good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight tonight's lead, the crisis in the commonwealth state continues as state democrats in virginia remain firm that embattled democratic governor ralph northam should resign from office. more than a week after that racist photograph from his medical school yearbook page triggered a flood of controversy that now threatens the entire democratic top tier leading to the governor's mansion. and today in his first interview since that disastrous press conference where we copped to wearing blackface, northam told "the washington post" that he intends to stay in office to focus on racial equality and

equity. justin fairfax is now facing dual accusations that he raped or sexually assaulted women in the early 2000s as calls grow for fair fox to resign. nbc news confirms the lieutenant governor will make an announcement by monday according to a spokesperson. also holed up and plotting next steps, the state's number three democrat, attorney general mark herring, who spent this week quietly trying to mend fences after admitting that he also donned blackface in the 1980s. folks, i was in virginia this week speaking at an interfaith rally on the campus of the historically black virginia union university, and this is

what i told them. >> i said to them that we must look at all these situations, one where you have admitted by the governor and secretary general of engaging in blackface, which is racist in its founding and its development, and another where there are serious charges of sexual abuse that is being disputed. we must take both of them seriously, but not con inflate them, and we must hold officials accountable. i still hope that when the governor and secretary and state admitted to what they did, that needs to be enforced. i think the lieutenant governor deserves a day in court, but if there is any truth to this, he should be held fully accountability. julio jones is virginia

democratic state delegate sha nah herring. it continues to be cries for the governor to step aside. where do you stand on this? >> i still remain consistent with my caucus and with the virginia legislative black caucus that the governor needs to step down. i understand that he's trying to understand the black experience, but our state doesn't have time for him to come to grips with it. he's backslided on his statement that he was in the picture, then says he's not. it's time for him to shlep down, i believe, in the interest of our commonwealth. >> what troubles me about him saying at first he was in the picture and then he said he talked to classmates who said he wasn't in the picture. the fact that he himself thought he was or could have been in the picture gives us his state of mind about what was possible for

him. if somebody said to you that you were in a photo, wouldn't you know that would be totally impossible if you didn't have the character that would have you participate in something like that? >> absolutely. if i did not don blackface and someone showed me a picture and said that's you, i would have said absolutely it's not. i've known the governor for a little over ten years. i understand it is difficult for him to make a decision whether to stay or to go. obviously he's decided to stay, but i asked last night and i'll ask again, please consider the entire good of the commonwealth and all the work that we have to do. i'm chair of the house caucus of democrats, amazing individuals are working hard every day to make virginians' lives better. we need to keep moving forward, not have a distraction. >> how can he governor?

i think the issue here is we're not talking about an entertainer, we're talking about someone that must deal with people that now don't want to stand with him, don't want to deal with him. how can he governor with this and his excuse being i wasn't in the picture after talking to friends. but i did blackface michael jackson, so what i said when i was someone being accused of a bank robber, and he says i didn't rob chase bank, i robbed wells fargo. but you're still a bank robber >> that's what's the difficult hurdle he has to cross. i do question how he's going to governor given the serious issues we're dealing with in the commonwealth. we're still a commonwealth, but we risk damage by him trying to continue to govern. that's a personal feeling that i

have. i just that's why my caucus asked him to step down. it's time. and i understand that he wants to understand and learn the black person, i understand he's reading roo"roots" but i suggese also read for colored girls who considered suicide when the rain wasn't enough. things that are happening in the commonwealth with the allegations of lieutenant governor, we're tearing open wounds that have been try to heel. >> thank you very much, delegate herring. let me bring in my tangle. john elgin from "the new york times." he's in virginia, by the way. alex hefner, host of nationally as i understand indicated talk show "the open mind" and joe watkins, republican strategist and former white house aide under president george h.w.

bush. joe watkins, you are a republican, but you are also a minister. wouldn't the governor be a hero if he stepped aside and worked on racial equity as an example that we have to deal with our history and i've committed to donning blackface is a part of history we need to deal with. he would become an even bigger and more important figure in racial reconciliation. >> i think you're right. that would certainly be putting the commonwealth of virginia first and not his political interests first. that's what has to happen for healing to begin. people would really respect him if he stepped aside and as a private citizen worked on ways to improve the quality of relations between the races. >> alex, with having this allegation against the lieutenant governor and then the governor and the secretary of state on the race side who's

admitted to what has been raised about them, about the governor. i think the secretary of state came for it himself. this puts the democrats in a real dilemma because they could lose control of the state. but at the same time, are they asking people, black people and other americans that want to see fairness and justice and have no doubt that they would governor fairly, because we're talking about people that will governor people. wouldn't it give us this choice of saying we should be for the party over our own dignity and history? >> i think so. the question here is the position of all three of these men is precarious at this point. the question is whether or not the governor can authentically community his remorse. it doesn't cut it. it was flippant. and then there was the flip-flop

of saying he was not in the photo. so it's not believable. it's quite dubious at this point. in the same breath, i think this is a moral lesson and it's a teachable moment for the democrats running in 2020 too. if you have these sins, they are irredeemable. if you have skeletons in your closet that are bigotry, racism, sexism, there's no coming home from that. in the same breath, this is an example of a governor who stood his ground. and we know in the politics of donald trump, if you don't concede, really, that's the only way to stand your ground and to survive and face off. in a sense, he's using a tactic that many before him have not and the democrats can take a zephon joh. >> john, you're there on the ground in virginia. we're not talking about just the distant past, we're talking about we just had charlottesville less than a year

and a half ago in virginia. we've had any number of racial incidents in virginia and around the country. in this climate, how are people on the ground responding to the governor saying today in his first interview he's not stepping down, he's going to fight for racial equity? >> frankly, i think people are actually very torn. on the ground here it's pretty shocking. you have folks in the establishment, folks with the naacp local branches, the politicians who definitely want him to go for both the moral and the political reasons, but you also have his supporters. i've talked to black virginians who have supported him through the years and they're shocked by this, but at the same time they're sitting back asking what really happened here? we want to have more information, we want more answers about what happened. and they're really concerned about the way forward for the state, because if there's one thing, regardless what happened with the blackface or michael jackson, they want leadership that is going to represent them and their values. of course there's huge concern

about whether governor northam is the appropriate person to do that and with everything going on with fairfax, that concern is further now >> joe, the republicans now are lecturing about race when you've had any number of situations that has occurred among republicans and, frankly, in the entertainment world that they were opposed to how we're bringing it up. it seems strange. they are raising the questions about fairfax, which should be raised because no woman should be treated wrongly if the facts bear that out. but they didn't take that position with condition of anonymity position with kavanaugh. >> the republican party has to do better. we got a congressman in iowa who has made some terribly racist statements over the years. i'm glad that the party took

time at least to remove him from the committees, but he should be removed from liz seat. the strongest message would have been to remove him from his seat after making those comments and standing by those comments. >> he said what's wrong with white supremacy? >> completely unacceptable for any party, republicans or democrats. that ought to be unacceptable, period. the party made a move in the right direction, but it needs to be firmer, more consistent when it comes to issues of race. >> now, alex, as we move forward into the -- not only the 2022 election in virginia, the 2020 race is going to have to deal with some of these issues. we're going to talk about that. but race is not going anywhere. they accuse people of me like we keep bringing up race. if you're born in one of the race disadvantage, you might have to keep bringing it up because you're disadvantaged.

>> absolutely. >> and the candidates will have to be clear on where they are on racial equality and fairness. >> and a vocabulary is not going to be sufficient. you have to have policy that really will grapple with those injustices. i think that's what you're seeing now play out. the american people will determine which of these candidates are real and are not just show boating but interested in substantive policy reform. >> we'll talk about that later. john, on the ground people want to see governing that will produce what's right for them. that the message i'm getting you from in virginia. that's what i heard thursday when i was there. >> certainly. people want government that's responsive to them. for so long as you mentioned at the top, there's been a racist history in the state and in the country, really. some of those things still reverberate. things are different and have evolved. it's a blue state now, more diverse, but i walked around and talked to a lot of people. and almost every white person

i've spoken to in virginia has been hesitate to say blackface is automatically racially offensive. >> wow. >> there's things that are still being battled here. when those attitudes go all the way to the tops of government, that makes people -- gives them pause and makes them wonder am i being represented here. >> i was in virginia on thursday and i made a case for why northam's refusal to step down is particularly stinging to black virginians that voted for him. take a listen. >> people voted for you that were ill informed, and, therefore, they've right to say, wait a minute, can someone that comes from that background and not disclose it govern health care, voting, education. that's what this ain't about you. this is about a standard of people that have had to struggle

since they brought us to this state 400 years ago for equality and fairness. >> my panel is staying with us. but coming up next, she worked for both president trump and "the national enquirer"'s publisher. i'll ask omarosa manigault newman who's shaking down who. that's next. stay with us. to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪

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jeff bezos is making claims of blackmail and extortion against the company that owns "the national enquirer" is drawing attention to the fact that the tabloid's owner david pecker is a longtime friend of president trump, who has the futufeuded ws for years over the ownership of "the washington post." keep in mind that perker already admitted to using his company to make hush payments, hush money payments to women on behalf of donald trump. could the bezos attack also be politically motivated? let's talk to someone who used to work for both donald trump and david pecker, omarosa manigault newman. she's also the author of "unhinged. an inside account of the trump white house." omarosa you worked for okay mag owned by pecker.

you worked for president trump both during the campaign and the first part of his presidency. what do you think is happening here when you hear bezos saying that pecker, who has clearly a relationship with the president has been accused of being one who funneled payoffs to women, bought their stories to keep quiet? as one who knows both and has worked for and with both, what do you think is happening here? >> good morning rev. >> good afternoon. >> these types of intimidations and threats are common practice at ami, at least from what i observed when i worked there. david pecker and donald trump are very, very close. and pecker is known to protect donald trump. in fact, there is a vault with stories that ami has captured and bought on behalf of donald trump that pecker is working to keep from becoming public. we know this.

i saw that when i worked there. and i will say that what they're doing to jeff bezos is politically motivated. there's no question the reason ami spent so much time and resources tracking down the story about alleged affairs and relationships on on behalf of jeff cheating on his wife, there's no question that was done in order to retaliate against him because of his feud with donald trump. >> so you're saying that you feel that the e-mails that we've seen that have been released by bezos showing him making these threats, showing him trying to deal with bezos was politically motivated because of his relationship with the president? >> absolutely. >> his being of course pecker. >> let's look at the facts. donald trump lethally tweeted out the story, promoted it, laughed about it and indulged in it because he has a relationship with pecker. it would be surprising there was

a communication as these things were nounfolding. he was applauding the efforts of ami to bring jeff bezos down. >> as a former aide to donald trump and one who worked at the campaign, that you would suspect there may have even been communication between the president and pecker during this time? >> yes, because let's look at this. david pecker has a cooperation agreement with sdny, federal prosecutors. and he actually agreed that he would not after taking that agreement engage in any type of criminal activity going forward. i see extortion and blackmail as a form of criminal activity. it's an extension of what he's been doing for donald trump to this day. this release of e-mails demonstrate a pattern of behavior that's very common practice at ami. >> what would be the end goal to

get mr. bezos to back off on some of the things that they, they being trump and pecker, did not want out? >> they've been very effective going after donald trump's opponents or detractors. let's look what they did to hillary clinton during the campaign. ami collectively ran over 50 covers with negative headlines about then-candidate hillary clinton with all sorts of accusations, things to undermine her as a candidate. and they did it to some very great effect in my opinion. it was effective to anyone that went down the grocery store aisle and saw those images would be influenced by thinking that she may have been deteriorating, she had relationship problems, all the different headlines that ami purposely used to undermine her, and that is the same case with what they're going going after jeff bezos. >> as one who worked in the white house as well as the campaign, have you seen this

kind of operation of not directly with pecker, but with the campaign and the president's people and the president would use friends in the media to go after his opponents and go after his critics? >> yes. we see that more closely by looking at what happened with michael cohen. in fact, this investigation into ami came as a result of the raid on michael cohen's office where they came across documents, text messages, and voice mails that demonstrated the negotiation for the karen mcdougal story. there are many, many more and as things unfold, you'll see this very unique relationship between ami, which i call a media menace who's been utilized to be kind of like hit men on behalf of the president of the united states. >> i'm talking about negative statements by people. former new jersey governor chris christie in his book talking about his experiences inside the white house called you, quote,

garbage. >> yes. >> do you want to respond? >> i think what's also interesting is he said i should not have be in the white house because i didn't have the education. i was one of the few people with priority white house experience. in terms of education, i think my hbcu education is quality and topnotch. and i think that when you see him attacking me instead of attacking the people who actually committed crimes who were accused of beating their wives is just because he's continuing to kind of try to placate the president of the united states. so i didn't take it personal. a lot of people have tried to use know sell their books and the governor is no different. i have to push back on a his allegations that i didn't have the education, quality, or experience because i was one of the few who had worked previously in the white house. >> well, governor christie, you're welcome to come and

respond. >> but he should probably fact check before he comes back to your show. >> i ran into him and he has reason to come now. thank you, omarosa manigault newman. still ahead, another mixed message from the trump administration about fighting the spread of hiv. but first -- as we celebrate black history, we pause to remember an extraordinary woman, marissa lete j. harris, first black woman to serve as major general in the u.s. military. she retired in 1997 as the highest ranking female officer in the air force. and the nation's highest ranking black woman in the department of defense. harris died in september at the age of 75. on thursday major general harris was buried with full military honors in arlington national

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candidates. senator elizabeth warren earlier today joined the democratic presidential field that is more diverse than ever. but how will the democratic party deal with all the racial issues that are dominating our political landscape? my panel is back. john he go guard of "the new york times," pbs host alex hefner, and republican strategist joe watkins. one of the things, john, that i've been pressing for the last couple of decades is the democratic party had started moving away from dealing with race, triangulation and other things, one of the reasons i ran in '04. in 2016 people are getting away from identity politics. here we are with virginia and other incidents of race.

will race continue to be a factor in the democratic party that they should not run away from but lay out a plan on how they're going to deal with it? >> well, early indications are it has been to be a priority and candidates are making it a priority. if you look at elizabeth warren before her coming out announcement here, when she had other speeches earlier, she had talked about issues of race and inequality. the simple fact is donald trump an "a" president who has appealed to white racial identity and the lost and the forgotten white men. so the question for the democrats is how are they going to cope with that. you do have some folks who are talking about running more of a campaign that appeals to the white working class, but how do you appeal to the base. people who are coming of age who are african-american, latino immigrants who can now vote. you have diverse coalition and the question for the party is

going to be are we going to go for that base and how do we get that base but at the same time capture those white voters who may see diversity as a bad thing for them. >> joe watkins, the republicans talk about reaching out, but there has not been a lot of reaching out, at least in terms of policy and in terms of programs. in fact, the president said blacks should vote for him because what do they have to lose and then took the last two years, in my opinion, showing us what they have to lose. if race is one of the issues in terms of how to deal with racial equity and fairness becomes one of the main things of the democratic party, does that help or hurt the republicans? >> i don't think it necessarily helps the republicans. i mean, these issues are important issues. it's important for both parties to deal with them. republicans have not dealt with

them as democrats will be forced to. >> and you're a republican saying that. >> we have all the issues that are facing us right now not just in virginia but still the unanswered issue as to to deal with african-american men and women being killed by police around the country. these are important issues that have to be dealt with and the candidates who want to be the nominee are going to have to deal with them. >> alex, is the not true that if the democratic party, who eventually becomes the democratic nominee does deal with this issues along with other critical issues, the economy and certainly health care and other issues, that it will energize the vote and that it is going to be difficult to get people to come out and vote? i always say if you're not talking to people, they're not going to respond. isn't it really in the interest of the democrats to talk to the base voters that they've depended on, not just talk to

them, but lay out what they're going to do in effect if they are elected? >> they have to. i think elizabeth warren took a positive step forward. if you're going to be a formidable democratic nominee in 2020, you have to coalition that base and renew the energy of those traditional democratic aspiration and ideals. the green new deal, if it connects to the livelihood of folks, not just people of color, but all americans, if you really connect infrastructure, jobs, economic opportunity -- >> and environmental racism. >> and structural racism, there is a path. she began to articulate it today for a socially just movement of democrats that are not going to alienate white folks, that are going to be inclusive. and i think she made a good start today. >> john, one of the things i've seen from these candidates, and

i've had many of them, including liz warren and kamala harris and cory booker and others, bernie sanders and others at the convention, one of the things that's clear is no one has the, quote, upper hand with black voters. black voters want to hear their interests and there's no one that walks in that can automatically assume i have the black base. is that your finding as you do your journalist moving around, looking at these races as they develop? >> certainly. i think when you look at it, you know, it might be the easy and the quick and maybe the lazy assumption to say cory booker or kamala harris are going to have the black vote because they're black. but if you look closely, there's questions about their connections to black identity and also not just their connections, but what are they going to do to further the policy. you have to look at black

voters. they're not just about symbolism. they're about action and getting things done. they want to see action. they want to see things on housing and things on access to health care. they want to see things on the economy and jobs and things like that. we have a very diversity electorate, and those electorates are demanding more and more, especially over the past couple years as they've seen that just having a democrat in front of your name doesn't mean you'll get policies that you're going to be happy with. >> joe, how can the republican party, given the hostility given by the president, how can they get more than their little black vote in '16. >> they have to follow the leader of tim scott, republican senator from south carolina, the only african-american senator in the u.s. senate who has been very, very strong. >> african-american republican. >> republican senator, i'm

sorry, in the senate. he's been very, very strong on issues in matters of race. even talking to members of the senate on both sides of the aisle about his experiences as a u.s. senator, being stopped by the police in the capital. he's taken the president to task as well over charlottesville and various other incidents we've had around the country. so he's been very forthright. the party ought to take its lead from him. >> i'm out of time, alex, but you're saying full steam ahead, we need to deal with all the issues and not take race out of the equation? >> absolutely. populism can appeal to all demographics and it has to be real and authentic. and i think john points out it's not going to cut it just for the tribal element to be apparent. it has to be really substantive. >> it has to be earned. >> yeah. >> thank you, john, alex hefner, and joe watkins. up next, rapper 21 savage will miss his performance on

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savage will miss his big performance on tomorrow night's awards show and may be deported from the united states entirely. after u.s. immigration and customs enforcement agents arrested him this week claiming he had been living in the country on an expired visa for the last 13 hours. advocates in and out of the the entertainment world have come to the rapper's defense and his legal team insists that his lyrics at times critical of the trump administration and its immigration policies made the rapper a target for i.c.e. but the arrest also generated a larger conversation about the experiences of black immigrants under this administration despite seldom being centered in the political fights around its policies. joining me now is patrice colors, cofounder of black lives

matter who is leading the grassroots charge to stop 21 savage's possible deportation. thank you for being on, from b. why is this so important and why is savage 21, in your opinion, being mistreated and a victim of a political move here. >> we have been having a conversation for the last decade about the mass criminalization of black people and mass incarceration, but what happens when you're black and undocumented. his name is shea, she caught in the cross hairs of an immigration system that targets undocumented black people in a criminal justice system that is

bent on criminal using black communities in particular. >> this administration has tried to make the immigration debate around mexicans. and a lot of people don't understand that yes there is mexicans, but also blacks and others, and here is an artist that lived a constructive life in terms of him being here since he was seven years old. he is now detained and may be deported. this really breaks with the imagery of where the immigration debate has been at least instead of the optics under this add min strau -- administration. >> absolutely they have a face of who the "illegal immigrant" is. and what we're seeing here is that immigration is also a black issue. and we should be fighting for our brothers and sisters that

are currently in detention, who are being detained. he joer st-- over stayed his vi. people should be home with their families right now. he should be able to perform at the gram mys tomorrow, with his three children. and he is locked away. >> he has employees, he is a producti producti producti productive s producti producti producti producti producti productive citizen. he should be able to go forward as a celebrating artist. >> yeah, black lives matter,

define american, along with united we dream. we garnered over 400,000 signatures. they can said spring him home and stop his deportation. we have seen them ratchet up in this at mid strain who has used fear and shameless racism to continue to lock people up in detention. >> so you're appealing to people to sign the petition and keep it out there not just as an artist but a symbol for what is happening under the radar, but very much across the board to many people of color as well as anyone being held wrongly in terms of some of the operations

that i.c.e. instituted. >> yeah, and we want a larger conversation about i.c.e. and what they have done, separate families, criminalize families and communities, we have seen them work with local law enforcement. and increase people's vulnerability. he happens to be famous, but people not famous like him risk their entire lives and careers and get separated from their families because of this administration. >> okay, patrice, the only one allowed to call me o.g. in public. up next my final thoughts, stay with us. up next my final thoughts, stay with us. ure.

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>> a year ago this week we will note the one year anniversary of the massacre at the parkland school in florida. and since that time, the students organized and have moved across this country with utmost discipline and effectiveness, trying to spread the word of gun reform. trying to deal with the madness

that they suffered watching their friends die and watching the bloodshed in the place they go for learning. and trying to affect and in some cases affecting local policies. what we have not seen in the last year is this congress, and this administration, move on gun control and deal with this issue in a forthright matter. with these young people showing the best in the american spirit, standing up for something bigger than them and trying to move the country forward in a way that is good for all, they have had deaf ears from the top and it didn't stop them from doing bus rides and other things on the bottom to change this celebration of gun culture that lead to the climate in parkland.

that does it for me, thanks for watching, i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of politics naugs. up next, deadline white house with my friend nicolle wallace. hi, everyone, it is 4:00 in washington dc. we're covering all of it for you. we start with the man in charge of the mueller investigation, matt whittaker and a hearing that was combative and contentious, she drew a line in the sand today about his conversations with the president and the mueller probe, and he did so after saying he would not answer any questions about his conversations with the president. >> at any point since that briefing have you