open. maybe wrapping up as you heard but tonight bob mueller winning on three out of five counts regarding the allegations that paul manafort lied, blowing up his own plea deal. now he faces a much lengthier prison sentence. that does it for "the beat." "hardball" is next. a judge says manafort lied. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. we have some late breaking news tonight. the federal judge in the case of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort has sided with the special counsel, ruling that manafort lied the prosecutors in violation of the plea agreement he struck last fall. most important, one of manafort's lies involves his kakts with kimmic. it comes as we get a glimpse of

how the trump campaign may have clueded with the russians. it is a story of secret plans and a smoke-filled room high above fifth avenue. as we first learned monday, this was a meeting in august of 2016 that according to mueller's prosecutor goes to the heart of what the special counsel's office is investigating. it appears central to froofg campaign engaged in a conspiracy with the russians. the meeting took place in manhattan in an exclusive cigar club called the grand havana room who bills itself as an extremely modern setting. it was. in atmosphere that they sat down with the russian operative. all three have been charged in the investigation. rick gates is the one however, cooperating with prosecutors. one subject discussed was a proposed resolution, their word, to the conflict over ukraine.

according to the transcript last week, the judge appeared to allude to another, the handoff by manafort of internal polling data from trump's campaign to a russian associate. the meeting appears to have been so sensitive that it ended through three men heaving through separate doors. why would they do? unless they have hiding something. now the breaking news is that the judge in manafort's case has today ruled that manafort made multiple false statements, lies, to the fbi, the special counsel's office and the grand jury regarding his interactions and communications with could not stand continue kilimnik. glen, a former federal prosecutor. david cornyn, and tom winter. tell us what happened with the

judge's ruling today about how manafort broke his deal. >> so this ruling that came in a written order moments before you came on the air here tonight follows two sealed hearings, meaning no reporters, no public, just the people, the principals involved in this. and the judge says tonight that the, because of manafort's lies, because of what she heard over the several days of hearings, that the special counsel mueller's office is not bound by the plea agreement with paul manafort which means they are not bound to argue for lighter jail sentence for him and his washington, d.c. case. that a federal judge in virginia where he's already been convicted on eight counts and he's admitted to the rest of the counts that he did those crimes, that they can essentially throw book at him. and paul manafort faces a very real possibility of spending the remaining days of his life in jail. it is not a life sentence but it effectively is when you stack on the amount of years that could be piled on here.

the judge, and the interactions with kilimnik, she found based on the preponderance of the evidence that she saw, that manafort lied about that. that in addition to that, he lied about another department of justice investigation. we don't quite know what that is about. then because of the redactions, what they deep to be an ongoing investigation, at least an investigation that hasn't been made public yet, even if it has could not cheweded, is believed to be something that involves a super pac. it is three of the five things that mueller cited. one thing where she saw manafort didn't lie had to do with the kakts with current trump administration officials. she found that the government hadn't met its burden of proof.

that's the quick synopsis tonight of what is a difficult ruling. >> we're looking at a meeting, a certain meeting at this cigar room at 666 avenue owned by jared kushner. it seems the most interesting meeting, and now we have the judge ruling that manafort lied about that meeting. he lied about his relationship with this russian who is close to russian intelligence, the old kgb. he lied about. that he left by a separate exit. the three had the suggestion they were doing something they weren't proud to have the world know about it and now he lied about it. it might have been what the post is calling the fulcrum of the whole deal. the link-up that will lead to a lockup between russians and the trump people. >> when i heard the reporting about the cigar bar meeting, a couple of tactical pieces fell into place for me as a former career prosecutor. here's why.

there's been so much litigation about whether manafort lied or not, right? multiple court hearings. there's been testimony. do we really think that the only thing going to was that bob mueller wanted paul manafort to get 12 years instead of ten years? i don't think so. here's how the cigar bar litigation, you have three people, kilimnik, gates, manafort. gates and manafort have both told mueller what was said at that meeting. let's assume quid pro quo was said at that meeting. the russians will keep help trump getting elected if you agree on lift sanctions once he gets elected. so let's assume gates says, that's what they said. manafort said no, they didn't. what do you have? you have couldn't afflicting testimony from two cooperating witnesses on the big ticket issue. and now that a judge, a federal judge says, manafort, you are a

big fat liar. that neutralizes any bad information manafort may have provided about that three-way meeting and gates is the man that mueller can now hold up as telling the truth about what happened in that meeting before they went out their separate doors showing consciousness of guilt. >> i've been there at least once. a former nbc official took me to that cigar place. i know why you go there. it is the only place you can smoke in a restaurant setting. it is big chairs, big comfortable leather chairs. >> it also has the aspect, it won't be talk in a public place where you don't loknow who is s go next to you. the guy next to you has his own secrets. why would two guys meet with him up there? right in the middle of the campaign he's running for trump. >> remember the timing, this is august 2, 2016. the race is heating up. both conventions have ended by

this point. paul manafort campaign chair leaves campaign headquarters and goes to a cigar bar with one of his lieutenants in that campaign. rick gates, to meet with a russian national. they left campaign headquarters in the midst of this very busy period. and what happens? this is so important and why the judge's ruling today may be terribly significant. what from what we can glean from the transcripts, we know there were discussions of two things. one was provision of some polling data from the trump campaign to this russian, said to be tied to russian intelligence. what would that be? polling information. it could be a road map for the russians who, all of our intelligence agencies have now ruled. >> were close in wisconsin. we're close in wisconsin, michigan. >> important to say we don't know what it is but we gather from what we can see in the transcript that it was complex and the judge, we know, is interested in what it was. so we have on the one hand,

something provocative. >> all kinds of things you can use to go after women and minorities. >> perhaps, we don't know. there was a reference at one point, a lawyer says the material that was turned over was not relevant. it was jibberish. he uses the word jibberish. and the judge says in this unredacted portion, exactly. that's why it is so interesting. it may be very sophisticated data. we don't know. on the one hand, you have a provision of date from the campaign and on the other you have a discussion of a ukraine peace plan. why is that important? because it leads to the number one agenda item of vladimir putin which is ending sanctions. that the west imposed because of the russian invasion. >> he wants to bring back at least what he can of the russian empire. and that begins with ukraine. as tom mentioned the grand havana meeting at the cigar bar is especially suspicious because

of its unusual timing in the summer of 2016. remember, it came after it was announced in june of 2016 that russia had hacked the dnc. it came after wikileaks released the hacked e-mails. it came after trump asked for e-mails from russia about hillary clinton. >> by the way, they hacked, they probably have her 33,000 e-mails. i hope they do. they probably have her 33,000 e-mails that she lost and deleted. because you would see some beauties there. let's see. >> it would be interesting to see. i will tell you this. russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> russia, if you're listening, let's get in bed together politically. then just two days before

manafort's meeting, trump suggested the territory of crimea should be part of russia. he is selling them the deal. here he goes. >> you know, the people of crimea, from what i've heard, would rather be with russia than where they were. and you have to look at that also. >> from what i hear. from what i hear. listen, everybody. manafort is talking to him all the time. who else would be talking to him about crimea with? we don't have conversations in america with who deserves to own crimea. except the guy working for you, or for them. the breaking news is a judge has ruled that manafort, paul manafort lied to prosecutors about his conversations with the russian kilimnik. thanks for waiting us out here. congresswoman from california, you're on the intel committee. we're getting all this news like from a fire hydrant. your thoughts. >> what we do know is that

donald trump is a liar and that he surrounds himself with liars. his inner circle. and we know that he likes to make a lot of money. throughout 2016, if the recording is correct about what has been told to us in the media, he was still working trump tower in moscow. there was a letter of intent. hit no expiration date. so through all this period of time, he's not thinking he's going to win. he just wants to kind of grease the skids so when he doesn't win, he has a deal with putin for 100-story trump tower in moscow, the largest building in all of europe. so we're all putting the pieces together and i think it is pretty obvious what's happening here. this grand havana cigar club. i wish i was a fly on the wall. except i probably would have been exhausted by the fumes.

but it was more that went on there than we even know today, i believe. >> hold on, congresswoman. i think he was going to a win-win strategy. you don't run for president unless you want to win but you have the fallback, i'll be richer than ever. but the russians wanted him to win. they wanted him to win, to have influence, to repay them by getting rid of sanctions and ok'ing their grab, perhaps of all of ukraine. >> this is the collusion. we've had examples of public collusion. this is private collusion. one thing that didn't come up in the time line, a few days before the meeting, there was a message, our friend wants to talk to you. he has messages for but the future of the country. this is regarded as a reference to oleg deripaska. so he says okay, i'll fly in to meet you. so he was responding to meet

with an emissary of deripaska. >> and this guy is kilimnik. >> why does he lie to mueller and the others? >> and why did they leave if separate exits? >> this is what manafort says. we talked about this plan to bring peace in the ukraine that could lead to the lifting of sanctions. he tells mueller, we didn't talk about it again after that meeting. one of the lies that he's been charged with here, or found to have lied, is that he continued to work on that plan with kilimnik through the election, after the election, into 2018. so here was manafort trying to work a pro russia initiative while he knew russia was trying to help trump. so if it is not an explicit quid pro quo, you have to believe there's a lot of nodding and winking in that meeting. >> you're with the "washington post." i'm watching this and thinking,

the same old line, the line the soviets used to use, peace. peace means they win. i said why are you a communist one time? he said because i believe in peace. what they mean by peace is they went, we lose. in this case they meant they take over ukraine and you live with it. that's what it means. with the meeting, isn't that what they wanted? the new about to be president, i'm going to give you ukraine. >> what we know from what we can glean from opportunity redacted filings is that there were repeated discussions between paul manafort and kilimnik about a ukraine peace plan. whether that peace plan would result in peace or a land grab, i have no idea. >> it was going to be a russian deal. >> we know that a peace plan would be a prerequisite. a peace plan with this administration with the west, the trump administration in the west, is a prerequisite to

lifting sanctions. economic sanctions. the number one item on the top of the putin wish list. so we know that and we know also, we're not sure what was in this plan. one thing we do frng the usually secretive under wraps robert mueller operation, one of his lead prosecutors is in this transcript saying what was discussed at this meeting which we believe was polling date and a ukraine peace plan? he said gets to the heart of what we are investigating. >> it seems to me, your peace assess this is the deal between the russians. thank you very much for your investigative reporting. my other guests are sticking with me with much more of the breaking news. a federal judge says robert mueller's office has proven that paul manafort deliberately lied to the special counsel. not just lied but lied about his meeting with the russians. particularly that night in

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by the gig or get unlimited. and now get $200 back when you buy and eligible smartphone. click, call, or visit a store today. we're now into an explosive news report. the federal judge amy berm an jackson found that paul manafort deliberately lied to bob mueller in violation of his plea deal. we're back with my guests. i want to go back to glen on this. let's talk about what happens when manafort is a liar and the judge jackson says this guy is a liar. is he any good to the prosecutor? can he turn again and say okay, i'll screw trump finally. >> he is now toxic. he will never see the inside of a grand jury room again. he will never see the inside of a courtroom in the event there are future indictments dropped

by bob mueller. importantly, he can't be a spoiler for mueller. why? if he contradicts anything that gates or other cooperating witnesses say about russian collusion, guess what, he is a liar and a federal judge has said he's a liar. >> so he's no good for trump. >> but he can't be a spoiler. some teams like to be spoilers by coming in and beating everybody down. he can't be a spoiler. he's done. mueller had a tactical reason beyond getting him more jail time on get that judge to could not chewed, he is a liar. >> let me go to you. if you have a meeting between trump's campaign chair and nobody probably runs anything but trump. at least he has the title. i'm the big boss. i'm trump's big guy. i'm meeting in a cigar bar on this roof where nobody except vips are up here. and he's dealing for trump.

at what point would you as a member of the committee want to see trump's hands on that? not just his guys doing this. assumingly with trump's support. but really working for trump in this particular regard. what do you need to know? >> well, we need to know to what extent these two people were conspiring to commit a crime against the united states or to evade the united states in some way, and the effort to identify manafort for candidate trump is something that we will have to investigate. it will be hard to bring paul manafort in to ask him any questions because he is so tainted. >> let me ask you, do you want, in terms of any constitutional action against this president, do you think it is important to have his finger prints on the deal making? or simply that they were deal

making with the russians in terms of sanctions relief, maybe even some new relationship, some finlandization if you will, of ukraine? any deal making like that? would you like to know that trump said so? >> of course we would like to know that donald trump said so. i don't know that that is in the offing. but it is all evidence. it is all evidence. growing evidence of an unholy alliance between then candidate donald trump and the russians. and i am convinced it is all about money. that's what makes donald trump tick. and i'm certain that what we'll find out over time, is that this moscow trump tower was a big part of it. >> despite the favoritism time and time fence, vice president pence said this today. it is unbelievable how this accolade talks sometimes.

here he is saying the absolutely unbelievable. here's vice president pence. >> in the face of these provocations, and in solidarity with poland and our european partners, president trump has done more to confront russia's actions than any president in modern history. >> david, i have to tell you. i've watched him. we've watched him. he has been russia's best friend. a ukraine, crimea, nuclear inf, blowing apart nato, really broke the back of the soviet empire. everything that russians don't like, he's attacked everything the russians don't like. >> let's stick to the core matter. the russia attack on the u.s. election if 2016 to help trump. trump throughout the campaign kept saying, wasn't happening. he was colluding with the russian campaign to deny it was happening. and then throughout his presidency, he's not taken it seriously and we had that tragic

press conference in helsinki when he said, well, putin said he didn't do it. our guys said he definitely putin has a point. so again and again and again, he took an oath to defend this country. and he is not defended against this attack from russia. in fact, he help the attack occur by denying it was happening. and now we have this collusion. that's the word for it here between his campaign chairman and the emissary of putin's closest oligarch, one of the closest old gargs in the middle of the campaign. you've been around washington a long time. we've seen many campaign and political skanls, you don't know about it but your chief of staff does something, you get held responsible. so he's responsible, at the request of deripaska to cut a

deal, the judge tells us manafort has lied about consistently after he got caught. >> you know, did i work in politics for years. i'll tell you one thing people don't know about outside politics. when you write a speech, you write the speech for the guy you're writing for. you know who they are and what they want. when they read it, they say this is what i want. it is a hand in glove relationship. you don't tell the dentist which tooth to work on. he's your agent. that's how it works. it is a symbolic relationship. paul manafort was brought in as the expert with the ukrainians. that was who he was. it may have looked like something else but that's who he was. he was working the russians. trump says you're the guy working with the russians. okay. how can we work these guys? it's obvious.

and what do we know in open court? this goes right to the heart of what's being investigated which we all know is russian collusion, russian conspiracy. when you put all these pieces together, it is all there in plain sight. >> this will be a location. this will be one of those locations, you look up and say, that's where they cut the deal. as always, thank you for coming on from inside the action. we're just watching from the outside. thank you. you're the greatest. up next, president trump says he's looking for land mine that's could blow up a bipartisan spending deal. why is he looking for land mines? will trump support the deal despite being not happy? like mikey. remember the commercial? mikey likes it. grow up. we'll be right back. grow up. we'll be right back. ike if we listened more? could the right voice - the right set of words - bring us all just a little closer, get us to open up,

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welcome back to "hardball." president trump remains noncommittal on border security. he said he wasn't happy with the agreement that provides just $1.4 billion. today he said he's waiting to see the details. >> we haven't got yes, ma'am it yet. we'll be getting it. we'll be looking for land mines. we have a lot of things happening. we're building a lot of wall with money we already have. we'll take a look at it.

i don't want to see a shutdown. a shutdown would be a terrible thing. >> the associated press sayses expected to say yes. many of the president's republican allies, is that what you call them? allies, stooges sometimes. arguing he can find the money somewhere else. >> the president still has a few more tools in his tool box to use to make sure that we have the border completely secure. >> what we have to do is we have to encourage the president to take some time of executive action if congress is not going to work. >> i think the president is inclined to accept the agreement, move on and try to find money elsewhere. and most likely declare an emergency. >> a national emergency? >> definitely on the table. i'll let him tell you who are not he'll do it. but he's very inclined to go that route. >> today, house majority leader

steny hoyer told reporters that could it come as soon as thursday, that's tomorrow. i want to start with the former congressman. what do you make of the sort of interesting pearls? i don't know whether i will. he's seen it. i haven't seen it yet. what is he up to? what's your thought? >> this is reality tv. the president knows exactly what's in this deal because republican lawmakers have been briefing the white house all week. and he's going to sign it. mainly because his republican allies in congress have no tolerance for any more games. they knew they were walking into a dead end back in december when this all started. they went along with it any way. but people have run out of patience. this will get signed. who knows what the president will do after? but in terms of keeping the

country in suspense, that's reality television. >> you watch these really toughies on the hard right media world. he know these people, sean hannity, rush limbaugh, they're all really tough the night before. you chicken, you loser, you weakling. then all of a sudden, it's okay. it looks like he's figured it out. they're taunting him like a mosquito who wants to bite the person for the blood but doesn't want to kill them because they need person for the blood. your thoughts? he's listening to sean hannity on what to do. >> look, i think what's fascinating about this president is that he could have had and sold an honorable compromise in december. instead, he waits three months, takes a worse deal and wants to lie about it. so he would rather lie about a failure than get a compromise. and a lot of the coast guard guys that i'm overseeing on my committee, a bunch of folks who are doing nothing but their

jobs. now we can he is holding up the deal on contractors. >> you really want to play back water? i don't know if i'm going to pay them. today white house secretary sarah sanders was asked about the criticism the president could have gotten more money before the shutdown. >> nancy pelosi said directly that she wasn't going to give a single dollar for the wall. so that's just not true. this includes roughly $1.4 billion for the wall. >> i was a saying monday night, fox news host laura ingram panned the deal. called it a garbage compromise. and like i said, what a difference a day makes. last night they tried a new spin. >> this is amazing. they are referring to building walls as immoral. now they're funding this immoral behavior. >> let's not forget, while trump isn't getting everything he wants and definitely not what most of us want, democrats are

also breaking pelosi's pledge. >> $1. >> wow! try $1.375 billion. she might not want to call it a wall but that's what it is. that's not all bad. >> these people, i know what their business is. keep the audiences growing. that's what they do. does trump know that? or does he think they're 50%? >> he watches them. you have mark meadows saying it was a bad deal. i feel like in the last 24 hours, really changed their tune saying if he gets on find money elsewhere, signs the bill which he will stein bill, we hear, and finds money elsewhere, then it's okay. >> of course. how much can he grab from other pockets? >> that's a really important point. >> can he get more than $1 billion? >> that's $250 million that has been appropriated, not contracted. so when kevin mccarthy talks about a tool in the tool box,

he's talking about a hammer. for cadets, they need dorms. that's the next generation of military leaders. it is an outrage and our own guys don't support it. >> who was the last guy to do that? benedict arnold? >> snuck away on the hms. >> is this an issue with congress that every dollar he takes from congress, he's taking it from something we want? >> wildfires. that's kevin mccarthy's state. how about puerto rico where we've done a terrible thing and they're still trying to catch up. this money is coming from somewhere. he could have had a good deal. >> why is he still playing this game? why is he looking for land mines? like he wants to find them. >> i think what i'm hearing is that he knows he will sign the bill. you can timpger a little bit. he has to show, look like he's fighting.

that he is trying to get the will to be better. yesterday he said he was adding things to the bill. i don't think he is at this point. >> you've been through this election season, let me ask you what you've learned. it seems to me trump walks a wall. like middle east fight. we're fighting about bricks and particular locations that people died for. it just seems to me strange, now a fence made of some other material is okay. and the democrats led by the brilliant nancy pelosi says it is immorality to put up a brick wall. it seems everybody is so religious about this. iconic. one side is one 100% pure. and who cares if they're 50 more, 55 more feet of fence? where anybody can walk 55 feet around that fence. everybody knows, if you want to get here to get a job for your family, you'll walk 50 feet. you've already walked perhaps

hundreds of miles to get to the border. you'll walk another 50 feet to get across. this is a joke, this fight. >> that's right. and the bottom line is that institutions still matter in this country. and if you want to get a priority funded, and you're the president, you have to go to congress, build a coalition, negotiate, and the president missed that opportunity. the president could have put an offer on the table that provided a permanent path to citizenship for dreamers. permanent relief of the tps population. maybe some of my old democratic friends in a tough position. instead, he kept insisting while offering nothing, and now he's getting a bill that we could have passed in december of last year with republicans still controlling the house, and the senate. instead, he's getting the same bill and the country has made no progress on the issue of immigration. by the way, there are some smart investment that's can be made on the border. most americans agree we can do

better at the border like most americans agree we need to be more compassionate with the victim of our broken immigration system. if this president is the deal maker he promised to be, he could have put that deal on the table. he didn't and he held out for less. >> and he could stop hiring illegally, too. i guess he's trying to make himself look good on that one but he's been cheating all along. happy st. patrick's day. it is coming in a month. >> same to you. we're going to talk about the green new deal. will republicans succeed in painting it as a boondoggle? and will democrats find a way to trans38th framework into a policy? u.s. congressman joe kennedy iii of massachusetts will join us next. mofassachusetts will join us next i think it will fit. want a performance car that actually fits your life?

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>> there's another thing, it's ice cream. livestock will be banned. say goodbye to beef, family farms, ranches, american favorites like milk shakes will be a thing of the past. >> he said the world would be over in 12 years anyway. i don't know why we would spend money if the world is going to end. they want the country to run on unicorns and gum drops. >> what do you make of trump? this case, mitch mcconnell's game he's playing? >> i hope he does put it on the floor. i'm not sure that many of those folks have read it. it's not that long. i urge them to take a look it a. it says we have two major challenges in the country. one is climb change. and two is an economy that is not working for everybody. so let's take the reforms necessary that we need to make for our economy and address climate change. and it sets out aspiration that's on the baseline, it says a very simple thing.

we've got these major structural challenges. government has to be at the table and a force to address them. so let's aim high to try to address those goals to make sure that american families not only do we have a better environment have -- we could take down the level of economic anxiety that families are feeling. this is a chance for them to get on the record and say do they feel the economic incertainty r. they willing to use the powerful of our economy? >> why do you think republicans -- they're probusiness of course. most people are probusiness. they're making fun of the climate change we're facing as a species, people who live on earth. why do they make fun of it? >> look, better question for republicans. i have met with plenty of businesses where they indicate that climate change is the

biggest challenges that they face. you talk to most businessmen around the country, and they will acknowledge -- >> we're looking at it. the arctic is coming apart. it's iceberg after iceberg. miami is about 4, 5 feet above sea level now. >> you've been around this a lot longer than i have. there was, however, a saying when i was in the court system trying cases, when you have the facts, you have the facts. when you have the law you argued the law, when you have nothing you got loud. s on the floor. very seldom in this country do we have a chance for political leaders to cast a vote to say are you going to be on the right side of history or the wrong side. i look forward to mr. mcconnell making that choice. >> we talked about the corporate world, they have the economic power. how come we have a corporate morality where -- you talked about the fact that big corporations are buying back stock. that's the first thing they need when they get a tax break.

they raise the value of their stock. it doesn't do anything for creating jobs. >> i think this fits in with the green new deal and i applaud my colleagues for putting this together. what this is a recognition that our economy, the american economy, has done more to bring more people out of poverty and provide for prosperity than any other economic system in history. we're seeing the gains of that have gone to the top echelon of our society and those gains have not been widespread. we need to reconfigure that. >> in the 50s and 60s, you could have one person in the family -- you recollected afford that. kids would go to college. those days are way gone. >> those days are gone. the 50s and 60s had our own separate set of struggles. with a single wage earner, you

could provide a pathway way in a lot of ways. that's not the reality anymore and your government instructors, not only have they caught up, they've been eroded. the protections around pensions, the investments taking place, i point out an example in my business that's been repeated of a plant that had been in massachusetts for over 40 years, phillips lighting, the company got $340 million in global profits last year. took a stock buy back and after that shock buy back was announced, they said they were going to fire 160 employees -- >> let me ask you about this 2020. you've endorsed senator warren. i had a lunch with her, she said i believe in capitalism. is that going to have the kind of battle? i never heard of democrats saying they were socialists. how is that going to work out in

this debate because it is going to be ideological? >> there's going to be exactly what i think we need to have which is a big debate in our country and i think we've got an incredible number of candidates at the top. i'm proud to support senator warren, my former teacher and somebody's values who are about making the structures and the power of the economy work for everybody. that's what she studied -- her main area of focus, bankruptcy. as a student i was wondering why of all subjects would you choose bankruptcy and she said because this is how a society treats those after they fall, do we pick them up and let them start again. >> thank you so much. the trojan horse in the trump white house. back after this. back after this.

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a trojan horse stands today inside the white house. the same soldiers that took our country to the war with iraq. i don't know what led donald trump a man who campaigned so hard against stupid wars to invite the loudest hawk of that stupidest of all wars into his administration. worst yet to make him his national security adviser but he did. and now john bolton is filling

up. bolton was pushing for an invasion of iraqi back in 1988. he got his way with the help of dig cheney using 9/11 as the cause for war even though iraq has no connection to the attack. bolton has got his eyes on a pair of invasion targets calling for regime change. it's time for ma dur are a to get out of the way. that's the elected president of the united states is warning to get out of the way. bolton said a similar threat to the leader of iran saying not to expect to celebrate any more anniversaries. how did he come into power? as bad as donald trump can be, what is he doing getting his direction on matters of war and peace from someone so dangerous

as john bolton. that's "hardball" for now. tonight on "all in." a president facing failure tries to rebrand. tonight the latest on the wall saga and where democrats stand on the border deal. new reporting of robert mueller's pursuit of a collusion case. what we're learning about a meeting with a russian. plus. >> the average tax refund from the irs down.