so we do that. my sister and i both do that today. that's part of our mission in life. we go about with my dad, our dad is an angel on one shoulder and our brother as an angel on another shoulder. that's all for this edition of "dateline". i'm natalie morales. thanks for watching. good morning. i'm philip mena at msnbc world headquarters in new york. it is 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west. here's what's happening. court battle loom being after the president declared a national emergency over his border wall. new today landowners, activist groups and the state of california all lining up to sue. a firsthand look at the truth, two new looks at what's happening on the border both in texas and mexico. plus -- >> the deputy attorney general was definitely very concerned about the president, about his

capacity, and about his intent at that point in time. >> but wait, there's more. new parts of that interview with the former acting fbi director. he talks further about that explosive 25th amendment revelation and what it means for the president. developing this hour, shutdown averted. but a constitutional standoff may follow. a barrage of legal challenges is expected after president trump declared a national emergency toto bypass congress and build a border wall. the president now in mar-a-lago. hours after his announcement three texas landowners and a texas advocacy group filed a lawsuit. the american civil liberties union said it will sue in the next few days and california's governor is telling the trump administration we'll see you in court. >> california is prepared to call this what is it, theater of absurd. california is prepared to remind

the american people this is a manufactured crisis. >> the president himself anticipated the legal challenges. >> we will have a national emergency. we will then be sued. we'll possibly get a bad ruling. then we'll get another bad ruling. then we'll end up in the supreme court. and hopefully we'll get a fair shake. we'll win at the supreme court. just like the ban. >> house speaker nancy pelosi and senate minority leader chuck schumer calling this a power grab and vowing to defend the constitution. represent. ives alexandria occasio-cortez and joaquin castro will introduce a resolution to force a senate vote. in a letter to the president the house judiciary chief is asking for the people involved in this declaration to testify in a hearing quote in the coming days. >> we would advise them what the advice was, to consider certain things. i don't expect to get answers.

this white house is very arrogant. we'll pass a resolution of disapproval. i imagine there will be a majority vote. >> susan collins and thom tillis said it could set a bad precedent. and ann coulter -- >> so forget the fact that he's digging his own grave. this is just look the only national emergency is our president is an idiot. >> mike, this is far from over. >> reporter: well that's right. you've outlined very well the court cases to come, the congressional action to come, and even the president, i thought it was very interesting in his rambling rose garden appearance yesterday said this is a national emergency, no question about it. yet he said in the same brett or t -- same breath or in the next

breath, i didn't have to do it. the president doesn't have the votes in congress to do what he wants to do and threw see him just moments after declaring that national emergency yesterday afternoon absconding aboard air force one to mar-a-lago where he'll be playing golf. this is far from over. it's unclear how much the president is actually going to be redirecting those military funds. will it be 2 billion, 8 billion, everybody sort of waiting to see exactly what he wants to do. again, that could be far down the road. yesterday in the rose garden there was blame to pass around from president trump to former speaker of the house paul ryan. check out this interchange between our own kelly o. and the president. >> i'll tell you i'm very disappointed at certain people, particular one for not having pushed this faster. >> are you referring to speaker

ryan, sir? >> who >> speaker ryan. >> let's not talk about it. what difference does it make. they should have pushed it faster, pushed it harder and they didn't. >> reporter: what difference does it make. later the president did call out paul ryan by name. phillip that's the state of play this morning as the dawn almost is getting ready to rise over washington. >> mike, thank you. joining me now political reporter and from business insider with politico. thank you both for joining us. first i want to listen to what may become a central piece of the legal challenges ahead for the president's declaration. >> i could do the wall over a longer period of time. i didn't need to do this. but i rather do it much faster. i didn't have to do it for the election. i already done a lot of wall for the election. 2020. and the only reason we're up here talking about this is

because of the election. because they want to try to win an election, which it looks like they are not going to be able to do. >> so, how much is the president undercutting his own argument here? >> what's really interesting about president trump is that whenever he starts off with a situation he's usually in a pretty good position. in this case that was true also. the supreme court we know has been very differential to the white house when it comes to national security issues. once again like we saw the president said that he didn't have to do this and that he kind of did it for political exper d expediency. he's undercut his own political defenses, when it comes to like construction of justice, the border wall. this is another example to a list of public statements that trump makes that could potentially undermine his entire case. >> elena what's your assessment?

>> she hit the nail on the head. he's making it harder for himself. he's putting in this in a political context. in his own mind which is obvious but maybe not one for lawyers trying to defend this before the courts. look, there's been 58 national emergencies that have been declared since 1976. two of which had to do with money. one in the ''90 around the iraq war and one after 9/11. so the president is right that national emergencies do get declared. the problem he is put this one squarely in the context of a political situation, which is then much more difficult for them to defend in court. >> "the washington post" is reporting trump campaign officials believe this emergency declaration will bolster the president's re-election effort. how much is mr. trump's insistence a border wall be built to convince his base he's

trying to fulfill that campaign promise. >> this is clear it's a political decision. what complicate this for trump this seems to be like that comment from ann coulter it's anering certain people in his base. we've come so from from his initial campaign promise that mexico will pay for the wall. we're now seeing the president declaring national emergency, which means that a lot of the funds are actually going to come from the u.s. military budget. so it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out with his base, his supporters who initially voted for him because they thought yes we a need for a this ball on the southern border. we'll have mexico will pay for it. that's not the case. >> we'll talk about some elected officials who are usually on trump's side. what does this mean for republican senators? what political risk do they face? >> i think that they face huge

problems in both for battleground senators who have to go home and potentially defend a vote if they so decide to bring up this resolution and forgesed to get on the record as to whether or not they support this border wall. two names you mentioned, susan collins of maine and thom tillis both face tough re-election in battleground states that won't be easy places for them to run. for them they are already indicating they may vote against this in part because they've got races they need to focus on. for other republicans coming from safer republican states we can expect them to fall in line with the president as much as we've seen over the course of the last two years when recognizes are forced to choose the trump base or stand up to him. they stand in line with the trump base because they are worried about losing that base in their own elections. >> let's talk about where the money for the wall will come from. the president wants to divert

$3.5 from defendant department projects. >> it's pretty clear it won't go over well with them. we've already seen a lot of republican lawmakers to tend to be military hawks come out against this decision, specifically because they've said that it would divert funds from other projects that are actually considered to be necessary and imperative to maintain nation security unlike this, you know, like some people have said this manufactured border crisis which really seems to be a political ploy. >> let's listen to two democratic presidential candidates reacting to the president's declaration as they are rallying in battleground states. >> he's trying to create a picture of division and hate and that's what i'm offended by the fact he spews this kind of racism in his words and actions is troubling. >> i think that this declaration of an emergency is completely unnecessary. it is playing politics with

taxpayer resources. it is about creating a crisis of his own making because of the vanity project that he feels he needs to pursue. >> so what do you think? is the president handing his challengers a powerful argument against them? >> i think he has absolutely handed them something else on which to at least amongst independent and moderate voters. these democrats are aware they are unlikely to pull over those voters who support this border wall. they know for moderates, suburban voters that drifted way from the president in the mid-term athletics, that delivered the democrats their 40 seat majority those are the kind of voters they need to within again particularly in the midwest and they feel something like this border wall and as you say they will keep calling it a manufactured crisis, manufactured emergency, as opposed to calling it a humanitarian challenge, refugee challenge, so the way they are

going to try to rebrand this is another way for them to go after those moderate independent voters. >> thank you both for joining us this morning. coming up, alexandria occasio-cortez declaring victory over amazon, but what kind of political fallout might she face? face? details ahead.

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five people dead and six injured. let's go to ron mott. >> reporter: good morning. this all erupted yesterday afternoon shortly before 1:30 local time. took more than 90 minutes before the last bullets flu here. this is a manufacturer of valves for plumbing projects. aurora, illinois is the latest town dealing with the aftermath of a mass shooting. the gunman opened fire around 2:00 p.m. at this manufacturing company about 40 miles from chicago. police arrived within four minutes. the gunman was killed. >> the shooter is identified as gary martin. he's a 45-year-old man and we believe he was an employee of the company. >> reporter: neighbors who live near the company could hear the gun shots.

the police response massive. dozens of emergency vehicles, s.w.a.t. teams rushing in. nearby schools were put on lockdown. parents told it wasn't safe to pick up their kids. >> overwhelming. i have kids in school. i don't know where they are at now. >> very traumaizing. never seen anything like this before. >> reporter: police have not revealed a motive leaving residents here on edge. now the shooting actually took place. these are administrative offices here behind me. a block and a half or so is the warehouse. officials don't know how many employees were on the campus when this erupted yesterday. when that first wave of officer responded, four officers going into that building trying to locate the shooter he was waiting for them. shot out the window hitting two of the four officers. another wave came on the back end. shot another three officers. it took them 95 minutes to locate him in that building and end this siege. >> what a harrowing scene there.

ron, thank you. also new this morning president trump's declaration of a national emergency over his proposed border wall is sending a series of dominos falling. the move spurred a number of lawsuits and more threats of lawsuits. take a listen. >> we will have a national emergency. we will then be sued. they will sue us in the 9th circuit, and then it shouldn't be there. and we will possibly get a bad ruling. and then we'll get another bad ruling. and then we'll end up in the court. and hopefully we'll get a fair shake. he'll win at the supreme court. i got almost $1.4 billion when i wasn't supposed to get $1. i'm not happy with it. i didn't need to do this. but i rather do it much faster. >> joining me now msnbc legal contributor. thank you for joining us this morning. the president made it clear that he declared this national

emergency for political reasons so how is this going to affect his case in court? >> the very end of that segment that you just played for donald trump clearly shows there's no emergency. boom. there goes that whole idea there's an emergency. there goes the idea that donald trump can actually use the national emergency act to be able to try to, you know, basically divert funds and construct this border wall. phillip, really what's happening now as we know a lawsuit has been filed as late as yesterday night. that lawsuit will be one of dozens if not hundreds of lawsuits that are going to be brought by private landowners who basically under the fifth amendment of the united states constitution, they need to get just compensation for any type of private land that's taken for public use. the concept this will be resolved quickly is completely not reality. it is going to be winding its way through the court system for years to come. donald trump has a rude awakening. we saw yesterday there was this

mild, very subtle concession on donald trump's part that there's going be a lot of litigation and ultimately may end up in front of the supreme court not just on the issue of legitimacy of his declaration of the national emergency but on the actual outcome of each individual lawsuit that will be brought by these private landowners. >> what does happen next and the chances that if it does reach the supreme court, do you think the president will win? >> well fit reaches the supreme court, if it actually makes it that far, then it will be a test to see exactly what happens to people like our newly installed justice brett kavanaugh. which way will he come down. this is long established law. not some new novel concept. the only thing that's unusual about what happened yesterday is the national makt doesn't define what constitutes an emergency and that was intentionally done. the concept was let's make it broad enough so if a president needed to invoke that power he or she could do so and wouldn't

be bound by a particular definition. what's problematic especially in the context of the law when you don't have a definition within a statute or federal law this it opens the door for somebody like donald trump to declare a national emergency and it's up to the court to decide whether it's legitimate or not. donald trump did himself in yesterday he didn't need to do this and could have taken his time doing so. >> prosecutors filing a sentencing memo for paul manafort. they concluded the guide lied calculations to 20 years is accurate. but didn't take a position on that imposed sentence. what does that tell you? at 69 years old, 20 years in prison is essentially a life sentence for him. >> exactly. it is a life sentence with i had age and the fact that the high end of his federal sentencing guidelines is as high as 24 and a half years. paul manafort is never going to leave prison absent coming out in a body bag. that is the reality for somebody

like paul manafort. if you read that sentencing memorandum the government makes it clear. the reason why they don't take a position the reality is the judge in this case who is about to deal with the sentencing of paul manafort, knows man has lied. he's breached cooperation agreements. he has basically lied his way into a federal prison sentence of dozens of wears. so for somebody like paul manafort, does it mean he can't sit there and redeem himself? sure company. he could until provide some measure of cooperation. he's burned himself. he has no credibility and has no value any more. at this point in time he's looking at upwards of 24 and a half years in prison. >> this week a former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe raised tissue of the 25th amendment. let's take a listen. >> a discussion of the 25th amendment was simply rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking

about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort. >> he also mentioned rod rosenstein's concern over the president's intent there. what does that clip we just heard tell us? >> mccabe's spoke person yesterday started to back pedal what was the substantive nature of the conversation that andrew mccabe heard. mccabe's current position is i was there, rod rosenstein brought it up. rod rosenstein always said he brought it up in gist. he said it off-the-cuff. it was in the context of joking around with people that was there. the reason why that's important. if there was a series of conversations on a substantive level where deputy attorney general rod rosenstein was talking about the invocation of the 25th amendment the gathering of cabinet officials to be able to make that happen, sounds like you're on a conspiracy. so for mccabe now i think he saw the furor that was created by

that interview he did on cbs. whoa, time-out. that's not exactly the substantive nature of what we were talking about. what's interesting is andrew mccabe is known for taking meticulous notes. he's known for documents meetings that he's in. if he's not taking notes right then and there then he goes back. 0 i'm curious what his notes say. >> i'm curious what else he has to say when that full interview airs tomorrow. thank you so much. >> thanks. . coming up snapshots from the border. two new looks at what's really happening in some texas border towns. it's both alarming and moving.

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well president trump is declaring a national emergency at the southern border the reality may appear far different. nbc sent a whole team of reporters to various points along the border to see what's really happening and talk to people. nbc's cal perry reports from the border area town in texas. >> reporter: the border between texas and mexico stretches for 1,200 miles from bustling cities to tiny towns over mountains an

along into rio grande. through ranch land and desert scrub, from the heart of the country all the way to the gulf. we drove the entire length of the border starting in the stiff el paso. 40 miles outside of town as the terrain turns to desert the border wall ends, just past the temporary detention facility set up to house thousands of migrant children. the gap lasts until you reach this family ranch. >> what's your message to the president about this section right here? >> countdown and finish the wall. >> reporter: near the small town of candleria, migrants improvice ways to cross the border. this 20-year-old began his journey in guatemala. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: the border between

mexico and the u.s. follows the rio grande southeast. here the landscape takes over. you come here to big ben state park the most rural part of the state and you understand immediately why those ports of entry are used so often. natural barrier here makes it virtually impossible to cross which is why a wall here is impracticalcle. the road takes us north while the border winds along the river through beautiful unpopulated wilderness. we're in central texas on the eastern side of those parks, a return to civilization. so a return of the wall. this is del rio, texas. the wall picks up. it's possible for people to cross here. beyond the border town of eagle pass the wall becomes a small fence and the elements can be hostile. there are no paved roads close to the border in this part of texas between eagle pass and laredo. if you decide to crow here

you're taking your life in your hands. new sections of the wall are being planned in the rio grande valley and could eventually threaten the national butterfly center despite a recent reprieve. >> this is a remnant of native habitat. set aside for conservation. and it's all going to be destroyed. >> what will happen to the natural butterfly center if this wall goes in? >> it will look like a prison yard which not good for eco tourism and we could lose access to 70% of our property that will be south of the border wall. >> reporter: not far away border patrol are out in force around mcallen picking up large groups of people the vast majority are families. agents can actually see what's happening on the mexican side of the river. >> they are right there. >> who are they motioning to in >> they want us to leave.

the ra they have rafts. >> reporter: the final stretch of wall ends near brownsville, texas but the border between the two countries stretches further to the east some 13 miles through marsh land. >> that was cal perry reporting. for a different perspective from the other side of the border, nbc's report is in mexico right across from eagle pass, texas. ♪ >> reporter: eagle pass, texas a quiet unassuming place population 30,000. but the voices of residents here are being drowned out by more than 2100 law enforcement agents. >> a lot of people won't say nothing because they are scared of what will to be done the home. >> reporter: the reason for the extra security lies just across the rio grande river in the mexican city. now forced into an immigrant showdown with its texas twin.

all this law enforcement presence what is the message that it's sending? >> you're not going to be able to cross illegally. you can't cross in any way shape or fashion. >> is its necessary >> at this level, no. >> reporter: we cross the border and this is what we found. the atmosphere here is very tense. you have the mexican federalis, the red cross, all of them surrounding this shelter. 1800 migrants mostly from honduras who arrived via caravan over a week ago now being kept by mexican authorities in what used to be a factory. among them we met this woman. how would you describe this place? [ speaking foreign language ] >> like being in jail. >> reporter: we're told only a

couple of aid groups are allowed inside and so far few migrants are allowed out. that desperation hit a breaking point on wednesday. mexican authorities are getting ready to move almost 200 migrants from the shelter and to be taken to other states in mexico. the only reason these folks are being allowed to do that is because they've secured humanitarian visas. if they don't have humanitarian visas, migrants are not allowed to leave the shelter. once obtained they are escorted in small numbers daily to the u.s. border to file their asylum claim. a process that could take months or longer. leaving thousands of migrants waiting indefinitely. >> what kind of an impact has this had on your child. [ speaking foreign language ] >> reporter: mexican officials

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it is 39 minutes past the hour. a quick programming note. msnbc is live every saturday and sunday at 6:00 eastern. hope can you join us. now to some breaking news. the u.s. doubling down this morning on its efforts to pressure iran. vice president mike pence moments ago again calling on european alice to renege on the iran nuclear deal. >> the time has come for our european partners to stand with us wasn't the iranian people. our allies and friends in the region. the time has come for our european partners to withdraw from the iran nuclear deal. >> joining me now from munich ,

courtney and national security and military reporter and from paris christopher world news editor with the "daily beast" and msnbc contributor. thank you both for joining us. courtney, why aren't european allies getting in line on the iranian nuclear deal? >> you played that sound bite from vice president mike pence here at the munich security conference. before that we heard from germany chancellor angela merkel who defended of staying in the nuclear deal with iran. the adjudicati mike pence criticized european nations for staying in this deal. he's doubling down right now. at this venue which is fuel of european nations that are trying to find some way to salvage this deal. the latest is that they've come up with this special purpose vehicle which is a way they hope

they can figure out a way to do some business with iran without actually being in violation of the sanctions. >> christopher, many experts are panning this week's led u.s. suit minimum in poland as a failure. what are you hearing about that? >> that it was a spectacular failure. that for the reasons courtney is talking about. the yureuropeans are not gettinn board. rudy giuliani gave a speech to a group that used to be dubed a terrorist group and that is a militantly anti-iranian or at least anti-mullah organization that he's been talking to for a long time. a lot of people say it's a cult. that started things badly. the real problem here whether the munich conference or warsaw conference and all the europeans know this is america has no plan b.

american point needs iran to stay in the deal not getting out of the deal because if iran gets out of the deal we head down a slippery slope through iranian nuclear developments that are not happening now as the entire intelligence community in the united states attests. is that what trump want? then what does doe? he frankly doesn't know. so that's the game the administration is playing and the europeans don't want to play that game with him. . it get to some statements made by president trump yesterday. first this one. president obama's posture towards north korea in 2016. let's listen. >> i believe he would have gone to war with north korea. i think he was ready to go to war. in fact, he told me he was so close to starting a big war with north korea. >> well, ben rhodes a former top obama security aide pushed back on twitter. how credible is the president's claim considering obama never followed through on his own red line threat in syria?

>> what president trump is right about is the level of tension between the u.s. and north korea is dramatically down from where it was from when president trump took office. you have to remember that level of tension ratcheted up in 2017 after president trump was inaugurated. in february of 2017 and then throughout the rest of the year culminating with a november 2017 icbm launch in north korea. there was test after test. they tested their first icbm in july then in september. level of tension was at its highest point in recent years in 2017 while president trump was actually in office, not while president obama was. what president trump was correct in saying there, though, of that level is way down. north korea has not tested all throughout 2018. there was no test. there have been these discussions. another summit scheduled for just a couple of weeks from now in vietnam. but despite the fact that they are not testing and despite the fact the aggression is down they are still pursuing their nuclear and missile development programs

in north korea. that has not stopped. >> it all culminated with that little rocket man comment he made not long ago. president trump spoke about being nominated for the nobel peace prize by japanese prime minister abe, listing what he sees as foreign policy accomplishments. let's listen to that. >> if you look at idlib province in syria. i stopped the slaughter of perhaps 3 million people. he had rocket ships and he had missiles flying over japan. and they had alarms going off. you know that. now all of a sudden they feel good. they feel safe. i did that. and was a very tough dialogue at the beginning. fire and fury. total annihilation. my button is bigger than yours and my button works. do you remember that? you don't remember that. people said trump is crazy. >> we remember that. christopher, do you think the president gets enough credit here? >> well, i mean should the

arsonist get credit for putting out the fire? that's what we're talking about here. as courtney pointed out this was a period in which trump was ratcheting up the level of rhetoric and the level of threat and talking about war all the time. then we have a period of relative calm when in fact north korea has established it has a deterrent nuclear force. what have we seen in term of north korea giving up that deterrent nuclear force? nothing. we've seen nothing on that score. so if trump was threatening before because they had nukes, now he's not threatening and they still have nukes. so what has he accomplished? he's lowered his own rhetoric and i don't see that he's accomplished anything else. >> all right. our thanks to our own arson investigator christopher dicky and courtney. thank you for joining us. counting votes in favor of the 25th amendment. what new interview excerpts is

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you do national emergency. and then other people say oh, if you use it for this, what are we using it for? we got to get rid of drugs and gangs and people. it's an invasion. >> president trump trying his n declaration which is facing a flood of legal challenges. joining me now is democratic strategist sarah riggs and justin saffe. good morning. sarah, what you do think? he pointed to past national emergency by past presidents. is that a fair comparison? >> no, it is not, phillip. you have seen bbipartisan suppot in past measures, but he will face opposition from within the party. certainly with the comments from susan collins yesterday and other republicans have given us the indication they are not fully on board. i think the powers in the

article of the constitution are very clear. the power of the purse belongs with congress. unfortunately, the president really hindered his case yesterday in making his announcement by telling the american people he quote really didn't have to do this. i don't think this is in the course of normal business. i expect he will face a lengthy and unsuccessful battle in the courts and courts of public opinion. >> justin, what do you think they make of the national emergency? it is all of the campaign promise. do they see this as a win? >> for the people that elected him and people who wut hput him office, it is no secret. he campaigned on the wall. the people that gave him the victory when he defeated hillary clinton, they are not surprised to see him take every action to

build the wall and what he believes is more border security. you have tens of thousands of people trying to get across the border illegally every month, he is within his right to declare a national emergency. the technical constitutional issue will be about the power of the purse. what power does the president of the united states have to direct funds when that power has been given to congress? that's the constitutional issue. >> speaking of congress and leaders in congress, sarah, i want to ask something about nancy pelosi said about donald trump's decision to declare a national emergency. let's listen to that. >> you want to talk about a national emergency? let's talk about today. the one-year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in america. that's a national emergency. why don't you declare that emergency, mr. president? i wish you would. a democratic president can do that. >> well, sarah, justin just said

he was well within his right to declare a national emergency along the border. >> i think he has. the example that the speaker brought up yesterday is a good one. particularly in light of the one-year anniversary of the parkland shootings. the realization we are having as a country after sandy hook and after las vegas and even after the parkland shootings. in the last year alone, we had thousands of americans who have died as a result of gun violence. what the president is doing here and part of the resistance you are seeing from within his party is he is opening pandora's box. in the future, we may see a democratic president to declare a national emergency for a range of issues. whether that is the gun violence

deaths or climate change or health care. he set the precedent. that is hard to contain once it is opened. >> justin, the house expected to pass a resolution against the national emergency in the coming days. it is going for the senate republicans to take a side. how do you see that playing out? >> i think, look, if you have people of the same party, some republicans, the issue is institutional prerogative. there are some members of congress to jealously defend the power of the purse. appropriate trillions of dollars every year. i won't be surprised if some republicans protect and guard the power of the purse. it is no surprise that democrats would do that. as to the issue of precedent. president obama signed executive orders to overturn u.s. immigration law specifically one time on daca. deferred action on childhood arrivals when he said in 2010 it

is unconstitutional for him to do that. i don't buy into the argument of the precedent set of national emergencies. that power exists. we have seen that power and worse exercised by previous presidents. >> it is a debate that ramges o. sar sarah, i want to ask about amazon bailing on the decision to abandon the deal for the headquarters in new york. alexandria ocasio-cortez spoke out. let's listen to that. >> it shows every day americans have the power to organize and fight for their communities. they can have more say in this country. >> sarah, does this help or hurt democrats? >> you know, look, i think increasingly particularly in the trump era as we see his stance on immigration and as we see a continuing trade war and absolutely unnecessary tariffs that are hurting our agriculture

and industrial industries of the economy, increasingly, i argue the democratic party is the party of pro-business. i'm a business owner. we have grown our company from 120 employees in 2008 to over 3,500 today. the democratic party is the party of business, but with a heart. these are morning cimportant conversations to have. what representative alexandria ocasio-cortez says this is a big party. it has a room for a wide rage of ideological points of view. i think because of that, this is an important conversation. i think you will have democrats who are more to the center on this issue. >> all right. sarah riggs, thank you for your input. justin sayfie, thank you. new word on sarah sanders and why she was interviewed by the special counsel's office. ia' e

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that is all the time we have this hour on msnbc live. i'll make way for "weekends with alex witt." >> good morning. i look forward to see you tomorrow morning. ph phillip, good morning. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." lining up to sue. hours after the president called a national emergency over the border wall, land owners, activists groups and the state of californi