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>> more developments in robert mueller's investigation. we now know sarah huckabee sanders, the white house press secretary sat down with the special counsel. new details surrounding roger stone and wikileaks. plus from i alone can fix it. to i alone can declare it. >> i can do the wall over a longer period of time. i didn't need to do this. but i'd rather do it much faster. what amazon's about-face in new york tells us about divisions in the democratic party and the 2020 campaign comes no focus. >> i think it's incredible. >> it used to be that we would protest wars. now we're protesting jobs? >> well the saturday february 16th, as the president's own favorite walk-on tune says "sometimes you can't always get what you want." >> in december he was offering $1.6 billion. turned that down. now they signed a deal for $1.3 billion. today mexico said blp if it gets

any lower, maybe we will pay for it. >> a contributing op-ed writer for "the new york times" and maria hinajosa, the anchor and executive producer and the head of futuro media group and josh levin national political reporter for nbc news. >> that startling at mission from donald trump. >> i want to do it faster. i could do the wall over a longer period of time. i didn't need to do this. but i'd rather do it much faster. >> house speaker nancy pelosi seizing on that statement said to my colleague peter alexander saying it is the clearest sign that the national emergency is not legitimate and it is quote a faster way to force taxpayers to foot the bill. well her caucus is at work on a resolution to terminate president trump's declaration and already there are multiple lawsuits challenging it. >> look, i expect to be sued, i

shouldn't be sued, very rarely do you get sued when you do a national emergency. >> president trump spoke for almost an hour. mostly off the cuff and took questions from reporters, including this one about the numbers that the president cites that don't jibe with official government figures. >> i'm asking you to clarify where you get your numbers. because most of the dea crime reporting statistics that we see show that drugs are coming across at the ports of entry. that illegal immigration is down and the violence is down. so what do you base your facts on? >> let's go. no, no, you get one. just sit down, sit down. >> we'll start with maria hinajosa. "the new york times" editorial headline reads phony wall, phony emergency. we've been following all the undulations that led up to this. your reaction to what we saw yesterday in the rose garden? >> so actually very upset, but also very strange.

the problem is is that all of us and the news media is kind of like he's coming out to the rose garden, there's going to be declaration of a national emergency. this is a very important thing. we're breaking into programming, watching this. he's going to come out. and then he walks out and doesn't declare a national emergency. for five minutes. >> it was like china, what is going on? for me, the problem is that we and i say we in terms of kind of mainstream media and everybody wants to see this through a lens of this was an address at the rose garden from the president making a national emergency and we want to kind of talk about it in the same way that the state of the union. it's like -- guys, it's not true, it's not happening. again it breaks my heart to have to say these things. because i also worry about the people who are watching this and thinking it's true. right, they're like oh, my god

there is an invasion happening and they are take taping women, their mouths, and we have so much work to say, tranquilo, there is suffering at the border. yes. but if you're at the border, you live there, like i did. it's like life is going on and what bothers you is the helicopters, that's what bothers you, is the con strand drone of the helicopters because they can't find anyone. >> josh i go back to, sleeping with the weird, i go back to the exchange with peter alexander and to maria's point, something like this where the legal groundwork is so tenuous, the president might be overly cautious. his aides might say this is one of those things you need to go with the teleprompter. he didn't do that. >> strange phenomenon. he says things that aren't true, we fact-check him left and

right. and it helps his cause and there are moments where he can't seem to help himself and there's comments that are obviously contrary to his political interests. his advisers i'm sure were telling him. go out there and you need to say this is the only way we need to do this. this is an emergency, this is urgent and we have to do this to protect our country and instead he says, i want to do this faster, i don't have to do this, i can do it other ways. you wonder what leads him to say things that are opposite to his political case, other than the fact that he seems to view himself as pundit in chief and wants everyone to be very rapt with attention to his perspective on the world. and that seems to lead him to say things that are oftentimes hurt his own case. >> the president signs this declaration and heads down to mar-a-lago, in florida, as one does after declaring a national emergency. let's go to scott cohen who is

in southern california near the u.s./mexican border. the president painted in real relief yesterday how bad he says things are on the u.s./mexico border. square for us what you see versus what you heard from the president yesterday, scott. >> where i am here, san ysidro, the largest land border crossing in the world. it's a sense of order, not a sense of crisis by any means. it's a very big, long border. this is certainly not what a lot of people have been talking about, when they talk about the alleged crisis. 5:00 a.m. here and activity is starting to pick up with people coming across from mexico and to go to work. there's a big shopping mall outlet mall here on the u.s. side of the border. as you can see it is fortified upon fortified. it is, no one is going to get over the border here.

except by car. where they have the giant land crossing. just a bit to my right. so yeah, no real big crisis here. but they are prepared for it. if you look at the wall and the fortifications and border protection vehicles. sitting along the border wall to my left. if there is a crisis here. at this crossing, they seem to be ready for it. >> scott cohen down in san ysidro. i'll turn to the issue of what led to all of this. the president has been paying extremely close attention to a group of informal advisers. he listens to on the radio, talks to by phone who appear on tv as well. my colleague kelly o'donnell asked the president about the degree to which they influence his decision-making on the issue. let's listen. >> did you tell us to when degree some of the outside conservative voices help to shape your views on this national emergency? >> i would talk about it sean hannity has been a terrific,

terrific supporter of what i do. not of me. if i change my views, he wouldn't be with me. rush limbaugh, i think he's a great guy. ann coulter, i don't know her. i hardly know her. i haven't spoken to her in way over a year. but the press loves saying ann coulter. probably if i did speak to her, she would be very nice. >> going to summarize what ann coulter said about all this. the promise he made every single day to every single speech. forget the fact that he's digging his own grave the only national emergency is that our president is an idiot. he's disappointed the woman he hasn't spoken to in a year. what about this? the degree that that has usurped any other messaging he's gotten. >> i'll do a hot take of 2019. president trump is a racist. he ran a racist campaign. in his campaign if you remember his first 30-second ad focused on two issues, the wall and the muslim ban. by the way we still have a muslim ban. people forget that, a 5-4

supreme court decision. 2018 mid terms come around. you're sitting on unprecedented growth rate. a booming economy, what's going to be your message? caravan, invasion. right? rapist, criminal, terrorists, you lose 40 seats to democrats in a blue wave tsunami. you think you would learn. all right now you have the government coming around, the shutdown i'm going to double down again on the invasion. rapists, criminals, terrorists, you lose on the government shutdown. so long as government shutdown in history. 35 days, huge disaster for republicans. you come out of it and you're like i know what i'm going to do. i'm going to come out to the rose garden and say national emergency and say invasion six times about the rapists, the criminals, the terrorists, the middle eastern suspects. i use it this example to connect the dots to tell all of us in the media it's okay to say that the president has a racist agenda. he's appealing not to the economic anxiety. we've seen multiple studies that have come out.

there's the racial anxiety of his base. and the move that he just did. which is a self--owned classic trump self-owned is to appeal to the base that wants the wall, that wants the muslim ban and he's rallying them up and he's going to rile them up for the next two years because he has no other cards to play. the tax plan is a huge disaster. he has the two supreme court justices, all he has left is this fear the immigrant. fear the muslim, fear the mexicans. >> you bring up the supreme court. he brought up the supreme court yesterday as well. one of the most fascinating moments in the monologue is when he talked about what he thinks is going to happen next. that he anticipates being sued. what is going to happen in court. he made an effort to say this has been done before. there are been other national emergencies. >> if you take a close look at the national emergencies act. as so many more people have in the past 24 hours than maybe in

the lifetime of the act it's like looking under your bed after a year of not cleaning it and going, oh, god, look at those dust bunnies. it's an accumulation of laws with no clear definition of "emergency." >> that's important to state. >> it's a congress-granted law, because it's a law so congress writes the law that gives the president a lot of opportunity to declare emergencies, and about all sorts of issues ranging from important military issues to giving the coast guard notary public mirpermission. and the possibility of going to a supreme court where executive power is on the rise. so the issue is going to be who if anyone wants to cabinet -- remember congress you mentioned may pass a decision that says we object to this granting of an emergency and yes were, it goes to the senate. if the senate passes it goes to

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new revelations overnight in the russia investigation, white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders confirms she has been questioned by special counsel robert mueller's office. an interview that took place last year. around the same time that white house chief of staff john kelly spoke to robert mueller and his team. as things go from bad to worse for the president's former campaign chair, paul manafort. prosecutors say he could get up to 24 years in prison and are seeking $28 million in fines with those guidelines. that's his case in virginia. in a separate d.c. case, the judge siding with mueller's argument that manafort lied about contacts with a man linked to russian intelligence. saying this is a problematic attempt to shield his russian conspirator from liability. and that's not all. a partial gag order has been placed on the president's confidante roger stone.

it has evidence of communications between roger stone and wikileaks. let me start with you. this has been talked about some time. roger stone maintained there was an intermediary. how significant is this development. >> it's incredibly significant because it tightens the noose around one of the central issues that mueller is investigating. which is the connection between the trump campaign and russia and it's difficult to look at all the evidence we're seeing so far. while we all wait for the mueller report, which we may or may not ever see, speaking indictments, rulings like yesterday's ruling. the situation you described in the manafort case accumulates evidence that makes clear there were close ties. the other thing i want to raise about stone is the gag order. a lot of people wonder how can you possibly gag roger stone and b how is that fair in a country with free speech?

it can be done to protect the demt from speaking against his own interest. any lawyer representing a defendant usually says hey, buddy, stop talking. stone is not the guy you could get through to and the judge i think is trying that. >> this is a narrow gag order, right? >> it is a narrow gag order and we're waiting to see whether stone can be contained in any way from speaking his mind. >> i want to ask you about this meeting that's coming under scrutiny. that took place in the havana room in new york. we can put up a graphic illustration of what that looks like. but you had paul manafort, who is a member of this club, he met with rick gates, the focus of this investigation and constantine kalimnik. talk about what he's getting at there, when this meeting took place in summer of '16. >> andrew wiseman a lawyer for the special counsel saying this goes to the heart of what the special counsel is investigating in the matter with trump and

russia. this meet took place after the nominating convention so we're well into the election. donald trump is the republican nominee. and according to manafort's statements, discussions about ukraine policy had ended at that point. but prosecutors saying that's not the case and that this meeting may have been pivotal not only to discussing between manafort, gates and his associate from europe, constantine kalimnik and also this may have been the meeting where manafort provided to kalimnik internal polling information, giving them a sneak peek insight into what's happening in the campaign. something that you know, that manafort had said did not occur. and according to both the special counsel and now the judge agreeing with him, that was not a truthful statement. >> maria. paul manafort has gotten himself into trouble and a lot more trouble since if you look at

what's happening here in the last 24 hours. he is facing spending the rest of his life in prison. your reaction to what we learned yesterday. >> why would he be breaking the law when he's supposed to be cooperating? why would he be doing that? what i wrote down apart from the drip drip drip -- of you know just kind of people watching this and kind of being waiting for the big moment, the big moment is happening all the time. is he doing this because he's assured of a pardon? and he's like it doesn't really matter. elliott abrams is somebody who was found guilty, pardoned and is now serving in this administration. so probably he's just like well look what happened to eliot abrams, he's back in charge now. he's participating in the iran contra affair, breaking the law, he's back. so my question to lisa is -- can he, is there anything that he is

unpardonable for? >> i don't think that there's -- any constraint on the president to finally decide and there are histories of controversial pardons. i don't think we can pin that all on this president. should he decide to pardon paul manafort or anyone else. we all can remember other presidents in past administrations making last-minute pardons, of highly controversial figures, see bill clinton's pardon. that seems like a motivation for manafort here. >> about this nugget about sarah huckabee sanders, nbc news confirms that this happened. bob mueller's team talked to sean spicer, talked to hope hicks. your sense of that focus, on the narrative that the white house has woven and why that's of particular interest to bob mueller? >> i i don't think it's surprising to anyone following this cookie trail from russia. >> cookie. >> and by the way. >> lisa has made some bomb cookies, this is off the chain.

if you step back for a second and look at the amazing story, paul manafort is the former campaign chair. rick gates is his deputy campaign chair. sarah huckabee sanders is the white house press coms director who is talking to robert mueller. this is not just george papadopoul papadopoulos, this is the inner nexus of donald trump's administration that is talking to robert mueller or robert mueller believes that that conversation can lead to useful information in his ongoing case and hopefully one day we'll figure out what's in his filing. nobody knows anything but robert mueller seems to know everything. the fact that we go to spicer, gates, bannon, and michael cohen. once he heals and hopefully has safety for his life. that goes to show you that this is not a deep-state conspiracy.

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welcome back to "up." former massachusetts governor bill weld is the first republican to announce plans to challenge president trump in the 2020 race. as the president gears up for a possible rebellion in his own party. democratic contenders are crossing the country this weekend. kamla harris is in south carolina where she introduced herself to voters with barbeque. and a packed town hall. >> the american dream, much less american values are under attack. we come home with a problem and

mama, the first thing she would say is what are you going to do about fixing it? and so i'm here to say i decided to run for president. >> president trump keeping a close eye on a crowded field of democratic contenders. according to politico he has three specific candidates on his radar. kamla harris, elizabeth warren and cory booker. political advisers are begun compiling opposition research on them, determining them the most viable. let's start with bill weld, matt welch who is often on this shoer. editor at large of a libertarian magazine. he wrote the speech was a dry policy sandwich jammed between two juicy slabs of trump-bashing. where does bill weld factor into all of this. we've heard of bill krystol's

efforts to get somebody to run against president trump. is bill weld to the guy to do that? >> he's the first official primary candidate. he doesn't seem to be the biggest threat to the president. he is someone that hasn't really been at the center of the national political scene in quite some time. probably doesn't have high name i.d. across the country but you can see that, he could see his entrance into the race, clearing the way for others to get in. there's been a lot of talk about governor larry hogan. very popular governor in a democratic state. some bipartisan appeal. also someone that's not a nationally known figure yet. you could see this creating some space for more prominent republicans to say, it's acceptable to come forward, challenge the president and try to get a different person on the ticket. >> maria, he says he's standing against the hard-hearted clenched fist of nationalism. the republican party has been

digesting what they've wrought here. what do you think of the message that he's delivering on that point? >> the republican party has a huge branding problem and they have to own up to that. because donald trump didn't just appear out of nowhere. a lot of this rhetoric and policies, you know whether it's the muslim ban or you know, not allowing any refugee into the country, this kind of language has been part of the republican party not for a couple of years, but for several years. decades. now with donald trump, i mean if you're a republican who is small government, a little bit libertarian, respecting people's privacy, you know less spending, pulling back, that, that's the message of an old republican party. this republican party has a branding problem. because how do you get bill weld to be like -- well i'm for half of the wall. you know like what do you say? in other words he can't say well we don't want the wall at all.

i'm going to give you an alternative? or we're only going to detain some children? like their message is really complicated and frankly in terms of demographics, hello future of the united states. just in terms of like what the population actually looks like. if you are not getting young people of color, excited and by young i mean 20, 35, what's the future in terms of demographics are not destiny. but if you're not getting those voters, it's going to be a challenge for you. >> and i know this might sound harsh, another hot take. moderate republicans are an endangered species. the only place where you can find them is on cable news or as columnists, right? and i think that's the sanctuary that we have, hey, children, a moderate republican. that's the future of the republican party is donald trump. he's the figure head and trumpism is the ideology of the current and future of the party and bill weld will not be able to win.

i'm old enough to remember that republicans used to believe in they were deficit hawks, against russia, against saudi arabia, for limited government. we have a national emergency right now it take billions of dollars and dump it on a wall spending. we love putin in russia now if you're a republican. we love saudi arabia right now and we have a $22 trillion now deficit. a record like budget-busting deficit because of donald trump. so anyone who comes to oppose donald trump i think will fall. even though there's impulses from the moderate republicans in d.c. and new york to replace this guy -- the base belongs to him. >> lisa i'm going to ask you lastly about conversations with the democratic party, a couple candidates campaigning this weekend. there are those on the outside looking in. including the gentleman from niles, ohio. let's listen to what he had to say yesterday. >> are you running for something more than re-election? >> i have not made a decision on

that. but these issues that we just talked about. deeply concern me. i'm concerned for the country. i'm concerned about our competitiveness as a country. concerned about climate. concerned about health care. i'm worried. and so i'm strongly considering it and i will continue to strongly consider it. >> i don't want to compare apples and oranges here, but the democratic party is thinking through some issues of its own. tim ryan ran against nancy pelosi to be speaker of the house, he lost. what's the status of that conversation in. >> i'm going to offer a warm take. just to tepid. i hope useful. two things about the democrats running it seems to me. one is maybe the most important one is, can they get away from being branded as socialists? so that you know which trump is obviously already complaining about. >> i like the way you've structured that sentence, they are being branded. >> how do you fight against this notion that caring about working families, caring about health

care is somewhat anathema to americans, but specifically to college-educated women in swing states that are going to be key voters. you know, not withstanding your point about younger voters, diverse voters, you have to run the races with an eye toward the voters who are going to come out to vote. if the republicans can start branding democrats as socialists, does that give more moderate democrats a better shot? second question i have is, is anyone going to come out and really hit hard at the president? we're seeing some of it around the margins. warren, is that going to be a useful strategy for democrats to say hey, can you believe this thing? vote for me instead. >> josh when you're in the bureau, sitting at your desk, you kick your feet up on the desk and talk about joe biden and whether or not he might run. what's the latest thinking? what are you hearing from people about that? he's in munich for the munich security conference, he's going to be talking about foreign

policy. he was the chair of the senate foreign relations committee. talk continues, will he do it, will he not do it? what's the thinking at this point? what's the sense that you and others have about where he is in that decision-making process? >> joe biden has delayed making this decision several times already. he was saying he was going to make a decision at the start of the year and now it's moved back and back. and we know he's been meeting with family members, speaking with his long-time cadre of political advisers trying to figure out if this is right for his family. but what sources that are close to biden have said is that his decision will be contingent upon whether he feels there is another viable candidate who can defeat the president, who is in the race. if he feels like there isn't someone else who is up to the task, then he will feel no choice but to take it upon himself. so you look at these very compelling candidates that we've been talking about for the last few minutes and you have to imagine that joe biden is saying you know, can i make the case

that kamla harris, and figuring out if there's a more moderate lane, a pragmatist lane he can get in. as we're talking about the energy in the democratic party, it's on the more progressive side. people reacting to a few years under president trump and one has to wonder whether the fact that joe biden has been much closer to the center on a lot of these issues for decades now could make it hard for him to speak to that moment. >> joe biden scheduled to speak at 9:00 eastern time. we'll bring you the headlines from munich. when we come back, what andrew mccabe is revealing about the early stages of the russia investigation.

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presidency. and who might have done so with the aid of the government of russia. >> welcome back to "up" that's former deputy fbi director andrew mccabe detailing an encounter he with president trump for cbs's "60 minutes." next week he'll add to the ever-expanding library of the trump administration tell-alls. he goes on the record about his decision to launch an counterintelligence and obstruction investigation the day after president trump fired then-fbi director james comey and what it was like to work for a white house where quote every day bring as new low with the president exposing himself as a deliberate liar who wi say whatever he pleases to get whatever he wants. and one review with jeff sessions blamed immigrants for nearly societal problem and uttered racist sentiments with shocking callousness. >> let's start with that

decision he made, which we saw detailed in that piece. throughout that excerpt in the "atlantic" is a sense of worry and concern about the interactions he had with the president. >> concerns so significant that he apparently discussed with rod rosenstein the possibility of invoking the 25th amendment which uses the cabinet to basically remove the president from office. and now that has gotten quite a lot of attention in the lead-up to the publication of this book. even though it's something that had been reported previously zblrks first in september and rod rosenstein pushed back on it. >> now mccabe's folks are saying this was taken out of context. they're not denying that the discussion took place, they're denying how significant it was. how substantial it was, saying it was an extensive discussion, we're sitting here in new york having this conversation and you can parse later i'll say well it wasn't an extensive conversation, it was a very

brief one. the fact is you had top officials in the justice department who discussed this serious enough they thought, that it was a reasonable topic for conversation. i think that is adding to this idea that the folks who are in charge of law and order in the country have been deeply concerned about the president's activities. >> there are soup grapes in here as well. the president has targeted andrew mccabe in speeches and targeted his wife. i'll read an excerpt from the "atlantic." the president brut up the subject of my wife in a phone call he had in a phone call with the president. jill had runned for the state senate in 20 1r5 and the president had said false and malicious things about her during his campaign in order to tarnish the fbi. he said how is your wife when she lost her election, that must have been very tough to lose, to be a loser. andrew mccabe says this is something the president keeps hammering on. the fact that the president says

she's a loser. >> it's understandable if the mccabe wants to set the record straight about his wife. if he wants to disclose some of the appalling conversations he had with the president. he's walking a fine line. he feels pretty reticent about oversharing. he was in to quote hamilton, the room where it happened throughout the hillary investigation, throughout the transfer of power. when trump fired james comey. i don't know how forthcoming he can be. he's very recent alum from -- justice. pursuing action. >> fired just hours before he was supposed to retire. >> that's right. he can only give us a glimpse of a portion of what he saw. it's tantalizing, it's consistent with a lot of the reporting news organizations have done about what went on. i would say it's consistent about some of the warnings we've been hearing from former justice officials who say the president

may be a clear and present danger to our country. that's another brick in the wall of horror and concern about justice officials while the president at the same time tries to ruin the reputation of the fbi and of justice. dismantling their authority right before our eyes. >> another brick in the wall. about the trump administration. what do you make, when you look at what's been written and this in a series of tell-alls, the contrast here of what he said. and james comey. in terms of style difference. what does it tell you looking at it all? >> i was going to say this regarding biden and whether or not he's kind of, leaving it all up to himself -- i was going to say it sounds a little white male privilege-y. and i would say the books sound a little bit white male

privilegy. they can write these books, get lots of money to do this it gets to be a little confusing what is your role? are you protecting? are you revealing? you come out of it clean. for me, i oftentimes referred to jeff sessions as jefferson beauregard sessions and people were like why are you doing that? like barack hussein obama? no, jefferson beauregard sessions who is a racist who is attacking and all the time at the department of justice, immigrants, saying racist you things and beauregard was a general in the confederacy. that's why he's named jefferson beauregard sessions, so i want it on the record that kind of calling out racism when we see it part of what we have to do. it's part of our job. and i'm okay with having called

him and continue to call him jefferson beauregard sessions. >> i think it's stunning, imagine if president obama was president right now and people in the intelligence agencies, the fbi director and the deputy fbi director said that we were so concerned that he might be an asset of russia that we launched a counterintelligence investigation into a sitting president right now. and oh, by the way we need a special counsel to investigate this administration. that would be trending news every day. the fact that this was just news on a friday, and we moved on to the national emergency shows you how low we have sunk. this is stunning that he is saying this, which corresponds with what comey has said, hayden, brennan, everyone across the board. these are hawks, national security veterans, titans, these aren't fringe leftists -- >> institutionalists. they're risking their reputation to go on this network every day and say even though the president is attacking me, for the safety of this nation you have to pay attention to this president and that he might be compromised by a foreign hostile government. >> when we come back here, up

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would impact an already ingested mass transit system. ly newly electled congresswoman opposed the deal. >> a deal that was not putting the community first. i think we can absolutely come together and create an economic plan that invests in new yorkers and higher wages. >> what do you make of how all this played out? it was amazon who decided to do this. >> i just look back at what the cuomo said. if he rethinks this. this is the biggest economic development initiative ever on

it by the city and the stay together. suddenly the side of it, even when you unpack it, the portions of the deal were, you know, long held incentive. they must have just been thunder struck by the abrupt and radical change in new york city politic. it's a rough and tumble state. i think we can agree. a lot of new scape goats that made it radically different to sell than i thcink they preparrd for. >> the incentives. $3 billion. couple it with incentives massachusetts made. is this going to be a

reevaluation? >> i think so. you have to take into consideration not just the mayor. the grassroots politicians. the activists. bring them to the conversation. also, people are learning from, well, amazon is coming. tech has come to my hometown. oh, look, income inequality. can't afford housing. so what's going to happen to our neck of the woods here in queens? we need the jobs. but what type of jobs, right, and is this going to phase out different communities. these are the conversations people are having. the sheen of an amazon or facebook, 5, 10 years ago, people were like, yes, come, savvy us. now people are leak, we've seen it. talk to us. because our interests are at

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welcome back. we start t ts hour with a presidential power grab. after the longest government sh shutdown, president trump averts another one. triggering a new political fe fight. to cobble together more funding for his border wall. he's been trying to gather support for the project.

>> democrats are inviting caravan after caravan, isn't that nice, of illegal aliens to flood into our country and overwhelm your community. if they're bald, you'll have killings and crime. we're talking about drugs, human trafficking, tying up women, pouring into our country. we can have that. >> is he scaring up support? a majority of americans oppose the wall. a majority of his base supports it. congressional republicans pleaded with the president. >> i don't think it's a good idea. >> i would hate to see that. you know, using that act in this instance, it would be a far larger act. >> i hate the idea of an

emergency. i hope he doesn't go that far. >> for the president to evoke his national emergency powers and it would be dubious constitutionality. i don't think that's what the national emergency acts was intended to address. >> president trump saought advie from his informal round of adviserings. >> i'm not concernled. this is the time. that is a necessity. the president, i think i know him well, telegraphed that told. >> the president not only takes

the recommendation, it sounds leak the same script. >> i'll sign as soon as i get into the office and we'll have a national emergency. >> the national emergency would be challenged. >> we well then be sued. >> to the ninth circuit. >> we well possibly get a bad ru ruling, then another bald rud r. >> hopefully we'll get a fair shaky. >> the president is on solid legal ground. >> the supreme court. >> i believe when it gets to the supreme court, he's going to win. >> look, sean hannity has been a tr terrific supporter of what i do. >> the president's friends on fox have cheered on the president. and now they're pushing him into what could be a constitutional

crisis. clint waltz. msnbc security analyst. kim at kinnings. liz wynnsteld, co-creator of "the daily show." and mark, host on sirius xm. great piece in the "new york times." talking about yield being the greatest serener in president trump's presidency. writes, he responded with intertainte entertainment through a fog of words. what do you make of of whewhere are? >> he said "i didn't need to do this." i mean, his own words. this was an emergency. they could have done it in two year, when they controlled both

housingings. they can not point to this as an machine. i agree with those republicans. they should be awhere as soon as they're not in power, the national emergency will be used. climate change. we could use threis right now. so it's a dangerous precedent. what's not been calculated into any of this is where the money's coming from. those guys have lobbiests, congressman. want to see heim pull that mone from military construction. that is going to hit gop districts. >> the junior senator put in a statement yesterday as one of his worse fears, a national

emergency about climate change. how are they going to square this? an erosion of support? >> it's hard for them to support. you saw so many republicans expressing that unease. remember, republicans sueled obama over his use of executive power. the courts ruled with him. so to turn around and back this president using the same action when it come also to board are security and the prospects of democrats saying okay, gun control is a national emergency. we are going to tack this seam playbook and use it when the next democratic pre iic preside the white house. >> let's look at what the

president wanted. $5 billion in money for a word border wall. no cap on immigrant detention beds. this is what the president got. $1.3 billion for a physical barrier. which is zero dollars for a wall. that would cover 55 miles of steel slats. mark, your reaction to that? it was a hell of a shutdown. what does the president have to show? >> nothing. but he can pretend to. his base is so manipulateled by him and sean hannity had to be in everyone. they could have declared a victory. i had listeners who said they're starting to build a wall.

all right, you got it, you got a wall. so he can spin it and say we got' wall. they would all believe it. seems to me really kind of crazy. because when it comes to the military budget, some think that's sachocnyct in republican circles. men like trump who build tall buildings because that's part of their ego. he'll never have a building named after him when he leaves this white house. if he can build a wall, that will be his legacy like trump tower. trump wall. incomnext, senator bob mene is going to john us.

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we will pass a resolution in the house. i anticipate a majority vote. >> welcome back to "up." that was the house judiciary chair responding to president trip's decision to declare a national emergency. nancy people lolosi and chuck s also weighing in, calling it a power grab. joining us, bob menendez. at the munich security conference. no doubt, you've heard there are states pushing back against this. your reaction to it. >> it shows the president's

disregard for the rule of the u.s. it is the korveg r congrecongre right to determine. it is not for the executive branch. so it's a fundamental violation. the president in his pursuit of a campaign promise is willing to violate the rule of law. he will be rebuffed in the courts. >> help us understand what the conversation is like there in muni munich. the vice president spoke this morning. compare that with what we're going to hear from vice president joe biden on the huge focus of the conference, it is transatlantic alliance. >> look, i think the united states needs to lecture less and

lead more. we can get others to join us in common cause. i've had a lot of dialogue with leaders and foreign ministers from different countries. they want our leadership. by the same token, when we beat them over the head with the rhetoric. when we speak about nato, which is the single most security agreement we've had that's brought peace and promise spisp the world, it just sends the wrong message. to the extent we want europeans and others to john us on the various iran activities, the missile program, the single sponsor of state terrorism, we need to engage our allies to

achieve that goal. >> no doubt, saegss aboconversat the late journalist khashoggi as well. this is what the secretary of sta state said. you should be carriful about the facts that are out there. not all of them reflect the american understanding of of what took place. you've been trying to get pompeo to capitol hill to answer questions. what's your reaction to that statement? what's your reaction to where things stand? >> well, i don't know what american understanding the secretary is talking about. as someone who has sat in on all the briefings and materials, both public as well as those cha cha

classified, the understanding i have is saudi arabia and the crown prince were intimately involved. that's why i, as a ranking democrat, invoked the global n manitsky law, which says someone who should be sanctioned, in this case, the crown prince. the administration did not give us a response. that's why we're pressing them both for briefings. pressing them for an actual response to obey law. to deal with saudi arabia and the situation in yemen as well. >> we're moving around quickly. let me ask you about venezuela. and your sense of what's going to happen next. support around maduro has not

eroe ero eroded. the u.s. is supporting the leader in that country. what's the end game for develop venn sway la? >> i think the countries around the world have recognitioned the interim vice president under the constitution of venezuela. so maduro's an illegitimate president. he has no, no -- the world has not recognized that election. so our efforts op s on humanita relief is important. also in their need. and i think we need to send a message. i spoke to president gaido as well as others. we need to send' message to the mel tear that so long as you

don't have blood on your hands, that there is a future for you. if we do that, i thrng we can precipitate the movement of that military leadership away from maduro. and have a peaceful change towards democracy. >> what is the message to or what should we be thinking about the u.s. military? likely to get involved in venezuela, do you think? >> i oppose a military intervention as does president gaido. i spoke to him. they're looking for a peaceful transition. only maduro can make it a violent one at the end of the day. any military actions would undermine the movement of the people through president goaido.

we do not support any military intervention in that regard. now, having said that, i do think sending a message to the venezuelan military, as well as the international community, and those of us who authored the original set of sanctions in 2012 2014, it should be if you have no blood on your hands, to create change in their country, if you recognize the legitimate president, then there's a future for you in venezuela. if we send that message, i think maduro's support in the military will crumble. >> two ecuador yians arrested i florida, in this country illegally.

their family has given a significant amount of money to candidates in this country. the tune of tens of thousands. has gone to your campaign as well. your reaction to the arrest? that news story, if you would. >> well, the reality is the bush administration and then the obama administration found the charges without merit and found the efforts without merit. this is a family that was persecuted by the then president of that country. who took their television -- they were alsojournalists. and took their free media. ultimately took it by state control. ultimately took them. from everything that our government has independently investigated found that they were wrongly pursued. if they had been correctly

purs pursued, there would have been a writ by the administration. so i think it's pretty clear that on a bipartisan basis, there's a view these are trumped up charges. >> senator, thank you. i want to turn to you, just get your rue action to what he had to say. of the u.s.' role in the world. your reaction about that conversation, asserting the u.s.' role in the world. >> i mean it's unfortunate we're in a place where we are talking about divesting from the world. i thinking that with the -- seemingly incomprehensible knowledge of what nato means for

us, about who we are in the world, and to dismiss that and say we want to go out and basically cowboy it out in every way possible. and to look at -- to beg the world to come open board with our crappy poem is with iran for example. to hear pence step down on that. wait, why should our allies who are making good decisions jump on board with our bad decisions? if they don't, what is the next step for us with them? each surprised mexico and canada are not deciding to declare war on us at this point because we are terrible neighbors. >> he says he opposes military action. >> why are we getting involved there to begin with? we're talking about pulling troops out of syria, out of afghanistan, to make then turn and send then to the border with

mexico and inject them into venezuela. this is what happens when you're a country who doesn't know what it bleaches in. men nep dez talked about advancing democracy. there's no idea, like, we're going to go into iraq and advance democracy. we're worried about north according really and iran. the two big issues are russia and china. there is no grand strategy. how can you build alliances with nato well you put your thumb in their eye in one speech and then ask for support with iran? this is an identity crisis for america. the world has left us, moved on in the last two years. they're looking for other suitors. countries are going to russia because they're stable and they

know what russia's about. what is our national security? what do we worry about? we hear a lot about china and then we sell condos to china in the next breath. we don't have a common identity about what we believe in. >> it's scary, too, saying it's not the american ideal. it was hike, i guess we just live in a country now where whatever american you talk to. that can't be the way we govern. >> people don't understand what american security really is. one is our alliances around the world. two, it was trade. three was intel partnerships. >> coming back here in just a

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manafort in a sentence filing, pro prosecutors suggested the fine of $25 million and a sentence of up to 24 years. manafort is currently 69 years old. as we learned from the second filing, he has evidence of communications, between wikileaks and roger stone. something that stood out to me is there was no motivation for manafort's background. in other words, he wasn't motivated by being poor or anything else. judge this is a very serious. this means he could die in prison. the question being asked now is why would he put himself at risk lying the way he did to

experience counsel, the grand jury, the fbi. he probably is looking for or expecting a pardon. i think this is devastating to the white house. this was the campaign chairman. this is a very big deal. they still scream hock her up. they're locking up everybody around trump. i thinking this also -- we're seeing the report i believe in real time. i think in all of the pleadings in court, we're seeing excerpts of the report. we may -- that may ultimately be the report for all of this. even foreign policy, which seems just random and arbitrary. everything is a distraction for what mueller is doing.

you announced an emergency because you don't know what mueller is going to announce. i think we can expect something crazy from the president. >> yes, he may be shopping for a pardon. that's a really long gamble to take. it could also be very well the case he does not because of wha knows about russia or something else. he could be facing a bigger threat. it's hard to explain. after being convict the, he got the opportunity to cooperate and he's still lying to investigators. >> we're learn morgue about his role. quote, in every scheme, manafort was always the principal.

>> yes, i mean, so pure evil seems to be motivating factor. i think the white house might think of refashioning mar-a-lago to be a federal prison. it feels like this person is just dark on the inside. and the motivations are just dark, i need power, i need to control anything, and it doesn't matter what happens. bizarre. >> i think "the washington post" conversati said it was an double barrelled day. the roger stone story. has acknowledged those exchanges but maintains he never had

advance knowledge about those. why is this so pivotal? >> if you're talking about a collusion investigation and they're going through cutouts and intermediaries, you put the linkages on paper. he had the contacts. he was reaching out to wikileaks. what you're seeing is one more piece. these were things we kind of knew about. like why do that? but in each of these, putting down a little more evidence to nail it down. when you look at what the judge did, it must be very cut and dry in those redacted portions.

maybe quibbling, i didn't feel good, whatever. no, something in there indicates to the judge this is a straight-out lie. >> what are you going to be watching for in these coming days? what are you going to pay attention to right? the coming weeks? >> the question is whether or not he's going to be the type of justice department official he once before. you asked whether he'll reverse anything. i think think it's what he deci do with the mueller report. whether or not he will uphold

the law and do what is right. or whether or not he's become so loyal to trump, he'll become another one of these yechoir bo like lindsey graham. couple of times we've seen mcconnell push back. at the end of the day, they all fold. we know they don't want to be primary. you mentioned that greater threat. if there is a greater threat, that might be an incentive for barr to shut this down. >> coming up, the man who launched the fbi investigation into the trump campaign is speaking out.

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well kcome back. one of the president's top targets is in the spotlight. andrew mccabe detailing it in a new book. taking over from james comey only to be fired himself on the eve of his retirement.

recoup recounting days that led up to his firing. >> concerned i was able to put the russian case on so many lid grou solid ground. were i removed, the case could not be closed or vanish in the night without a trace. >> he writes, people don't appreciate how far we've fallen from normal standards of presidential accountability. every day brings a new low with the president saying wav ing whe pleases. all of this prompted the president to tweet once again about mccabe. disgraced fbi acti ining direct andrew mccabe. james comey ig report on mccabe was devastating.

mccabe's wife received big dollars from clinton campaign people. he is a disgrace to our country. the work cut out as we go through layer and layer of conspiracy theories. what does it say that the president is acting in the way he is? >> he clearly gets under his skin like few people can. it's also, look, this book is problematic from what we've seen. to me, aside from all of the parts of the russia investigation. was floored by the comment that president trump discount the u.s. intelligence because he heard over intelligence. valadimir putin. >> thought it was a hoax. >> because putin told him so.

if that happened in a clinton administration, reagan, everything would have stopped. extraordinary. but that's just one extra tidbit in this whole story. i'm sure the president will take to his twitter feed more. >> you read greg miller, reviewed the book, said it's short on specifics you want, but there's new stuff we're learning. with jeff sessions for instance. he said jeff sessions was perpetually racist. >> i can't imagine really being there. listening to those conversations. one the overt racism and focus on immigrants. >> where are the parents from. >> i mean, that's just nuts across the board. essentially younger people, you know, he's going after them for

identity issues. those are the ones that save us by the way from cybersecurity attacks. i had heard just through the grapevine there was an extreme focus on marijuana convictions. we're working on counterintelligence, cyber crime, big sort of investigations. that's look a 1950s approach to law enforcement. what is the justice department going to be like? >> mccabe writes, you can tell he didn't have the pass cold to see it. >> he was a racist. clearly in over his head. he said what he said, the

department was run better, irish. >> they drank but they're reliable. three racist punch also es righ row. >> he was opposed when he was up to be a judge. he ended up winning in the senate. a long history of where jeff session's head has been. >> they were drunks, but they could be trusted. >> i just want to be clear there are some irish people who have nose rings. >> fair enough. the story came out in september. rosenstein pushed back on it. new life here as we got more pushback again from the deputy attorney general and rosenstein. >> it feels like there's just doubling down on things we

already thought. to have people who can verify what's happening there. who is the other source of intelligence? it's putin. people talk about north accordi korea, then meets with a complete despot. the fact that people are still following trump and not understanding there is not a thought in his head and not an ounce of intelligence that will sway him. or if the person who is bringing it to him who he sees himself as aspirational. he finds kim jong-un aspirational. despots who have minions who do his bidding. that's terrifying.

>> 25th amendment is constitutional. calling for a random national mcm emergency is not. >> i can understand saying what are all the optionings. the 25th amendment is one of them. it's like we keep having conversations, i would be more concerned. >> that's what we heard from mccabe. he says at no time did mr. mccabe participate in any extended discussions. all right, how the president turned his own rose garden event into a sing song fair shake while predicting the wall. all.hr the news around here. ♪ sources say liberty mutual customizes your car insurance,

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welcome back to "up," i'm david gura. president trump gave his own account of how things are going to play out in the cords. >> we will have a national emergency and we will then be sued and they will sue us in the

ninth circuit even though it shouldn't be there and possibly get another bad ruling, and another bad ruling and end up in the supreme court and get a fair shake and win in the supreme court like the ban. >> i'll start with you. he's got this figured out. he's prepared the legal path forward. >> he closely mirrored what sean hannity said. as a lawyer, i need to point out, people don't sue in the ninth circuit. the border is in california. the border wall would be in california so california's ag is bringing a suit. it will be held in a district court. if it is appealed, it goes to the ninth circuit. he's painting this conspiracy theory like it's a liberal court system that is working

independently. it is not. yes, it will be challenged. he is banking on the supreme court which has a conservative majority after the appointment of justice kavanaugh. i'm not sure he is a rubber stamp when it comes to separation of power, constitutional issues. i think, honestly, the president doesn't care. this is a political fight, an election is coming up and he needs to keep advocating for the wall. >> folks moved fast on this. i'm going read a couple statements. anthony writing this, this is a power grab that hurts american communities and hallmarks of democracy. we will file a lawsuit next week. gavin newsome saying california will see you in court. then said, essentially the same thing. this is going to come from all

sides. there are a lot of suit that is are going to happen. >> in the practical nature of an emergency, that is a whole lot of process to get your emergency enacted. right? can you imagine, someone is bleeding from their eyes and it's like, well, i'm going to go through this court system, they are going to sue me, it's a thing. no, you have to deal with the emergency. since there is no emergency, the fact that you can go through this process to see whether or not your declaration of emergency is valid, negates the nature of the emergency. >> when you look at this politically, is that the whole game here? he will be able to say, look, i did this. look at the pushback. >> that's exactly it. it actually proves it's not an emergency because, because there is no immediate relief. emergency notes immediate relief. this is going to take forever.

really, the leyrics should have been, i'm going to be a victim, i'm going to be a victim and then i'll win in the supreme court. the actual lyrics are, i'm a criminal and he's under investigation. if he can continue to distract everyone from that and focus on this and how the courts are against him and they won't allow him to build the wall and it's the greatest thing ever, peaches, that's what he can use. the american public won't be fooled. >> where is the action going to be? i mentioned a couple suits happening in california as well. how do you see this? we started off with the difficulties convincing members of his party this is the right thing to do. >> i would love it if capitol hill did anything, but i don't have confidence in them. in some ways, i like this being

pushed to the supreme court because you get a resolution about it. i'm with you. i don't believe everybody in the supreme court gets there and says i have to make this person happy. i want them to tell me what a national emergency is. if they don't figure it out, it will come up time and again. >> this is an opportunity, i'll say that, for congress to take ownership of this thing. national emergency is not defined currently. in the statements you saw yesterday, there were senators and congressmen saying, we need to do that. do you think there's likelihood it will happen? the supreme court could take care of it and the legislatures as well. >> the legislatures could act anytime. it will take a year to get into it and that pushes it before the election. i have given up hope that congress will do anything. we have a divided congress. the house and senate are under

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