his colleagues of propublic have taken a deep look into how republicans, conservatives and anti tax active vesists and republicans undermined the ability for the irs to do the thing it actually has to do, which is to collect taxes for the american people so as to fund the u.s. government. that's all on the scandalous story. download it wherever you get your broadcast. that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" is next. >> thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. by the rockets' red gar flare f the 4th of july, we set off fireworks to celebrate the fourth of july. these are fireworks that were set off for the fourth of july celebration in our nation's capital. this past fourth of july. d.c. every year puts on a great, huge fireworks display and looks

like nowhere else in the country. there is the washington monument on the national mall. as the nation's capital fourth of july is a met to holiday, right? it's a bigger deal there than everywhere else in the country and it's a pretty big deal everywhere in the country but it's the nation's capital. every fourth of july there is a fireworks thing in d.c. and parade from downtown with, you know, bands and uncle sam guy and the drum and all the rest of it. today president trump told reporters at the white house he is considering a new idea that has just occurred to him, a new idea for america which is that he is thinking over, he is considering that maybe from here on out there should be a parade and fireworks in washington d.c. every year on july 4th. how about that? he mused about this idea to reporters today. he said quote, we're thinking about doing something that will

perhaps become a tradition. proposing fireworks for the fourth of july, even in d.c. it's a bold idea for the president today presumably this will be followed by an executive order proclaiming from here on out we'll start a new calendar year on the first day of january. what? he'll declare we'll start a new american past time or one person holds a stick and that person runs around a series of bases. it's the ball well enough and hard enough to run the bases and get home. the president will soon come up with a name for that and announce he's invented this game. also he's invented rap music and the idea of taking a vacation in the summer if you're a school kid. i mean, i kid you not, the president today proposed to reporters in all seriousness from the white house that he's thinking there should maybe be fireworks and a parade on the

fourth of july in washington d.c. it could catch on, could become a tradition. the best news about this is that it's not actually a terrible idea to have a parade and fireworks in washington d.c. on the fourth of july as evidenced by the fact we do always do it every year and nobody minds. people sort of like it. but what is going on in the head of the president of the united states that he thinks this annual celebration should henceforth be attributed to him as if he dreamed it up. i mean, i try not to get caught up in this stuff and generally and stuff he says, but like the weird vagaries of the presidency are honestly really weird. one of the stories we're covering tonight that we'll have an update for you on later on this hour is the question of whether or not we're about to have another shutdown of the federal government as of the end of this week because of the

president's demand that we should build a wall between us and mexico. in the lead up to that shutdown deadline at the end of the week, the president last night just started declaring oh vevertly declared he built this wall between the united states and mexico. he's already built it and he's just finishing it up now. he got what he wanted. he won. eventually he will give tours on the boarder showing reporters and supporters what looks like a normal section of the border wall and insist it's actually there because he built it and the reason you think you cannot see it, he meant that on purpose. he not only built the wall but he built an invisible wall and he said it would also be invisible. don't you remember that? i mean, it is -- it's easy enough. i do it most of the time to just ilg nor what he's saying part

particularly when it's not true but it is bewildering, right? this isn't a dumb movie. this isn't, you know, an old tv show. this is actually our president now in our lifetime. this is actually our government, our country and this stuff, it does put us in a weird position as citizens. also for the president's political competitors and his opponents, it puts them in an odd situation, too. just around this latest shutdown threat, do you point out that he actually has not built any wall at all since he has been president? do you let him claim he has even though he hasn't because maybe that is just easier. if he says it enough that he has built a wall, maybe he'll believe that he has built a wall or believe it enough that that will become enough to stop the next shutdown of the federal government, that that will allow the government to stay open based on a weird lie that we've decided to not bother correcting

because maybe it's easier. if we choose to apply that strategy even to him saying he's already built the wall this week, i mean, do we apply that strategy to everything? do we smile and nod and let him believe what he wants to believe and say what he wants people to believe is true? yes, sir, you won the popular vote by a record. your poll numbers are sky high in north korea and gave up nuclear weapons and campaign finance felonies, they aren't really crimes and michael cohen probably doesn't know anything about what you did or paul manafort or david pecker, your friend at the national enquirer or anybody else granted immunity in which change for their testimony that definitely absolutely has nothing to do with you. everything is fine. do you just say it? i mean, the president flatly proclaims alternate universe stuff all the time and because of that, you do have the option

to ignore it but that doesn't change the fact that he's president and when he says stuff that isn't true repeatedly and you have to reckon with that strategically whether or not it should be corrected, it can be hard to get your bearings as to what we must insist to be true and what you might let go because everybody knows it's fake but the president is saying it anyway and who will stop him? i mean, here is another one about the trump inaugural committee. the trump inaugural committee, they seekewere seeking details spending of the inaugural. it has been this puzzling thing about the trump presidency from the very, very beginning. president trump of course followed into office and immediately previous president who had the largest swearing in festivities ever in u.s. history by a mile. president obama brought an absolutely unprecedented sea of

people to the nation's capitol. it was the largest assembling of human beings in the district of colombia. to handle those festivities, that giant inaugural event, the obama inaugural committee raised and spent a huge new record amount of money just over $50 million as inaugurations go, that was mammoth and unprecedented but you see why they needed to raise and spend that much money. it was something like we never seen before and the next president was elected, our current president and his wearing in was smaller and it was small actually not just compared with his immediate predecessor. trump's inauguration was small compared to most other recent president's inaugurations as well. i'm not saying that to be mean or insulting. i fully believe if i were sworn into anything,less than half of my family would show up let

alone the parade. i don't mean to say this says something bad about him as a president or as a candidate soon to be president or president elect soon to be president. i don't mean that in a mean way. what i mean is that matthmath, numbers whether you have feelings about them, they didn't make sense. for the giant inauguration, for obama, the biggest ever, they raised and spent about $50 million. for the comparatively tiny one that happened after that, they spent twice that amount. they spent more than twice that amount. i mean, given what actually happened at the trump inaugural, how on earth did they account for raising and spending over $100 million on this? i mean, if you take president obama out of it because that was historical for comparison sake, you can take the george w. bush

inaugura inaugurals. the person that ran george w. bush's second inaugural, he said quote they had a third of the staff we did and a quarter of the events we did. and they spent at least twice as much as we did? so the question is the obvious question is where did it go? obvious question, good question and now the trump inaugural committee has been broadly subpoenaed by federal prosecutors who presumably will get answers to the questions and if you regularly watch this show, you'll remember we have reported on this trump inaugural story for a long while and just because from the very beginning, it seemed like something was mathematically wrong and fishy with the trump inauguration. one of the things we notice in early reporting is that some of the inexplicable and ultimately unaccounted for money that flowed into the trump inauguration came in late.

came in after the fact. and that's not necessarily a sin let alone a crime. but it is a little funny because by the time the trump inauguration was an hour into it, let alone over, anybody who donated money to that thing clearly would have realized they had just paid $50 for a $2 jaw breaker. it was clear as soon as the tractors rolled down the parade route and d.j. drums kicked off the concert of random they brought to the national mall, it was clear they over raised. right? they raised way, way, way more money than this thing could have conceivably cost to put on. by that point, the trump inaugural was promising they should be giving the leftover money. still, despite that, some really big fat donations to the trump

inaugural came in way after the inaugural was over, weeks and months later like for example this donation of hundreds of thousands of dollars from the c.e.o. of the largest cole company in america. robert murray who runs murray energy directed this donation in mid march after the inaugural and gave a million dollars to the super pac and public scandal with murray and his company and what he received since making those big donations. "the washington post" said within weeks of the inauguration but interestingly, even before he cut that $300,000 check to the inauguration, bob murray had drawn up a detailed action plan for what he wanted the trump administration to do, everything from slashing the number of people at epa to scrapping anti pollution rules. by the one-year anniversary,

"the new york times" was reporting the white house and federal agencies have completed or are on track to fulfill most of the detailed requests in mr. murray's action plan, this wish list of like 14 or 16 different detailed requests that he was demanding the trump administration perform. they just did them all. and if that story, that little scandal about murray rings a bell or doesn't come as a surprise, it's because we expect that to be the way of the world a little bit. we certainly expect that to be the way of this presidency. but in a democracy and republic where elected leaders are accountable to the people that give them their jobs and a real functioning democracy of course, investigative reporting is a sack constitutionally free press doesn't mean you're free to say what's on your mind but protects the freedom of us and citizens

to figure stuff out and dig stuff up if it's unflattering or skanld la scandalous about the people in charge. credit where credit is due to the enterprising reporters who have just dug up this new jaw-dropping scandal about this white house and government being put up for sale. this is the tennessee valley authority that dates to the 1930s. a federal agency that operates as a gigantic mega utility in tennessee in parts of alabama, mississippi, georgia, kentucky, north carolina, virginia. well, now, enterprising reporting turned up the fact that the president personally has secretly weighed in with that agency, with the tennessee valley authority that federal agency to tell them that despite the agency's existing plans and own internal assessment of what is right for that agency and states that agency secorves, despite that the president has told them to not do and

intervened personally and directed them, told that agency that they got to use a coal plant, a coal fired power plant that they were otherwise going to phaseout but he said keep using it despite what happened at your agency that made you decide to stop using it, keep using it now because that plant buys its coal from bob murray. from murray energy. from the president's gigantic donor, the super pac and late donation to the inaugural. this is like the idea of corruption, murray pays trump under scrutiny by federal prosecutors. murray pays trump and trump uses the presidency to direct a public agency to pay murray. to property up murray's business. use federal resource, use the

taxpayers' resources. use the country's assets to reward the guy that gave him money. and if what i just described is the way that we had learned about that scandal, if it in fact had been some enterprising digging investigative reporter who turned that up as a secret deal, that would be a prize-winning scoop for that investigating reporter that uncovered that scandal but in our morally bewildering current environment, in fact, the way we learned about that scandal is just from the president's public statements on twitter. it was the president himself who just broke the news of this scandal because he's just doing it all out loud on his twitter feed. this is his tweet last night directing the tva to use this one particular power plant, paradise number three that gets his coal from his campaign donor. there is the tweet from last

night. there is the headline response that this is happening in the open. and yes, this is the story of another destructive presidential corruption flowing through u.s. policy out of this white house but it is also another element in this age of sort of moral bewilderment we're in as citizens. right? because you can't run that story about what trump just did with the tva and donor and demanding that they use his donor's coal plant. you can't run that as an expo. if the president is happy to commit things like this in the public, there is no way to embarrass somebody. if they are happy to be seen selling the government for cash and if you can't embarrass or shame anybody about it and increasingly can't shock anybody about it, then what do you do with it? how do you stop specific

government actions like this, if there is no shame from public officials doing it but also, how do we once again become a country where that kind of thing would at least be a scandal? i mean, if this doesn't get fixed by the next trump inaugural, they will distribute a menu and have a u.s. taxpayer draw up a menu what you need to pay for the presidential tweet or policy you expect in return and they send somebody out like with the beer trey from the ballpark to collect your funds. if it doesn't matter anymore, if we're not surprised and nobody is embarrassed, how do we not just become that? and this is a day in the life of what's going on in this presidency, right? this is a day in the life of this country in which we are citizens at a time when a bunch of new leaders are competing to

become the democratic party's nominee to run against this president to make him a one-term president and replace him in the white house and none of the candidates who are declared thus far are exactly alike. if you want my take, they all have a lot to offer and democrats have to be pleased with the depth and capability and charisma and ideas of the various contenders in this field that is starting to take shape if the sheer number is starting to get daunting. out of everybody who has said formally that they are running, in this age of bewilderment and moral despair, i think it is fair to point out that non-of these able contenders approach politics and the issue of morality and despair in politics quite like and quite as directly as the presidential can tender that will be our guest tonight. senator cory booker of new jersey. senator booker started life,

started off life in public as a contender to become major booker of the great city of newark. >> i have a philosophy campaigning, i walk every street i want to represent. all i've been doing is walking the streets and talking to people like you. i can't see you without talking to a screen but i want to tell you three reasons i'm running for mayor. >> we have real challenges. we have a third of the people living below poverty and graduate 40% of our kids from high school. there is no excuse for this. the city could be doing so much better for the people that work here. >> i'm trying to get people to vote for me. are you going to vote for me? >> i'm going to vote for you. >> you going to vote for me? >> what does vote mean? >> participate income democracy to make your community better. >> that's a clip from "street fighter." good documentary for cory

booker's run for mayor to help a corrupt, entrenched, shameless forever mayor of that city. someone who felt he would be there until he was dead, a mayor named sharp games and booker lost to james and the james machine in newark. but he came back and he won. and he became mayor and sharp james served a long term in federal prison. cory booker as mayor faced the challenges of a big city mayor in a working class city and then some. but in a way we have never seen before from any mayor of any size, cory booker made national news over and over again. not necessarily for the stuff he was announcing he was doing for mayor, the things he was trying to shape candidacy around and being a guy that seemed committed to fixing stuff on a

day to day basis, especially if there is a snowstorm or something else that puts citizens for something they aren't used to. the case of the shivering dog, the dog left outside in new york at night in cold weather. don't just tweet about how sad that makes you to see that. if you did, give up address because the mayor will get that dog personally and he did. you, complaining about how much snow got dumped by your family's house and your family can't dig out. too much to deal with. personally, he will help you and he can't complain about something you won't do. this is daily news coverage. quote, booker responded to a call for assistance. bonds tweeted an expletive post about the amount of snow he needed to shovel. the agitated citizen said mayor booker would show up like he

said he would. booker not only showed up to help the family shovel out personally, he responded online to the guy who had been complaining and swearing to him about the snow. quote, wow, the mayor said, wow, you should be ashamed of yourself. you tweet volume garric vug l v and your mom and sister are digging out. where are you? the mayor responded word, he's really here. #cantfront. then they apparently met because the mayor tweeted next, thank you for coming to talk with me face-to-face. you're a good brother. we need to be positive in the face of outrage uous negativity. he said you're correct, i got to channel my emotions. that happened as newark was dealing with snow and ice. i think along the same lines when it comes to a burning building, this was mayor cory booker in april of 2012. >> mayor cory booker rushed to rescue a next-door neighbor on hawthorne avenue whose apartment

building was on fire. three residents made it out of this building but flames and smoke trapped one woman on the second floor. >> two detectives went with the mayor to slow them down a bit and went through a kitchen fire. the kitchen was fully involved and the fire was spreading with a lot of smoke. the mayor then started calling out for the individual. >> mayor booker and detectives part of a security detail heard a woman screaming for help in a back bedroom. >> the mayor immediately initially being held back by detectives responded look, we got to save her. she may die. she may die. went and grabbed the woman out of bed and carried her through the fire with the assistance of the detectives down stairs. >> reporter: mayor booker suffered smoke inhalation and second degree burns to his right hand. the woman he rescued had burns on her back and smoke inhalation, as well. both went to the hospital. >> this sort of thing happened often enough when cory booker was mayor that it became something he almost had to live

down. unless you can actually fly in terms of people's expectations for you, it is not necessarily a good thing in politics when people start calling you superman. cory booker was ultimately elected to the united states senate in a special election held after the death of frank and elected to a full term in 2014 which means he's coming to the end of his first full term as a u.s. senator. he as a national profile. he has a progressive senator by any measure and also has a notable record of across the isle friendships and legislative collaborations, which is why we have rare pick totures of charl grassly being hugged by another adult human and that is cory booker, of course it was. he was the driving force behind the mayor criminal justice reform legislation brought forth by democratic and republican senators and signed into law by president trump in december. senator booker has now announced his run for the u.s. presidency.

in the interest of full disclosure, i should tell you i have known him personally since he had hair. i knew senator booker when we were in college. we over lapped both in college and grad school. we knew each other and were friends. you never expect somebody you know to run for president. maybe if you're born a kennedy, you expect that. for normal people, it's such a weird thing to think somebody you know might end up being president or running for president as a serious candidate. and that's true in general but i will tell you from my personal experience in life, honestly, now senator cory booker is so different than anybody i have ever known on earth, he is such an absolutely unique embodiment of moral energy and moral earne

earnest, he might be the only person i've known for whom it might make sense he's running for president. definitely not true for anybody else i knew in context but for him, it might be the one for whom it makes sense. since he announced he's running, i have not had a chance to talk to him. this is about to be his first cable interview since he's declared his candidacy to become president of the united states. senator cory booker joins us next. r cory booker joins us next by moments like this. don't let psoriatic arthritis take them away. taltz reduces joint pain and stiffness and helps stop the progression of joint damage. for people with moderate to severe psoriasis, 90% saw significant improvement. taltz even gives you a chance at completely clear skin. don't use if you're allergic to taltz. before starting, you should be checked for tuberculosis. taltz may increase risk of infections and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you have an infection, symptoms, or received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz,

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we are americans. we are nation of love, not a nation of hate. we are a nation of decency and kindness, we're a nation of civic grace. we're a nation that sees each other and loves each other and works together. and so i want to win the next election and i believe we will. i want to bring the best policy ideas, i believe our party will but i want to heal this nation with you. i want to bring back together with you. i want to call to the common

decency of a nation and have us stand and work and fight together because this nation is not yet a place with liberty and justice for all and every generation has an obligation to honor their ancestors and join the fight to make this nation more fair and just. to make this nation a more perfect union. thank you, everybody. >> joining us now for the interview is democratic senator cory booker. he's been a member of the u.s. senate since 2014 and before that the mayor of the great city of newark and before that a member of the newark city counsel and running for the democratic nominee for president of the united states. good to see you. >> it's good to see you. >> i was talking to my friend chris hayes today about our shows. he said i think you need to break the fourth wall and talk about you know cory booker has a person. >> you talked about one of the

most embarrassing moments of my radio interviews. we have a long friendship. i hope those radio interviews won't be found. so let's avoid that right now. >> you realize you just directed everyone in country to go find that stuff. listen, i never said anything bad about you because i've never known anything bad about you. coming from that place. >> yes. >> when you were mayor and the possibility arousal of you running for the senate, i remember having a conversation with you just as people who knew each other as friends where we were talking about whether that would be a good job, not about whether or not you could win, not about what it meant in party politics but maybe you wanted to be a u.s. senator having gone from, that had two different components, number one, it meant you would be going from being the guy in charge, number one person in charge of city government to being 100 out of 100 in terms of seniority and number two, it meant going to washington. i remember talking about whether

or not there was anything worth doing as a human being in washington and you didn't know the answer to either of those but did decide to run. >> i had a lot of doubts about being a united states senator and you were good because you directed me to people you really liked. one is a guy i have a lot of respect for and brown gave me his phone number and i went down there with some skepticism because so much criticism is surrounding washington and the woman in the projects who i live in her building for about a decade who first elected me, the reason the map of the central wards behind me said don't forget where you came from where the people got you in office. i remained in the neighborhood but went to work on the tougher problems that affect people in the come mup munities i live in. it's been one of the most rewarding jobs i've had because i've been able to get a lot of good things done and last congress couple very big things done. one is criminal justice reform, which literally is going to liberate thousands of people,

just the crack cocaine, powder cocaine disparities will release thousands of people. 90% of them black if you look at the tim scott who is a republican from south carolina, he and i sat and talked about poverty and why is it that the lowest income areas in america are rural areas or inner cities don't get investment? we wrote a bill that got very little attention to create incentives to invest. it's historically probably going to be the largest est economic development bill that will put hundreds of billions, if not tens of billions of dollars into rural areas in places like camden and newark. i found a way to buckle down and get to work with people and know them and go to bible study with them and go to the gym, doing anything i could to get things done. things that are very similar to what i did in newark, new

jersey. >> that answers both parts, is there stuff you found a pat as a senator to do stuff. >> doesn't get the attention because people like the brawls and the fights and the like but very quietly, if you put your head down, you can get everything from human rights issues to i got a child, juvenile solitary confinement banned on the federal level by fighting for the human rights of our children and limit chemical testing on animals. just very quietly without fanfare go to work every day and look for openings and look for ways to bring people together to fix stuff. >> and bringing people together literally with your senate colleagues. i mean, you have been able to -- this is one of the things you've always done at least of course throughout the portion of your life where i've known you is you've been able to make unlikely friends and you've been able to start conversations with the people that might not necessarily be disposed to like you when they first met you. you've been able to be

constructive with legislation and yet, that would signal to me if i was reading a book about this that maybe you want to stay in the senate forever and want new jersey to keep sending you back and end up being senate majority leader. you don't have any sfeeling of what it's like working 100ing to. you say you're done with the senate and want to be president instead. why that change? >> as a guy that led a city through crisis, we're a nation in crisis. we have people who are losing faith in our ability to solve our problems and more and more people in america feel left out, left behind or this democracy is not working for them and even worse than that, that speaks to my sort of sense of real crisis is that people believe the forces tearing us apart as a country are stronger than those that tie us together. i reject that. and i know -- >> be specific about that, though. that sounds -- that sounds like short rhetoric. i mean, the -- what do people

believe that is tearing us apart that's win sng. >> so look, you have a person heckling the president of the united states. president obama giving a state of the union speech and goes out the next quarter with a best fund raiser ever. you have major networks that get a lot of money often by telling us to hate each other. you have hate being spewed from the highest office in the land. you have people in my community who think we have a criminal justice system that treats you better if you're rich or guilty. you have kids in my neighborhood who say you see people being arrested in my town for doing things that two of the last three presidents did. we have entire families that do everything right and find out their kids have lead poisoning and we have more jurisdictions, thousands of places it's easier to find unleaded gasoline than water and nobody seems to care about it. when i go around, i still

remember campaigning for secretary clinton and going to communities and often african american communities and folks said why? they just lost their faith that this system -- >> in despair. >> in decembspair. >> ink from stanford and my phd from the streets of newark, she taught me hope is the act of conviction that despair, have the most despairing moments as my evolution into adulthood where more and more people are rightfully, understandably despairing for a country who are senior citizens working their lives and literally a living below poverty line or people who have fear, shackled to fear because they worry if they get sick, they won't be able to afford it or if their child gets

sick, they have to lose their job to be there for their kid because they are one of the only industrialized nations. there are people frustrated and when they look towards politics, it's the politics of tear down and take down or pitting people as opposed to calling us to finish the unfinished business. the course of outrage which we need to have. we're so focused on trump. most of the things i mentioned were going on before donald trump was elected. massive environmental injustice. massive economic injustice. massive race and racism embedded in our systems going on before donald trump, obviously he's made it worse. he's a crisis but there is a worry and fear that we're not motivated anymore, collectively in the way that we were to meet other morally unjust things whether it's jim crow or child labor that got so many americans to come together to solve them. i want to be the president that helps us again understand that

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back with us live in studio is senator cory booker running to be the democratic nominee for president of the united states. senator, thank you again for being here. >> thank you. good to be here. >> couple years ago you became the first senator to officially sit down at the witness stand and testify against one of your colleagues at his confirmation hearing when you testified against jeff sessions and his confirmation to be attorney general. are you still glad you did that? >> it's one of my prouder moments. i sat down to cedric an up and

coming and john lewis and felt this conviction because i don't think americans understand how race, especially race within the criminal justice system still punishes entire communities and jeff sessions is a guy that stood against constructive reforms. it would have made a difference, not only that but against voting rights and against protecting lgbtq kids. we knew and i've seen it happen where the justice department would pull back from defending voting rights, defending civil rights, fighting against a criminal justice and broken and police accountability measures. things that are happening all around our country holding police accountable and making sure we have a police department especially when police -involve violence. >> dropping the consent. let me ask you about who is the man who is likely to be jeff sessions' replacement. am i right you voted against william bar and him being confirmed as the next a.g.?

>> that wasn't hard to do. he wrote a book called "the case for mass incarceration" or something to that extent. he's one of the arctics of that tough on crime movement and devastated communities. when you say devastated commu communitie communities, 20% less poverty. this nation, the land of the free that incarcerates one out of every three on planet earth in america. what does that do when you have a non-violent drug crime for doing things that two of the last three presidents did? you can't get a job. you can't get businesses licenses and economically devastates you. we have economic devastation and voting rights taken away and after condition americans because remember, the same, there is no difference between blacks or whites for using drugs or dealing drugs but blacks are almost four times more likely to be incarcerated for it. you have a system of mass incarceration that feeds upon the poor and mentally ill and addicted and among communities

of color and for me, someone who is not calling out that system that's so broken that wouldn't even -- when i asked a question about bias and policing, something that former fbi directors, big city chiefs said we need to do something about racial bias. he didn't know enough about it to say it exists. so for these reasons and more, i can't support him but he did come to me. i said to him after the hearings, would you come meet with me? he came with others and staff meet all around. i said can i meet with you one on one in my office? i wanted to make a heart felt appeal to him from my experience as a young black man growing up my run ins with police how we have this justice system that needs people. >> how did he react? >> you know, he didn't say what i wanted him to say and i felt at times i wasn't getting through. i gave him a book, which michelle alexander -- >> new jim crow. >> and asked him to please at

least read it. it's one of the most fact-based books evidence about our bias systems. so i felt it was honorable that he would come and sit with me and listen with me one on one. i'm a prisoner of hope always but ready and poised to keep fighting the trump justice department as they continue to do attacks on voting rights or failure to defend rights and you name it. >> i have something else i want to ask you about which i never heard you talk about and i have no idea what you think. will you stay for one more segment. >> absolutely. >> senator cory booker will be back with us. stay with us. cory booker will e back with us stay with us

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>> are already running. you are blessed among women in the field right now. >> yes. >> if you got the nomination, would you commit to choosing a woman as your vice presidential running mate? >> i think it would be malpractice, i'm not going to make any specific commitments. we have such a great field of leaders, i think you'll rarely see a democratic ticket anymore without gender diversity, race diversity. it's something we should have. i'm not going to box myself in, but should i come to it, you know i'll be looking to women first. >> you have positive relationships with some if not all running on the democratic side, i've heard that about you and everybody else. can it be competitive and tough and trying while still being what you want from public life? >> look, we have great people running. this is actually an abundance of riches for the democratic party. i hope whoever wins, we all support. it's very important to me that

we have full support of whoever the nominee is. i'm just confident to tell my story, let people know i have a unique pathway to running for president, coming through inner city management through crisis with great results. i'm hoping people will support me for who i am, in the spirit of, look, it's not just about beating trump, it's not just about what we're against. it has to be what we're for, bringing this country together to solve seriously problems. if people want to support me, here's my plug, go to corybooker.com, join the fight. >> my friend, congratulations on taking it so far. we'll be right back. stay with us. ack. stay with us >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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that pretty much does it for us tonight. there is a lot to stay in for tonight, though, here on msnbc, as we're continuing to follow these reports that members of congress have reached some sort of tentative deal to avert yet another government shutdown at the end of the week. we still don't know the exact terms of the deal. it reportedly does not include

funding for the president's wall. it does include funding for 50 plus miles of new fencing. the president today says that he is unhappy with the deal. he also says that he is going to use other methods and other money because he's going to finish the wall which he insists he has already been building, even though he hasn't. there are some reports tonight that the house could be voting on this tentative deal as early as tomorrow. senator mitch mcconnell is saying today that he hopes the president does sign the deal which implies the senate is going to pass something too. at this point it is unclear how fast we are going to proceed to the next juncture, but watch this space, by which i mean, now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. when is the last time you saw a politician do something, that that politician knew would hurt reelection? >> knowingly did it? >> yeah. >> yeah, mmm. >> i'm going to remind you.