captures mueller or 2019's news in general. that does it for us. and coming up next it's "hardball" with chris matthews. trump's wall falls. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. they've agreed to avoid another shutdown. they demolished funding for president trump's border wall. the bipartisan committee reached an agreement in principal just as trump was about to take the stage in texas to make a pitch for his signature campaign 3r5u78s. it was clear today the president lost. >> am i happy at first glance? the answer is no, i'm not. i'm not happy. i don't think you're going to see a shutdown.

i wouldn't want to go through it, no. if you did have it, it's the democrat's fault. but this would be totally on the democrats. >> well, the tentative agreement includes just 1.4 billion for a border barrier. about 155 miles of new fencing. a fraction of the 5.7 billion the president was demanding to build about 200 miles of barriers. it's also less than $1.6 billion in a senate compromise before the government shutdown. friday's the deadline for the house and the president. when asked about it, president trump signalled he might not support it. >> are you going to sign congress's border deal? >> i'm not happy about it. it's not doing the trick but i'm adding things to it. >> but in a series of tweets he was looking over all aspects of the plan and regardless of waum

money, it's being built as we speak. he's taken a beating from his allies. sean hannity broke away from the president's speech to slam this proposal. >> by the way on this new so-called compromise. 1.3 billion? not even a wall. a barrier? i'm going to do this tonight. any republican that supports this garbage compromise, you will have to explain. >> another fox host, lauraingroom also panned the deal and ann coulter said trump talk as good game on the border wall but increasingly clear he's afraid to fight for it. call this his yellow new deal. and said even if he water to sign off, other options are on the table to build a more substantial barrier but not through a government shutdown.

both parties said it's time to end this stealmate. >> i had recommended that it if it becomes what we think it is, i do recommend he sign it. >> the president should not make the same mistake he made when there was a bipartisan agreement and hes withant sign it and caused the shut dnch. please, mr. president trump, no one got everything they wanted in this bill, but sign it and don't cause a shutdown. >> i'm joined by a democrat from california, robert kosta, national political reporter from the "washington post." and correspondent for the pbs news hour and politic news editor at "the root.com." could more defeats to come? >> depends on the audience. senator shelby said this is the best you're going to get. people on the right don't like it, members of the freedom

caucus. they're not going to support it but the president has something in his back pocket, taking executive action, using an executive order to take federal funds from elsewhere and put them on the border. to him he's going to make the case of another brink. >> and he decided not to go with emergency declaration so he's going to the more subtle way? >> doesn't have leverage anymore. and the senate republicans will fight him on a national -- executive power. >> the speaker of the house said it's an immortality to build a wall. the word "wall" became unacceptable. it seems like that's when the

victory began on your side. >> i think the speaker did a great job and she showed her wlp stills. >> how is it more immoral than a fns. and personally it's going to be ea relief to move beyond this. it's something i think is -- it makes sense in certain parts. it's an extension of what we already had. we have to recognize that we still only have the house of representatives. we don't have the senate, we don't have the presidency. and to me we are definitely coming out on top in this arrangement. 1.5 rather than 1.6 in the deal he shut down the government for.

we got fewer beds overall. and i think this allowed us to set the stage for what comes next. >> i think democrats, the party left which was basically looking for a cap on the beds because they want less people picked up by i.c.e., in fact some want to get rid of i.c.e. trump went along with less money than he started with. so he lost, the left lost a little. the right in the form of the president lost a bit. what have we accomplished for the american people? nothing? >> this idea that president trump can shut done the government and get his way is now i think something the president understands isn't going to happen and the democrats realize they can't say the president can't get anything he wants because they also had to make a deal here. it's clear democrats said they weren't going to give not $1 for

the wall and what we have is democrats saying yeah, we're going to give money efor new fencing. the president's going to be able to call that a wall and democrats are having a conversation about whether there's a difference between kaunl crete. it's not a wall because that's not concrete. and then when it comes to the e de? tension beds, you have an idea the president can get to the 52,000 beds he initially want fd he wants to do that. i've been hearing from conservative and liberal activists. both are angry and that tells me it's a solid bill because everyone seems to have not gotten what they wanted. >> he sui'm happy with where we going. i'm thrilled. because we're supplementing things and moving things around and doing things that there

fantastic and taking from far less, really from far less important areas and the bottom line is we're building a lot of wall right now. >> we're building a lot of wall. senator lindsey graham of south carolina argued he could take money from other areas or take more drastic action. here's lindsey. >> as to the money for the barrier f he ecan use it for steel barriers, like he's been talking about, i would say overall that's a pretty good deal and make up the difference through executive as. absolutely. because it's well short of what he needs. >> jason, this guy, lindsey graham, has certainly signed up for the cattle drive. i haven't seen anybody more loyal since taunto or i don't know who.

but what are we getting to? every time we have a government shutdown, they get more beds and 50 more feet of fencing. is this a pathetic country somewhere would be doing thing slieb this. i could give it a pallianau thing and i could do that and say oh, great, our government's back to compromise. this thing's really working because nobody's happy. that includes the american people. not just two sides in a fight in d.c. -- >> yeah. you know, this is sort of government by abuse, right? you make millions of people suffer and then you say look what we accomplish after torturing you unnecessarily. the idea of a shutdown has never been a good idea but it's essentially broken. no one will ever be able to shut down the government again. the republicans have no strength

for it. the democrats will never stand for it again and the end result is not the things that would have made it valuable for ethrb side. but i also think the bigger issue is this and this is something i think a lot of democrats have learned. is trump did the worst thing possible. he didn't just lose the battle. he empowered his enemies. he has made nancy pelosi more strong, respectd and more capable than she was before the shutdown. and that's not something he's going to be able to stop. >> she showed up at some big event the other night, a concert or something. the kind of thing you show up at when you're winning and she's been seen at a lot of night spots in san francisco lately. you always show your face a lot when you're winning. momentum. >> that's exactly it.

and it sets us up in a good position for what we want to do nex ppt i think it really proved to everyone that a shutdown isn't the way that you do this and this isn't a negotiating tactic that's going to work. i think it's left the republicans bruised moving to the next phase. whatever he tries to pull after this in terms of executive a, it's clearly going to be a half measure, probably going to get stopped in court and not going to be satisfactory to his base no matter what. >> i like nancy pelosi. she's a leader. it's really about personal authority, prestige. you can't fire a member of congress. roosevelt couldn't even do that. when she did that little thing in the state of aunion. and it seems she was able to at least keep the people more aggressive in terms of ocasio-cortez and the others.

and she also has to get the government running again. how does she do it? >> she never seizes to amaze me in how she controls the caucus. the peepm she put on the negotiating group clearly was very strategic and members of the congressional hispanic caucus. that represents the whole spectrum of people in the democratic caucus and it's pretty brilliant. we'll probably lose a few within the democratic caucus but i think we're going to get some republicans and ultimately that will get you votes and that's what nancy is a pro at. >> and freedom caucus chair, the other end of the line criticized democrats saying is this the best they can do? it's clear potus should take executive action. but several republican senators warning against a second shutdown. >> there is no way that the

country should be put through another disastrous government shutdown. my hope is that the president will sign the bill into law. >> i hope we have this behind us. we don't shut down for anything. this has reaffirmed my leaf that shutdowns are bad period. >> more on how the president is going to deal with the media on the right. sean hannity is a host of a tv show. ann coulter's amazing. she survived for years that guys buy or something. she's a good writer and of course laura ingram used to be good on television, now she's good on radio. and they kater to a minority of people and they're good at building an audience. but that's not 50% of the country. does the president know that? it's not a leadership position

be to in to follow their lead. >> you think about the freedom caucus chairman, those voices on the right, they could be in the republican presidency. and they know the president is lierkly going to sign the deal but there's a chance they worry he could sign a cra continuing resolution that doesn't appropriate anything that just keeps the government open. and that could happen if the right puts that kind of pressure on 4i78. at this point i think the white house wants to move away and have a deal but there's always that chance he says no deal, just keep the government open. i want to continue to negotiate. >> what's his exit strategy if he did the cr route? still the hard right and the media. he wouldn't be more comfortable then, would he? >> the argument from the right wing today has been if you do a c.r., keep the government open

and don't do the appropriations, you just put pressure on democrats, in their view, for having more time on the clock. but senate republicans and democrats, the lieders in both parties today said sign the deal, mr. president. >> your thoughts. >> the president is trapped. if he goes for an executive order, it's going to get knocked down by the courts. we can see that with roberts. this is a huge "l" and a loss for donald trump. and he's got to figure out some other foort have an adomestic agenda or he's going to get picked apart bay the democrats. >> i know he supported -- opposed that measure in louisiana that would have basically banned abortion in the state. i'm not sure he may owe the president one right now. congressman of california.

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the fact is that real collusion was between hillary and the democrats and the other side with russia. that's where the collusion. that's starting to make a lot more sense. but that's where the collusion is. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was president trump of course and his supporters degreszing into a familiar attack on his one-time political rival, hillary clinton. under the circumstances, the president is the last person calling for someone to be locked up. to date 34 people have been charg charged with crimes in the mueller probe.

his national security advisor, his longest serving political advisor, his personal fixer. at least two if not all will serve time behind bars. and the -- let's start with the politics. why do you think trump keeps going back to the old thing he does of trashing hillary? >> i think he's turning fake news on himself. he is the individual prehis inauguration that refused to accept 17 intelligence agencies who came together and said russia interfered. they didn't talk about hillary clinton. for two years we have sat dumb founded by the republican congress that refused to investigate extensively that interference and only through the firing of james comey, the appointment of mr. mueller who i know very well, that a special

counsel was selected to investigate the obstruction of justice, which they then had the authority to do. many other lines of investigations which is what special counsels do. and so there's a pile on with five people indicted, convicted. 26 russians, three russian companies and all the president can say is to push back and bring back hillary because he has no dfdefense for all of hise allies now heading to jail. >> what do you make of this senate intelligence committee not being able to get closure? the chairman from north carolina. he seem oz cay. but he's coming out with what you see is what you get. you got to see into it. but i'm not saying it's there but it might be there.

>> closure is desperately what this country needs and the senate is speaking that same time we're not finished. one is there is evidence. you have to look and at the end of the day they're not finished. we need them to get to an answer and need find what the spelgcia counsel has these past two years. abuses of power, could well produ produce threads. how do you see what your committee's doing now and how that might lead to an impeachment this summer? >> crhris we're not rushing awa from impeachment and not running towards it.

a well renowned trial lawyer. well known for white collar crimes. there's nothing there, there's nothing there there. year going to follow the themes that have been laid out in the public arena and the materials we have and will be securing, dealing with bad acts. and we will do our job and we, as the judiciary committee under article one, of course, have the oversight responsibilities of department of justice and the breaking of the law is the president of the united states. we do have authority under the impeachment provisions. we have the grand jury. the senate of course is the trial. d

but we have two outstanding professionals that are going to provide that basis for the investigation. more credible than president trump. no surprise but fact. a new "washington post" poll shows 26% of americans say they're more likely to believe mueller's version of the facts. let's talk about the 33%. because we all know who they are. the hard-core trumpees. and the judiciary does a great job, they bring an indictment, based on all the evidence, some circumstantial. but it ain't all coincidence. russians wanted this, trump were willing to give it back. it's clear but 1/3 of the country says i don't see that. is it better to go through the impeachment process or wait until the election next year? >> follow evidence. if there's credible evidence, evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, the houses and senate are obligated.

it's their oversight role. so the evidence there -- >> that's what barbara jordan said in the speech. >> my mentor, yes. >> basically the job of the house to find evidence if it looks like case, bring it. it's up to the senate to be the judge. >> absolutely. not only that impeachment is the political process. there will be democrats and republicans sitting on the panel. we obviously want some republicans, one republican to see the merits in the house. because obviously during the impeachment of richard nixon. democrats and republicans voted on in essence the indictment. >> we watched it on television before you were born. >> it's our task to lay the groundwork and as you said if the evidence is there, we need to follow othe evidence and need to investigate.

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welcome back to "hardball." retired astronaut mark kelly announced this morning he's runneri running for the late john mccain's seat in 2020. and next to him was gabrielle gifford. >> you nearly lost your life serving your country. >> yes. >> but what do you do when bad things happen? >> move ahead. >> i learned a lot from being an astronaut, from being a pilot in the navy. i learned a lot about solving problems from being an engineer. but what i usesed from my wife is how you use policy to help improve people's lives. so please join us. ban the torpedos, >> full speed ahead.

>> in 2011 she was severely wounded when she was shot in the head by a mentally ill man. she was ebeing a congresswoman and the constituents for being the congresswoman. and since then mark and gabby have advocated for stronger gun safety legislations and prohibiting those from the no fly list from buying a gun. probably go head-to-head with martha mcsally who was appointed aft losing her senate race. isn't that amazing? someone sitting there that lost. i'm joined by robin kelly, cochair of the gun safety, actually gun violence prevention task force. and the arizona republic.

i want to talk -- we'll get to the big picture. tell me about arizona. is a purple state. >> similarer with the first she ran as a nonpartisan democrat. she ran as a centerist moderate. whereas mcsally kind of ran as a trump republican. so he was able to beat mcsally. couldn't really crack 50per. i don't know if there's any realignment there but certainly in the trump era there are a lot of dynamics shifting around and things are changing in arizona. >> and it sent a message to me.

what did it say to you? >> i think he understands arizona as an independent streak and that's been reflected in its senators including john mccain, barrier goldwater. kooersern cinema did too. she kindf oshowed democrats how to win state wide in arizona. i think the democrats are feeling really good and i think they're going to try to repeat that in 2020. >> thank you for joining us. you're leading a big fright gun safety. every day they're happening, we say thaults and prayers and all that is fine but no action. >> you're definitely right and that's why i don't participate in the thoughts and prayers. i haven't stood up and did the moment of silence. but hopefully rh 8 will be the beginning of something.

>> do they get when people get guns and people mentally unstable get guns, people are going to get killed? >> i think some people get it and some of the people that won, they weren't afraid to talk about the need for gun violence prevention and laws around that. >> what do you think is the chances of getting something done on background checks to start with? >> i think it's going to pass the house. it's been bipartisan for a long 250i78. we couldn't get speaker boehner and rin to call the bill. i'm hopeing all the advocacy and energy, they'll take over to the senate and put the pressure on frankly the republican senators. >> there won't be a cork in the bottle anymore. one year it's been. a new poll shows more and more americans want tougher goun law.

more than half believe law maker should make it tougher for people to own guns and 58% say they're not confident law makers will actually do something to improve the laws. seems like pessimism is raining here. >> it does but since they've seen such a partisan divide. you can always tell people we get along better than they think. but i think we can get something done. i have legislation that asks the surgeon general to put out a report about gun violence report. and i think that has a chance of passing. >> how about in gold water country? is there a a something more moderate from that they can win? like i mentioned earlier, things are changing.

the way he's going to finesse the gun control message is we're not going to grab your guns, year not trying to undermine the second amendment. just keep guns out of the wrong people. his family enos guns. so he's presenting himself as a commonsense gun owner who just wants to pick some corks in the law. >> he's not a gun hater. he just wants gun safety. thanks for comish out today. great newspaper, by the way. they used to run my syndicated column years ago. a remarkable scene in el paso as baito o'rourke fact checked in real time from across the street. this is mono imano o. don't you think? texas style. don't you think? texas style.

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welcome back to "hardball." the image created by dueling allies in el paso is american politics in the 20th century. a more hopeful vision by beto o'rourke and a darker visions delivered by president trump. >> we know that there is no bargain in which we can sacrifice some of our humanity to gain a little more security. we know that we deserve and will lose both of them if we do. we stand for the best traditions and values of this country friendship -- for our fellow humanity and who we are when we're at our best and it's el paso, texas. >> it's a bad sifrpuation going on and we have stopped it. we're taking out thousands and thousands of people from ms 13.

we're bringing them the hell out of our country. thousands. but if we ehad proper border security including a powerful wall, we wouldn't have to work so hard. >> hyperaware of the optics, president trump wasted little time taking on o'rourke. >> the young man who's got very little going for himself except he's got a great first name, he is -- he challenged us. so we have let's say 35,000 people tonight and he has 200 people. 300 people. not too good. [ applause ] in fact what i do -- what i would do is say that maybe the end of his presidential bid. >> with more democrats declaring their intent to run, the president and his campaign staff have taken notice.

just last week trump told the "new york times" that of the declared candidates, kamala harris had the best quote opening act because she had better crowd, enthusiasm. beto's seemed to touch a nerve with the president and -- it looks like beto has only 900 guests at his so-called march. tiny. we have 35,000 inside and 10 ozf thousands in the parking lot and streets. stay tuned to hear how far away from reality. how far away from reality

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but that's not stopping anyone o, that's good! welcome back to "hardball." during president trump's hour-long speech in el paso, he went after beto o'rourke saying he could only get 15 people. the number gets smaller and smaller. >> very few people showed up to his rally and this place is packed with thousands and thousands outside. and i guess he challenged us to an event. so i guess that means he's going to have to drop out because this was not a good situation for him. i don't know why he did it. >> about 7 to 8,000 people attended o'rourke's rally while 6500 were allowed in for trump's rally.

several thousands more assembled outside. for more i'm joined by democratic polster. look, the numbers are pretty competitive. what's this about? does he take on people he wants to run again or people he's afraid of? i can't tell if he's picking opponents? >> he's certainly elevating beto, which is good for him. >> not good for john delaney. >> or kamala or cory or other people. but i think he thinks warren and beto are the most beatable. >> really? >> i think so. >> who's he afraid of? >> kamala and klobuchar. depends what lane. >> i think if he look at his reelection from wisconsin and pennsylvania and ohio. i think the battle for the presidency, a lot of that is

going to be played out in the democratic primary because this is a historically unpopular president. so many people jumping in to this because the president doesn't break 43% approval. >> look, i'm thinking everybody must say to themselves whether you're bernie and you've done it before or you're the youngest guy throughout, anybody can beat trump. anybody can lose to trump. i don't know. >> what i do know is his approval numbers are pretty solidly in the low 40s. this is the other problem. 10 million more voters voted than ever before. the suburbs around philadelphia that were once red, aren't red anymore. mitt romney did a better job broading the republican party. >> this is the description, what happened to frank rizzo.

he got to the point where he needed 87% of the white vote. nobody's getting 87%. if your core doesn't change, then you need to get a bigger percentage. it's not big enough. >> you mnentioned pennsylvania n 2018. i will say president trump is good when he has an enemy. when he has an opponent. maybe we see those numbers rise a little bit. >> i think he wants elizabeth right now. his word -- poke haunts. pocahontas. he's in love with it. >> be careful what you wish for. for him. i think e-elizabeth warren, she's going to raise money, take the fight to him. clearly she's going to take the fight to him like no other. >> well, in texas president trump debuted a few new slogans. one had a familiar ring to it. let's take a look.

>> i want us to do this together. i really do believe my slogan. stronger together. >> we're only getting stronger together. >> we truly are stronger together. >> stronger together. >> stronger together. >> hillary clinton didn't miss a chance. she claimed they should copy her health care, tax and voting rights. that's pretty cool. didn't he know that was her slogan? >> it's not a particularly good one either. >> it didn't work. >> make america great again certainly seemed to stick. he needs portray them as out of touch or angry if you will. that seems to be his overall goal. >> what's a tougher threat to trump? he cams in with their face looking angry or miss happy upbeat.

does the pall pks -- would that work today or you have to show a little anger? because i think a lot of photos really don't like trump. >> they want anger and whether you have anger, whether you're not, got to be authentic. one thing about trump, he's authentic. bet eror worse. >> i agree. history doesn't show angry candidates win primaries. and not a lot of history that says angry candidates win presidencies. i can gree with regan -- obama had that same thing. that's where the majority is. you can dock about 42/43%. but you better not be the angry

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i wonder if president trump has just stepped in something. i'm talking about his observation about why he's the rare american president who does r ant have a dog. >> i wouldn't mind having one, honestly but i don't have any time. how would i look walking a dog on the white house lawn? right. sort of not -- i don't feel good. feel as little phoney to me. >> a little phoney having a dog. the "washington post" reporter said it was the great barbara streisand who noticed the great oddity about this president. the first president in 120 years that doesn't have a dog in the white house. i thought back among the presidents. i knew about franklin roosevelt and fala.

he defended fal against a political attack that blew his rival out of the water. >> i'm accustomed to hearing malicious false hoods about myself but i think i have a right to resent, to object to libelous statements about my dog. >> here in washington around the jefferson memorial, there's a bronze statue of the world war ii president with the famous dog who may have won him his fourth term. and the pooch nixon put to defend his honor in the tv address known as the checkers speech. it turns out fdr and fala and checkers and nixon weren't the only. every president starting in 1897 has had a friend of the canine type in the white house.

if president trump ever takes thatted a viesz, he won't know if the barking coming from the white house is coming from him. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. ♪ tonight on "all in." >> i will build a great, great wall on our southern border and i will have mexico pay for that wall. >> after a campaign of promises. >> who's going to pay for the wall? >> the negotiations are over. >> i think i'm a great negotiator. >> and the deal's all done. tonight after all that deal making. >> any republican that supports this garbage compromise -- >> is president trump finally out of options? >> 1.3 billion? not even a wall, a barrier. >> barriers, not walls. what is going on here then a national paid leave