to resign. this democratic party has zero tolerance for any racist behavior, past or present from it's politicians. in a develop accident, ralph northam doesn't seem interested in what his party wants, he is not resigning. he told staff today he needs more time. and this weekend, among other blunders, denied dressing up in black face in a yearbook photo and girled dressing up in

blackface at a dance contest. it is a refemavealing episode. you could say it is because of of one thing and that thing is donald trump. at the same time you could argue that his apparent believe that he is bunk his party and survive is also because of one thing, donald trump. joining me now is jeff bennet, larry sabado, and tonight's panel, gabe benedeti, susan d l del persio. what is the latest from the ideas of governor northam's circle. do they think they can stick this through? >> one of the reasons casy why

the governor is digging in is because he can. as a process point it is very difficult to force a governor from office. there is no modern day method for impeachment. people close to him he said he needs more time, more time to plan a path forward. he wants a careful exit so he is not branded as a racist. if he has no idea how it ended up on his yearbook page you can understand how it fell into his lap friday night into saturday morning he is caught off guard and needs to come to grip with it. for people that have been here all day, they make the point that a governor is not like a president, his effectively is linked directly to how good his

working relationship is with state legislatures. you have the democratic party and they saying a few days ago he should resign. he has ceded what is necessary. we're waiting to see what he decides to do. >>. >> do we know when we will see him next, but they are able to go around under group in tunnels, places we wasn't access. >> larry, what can virginia do, specifically virginia democrats if he decides that he doesn't want to resign? >> i thought geoff summarized it

it well. these things used to matter in virginia. he can be impeached, it is a political process, but the language in the constitution without getting technical here doesn't really cover the matters that have enveloped hum. this is since he became a state office holder. we can't, we don't have any other way to do that way to do that you both meet with him. you can disinvite him as one college did today. some legislatures refusing to see him and negotiate with him, it would have an impact. >> what is the appetite for the

voters to get him out of there? >> that is a good question. the only thing that i have seen is a public opinion poll about job approval being taken before and after this event on friday. before he had very positive numbers, close to 2-1 favorable job approval. after all of this broke it is now exactly flipped. i want to give credit to morgan consalt from politico for that. this all happens so quickly and it happened to somebody that most people thought was clean from top to bottom. >> mark, what do you think about this? >> go ahead, jeff. >> i was going to make the point that i think larry sabato hits it on the head.

some people say they're hur, some saddened, she said she was angry because she thought he sold himself as a champion of civil rights and she lived with racism her entire life, and this is a woman in her 70s, and they made a point that it was political malpractice for him not to know that was in his past. that the people of virginia deserve to know that it existed. >> is there no -- i made real strides to move forward and to make up for what i did.

>> he should have outed himself? >> many many years ago, and he would have an an opportunity to prove himself. his statement was it wasn't me. his second statement. he compounded the problem. secondarily he said no, it wasn't me, and he said by the way i did do black face more michael jackson. >> he said i put on shoe polish, not that much, because it is hard to take off. >> like he knew what it was all about. i found his press conference to be bumbling, stomach bing, fumbling, clumsy. i felt no passion, no conviction. appare apparently he was a different person when he was younger and he did evolve, but what the

voters didn't see is his evolution. they thought he was a certain type of person. so message to candidates and people that want to go into public office. it is better to confront it before you run for office because that way you're not surprised and the voters will not feel had. >> and you a team that vets you, that goes through your past, to figure out anything that could be problematic. >> hi office requires you to do research on yourself in today's world. certainly president of the united states, you have to really be well aware of what is in your own background. >> but it is not by accident called a vulnerability study. >> is this a trump effect, saying if i can just sit and

wait this out until the news cycle moves on i will be okay? >>. >> that won't work, but he is taking a page out of his play book by being all over the place. crisis 101 is get the facts down, put out your statement, stick by your statement. there is no room for what he has done, period. just in the political sense. he came out and said it was him, he apologized. the press conference was a disaster. it was absurd. it is time to move on and i want to touch oun one thing. you get voters angry at you, yes, but also your team getting angry. the people around him must be furious with him and that also

has to play on his decision making. >> this is a distinction between ralph northam and donald trump. for the most part the republican congress stood with him or remained silent. in this instance, ralph northam's own political base turned on him. millly l politically it makes a difference for who can hold on and who can govern. >> what does it say about the democratic party. very clearly they're trying to speak with one voice saying there is no room for this but at the same time he is not listening. >> he is the only person not listening. if you talk to members of the party, people running for president, they're all saying and very quickly saying he needs to resign. there was a little confusion early on or skepticism from some

leaders, but once it became clear that he wasn't going to resign, they said forget it, man. attempts now to say democrats don't have a leg to stand on, but northam is not having any political spoupport. when you talk to him and other democrats around the country. it feels like he is the only person to know that he is not going to resign. >> the president only tweeted about it two times with is low for the president democrats are saying that he has been accused of incense tiff and racism.

>> in the legislature it was lead, now i don't see thousand is even possible and they're from what i understand, working with their democrats across the aisle to see what they can do as far as going after northam specifically. on a national level, yes, i have no problem temperatustepping up think he should resign and what he did is disgusting. i said the same about donald trump. there is unfortunately too many folks in washington who stood by donald trump in his worst racist moments. >> i believe there are elections in virginia in the fall. i think republicans are probably sitting back saying their hand may be strengthenned.

>> so they potentially want to get him out of the way, and justin fairfax, the lieutenant governor that could replace him, descended from slaves, is now facing an allegation of sexual assault. the issue is is his denial is contradicting what "the washington post" has reported. his team, his office, claimed that the "washington post" investigated and found the woman's story to be inconsistent. and they could not back it up. the washington post made it year they could not corroborate either side of the story and they had no one else. the post carefully investigated the claim for several months. the absence of any evidence

corroborating the allegation and red flags in the allegation, the post made the decision not to public the story. that was from the fairfax team and it was not quite right. what does it mean for fairfax if he takes over this role and faces his own me too movement? >> it is a b mess, a giant mess, and you were right to add all of those footnotes, not many people will focus on the footnotes. they will hear about the allegation and his denial. and i don't see how it will be resolved. i don't see how you bring these two stories together and come up with any reasonable explanation at this point. i have been kidding today saying fortunately for the democrats they swept the elections in 2017, so the next person is line is the attorney general.

i would say this has been the biggest disaster for democrats in a lot of election cycles in this state. it is just falling apart for them and it is hard to believe. >> what do you believe about the next election cycle? >> the legislative cycle? are you talking about -- >> for the republican's hand coming up. >> the republicans will be perfectly happy if northam stays in. he was popular and he could easily have helped democrats take other the house of delegates and the state senate. they're very close to taking over both of them. now northam is an anvil around the necks of these candidates and whoever is behind this, the allegations against justin fairfax, they're dirtying him up so if he succeeds northam he will be of less value.

i don't know if there is a coordinated effort, maybe not, but coincidences are rare in politics. common everywhere else, but i never found too many real coincidences in politics. >>. >> both of these allegations were birthed from what i call britebart 2.0 website. they said a citizen whistle-blower gave it to them. and the very same website is fonl for responsible for resurfacing these allegations against justin fairfax. these are old school politics. maybe they would have wanted to tomb it differently which is to put a hit on northam and then hit fairfax after he becomes the governor.

the public needs to know there is a political dimension from republicans, or republican leaning or republican inspired -- >> and on things right now in the next 72 hours if anyone else makes accusations on fairfax, that will move forward. >> and we're also living in a me too moouvement are accusations have been the end of political and professional careers and it it adds another dimension to all of this. sabato, thank you for joining us. gabe, suzanne, mark, you're staying with us. weaponizing the president's schedule. what is creating big problems in the west wing. and the president is disagreeing with his own intelligence leaders, again. hin intelligence leaders, again. (clapping) every day, visionaries are creating the future. ( ♪ )

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joining me now is jeremy connolly. jeremy, ralph northam is refusing to resign what should the party try to do? can they do anything? >> i think it needs a little time for the gorvernor to understand that his moral authority has collapsed, and his ability to govern is non-existent. he can't go and advocate for a bill with any credibility. all of the candidates on the ballot for the state senate, local races, house of delegates, none will want their picture taking with reallyalph northam.

>> this lasted so much longer than none in the political world would have expected. they would have expected that he would have resigned by sunday at the latest. you could argue that he is talking a page out of the trump play book. given that, do you think that there is a way for him to try to rehabilitate his image? >> not while he is oregon. i think if he wants to rehabilitate his image. the best way to reha bbilitate himself is when he steps down and continue to talk about and work on this issue. he can't do it, jerry is right. >> mark morriall was saying if

there is a problem in their past, a mistake in their past, is self out themselves in the campaign. so they can get it out in the open. is that something you agree with? is it possible with our politics? >> i think the governor had the benefit of the doubt to a alarm degree this time. a lot of folks didn't say anything. they waited to see what would happen next. when he did with the second press conference that gave him a huge credibility problem and it is making it look like this issue is now bigger than the governor's office. that is why he needs to step out and deal with the issue. when you think about it there is a friend of mine that wrote "let's think about the issue of race. so there is a photographer that took it, a committee that included it, a university that allowed the photo, allowed it to

be published under his name and no one said anything about it. that is a huge issue that the government now can take their focus on once he steps down from the governorship so we won't have this problem so we can deal with the problem of race in america, still. that is the way he should rehabilitate himself. >> is the democratic party speaking as one with this because donald trump is a leader in the white house that has been accused of racism, of being racially intolerant, are you so severe with northam because there is no room to be understanding for anyone in the party because you have to hold the line against what you see is wrong within the republican party with donald trump or someone like steve king? >> i think that is a factor. but i think for those of us in virginia the bigger factor is

our own state history. we want to move far beyond our sad racial history. you know, we're a state that housed the capital of the confederacy. we are still wrestling with confederate statues and the -- tries to suppress votes from african-americans. we want to be a new virginia and this ripped open all of those old wounds. and i think far beyond politics, this is about the governor saying to millions of people that trusted him that he understands the betrayal by temperatures down. >> do voters give democrats another chance? >> i think so. i think we will have an

opportunity to see that. this is a very tragic incident involving one man that we trusted that seems very confused. that press conference was just really nightmarish for the governor. i know him as a good and decent perp but now he finds himself with a situation that he cannot explain or recover. >> for the man that would take his place, justin fairfax. there is an allegation about him. coming from a woman that says he assaulted her. they could not corroborate either side, they did not end up reporting the story. the lieutenant governor's office mischaracterized it saying they found her story to be

inconsistent. what happens with the lieutenant governor and are you confident that given this allegation and the time that we live in that he is the right person? >> i think just as i took a breath, you take a breath here, i wanted to see what was the next step. what is he going to say next? and then the press conference happened. so i'm taking it reference to the lieutenant governor. the breitbart news is suspect to me. and so it is suspect to me. so i have to see if anything is substantiated as a result of that. >> do you find it worrying that the lieutenant governor's office

mischaracterized the washington post's own reporinting? >> what we find out now is what happens next? is there other allegations that come out there? right now it is just an inconsistency by anyone's report. we need to see what happens next and we go from there. >> what do you think? do you believe this woman? >> every allegation has to be taken seriously. unfortunately in this case we have two people with two different stories about what happened. we have a major newspaper that looked into it apparently for months and decided they department have a story. that doesn't necessarily mean one or the other is wrong, but they were not able to corroborate a story. we'll have to wait and see if there is anything else, but i

also am deeply concerned that people are still innocent until the evidence suggests otherwise overwhelmingly. and i think justin deserves consideration here. >> would you be given it the same patience if this was a republican lieutenant governor? >> yes, i would. i believe that everyone is entitled to, you know, due process. whether or not they're lieutenant governor or an ordinary citizen. >> he gave donald trump a break in the beginning. i have been here in new york. i happen to know that he was a conman all along as said by some of his republican colleagues, but people were waiting to see and we are still waiting to see if he would change, if he would be presidential, if he would work with folks, if he would be the guy that would try to strike a deal. you can't do that with a conman,

unfortunately. so he still, people on the democratic side, gave him a break initially and it is only because of his continued actions and his continued clearly statements that he made with regard to what took place in virginia that his actions speak for who he is. >> do you agree it got messy? >> it is and it is because of the type of politics that we're in now. >> gentlemen, thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. up next, the white house reportedly reeling after a major leak reveals how the president is really spending his time. not just about what was leaked, but why. st about what was leake but why.

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the white house, and the internal finger pointing has not been as bad since the op-ed that was released. the schedules reveal that what has been come to known as the president's executive time. the hours he spends watching tv, making calls, and tweeting, is about 60% of his schedule. from november 7th, the day after the midterms, he spent seven hours in executive time. his only event that day was a meeting with his chief of staff. the white house released a statement saying president trump has a different leadership style than his predecessors and the results speak for themselves. but this leak is about much more than what was leaked. it was about why it was leaked, as mager haberman points out, a white house aide is weaponizing

his schedules which says a lot about how people in the white house feel about him. and with me, chief white house kcorrespondent halle jackson. chris, it is unusual to have that much free time, unscheduled, unstructured time for a president. what about the fact that someone leaked this. what does that say to you about this white house? sdwli think the question of who leaked this material is way less important than what it signifies. leaks will always happen. i think by the way the way you prevent laeeaks is by having a white house that tells the truth and inspires loyalty. to me what it giconfirms is something we have known for a long time. you cannot run the white house the way you run the 26th floor

of trump tower. i think we all speak for sarah huckabee sanders when we say the white house speaks for itself. it was a tax cut for millionaires and this was one of the reasons why. executive time works when you run a real estate firm with no board of directors. it is a prescription for disaster. >> what is the message being sent when someone esends out a schedule full of "executive time." >> to me the important message it sends is what it tells us about this white house. >> what do you think the leaker was intending to send? >> you moe, i don't want to play sigh owe analyst, it is hard to know exactly what was in the leakers mind. this could be someone who is

disgruntled, but it could also be someone that feels this is a matter of public interest. that people should know this is is a twhus is dysfunctional, incapable of governing, and fundamentally uninterested in governing. knowing that is important for all of this. >> it does line up with some of the more infamous tweets he has sent out, coinciding with what he is watching on cable television. axios says there is a chaos at the white house. the anger in the white house has not been this bad since the anonymous "new york times" op-ed. >> i take chris's point there, i think this one took a lot of people by surprise that so much material was leaked relating to this broader schedule. about 388 people have access to

that schedule. so if you're looking for a leaker, right? narrow it down to that pool. but that said the white house is defending the president's use of executive time saying it allows for a more creative way for the president to be thinking and conducting his leadership style to help him be more productive. we heard from another white house aide as well that said this is how the president works, we know the president in executive time tweets and watches tv. how do we know that? because he watches tv, tweets about it, and we see his twitter. and they say he is also making phone calls to people you don't see. like to world leaders. he is speaking to trump al lili as well. sometimes it is pad time so he is not late to other meetings. the "new york times" interview

that went overtime last time as well. all of that said, right? the president is on the phone with world leaders and having meetings and he wants to have that privately. there is a question of transparen transparency. they put some of those meetings and phonecalls out publicly, but if he is making this volume of phone calls and skaudiscussions american people probably do want to know about that. >> so it was an effort to keep this quiet. is that why it is under the banner of executive time? >> the white house says he wants to have the conversations in the man near he wants to have them. you have seen aides tweet about how it was a brief of trust. one woman that sits outside of the office and doesn't often come out, i think it is an

indication of almost full circle that it caught the attention of people in the west wing. >> what about productivity, they will say he is doing all of these things, igniting a booming economy, and et cetera, et cetera. in terms of legislation not much is comes out of the white house. the signature piece of legislation that was mentioned before that is a new tax cut. they have not signed an immigration deal. the administration was shut down for a month, are they having a hard time explaining away his free time when you look at just the hard numbers of what white house has gotten done. >> it seems to me that look, it is easy to make judicial appointments relatively speaking. it is easy not to wreck a booming economy, it is hard to

governor. it is very difficult to put together compromises and govern beyond your base. he has shown over and over again that he doesn't understand the difference between governing and understanding. the way it is deployed to execute that agenda. i think that if he wants to govern, he has to use his time effectively. every previous chief of staff will tell you yes, the president needs time to think, but he has to be able to execute on his agenda. >> halle? >>. >> it is a lit bit of an ink blot top of question. they will say it is not a productive use of his time. if you talk to people that do support him, as we heard publicly already, they say it

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it is time now for "the lid." donald trump is working against his intelligence community once again. he doesn't believe them. he talked about it on "face the nation" over the weekend with margaret brennan. she asked him outright, do you trust your intelligence, and here is what he said. >> you will trust the intelligence you receive? >> i will trust the intelligence that i'm putting there, but i will say this my intelligence people if they said, in fact, that iran is a wonder for kindergarten, i disagree with them 100%? >> what does he mean by i will

trust the intelligence that i'm putting there. >> i think he means he will trust the people that he puts in these positions. but clearly what he is really saying is i reserve the right to disagree when i want to and you don't get to say anything about it. it is not something they will say. >> no one has ever said that. my thing was in that same interview, that i think the reporter almost fell off her chair when he said i want to keep troops in iraq so we can go afterir after iran if we need to. he does not recognize the

consequences of what he says. >> it is playing into the hands of the -- >> what do you say to someone that says listen, nothing has been going wrong, we're fine, must not be as big of a be as b it was. >> respectfully, people could have said that before 9/11. the risk and the threat is always there. what i believe is the president certainly has a right to push back against the intelligence agencies, as any good leader should be, but it should be done in private. it should not be aired in public. those disagreements challenge the ability. the united states, when it comes to foreign policy ought to have a united front with the president as the lead and as a spokesperson. >> it also means that foreign powers or allies can't trust what we're saying, can't trust what our intelligence community says or what our defense secretary says or what our secretary of state says. >> giving us intel. what did theresa may say after a

terrorist attack in london? what happened with the israelis when the president shared classified information? >> to the russians. >> exactly. that's where we go. and the worst thing is and to mark's point, the president is allowed to make these decisions, but it should be based on more than how he's feeling that day. he -- we know he does not read those intel reports. he does not know the history. he does not -- >> the root, the guiding, the motivating forces, the entire russia thing. and his disagreements with them over the conclusions they made on russian interference in the election i think are stuck in his craw that. >> could be the case. that could be part of the factor, one of the factors. but he did say to me during the campaign, i said why aren't your foreign policy advisers here? we were in scotland during brexit. and he said i don't need them because i trust myself. i trust my gut. i've got a really good gut. i'm my own best adviser.

he has always felt like the ceo of a company where he -- >> his lawyer, fool for a lawyer and a fool for a client. >> very clearly, when you see him answer these questions, he clearly perceives it as an attempt to hem in and a threat to his instinctual style of leadership. >> and he has to no everything. if he doesn't know anything, there is something at fault with him. >> that's because the way he has pitched himself to the country, and as a businessman for years and years, the ultimate decider, the man who knows it all. i alone can fix it. i say it every time we come on, but we really have this over and over. this is the core of what it is. he wants to believe that he knows more than anyone else. and even he doesn't know more facts, his brain is better because he can make better decisions. >> he has the world's best brains and he remembers all the names, even though he remembers nobody's name. but that aside, let's just consider the "time" magazine reporting on what the intelligence community is doing in response to donald trump, because that to me is even

crazier. what is most troubling are trump's angry reactions when he is given information that contradicts information or beliefs that he holds. two intelligence officers even reported that they had been warned to avoid giving the president intelligence assessments that contradict stances he has taken in public. that is alarming. >> and it would be a breach of their fid dish year responsibility as intelligence officers if they pull their punches, if they spun their advice simply because of fear of an angry reaction from the president. i don't want to see him do this, and it's dangerous that they would. this is where signals get missed. these intelligence briefings are important to advise the president and his senior leaders on what threats we have so that we can be prepared, so that we can be ready. this is serious business. and while we can say everything is fine now, the idea is to guard against future problems and future risks. so i'm extremely troubled by the disfunctionality of this entire

situation. >> the entire explanation he gives, his reasoning is that look what happened during the bush administration. the intelligence community said there were wmds in iraq and there were not. >> it's a ridiculous comparison. you just cannot make that comparison. if he would read his briefings, if he showed some interest in knowing what was happening in the world, and, you know, we talk about how he ran his businesses. yeah that. >> went bankrupt. that's that gut work, that magic gut work and the business went bankrupt. he does not have the ability, and he is now showing regardless what he says about his brain, it is not very good, because he just can't make any decent, valid decisions because he does not know the material. >> i got to tell you, the "time" magazine report was jaw-dropping. gabe, susan and mark, thank you very much. and ahead, political gamesmanship. i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation]

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we officially have too much time on our hands here. that is all for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. ari, in mario brothers, is itami it mario brothers 2 that is better or 1? >> i think the original is always classic. during the whole segment you were just doing, i felt like sonic the hedgehog. >> mario brothers 2. >> by the way, if that was a video game, you've just been burnt. >> have a good show. >> thank you, katy. always fun talking video games with katy tur. a fascinating new leak of donald trump's white house schedules. it shows he is doing lots of executive time. i have a breakdown on that later and why it matters. and the latte hangover. billionaire huard schultz stung by the backlash. later tonight, another coffee