welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt. we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. tonight -- stop me if you heard this one before. congress just five days from a shutdown again. plus, just in, more of president trump's private schedules leaked from the white house. seriously. and amy klobuchar in, elizabeth warren, in. it's becoming a race of contrast as 2020 hits full speed in the falling snow. plus, yes, virginia, there

is a crisis in your state. top democrats refuse to resign as pressure mounts. we're going to talk exclusively with former republican governor bob mcdonald. but tonight we start with good faith negotiations, or at least those posing as such. first, there's amazon's ceo jeff bezos, who is accusing american media of blackmail and extortion after allegedly threatening to publish sensitive photos from an extramarital affair in the "national enquirer." american media calls those discussions with him, quote, good-faith negotiations. and then there's president trump's announcement on twitter that he plans to hold a second summit with kim jong-un, this time in vietnam. back in october, amid reports that the u.s. would maintain sanctions against the regime, pyongyang said the administration was, quote, responding to good faith with

evil. in november, u.s. intelligence sources told nbc news that north korea is continuing work on its ballistic missile program. and then there's capitol hill, where up until today, things seemed to be on track to keep the government open. but now we are seeing optimism fade over whether negotiations will reach a compromise that the president can sign. let's say that the hard-core left wing of the democratic party prevails in this negotiation and they put a bill on the president's desk with zero money for the wall or $800 million, some absurdly low number. how does he sign that? he cannot in good faith sign that. >> my sources are saying talks have stalled and if a deal is not struck, keeping the government open is in serious jeopardy. joining me msnbc contributor jeremy peters, associated press and white house reporter and msnbc political analyst jonathan lemire, former nrcc communications director matt gorman and npr white house correspondent and host of the podcast, tam ra keith. thank you all for being here. when i left the hill at the end

of last week, everything was hunky-dory, as long as the white house stays out of it, we will be fine. there will not be another shutdown. jonathan, now what i hear from both hill and administration sources, actually no, the white house is ready to potentially walk away from this over a completely separate issue than the border wall. it's how many people i.c.e. can detain at a time, and suddenly we're talking about a continuing resolution for a year and nobody has any idea whether or not that's even going to fly. >> that's right. there's no question talks have hit a snag. or in the last 24 to 48 hours there's been a real impasse over, yes, continued debate about funding for the wall. nobody thinks president trump will get $5.7 billion but there are 1 1/2, 2.5, whatever it might be. also detention beds and what i.c.e. means to the two parties.

this has become an important issue for democrats who want to abolish the whole agency, and republicans say why compromise if he won't get the funding he so desires? and mick mulvaney, the clip you played, the chief of staff saying, of course, the wasn't doesn't want a shutdown but they're not willing to rule it out. if the president cannot get something he can sign, yes, the government can shut down or at the very least we have a continuing resolution and will do this all again down the road. mulvaney also interestingly said the national emergency, which some republicans, of course, don't want -- >> most even. >> again, the president is still going to keep that in his arsenal. he's not going to rule out using that. there's the third scenario where the congress gives him some money and then he tries to find the rest elsewhere in the government, perhaps the department of defense or elsewhere. that in itself may draw a legal challenge but that might not be so bad for the president, who wants that kind of fight as he keeps the issue alive.

>> let's go back to the i.c.e. question. i think that's an important one. when you talk to the administration, tameria, they frame this -- or at least they are in my conversations, a question about whether or not positive abolish i.c.e. entirely. they are essentially saying if you cap the number of beds, places they put people they detain, you're essentially abolishing our capability to do enforcement inside the country and that seems like an incredally -- like we're back to another incredibly emotional red line. >> right. and also in this debate that we've been now having for 45 days or whatever it is, there are a lot of strawmen and abolishing i.c.e. entirely are not what democrats are talking about doing. that is arguably a strawman

that's been put up there. i.c.e. is something very sensitive for democrats. as much as they previously talked about the wall being immoral, they're taking in moral terms about the administration's policy on detaining people, rounding up people in the country, illegally but who have been here a long time and haven't committed any crimes. the democrats on the hill are saying that they are trying to put constraints on the administration's policy of finding pretty much anyone in the country and detaining them for deportation. >> let's take a look at how some of the administration officials and lead negotiators framed this issue just earlier today. take a look. >> is it a done deal? no, it isn't. we could end up in a train wreck, which hand before. but i don't think anybody has an appetite for a government shutdown, and i think everybody wants to make sure our border is secure. >> we not definitively rule out a government shutdown at the end of the week. >> you cannot. >> i say 50/50 we get a deal. i hope and pray we do. >> so the glass is half full. >> it depends how you look at that, isn't it, senator? matt korman, what do you

think republicans on the hill do in this situation? >> call me an optimist, i think we're more so not heading for a shutdown than heading for one. mitch mcconnell's favorite saying is there's to education in the second kick of a mule -- >> or the third. >> or the third possibly. i think that's going to win out this time. >> i thought that too on thursday but listening to stuff this morning, i'm not sure i agree. >> i also think we will see senators, especially those in purple states up for re-election, collins, tillis, gardner, people who held their fire for the shutdown last time, even people like murkowski or connor who aren't up will be more vocal about preventing a shutdown. and again, maybe even a continuing resolution to some time, maybe break the log jam, i think that's the most likely scenario right now. >> jeremy, you agree? >> i think you're absolutely right. i'm hearing the same thing, there are republicans holding back, ready to unleech. but trump doesn't care. he didn't care about their re-elections. he doesn't care if he has a republican senate or democratic senate. >> i think the question, if they came to a deal, they might ended up with a veto-proof majority but now that the deal is not in

place, i don't think how they get there. >> this although i think speaks to a larger problem of the culture of the republican party, and this started with the shutdown in 2013 you and i both covered. >> yes. >> and think about how much our assessment of political damage that these things caused has changed since then. there were people in the party saying this is a terrible idea, with shouldn't do it. now they have to. the chief of staff of the president of the united states is saying, yep, we might have a shutdown and that's extraordinary. it shows the republicans have now become a party of fighting. they have to fight. their voters need to think the people that they've elected are fighting at all costs. that's such a huge part of trump's brand and why he was successful as a presidential candidate. and he's fighting but the problem is, there's really no

way for him to win this fight in the way that he's explained he's going to win because, remember, another part of his brand, keeping promises. it will be hard to keep these promises. >> and it's very clear the last shutdown damaged this president. which is why the next topic we will move on to is a little difficult. last sunday we reported on an ox oes scoop on how the president spends his days in the white house. it said according to leaked internal schedules, trump spent approximately 60% of his scheduled time during a three-month period in unstructured, quote, executive time. the white house was reportedly, surprise-surprise, displeased by the leak and is carrying out an investigation to find out who's behind it. >> it's not the content. it's the fact that someone within the white house spent three months collecting this information, which is really, really hard to do. and it also sheds light on the fact many people who work for us weren't hired for us. >> how close are you to finding

out who did it? >> i'm hoping to have a resolution on that this week. >> so you're really close? >> yes, sir. >> well, just out tonight, axios received for more of the president's scheduled from last week, after that first report came out. the schedules are not a full picture of how the president spends his time and there's a more detailed, tightly held version of the schedule. in a tweet this morning the president spun his executive time as a producting working period adding he, quote, probably works more hours than almost any past president. okay. who wants to take this? jonathan, it seems clearly they're going after this person. clearly this person is not afraid of being caught. >> no, this person -- the investigation began last week, this person is still leaking schedules this weekend. but your acting chief of staff goes on fox news and says we're going to identify this person

this week and then go on to say how hard it is to fire a federal worker. make an attempt to fire the person and the leaks keep coming. there's a real sense of defiance here from whoever is leaking these. it must be pointed out about 400 people have access to this particular schedule. as you say, there's a much smaller pool that has access to a tightly held one. >> how small is that pool? kellyanne conway? closest people we know? >> senior staff. names watching the show would be familiar with. but the leaks here are clearly meant to embarrass this president. that's what this is about. yes, trump can spin it on twitter today saying it's mostly working but there's been analysis after analysis done on the periods on the schedule are labeled executive time line up with majority of his tweeting time. so yes, undoubted will he makes phone calls. white house staff pushed all of the white house reporters to say this is when he's calling this congressional leader or world ally but he's also doing what else we know he does, watch

cable news. >> which republican leaders really love. >> people talk about schedules, it sheds some light, you spend time with a couple of 4-year-olds, you tell them not to do something, and they will do it. look at them and tell them again, they will do it again. >> we have a toddler in the white house? >> something like that. these tell us it's much more about the acts than what it is actually in these schedules. >> think about what it says the level of respect that people have who work for this president. >> can you imagine anybody doing this with barack obama? >> absolutely not, they wouldn't. there are people there that went to work every day who felt like they worked for a man who was good and decent. >> or george w. bush. i'm not trying to make a partisan point. >> with the exception of extreme loyalists and that's a shrinking

number every day in this white house, the people who work for president trump think he's a joke. >> there's a statement. >> that certainly is. it works the other way too, where there's a shrinking number of people the president trusts. and there are not many people around him who can get in his ear and convince him on things one way or another but he is convinced so much of the staff is out to get him. >> and there's just something in what mulvaney said where you talk about how easy it will be to fire a federal worker, how people he didn't hire, he seems to be implying this is a career person and not a political person that came in with trump. >> interesting point. john lemire, you also write for the ap in his third year in office, trump is starting to air reruns, the reality tv star. you mention the upcoming summit with kim jong-un. trump was delighted the first summit received around-the-clock coverage for days, something he hoped to repeat last summer when he met with vladimir putin in helsinki. but trump saw the coverage take a negative turn as he refused to side with intelligence agencies in a post coverage news conference. aides counseled the president a second summit would not carry the same drama as the first and needed more concrete results but president trump urged them to move forward before announcing it in this past week state of the union address, he insisted to advisers that the vietnam summit would still be must-see tv.

and told one confidante that the idea of good versus evil would be irresistible. tamara, this president thrives on this drama. the country has gotten used to it. how many seasons do they say it takes before people get tired of a reality series tv, they say six. this is only two. do you think they're getting tired of it? >> if this were a movie we would be in the part of a romantic comedy where things are going great but things have to fall apart before they can reconcile and be happily ever after. love letters exchanged and how great kim is. it seems the next step, we need more drama if this story is going to play out like a movie. >> where are republicans on this? are they comfortable with this? >> it doesn't seem like it, at least when it comes down to election time. last time in 2018, people wanted to focus on individual races. they didn't want a big dawn and pony show with the president following them everywhere. one of the things i'm waiting to see is how the president 00 deals with the tensions of democrats on the trail. all of the democrats who used to cover him 24/7 will split their time as well. he's used to distracting. when he doesn't like the news coverage, distracting getting out of it.

are they comfortable with this? >> it doesn't seem like it, at least when it comes down to election time. last time in 2018, people wanted to focus on individual races. they didn't want a big dawn and pony show with the president following them everywhere. one of the things i'm waiting to see is how the president 00 deals with the tensions of democrats on the trail. all of the democrats who used to cover him 24/7 will split their time as well. he's used to distracting. when he doesn't like the news coverage, distracting getting out of it. i remember when i worked for jeb, ted cruz wins i'd wa and he becomes canadian. we couldn't ee it with the shutdown with the government workers being out of work, he couldn't get out of it. he painted himself in a corner. i'm curious if that will happen this time. >> something tells me the media will still cover trump. >> i agree with you. we will see. its still very early and we're getting a lot of 2020. a lot more to come senator debbie stabenow will join me. plus, what in the world is going on in virginia?

first, do the 2020 elections truly begin this week? democrats blanket early primary states as elizabeth warren and amy klobuchar launch they're campaigns. we will talk about where the democratic party stands. okay, paint a picture for me.

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you have said that you are considering your thinking about >> to fight or unite? that is the question for a crowded field of 2020 presidential candidates. senator amy klobuchar and senator elizabeth warren both launching their campaigns in the freezing cold. klobuchar talked about grit with

her snow-drenched audience braving frigid temperatures in minneapolis. warren came out swinging against the president in lawrence, minnesota. and both made their backdrops a central character as they tried to separate themselves from the 2020 landscape. >> everyone who's traveled here to lawrence. >> we are gathered here today on this beautiful mississippi river. >> on january 11th 1912, a group of women who worked right here at the everett million discovered that their bosses had cut their pay, and that was it. the women said enough is enough! >> the mississippi river, all of our rivers, they connect us to one another, to our shared story, for this is how our country was founded, with patriots who saw more that united them than divided them. >> families that were already going to bed hungry, had to make due with even less. they were cold, they were under attack, but they stuck together and they won. >> i don't have a political machine. i don't come from money, but

what i do have is this -- i have grit! i -- i have family, i have friends, i have neighbors, and i have all of you who are willing to come in the middle of winter! >> i'm just going to say, props ali vitaly, who was there for nbc news. i would have died in that weather. props to amy klobuchar for that. i -- i have family, i have friends, i have neighbors, and i have all of you who are willing to come in the middle of winter! >> i'm just going to say, props ali vitaly, who was there for nbc news. i would have died in that weather. props to amy klobuchar for that. but we showed the two women talking about the places they're from but the reality is, they sort of represent different paths for the democratic party. amy klobuchar is trying to occupy this icann back to the

midwest, more centrist, optimistic way of looking at things. elizabeth warren on the progressive side, you can see she's taking the angry at the establishment position. who do you think wins out? how do you think this plays out? >> you're exactly right. they're both trying to mold their candidacies around left populism but by different ways. elizabeth warren has a serious plan about taxing the ultra wealthy in this country, not only tax their income but value of the property they own, everything from like art to their homes and things like that, i believe. so you have that playing out, while at the same time you have someone like amy klobuchar, who won't go quite that far and is testing whether or not the democratic primary electorate is willing to go for somebody who may not make all of the liberal activists crazy but will argue that, okay, i can actually win a general election where i don't think elizabeth warren can. >> i can beat donald trump. in fact, elizabeth warren actually raised this as an interesting question though, in

some ways wondering whether it would be president trump in 2020. take a look at what she had to say after her speech. >> you mentioned you think the president may not be free. can you expand on that more? >> how many investigations are there now into him? it's no longer just the mueller investigation. they're everywhere. and these are serious investigations. we will see what happens. we need to get the mueller report back and make it public so everyone can see it. the answer may be another investigation comes to maturity before then. >> is she realistic the president may not be in office? >> i think democrats have been saying this since approximately january of 2017 but anything is possible.

she took a phrase from the president. she said we will see what happens. it could just be she was trolling the president of the united states a little bit because there's no doubt he's going to react to something like that. >> matt, what's your take here? and also, i think we have this instagram photo from donald trump jr. as well we should i think mention. this tweet from the president that referenced -- there it is right there on the screen -- just an absolute tragedy and donald trump jr. writing praise of his father there. matt gorman, how does this -- i mean, first of all, does the president doing this, what kind of impact does it have with republicans? should it draw condemnation? second of all, are these attacks

on elizabeth warren, we saw documents this week in her handwriting herself calling her an american indian, will this hurt her candidacy in the long run? >> i don't know about candidacy but it dogging her in a real way. she thought she could put this out in front of of it but there's more documents out there. the more i see elizabeth warren, the more i'm convinced she should have run last time. it seems the democratic field moved towards her and the field with klobuchar is more open. amy klobuchar makes me mer nervous with everybody beating everybody up on the left. when i worked for mitt and jeb, democrats would sit back and wait. i feel that way now as a republican with everybody fighting on the left. >> real quickly, i want to talk about a column you wrote about beto o'rourke, you say to run or not to run? that is the question. there's a less polite way to say what he needs to do in your estimation. >> yes. >> how has his 2019 been so far? >> not so great. it's been probably the worst of any contender out there i think. he's not used to the fact in

2018 you can beat not ted cruz and gobble up support. when you're running against folks like klobuchar and harris and others, you need political talent and get people to vote for you and not just against the other guy. i needs to spend more time being himself and less time finding himself. >> and certainly this two-month odyssey of finding himself is something you can imagine president trump having fun with on twitter or the campaign trail. >> i'm surprised he hasn't had more fun yet. mr. it's coming. right now his focus seems to be on elizabeth warren, yes, he tweets last night the potentially offensive reference to the trail of tears but more than that, the pocahontas comments all the time and he's telling advisers day after day that's who he wants. warren is his ideal candidate. >> yes, this is the person he wants to fight. he feels like he matches best against. and her announcement in lawrence, imagine this, where i went to high school. >> very nice. to your point, the president seemed to express regret in that

lunch with anchors perhaps he did too good of a job taking lawrence elizabeth warren too early. gentlemen, thank you all very much for being here tonight. before we go to break, we want to take a movement to remember two love-serving members of the house of representatives. we learned earlier republican congressman walter jones of north carolina died today on his 76th birthday. jones was first elected to the house in 1994 and would go on to serve 12 terms. he gained fame trying to achieve what he called penance for his vote on the iraq war, reportedly signing 11,000 letters to dead service members since 2003. and this week we also said did bye to the former dean of the house, democratic congressman from michigan, john dingell. a world war ii veteran, dingell was the longest-serving congressman in american history. he a 59-year run which he served under every president from eisenhower to obama. he was a champion to the auto industry, exposed government corruption and helped write most of our nation's environmental and energy laws. he was instrumental in passing medicare legislation and when it came time for president obama to sign the affordable care act into law, dingell was by his side. he was also known for his incredible wit and pretty

incredible twitter game. some of our favorites, quote, 99% of you don't even deserve 140 characters. thanks. quote, staff is not informed me of what a kardashian is. i'm only left with more questions. quote, we should have all just stared at the eclipse. and, quote, everything's a balance beam when you're 90. he dictated a farewell op-ed and signed off, with this final tweet, quote, the lovely deborah is insisting i rest and stay off of here. but after long negotiations we worked out a deal where she will keep me up with twitter for me stared at the eclipse. and, quote, everything's a balance beam when you're 90. he dictated a farewell op-ed and signed off, with this final tweet, quote, the lovely deborah is insisting i rest and stay off of here. but after long negotiations we worked out a deal where she will keep me up with twitter for me as i dictate the messages. i want to thank you all for your incredibly kind words and prayers. you're not done with me just yet. congressman dingell died at his home in dearborn, michigan, of pos state cancer at 92 with his wife by his side.

speakers at his funerals will include bill clinton, joe biden and john boehner. and i would also like to add he was a lifelong michigan fan. go blue! when we come back, i'm joined by former governor bob mcdonald to talk about the shambles that is virginia politics and the hunger for leadership.

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♪ on the very first day of 2019, governor ralph northam of virginia signed four proclamations. one declared 2019 a year of reconciliation and civility and sought to commemorate the 400th anniversary of the first enslaved africans brought to virginia. northam joined a group called virginians for reconciliation, whose goal was to spend this year with community outreach to, quote, accelerate the healing of racial divisions. so much has hand since then. northam says he won't resign and so far neither will the attorney general over scandals surrounding blackface photos from their college days. and then there's lieutenant governor justin fairfax, now accused of sexual assault by two different women.

he says he had consensual sex with dr. vanessa tyson and meredith watson, both women say they're willing to testify at impeachment hearings if need be. fairfax is calling for an investigation and says he will clear his good name. he said, quote, it is obvious that a vicious and coordinated smear campaign is being orchestrated against me. i will not resign. joining me now is former republican governor of virginia, bob mcdonald. he's also a member of the group virginians for reconciliation. governor, thank you so much for joining me tonight. take a look at what governor northam had to say if his first interview just this morning. >> virginia needs someone that can heal. there's no better person to do that than a doctor. virginia also needs someone who is strong, who has empathy, who

has courage and who has a moral compass. that's why i'm not going anywhere. i have learned from this. i have a lot more to learn. but we're in a unique opportunity now. >> governor, do you think that ralph northam is capable of healing the commonwealth, or do you think he needs to resign? >> you know, my conversations with the governor, i told him i think that really is a choice that needs to make, does he think he can restore their trust that's been breached by this revelation about his yearbook? and does he think he can maintain the leadership with his cabinet and his staff? i think after a week of staying out of the public light and talking to a number of people, i think he's concluded that he can. i think we believe we're a nation of second chances.

we believe in redemption and reconciliation and doing better today and smarter today than we were yesterday. i think -- i'm just saddened for our state. the mother of presidents who cradle democracy and now we have this horrific insult to african-american citizens all around the state, and i think the governor has reflected and believes he can still lead. >> what do you think these blackface photographs, the incidents governor northam has described as well, what do they say about governor northam's character? do you think they say that he is a racist? >> you know, kasie, i thought a lot about that. i stood with him three weeks ago as we kicked off virginians for reconciliation. he proclaimed this the year of reconciliation and civility in virginia as he commemorated the 400th anniversary of this horrific event of enslaved african-americans coming to virginia. but the man i saw there making comments with empathy and strength just three weeks ago doesn't look like the man that's in those pictures, if that's him. we still don't know all of the facts. so i think he's been chasant and humbled and believes he's still able to lead. i think it says in his upbringing and maybe even people like me who grew up in largely white neighborhoods, didn't understand the incredible i sult to our african-american

neighbors that something like that would do. we've came a long way in the 35 years since that picture came out. but the reason we started virginia reconciliation is we have so much more to do to have a fully just and equal society where everybody is treated in the image and likeness of god. that's the way we're created. i think the governor's thought you about this last week and believes he can lead. >> obviously, this is something that's not just been confined to the governor northam. the attorney general of virginia also said he appeared in blackface at one point in his life. how pervasive is this among white residents, ambitious residents, perhaps, in virginia? have you yourself ever appeared if black ps face? >> no, kasie, i didn't even know what the term meant until a few years ago. i had not seen it. i had seen it on minstrel shows on tv maybe when i was a kid growing up.

i have to say until these last couple of weeks, i had not thought deeply about the incredible offense that it means to black people because of the abomination of slavery. virginia was the capital of confederacy, the place where the first african-americans came. we had this ugly legacy of jim crow and massive resistance, and hurt caused to other people by the insensitivity and lack of understanding among white people about what that means. so i think -- i know as tough as this sounds in this horrific situation, we find ourself in, i think god's given us a chance to really take a hard look at this and have a deep -- deep discussion, peeling back the onion about truth telling, about the history of virginia. we've come a long way, we have the fist african-american governor in all of the united states with my friend doug wild ner but we have so much further to go. and this will be an opportunity this year for repentance, for reconciliation, for forgiveness and find tangible ways to actually get things done that honor people of color in this state. >> do you think that president trump has made having that conversation easier or harder? >> i think the general

incivility and hyper partisanship and horrific tone of our politics in washington generally have -- >> with all due respect, the president has gone farther, what happened in your state in charlottesville, what he had to say about those protesters. >> yeah, i think his tone after charlottesville and the mistakes >> do you think that president trump has made having that conversation easier or harder? >> i think the general incivility and hyper partisanship and horrific tone of our politics in washington generally have -- >> with all due respect, the president has gone farther, what happened in your state in charlottesville, what he had to say about those protesters. >> yeah, i think his tone after charlottesville and the mistakes that he made then were hurtful to the cause and helping us to heal after charlottesville. i think the overall tone of both the president and, frankly, people in congress hurts the ability for people to be civil to get things done, particularly on these issues of race.

that's why i think virginia especially after this incident the last couple of weeks has an ee nourm enormous ability to lead. we understand the abomination of slavery and its legacy in virginia. because of that we will step up and have an honest dialogue and actually get things done to be able to honor people and have a civil, equal, justice society. that's the goal of virginia, reconciliation. i think the governor because he's been chastened and humbled, i think he feels he's in position to lead and i look forward to working with him on that. >> before i let you go, sir, justin fairfax, lieutenant governor of virginia, now has two women accusing him of sexual assault, one of whom has several people corroborating her story, saying she told them about what hand in realtime. do you think the lieutenant governor should step down?

>> those are very, very serious allegations, when there are two people especially that come forward, it raises the bar. there definitely should be an investigation. we've all called for that. i do get concern though, kasie, about trying criminal cases in the media, where you have -- >> should he be impeached? >> very little defense. there's a resolution to do that. i think the house will decide that. but i think people should be given that presumption of innocence. it's a fundamental american value. i think the allegations are not only serious, they're criminal. therefore a full investigation has to take place. if he believes now he is incapable of governing, he should step down. but ultimately, the people have decided they want these three men in office, and if they can't govern, they should do what's right by the people and step down.

look, we're all people, we don't have perfect politicians, kasie, and i hope an investigation will get to the truth of what's going on there. >> former virginia governor bob mcdonald, thank you so much for being here tonight, sir. appreciate it. when we return, i'm joined live by senator debbie stabenow. live by senator debbie stabenow.

it's race against the clock, as congress tries to avoid yet another government shutdown. ahead of a short and very busy week, i'm joined by democratic senator from michigan, debbie stabenow. senator, it's great to have you on the show tonight. >> it's great to be on this show, kasie. as a woman with michigan roots,

we're so proud of you. i say michigan twice because i know your university of michigan and i went to michigan state, but you must be happy. you have them as the top of the big ten right now. >> you know, knock on wood, it's been at times rough for some of the other sports, but you're right, things are looking up. thank you again for being here. i will give you a go green. all in the family. >> all right. all right. >> let's start with the governor shutdown. you're a member of democratic leadership. where do you see this -- how do you see this unfolding? are democrats absolutely unwilling to move on this question of detention beds? do you think it's going to sink the whole compromise? >> first of all, people have been working all weekend as you know, and even though there

haven't been formal conference meetings in the last number of hours, people are on the phone talking. and what we want is what makes sense, what people tell us that is needed to be able to keep our citizens safe and to make sure that federal workers don't have their wages held hostage in the process of this. and so there's a way to do this as it relates to the detention beds to make sure we're talking about serious criminals and doing things in a way that make sense and, by the way, the biggest thing that i would be doing is comprehensive immigration reform. but in the context of this budget, what we've got to do is continue to focus on republicans and democrats negotiating, i believe, that we will be able to come together on legislation that makes sense, that funds of government going forward, the rest of the government and the president needs -- -- need to step back and let that happen. >> are you confident the government will not shut down at the end of the week?

>> kasie, i wish i can say yes. when we buy 100 senators, 100-0 pass unanimous concept in december to keep the government services going, we didn't know at the time that the president was going to change his mind and decide not to support that. at this point he has said he would support whatever was agreed to by democrats and republicans. now we hear this weekend maybe not. so here's what i know. i know that members on both sides of the aisle and congress do not want a government shut shutdown. if we get an agreement that doable, then it's up to us. if the president has something on his desk and wants to veto it, we have to outride the veto. because it's not fair to the workers being held as hostages. >> let's talk about the 2020 primary, your former mid-wirn senator amy klobuchar, standing in quite the blizzard, i might say -- >> looked like michigan today. >> exactly, that she's running for president. she in some cases represents a more centrist view of the primary. primary, your former mid-wirn senator amy klobuchar, standing in quite the blizzard, i might say -- >> looked like michigan today. >> exactly, that she's running for president. she in some cases represents a

more centrist view of the primary. one of the main fault lines has been this question about medicare for all. i know you've been working on a medicare-related bill, sherrod brown, i guess he's not an officially declared candidate, but he said he doesn't think medicare for all could pass. what is the legislation you and i are pushing? how is it different than just straight medicare for all? >> kasie, i'm excited about this because i really believe this can pass, and it's a very important piece of universal health care coverage. and this is allowing people at age 50 to be able to choose to buy into medicare and pay a premium and be able to have medicare coverage. i don't know how many times i have heard from folks that either got laid off, had to retire early, off, had to retire early, that told me they were holding their breath to get to medicare at 65.

we know when you're above 50 you're likely to have higher healthcare costs to use more healthcare. having this be available as a choice for people, to be able to buy into a system, we design it in a way that doesn't affect at all the premiums and benefits of those 65 and older on medicare, but people would be having all the benefits of current medicare and pay a premium and be able to be covered. >> senator, one other thing before i let you go here, this week we lost the dean of the house, john dingle, who of course, a legend in michigan politics, beloved by his wife, debbie dingell still serving in the house. i wondered if you have any memories you wanted to share about congressman dingell. >> he was a lion of public ngel. >> he was a lion of public dawn is for more than just dishes. with 3x more grease cleaning power per drop, it tackles tough grease on a variety of surfaces. try dawn ultra.

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this morning another possible government shutdown is looming at the end of the week. lawmakers have until friday to strike a deal on border security but negotiations stalled over the weekend. >> virginia governor ralph northam said he's staying put despite controversy over a racist photo. the embattled governor says he won resign and thinks he can help heal his state. >> another lawmaker enters the already crowded 2020 democratic field. amy klobuchar is the latest to enter the race for the white house.