poke and poke and poke at it it will get to him. >> senator amy klobuchar will be rachael maddow's guest at 9:00 p.m. thank you so much for watching. "mtp daily" -- >> i know if i need to switch to alcohol by about 8:00, if by 9:08 i'm breathing harder i open the wine. >> okay, so nicolle wall street, thank you so much. if it is monday, the road to 2020 is a wall. good evening, i'm katie turr,

president trump is up against a wall, the very same wall he is going to the border to sell, he will arrive in el paso, texas. the president tried to make a referendum about border security, if you remember, and remembering when they took a drumming and losing control of the house. tonight's rally comes as congressional negotiators are running out of time to reach a deal on border security. clearly the president is trying to reenergize his base drilling down on the same rhetoric that helped put him in the white house in the first place. at the same time the democrats that are running to defeat him are trying to energize their own basely directly confronting the president for his rhetoric or for the investigations against him, or by ignoring him all

together. >> tonight president donald trump is going to el paso, texas to create a circus of fear and paranoia, like he always does, don't take the bait. >> by the time we get to 2020, donald trump may not even be president. manufacture, he may not even be a free person. >> let us cross the river of our divides and walk across our sturdy bridge to higher ground. >> that right there is the constructicrux of the potential dilemma. do they want a fighter or a you nighter as the head of the party. which will be more effective?

eddie is part of our panel tight, noah rothman, and heather mcgee i guess, first, what is the goal here for the democrats? what is the best strategy for them? do they pick somebody that can fight? that will stand up to the president on his rhetoric? or someone like klobuchar that didn't say his once in her announcement peach in minnesota. someone that tries to rise above it and run on uniting the party. >> to me it should be a bold vision and path for the party and someone who is capable when necessary of responding to trump can vigor and a compelling counter argument. we don't need just a you nighter

or just a fighter, you need both. i think it happens in the context of someone putting forward a vision that will put the country on a different path. part of what we have to do is work through this design, this under lying problem, that is in some ways we want to reach for a period that is for donald trump. looking back ward is the program, we want to look forward. >> let's look forward at what he wants to do tonight in el paso. the official information put out by the government is not the same, he is saying it is dangerous and crime ridden. the mayor was on with me earlier and here is what he said. saying it is the safest city is

correct, but he was echoing remarks of our attorney general from a few weeks ago. and to provide deference there. >> he was responding to what the president said about el paso in the state of the union, the president was confronted with what he has said now for years. el paso is not a friendly place for him. >> you're entirely right about him giving out statistics that were wrong. this time he was using statistics from the attorney general. and he initiated this line. that el pass so is safer since wall. but you're right it's not a

friendly place to him. they voted overwhelmingly for hillary clinton in 2016. those communities are the most democratic in the state of texas. number two why is he suggesting this could end down in a shut down again. the last polling was in the last government shut down. why would he put himself through that when virtually nobody believes this shut down, if it comes, is a result of democrats, it is a result of president trump. >> and trump ran on immigration, the wall, and all of this in the midterm elections and republicans lost the house by a large margin. what do you think? >> perhaps she going somewhere not friendly because he wants

his base energized by his opponents. he has a record in office now, it's not especially full of accomplishments. and his base is animated by fear of the opposition. so he could possiblyize the opposition, get them to over reach, and say they are responsible for his failed attempt. and as negotiations over this shut down are going, we're starting to see what i think are the outlines of democratic outreach. we now have a demand for arbitrary caps. the tensions inside the country, i think the president would love to navigate that issue and he can assemble a coalition. >> correct me if i'm wrong, but it is about whoa exactly should

occupy those beds and they're trying to make a differentiation between violent criminals and those with misdemeanors on their record. is that a difference to the american public that will make a second potential shut down this year still on donald trump? or will democrats face their own push back because of the way that argument will sound. >> don't they is an issue that will be elevated in the minds of most americans. they are lying for people that have come to seek the american dream in this country. we have got to have some way to look at i.c.e. as an agency not

detaining violent immigrants. we need many more judges dealing with the backlog and something that republicans actually agree with. there is a narrow fear mongering that comes up in moments of political panic. it didn't win him the midterms. a lot of things came to play with the comey letter. >> i think he makes a good point about the president -- she says the majority of people she has seen walking in were not from el pa paso. they were driving from hours away, an hour or two hours. they didn't necessarily matter where he was having it. people would come in from all over. he will get a protest tonight

and he will get loyalists as well. listen to him talking about the counter mash in el paso. >> we will immediate lies and hate with the trult and a vision for a future with the u.s.-mexico border. >> is that the way to energize more republicans? by fighting with them publicly? >> that could be the case, that could be the consequence, but we should not care, there is a finite number of folks in his base. he can't run against hillary in 2020, and in this moment we need to say up front that all of this is driven by a profound lie.

he is lying about el paso, abot the immigration crisis. and the expectation is that we're supposed to negotiation with someone who is manufacturing a crisis based on a lie, i don't understand that. it seems to me that what others are doing they need to do and we need to duplicate all over the country and if his base gets motivated, so be it, we have to understand that we have to fight for the country that we want. >> allow me to add one other thing, the president did proms that mexico would pay for the wall, next skoe not paying for the wall and it is important to bring that up. the idea that he is keeping his promise to the base but he is not. he promised mexico would pay for it. ultimately though, is it a good idea for the president to go

back to what won him the 2016 election. is that enough for him? we talk about the democrats having to turn over trump triers, but what about the vast group of people that did not vote that could be energized now. there will be a big group that will want to do that. because the rhetoric among presidential candidates is really pushing hard to the left, you know medicare for all, elizabeth warren promoting the multimillionaire tax, we all have of these people that are

largely suburban. if their other ops tion is a democrat that is extremely liberal, maybe that pushes them back toward thinking about trump again. >> that is a really important question, maybe the most important for the democratic party. are these eyideas affordable health care for all. are they modern ideas? absolutely not. the main question is not where do they fit in the spectrum of politicians, it's where do they fit in the spectrum. >> bernie sanders was southing a lot of very progroessive ideas,

he had a lot more cross overvoters for donald trump than donald trump and hillary clinton did. there was a lot of trump voters that really liked bernie sanders. >> and personality i think is a better sell for promises like that than the policies themselves. the question for me is not if they poll well, but if they work. this is a pool of money that is really small. 16,000 people that paid that much in 2016 if we're talking about a small, small pool of money. $500 billion can do a lot of roads and bridges. >> $38 trillion, $500 billion for free instate tuition. >> that might be the case if you're exchanging one for the other that might be the case, but the idea that we just don't

need that extra $500 billion because it's not enough for everything else -- but are the goal posts moving there? i mean most people look at that $500 billion and say i got potholes in my street. i got the highway that leads to the center of my town could be widened because there is a bottleneck of traffic. the bridge got a d minus in my town. that money is real life for people. >> for infrastructure that is something else but we never mentioned infrastructure. >> you can have physical and social structure, it building a republican set of tax cuts that benefit the ultra wealthiy. those whied are popular. a suburban voter says the government is coming for my

money now. people want things to help make ends meet. child care, housing, i would rather for that socially than privately. >> everyone likes to hear you have a lot social programs. you would have to contribute more. >> of course there would be a tradeoff. >> go ahead, no time at all. >> of course there is a tradeoff, but it is a reflection of what we value. i may not have had the money to send my kid to a private school because i needed to, but we found it because that is something we valued and made a decision. in my every day life and personal life, right? if we value the human -- if we value the folks in our society, if we value education, if we value health care, we will find

the money. we're the richest nation in the history of the world. >> and we valued this conversation, we went overtime, and now we will trade it off with time in another segment later in the show. stick with us, next we will talk about the fallout of the growing democratic divisions with house majority leader hoyer. keep it right here. majority leader hoyer. keep it right here at fidelity, we help you prepare for the unexpected with retirement planning and advice for what you need today

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>> it is stalled right now. ily is a 50/50 we get a deal, i hope and pray that we do. >> that was negotiations being described as stalled. top republicans and democrats on the committee are meeting to restart talks that soured on a

disagreement of detention beds available to i.c.e. for undocumented immigrants coming into the country. they call thad a poison pill that was a nonstarter with the white house. if a deal cannot be approved by both chambers of congress by friday, we could be looking at another democratic shut down. majority leader, thank you for being here. there was discussions at 3:30 p.m. today, any idea where they stand? >> i don't know, it is my information that they are taking a break and meeting back at 6:00. certainly traumatizing federal employees and shutting down the government is not an option. hopefully that will be solved by an agreement hopefully tonight.

>> so the issue at stake here is the number of beds used to house undocumented imgranmigrantimmig that they should not be allowed to stay in the country. >> there is no doubt that this is not what it is about. we want sufficient beds for criminals to be taken off of the street, that includes immigrants. what the issue is is the random

blanket arrests for people that have committed no crimes. the president talks about a hoard of criminals comes across the border. if you talk to the people in el pea paso, it is largely mothers and children, not criminals by any stretch of the imagination. so i want to make it clear that chairwoman, who is the chair of the homeland security sub committee made it very, very clear that she wants to give sufficient beds so we can get criminals off of the street, and that is falling under size responsibili i.c.e. responsibility. she doesn't want a disruption of families and workers being handled in a civil, not a rounding up of people -- >> are you alleging the administration is just rounding up those types of people.

people who have not committed crimes but are just undocumented immigrants and being put in the beds? >> what i'm alleging is that the number of beds that the democratic side want is more than sufficient to round up criminals period. we don't want a corralling of people, that is what i'm alleging will happening, yes, and they don't need the beds they're requesting to do that. >> the republicans are now offering this idea according to the nbc news reporting of a one year continuing resolution that would keep funding at current levels. we're also hearing that democrats have rejected this, why? >> they don't like crs, they

continued spending at last year's level without any reference to additional needs or changes in priorities. so that crs are stopgap measures at best and an indication of failure to do our job. we have sent to the senate a bill that has six of the bills unrelated to homeland security, and the senate ought to take them up and pass them. and we want to soft the department of homeland security problem today not next week, six weeks from now, or have a cr that lasts until september 30th. >> but friday night before the led dyne, are democrats willing

to say no to that and head to another shut down? >> we're not for shut downs. we have not been for shut downs, we have not voted for shut downs, we absolutely don't want to see a shut down of any agency or department of the government friday at midnight, period. and we will take steps to ensure that doesn't happen. >> congressman omar is faces a lot of heat for comments she made on twitter. you and house democratic leadership put out a statement saying she was using anti-semitic tropes. certainly i accept the fact that if she says she didn't intend it to be a slur, but i would -- we were offended, we think many

people were offended, it was clearly an antisemitic reference she made and i hope it is a lesson to her to be more careful and sensitive as she would want people, as she pointed out, to be sensitive to her. both sides, or all sides, ought to treat one another with respect. any kind of prejudice against other people should not be far the of our vocabulary. hopefully her apology will be followed with actions that show that. >> would you argue that some have argued that her comments mean that she, herself, is anti-semitic? >> i don't want to -- don't think she is, i certainly hope she is not, but the language she used clearly was anti-semitic in

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is there anything that you want to say to the people of virginia. >> excuse me? i said we called for an independent investigation and i'm still very confident in the

truth. l lieutenant governor justin fairfax is calling for an investigation into the accusations. for now an effort to impeach him has slowed down alawmaker leading the charge appears to have backed off plans to file articles of impeachment. he is affecting the commonwealth top of fishes and he is vowing to stay in office. it has been mainly difficult for virginia and this country. i have thought about resigning. and i also thought about what the country needs right now and i think i can take virginia to the next level and be very positive. >> joining me now from the university of virginia, larry sabato, eddie, beth, and noah

are also back. you have northam refusing to resign, stirring up more controversy over the weekend, and then you have fair faction facing two accusers, where do the democrats go from here? >> well, i can tell you for sure based on conversations with people who have met with the governor in the last couple days that he is absolutely not going to resign. he has three years on the term. his wife strongly supports him and encouraged him to stay in office. and even though virtually every major democrat has called on him to resign, that is the situation. i think for fair fax it is time for an independent

investigation. nobody is sure which one it will be, have them take a look at this and if they can reach a conclusion it would be helpful. >> so the rich monday times is reporting that two of the three government staffers, and two employees of his political action committee resigned following the accusation of a second sexual assault allegation against him. they have confirmed for us that no doubt northam's refusal to resign is complicating things. >> this entire thing is, i think, an incredible example of the tlaflaws inherent in my hum beings. he made a connection between of

course we should senture these acts of racism, but also not ignore the systemic acts of racism. the republican party in virginia has passed numerous anti-voting issues and that is a greater impact than a costume that anyone has had. it is crazy that they are saying this person must go but not looking at what he has done. >> i wonder if the point you just made is why we see poll numbers like this. larry you can speak to this better than anyone else 58% of voters say he should stay on. it is almost split, 50 -- not quite, sorry, 57% say he should

stay, 40% says he should step down. how much of this is going to ultimate i will be decided by the voters of virginia rather than the people talking about it on television? >> one thing is for sure is that those of us on television will not decide this, so it will clear i will be other people. this november there is a race, an election, for all 140 seats in both houses in the state legislature. if lieutenant govern fairfax has resigned there will also be an opportunity to vote for lieutenant governor. no one is really sure of precisely what happened and what the junction will be.

>> so jason jaurns, he spoke with low tenant governor fairfax and here is what he told him. in six months i look forward to being exonerated and the investigations will be done in a way that makes the truth plain and public that i have never sexually assaulted anyone. i believe the democrats will be in a strong position to win majorities in the house and the senate, i think people will see the truth and allow us to continue to serve and get the things done that we set out to do. not many people in similar positions with similar accusations have been afforded this opportunity in this era to wait out an investigation. >> yeah, it is a me too moment, an attempt to shift the center of gravity for our culture. it is a difficult process that i

don't think can be resolved by adjudicating a case. given how i have been socialized as a man, how boys have been socialized and the like. i suspect this will require more of us than what we're currently experiencing now or what we are currently doing there. i think one of the things we have to grapple with is the meaning of holding public office. at least as of late it might be because of donald trump surviving his own accusations of sexual harassment and if people can't govern, if the accusation has gotten in the way of them being able to deliver on an agenda, they should resign. because they are getting in the way of the work of the people. there is a lot of stuff that has

to happen now and if northam is not going to resign, if fair fax won't resign, we will have to let it play out. >> we are keeping an eye on it and it getting more complicated by the day. so far it looks like no one is going anywhere. larry and eddie, thank you both, larry thank you for your insight into virginia politics. the panel is sticking around. coming up, an executive time warp. e time warp

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>> that executive time is on there to allow the president to prep for the next meeting. the phone calls start at 6:30 in the morning until 11:00 at night. >> mick mulvaney is trying to down play the reaction to the president's schedule being leaked. can you say that this executive time is very productive and it is actually not bad at all? and we're all looking at it the wrong way? >> it is very clear that so much of this is the television, right? before you have him tweeting during so-called. >> okay, you bring it up we'll put it on screen. "morning joe" talked about it at

7:42 this morning, listen to what they said. >> historians will record when this presidency is over that donald trump was the occupy th oval office and kdid less work than any other president to actually occupy the oval office. >> drum roll, please. at 7:43, the president tweeted this one minute later. no president ever worked harder than me, cleaning up the mess i inherited. does he mean no president has ever worked harder at watching television and tweeting about his television? >> so let's be -- let's step back for a second and say he's always done things differently than other presidents. just because other presidents have these very, very specific schedules -- with president george w. bush it was down to the ten-minute increment. that doesn't mean because you don't have your schedule laid out in ten-minute increments that you're not working.

he could be working and it's just not showing up on the schedules. to what you said a couple of seconds ago, where is the evidence that there is actually work going on? what mick mulvaney told chuck that he is working so hard, where is this evidence? we know from other reporting that he is very reluctant to take his intelligence briefings. several intelligence folks who brief him when he has his briefings, and he doesn't have that many of them, they have raised alarm. they spoke to "time." he doesn't focus. they have to put their points on flash cards. we've heard so many different pieces of the same story that the simple existence of a schedule showing executive time confirms what we've seen elsewhere, that everybody who is sort of around him will tell you privately he doesn't have a lot of work on his schedule. >> and what he has accomplished have been things that haven't needed any real legislative negotiating skills. they've been executive orders or rollbacks of regulations. it's not stuff that he needs to pick up the phone to a leader on

capitol hill and say, hey, i want to pass this bill. let's work on infrastructure. let's work on actually repealing and coming up with a replacement for health care, et cetera. >> well, he's had some success negotiating within in his own parties. none with the opposition party, but he's got some time to do that. this is pretty early in the process. i think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle that he is not sitting in front of the television with crumbs all over his shirt, or he is the most productive president that ever occupied the oval office. it's probably somewhere in the middle. the trouble here is we know so much what happens inside the oval office. bethany rattled off the litanies of details, the schedule is leaked from close to the president. nobody who inspires confidence in their subordinates leaks like the people around this president do. he is surrounded by people that he cannot trust. there is more on this on the leak witness this white house is ultimately doomed to fail if the president expect inspire confidence in his subordinates. >> potentially the president himself calling up reporters

there have been reports that he's done that. you have books that come out that say people like kellyanne conway, while in one breath are denouncing leakers are actually texting with reporters, leaking information at the same time. >> also, this whole story of how the president of the united states spends his time is really -- the reason why there is so much attention to it is because right now americans are working harder than ever. we've got teachers who are, you know, spending all of their extra money on school supplies and driving ubers and lyfts. we've got the american people working harder, taking less vacation, having less support, like paid family leave and child care than any other citizens of any other industrialized nation, and here is the president of the united states. we expect him to do more, work harder, do better on behalf of the american people. >> so i guess what happens now? >> well, we've also seen a gradual changing of this white house into something that much more resembled his trump organization structure. and having covered him a little

bit back in those days, it was very much a family affair, you know. everybody was in the trump tower, and it was president trump and his kids and his secretary, and he was on almost a retirement schedule later in his real estate career. >> call people up and talk about himself. >> he spoke to reporters, loved that. he did to "the apprentice" which catapulted him to where he snow. in terms of his day to day work life, he did not have a lot of meetings on the schedule. he did not have a lot of formal office type things. so over time, our reporting has showed that president trump's more sort of running the white house more like he ran his real estate empire for many, many years. >> you want to wrap this up and tell us what this does for the presidency in the future? >> oh, i have no idea what this does for the presidency in the future. it's certainly a significant departure from the presidency in the past that i have at least some expectation that we're going to snap back into something that more resembles a presidency moving forward. no president is ever forgotten

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welcome back. in case you missed it, these days it's all about journeys. no, not journey. no, i promise i won't stop

believing. i mean the journeys of each presidential candidate as told in their campaign autobiographies. if you go strictly by book title, they are each unique in their complete and utter sameness. here's julian castro's, "an unlikely journey, waking up from my american dream." and howard shoults. how about kamala harris'. "the truths we told: an american journey ♪. and "shortest way home" which is another way of saying journey." do you sense a trend here? each candidate is trying to make his or her pitch to voters with a title that saysing in unique at all. my american way, a unique urine. promise, a journey to the unique the american way. my journey, the unique way to dream of the american promise.

way:. a unique american dream journey promise. you and i both know that any of those titles could pass for a political memoir, and that is the problem, people. we deserve more than platitudes and buzzwordy market tested jacketty yak. shouldn't we expect more of our politicians? shouldn't we expect more of ourselves? if you agree, you can read all about it in my new book, the america: my unique journey promised dream. sure to be a best-seller. that it is for tonight. "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. ari, you're going buy the book, aren't you? >> journey makes me think of "don't stop believing." also a reasonable song. have a great monday night. >> bye, ari. new reports that trump ally david picker was so concerned that the "national enquirer" might be lobbying on behalf of the saudis that his company asked the doj if