read the letter -- >> we'll find out in 50 years who nominated the president, if anybody did. >> happy mother's day. i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside ayman mohyeldin and louis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts right now. >> and they will sue us in the 9th circuit, even though it shouldn't be there and we will possibly get a bad ruling and we'll end up in the supreme court, and maybe we'll get a bad shake. >> i'm going to sign these papers purposely and the ruling will not go in my favor, and i'll call my friend kavanaugh

and i can just plead insanity and my personal hell of playing president will finally be over. >> bless you. so the first one was the president. >> yes. >> and the second one was "saturday night live" poking fun at the president and his whole sing song moment in friday's rose garden event. >> saturday night may have been the best one, it may have been alec baldwin at his best. the reason why is because you actually saw -- a friend told me it reminded him of when tina fey was at her best at sarah palin, when it got to the point where you really didn't know where tina fey stopped and sarah palin began. and that's actually what's

happening now. that sing song cadence, which a lot of people that follow donald trump and report on donald trump, that sing song cadence was very disturbing for a lot of people, but that's something that alec baldwin may have done three or four or five months ago as an exaggerated sort of trump tick. it's now in his actual repertoire. you can go back and say, wait a second, did he said he wanted to execute people for non-violent drug crimes? >> yes, he did, drugs. >> that's when "saturday night live" is at its best, when the parody is is about as bad as the wrong person. >> and now trump is saying that the comedy show should be looked into and face retribution. >> let's not all have a huge

freakout in the white house about anybody possibly discussing once article 25. >> look, the 25th amendment. >> can we have a bell every time she says -- two minutes in to the new week. >> why doesnn't wee have a belln we find out our intel folks are talking about that and they're really scared. >> welcome to morning joe. it's monday, february 18th. we have the author of "unjust," all the kids are raiding it, noah rothman, president of council on foreign relations and author of "a world in disarray" foreign policy expert and cooking guru richard haas, politics editor for "the daily

beast," sam stein, and susan page. >> it was radio silence when mike pence's name interrupted president trump in what he thought would be a sure applause line. meanwhile, ivanka was not the only one not clapping as angela merkel trolled the white house. this is fun. >> one of the most telling lines of the entire weekend was when angela merkel got up and said we can't trust the united states anymore and you actually had leaders from france, germany, the rest of europe mocking the united states and a german expert saying it only two years of donald trump but already the german people actually trust russia and china more than they trust the united states. for the first time since the

war. >> it's depressing. >> it's pretty stunning. what worries me, joe, is it's one thing for people who are 60 or 70 years of age and they've got the last 40, 50 years to look back on and they can put this into a narrow contest and at least hope it's an aberration rather than a trend. but somebody who is 25 years old, who is coming of age, this is now how they see the united states. we're not seen as a partner, we're not seen as an ally. we're not seen as a society or economy they respect. they do look out and say china seems to be working okay or putin at least says what he's going to do and that's what really worries me is even after when trump passes from the scene, whenever that is, that the legacy of trumpism will be corrosive for u.s. relationship around the world. people will say if it can happen once, it can happen again. >> and, noah, you actually have -- this of course happened

throughout the cold war. a lot of people watching the show too young to remember, but there was a time when there were a lot third world countries looking toward the soviet union and the united states, trying to figure out how did they get their own economies kick started? right now for a lot of people, it not a close call. you look at china and you look at the fact that their sights are on 2050, you look at them moving way ahead, whether you're talking about a.i., whether you're talking about infrastructure, whether you're talking about just advanced technology and aerodynamics. you can take that model or you can take donald trump's united states of america and what are we doing right now? we're obsessing over a wall, our government is shut down, there is no planning. marco rubio put together a very important report talking about china in 2050. china's looking at 2050 solutions.

we're looking at 1850 solutions. we want to build walls and we want to pulled coal miners back in the coal mines at a level they were in in 1850. it will never happen. >> so germany has a tendency and you're bringing up history, look a west germany, which has a tendency to straddle east and west. it has not always been a westward looking nation, tries to build those bridges. as far as these comments from german officials suggest they go have better, more reliable friends in beijing and moscow, that strikes me as incredibly short sighted and an attempt to poke the trump administration.

it's prudent for them to hedge their bets, but the notion that they have better friends in beijing or moscow seems to me like a very short-sighted idea. we saw in the 1970s quite a few forward thinking individuals in europe look to the east and say this a model to which we should aspire because look at the stagnation that is crippling the economies. >> we're not in 1978, we're in 2019. there is no doubt china if it continues growing the way it is that china will be the world's largest economy. you look at the fact they can put bullet trains across their country and we can't even build one from l.a. to vsan purdue. all of these area they were

supposed to be dependent on us if we had unfettered free trade. that's turned around completely. i don't know. i'm usually the one that says, hey, everything's going to turn out okay. right now, the west germans were our messed steadfast ally from 1939 through 1989, the west germans were, they were on the front lines and were always there, but, richard, i'm not so sure we can say everything's going to be okay. if you're in germany, if you're in france, if you're in britain, you've got to be saying, okay, if they elect trump, what happens next? >> and people at the munich conference that vice president pence and angela merkel also heard from former vice president biden who gave the more reassuring i'm the america you know and we're going to be back. a lot of this also took place, joe, against the backdrop of fundamental differences in

multi-lateralism, which the europeans deal with passionately and how to deal with iran. this question of china versus the united states and how it's going to play out, which is in some way as bigger story because it will shape a lot of the next few decades, china is making a major bet on government-led innovation. a lot of our innovation is going to be private sector led. it's going to be a very different models. i think both countries will invest heavily in a.i., both companies will face job replace ple replacement by a.i. we don't help our image, though, when we do have things like government shutdowns and we'll talk about it this morning a lot, a faux national crisis.

the -- it predated donald trump and i feel it will continue after he passes from the scene. >> let's first get to the white house preparing to defend president trump's emergency declaration. several republicans have expressed their disagreement and may be forced to vote on it as democrats are reportedly preparing a joint resolution of disapproval to repeal it when congress returns, a move that senior trum of advise ep advise miller says will not stand. >> if they pass a resolution of disapproval, will the president veto that, which would be the first veto of his presidency? >> obviously the president is going to protect his national emergency declaration guaranteed. >> and here is more of steven miller being questioned by fox news's chris wallace.

>> i know that you are a constitutional conservative and you believe the constitution should be interpreted as written, correct? >> yes. >> okay. here's article i, section 9 clause 7 of the constitution as written, "no money shall be drawn from the treasury but in consequence of appropriations made by law." isn't what president trump wants to do a clear violation of what the founders, of what james madison talked about as giving congress the power of the purse? >> no, because congress in 1976 passed a national emergencies act and gave the president the authority to invoke a national emergency for many purposes and among them for military construction funds. if the president was going to use military construction funds to increase a base, nobody would

say anything about it. >> talking about military constructions, do you know how many times military construction has been invoked as an emergency? twice, once by george h.w. bush in the middle of the gulf war and the second time right after 9/11. this is hardly comparable to either of these. >> can you name one foreign threat in the world today outside these country's borders than the threats crossing our southern border? >> the joy of this is i get to ask you questions -- >> the answer is no. >> then answer my question. can you name one case where a president has asked congress for money, congress has refused and the president has then invoked national powers to get the money anyways? just yes or no, sir. >> the current situation --

>> when congress asked for money for military construction, congress said no -- >> the meaning of the statute, chris, is clear on its on terms. if you don't like the statute or members of congress doesn't like the statute, you could have changed it a lot tinge ago. the premise of your question is false. this is part of a national security effort. >>. >> we've declared national emergencies to promote democracy in belarus, in -- >> it didn't take into account money they refused to appropriate it. >> it's in the plain statute. if people don't like that, they can address it. >> if the president gets access to the entire $8 billion he's seeking, how many miles of barrier will he be able to build or how quickly? >> if you look at the authorities we have in terms of drug corridor funds, a well

other in combination -- you're looking at hundreds of miles collectively. >> how soon? >>. >> you're going to couple of hundreds of miles under the appropriation cycle. >> so by the end of this year, hundreds of miles. >> next fiscal year. >> so by september of 2020, right in the middle of the presidential campaign. >> susan page, anybody put in that position would have a very difficult time actually come, but steven miller failed on that as well. chris wallace just couldn't get him to answer the questions. >> but kudos to chris wallace for that kind of persistent

pursuit in challenging steven miller with the facts about the -- particularly the history of use of these declarations of national emergency. you know, this is going to be one more test, i think, for republicans on the hill. we do expect to see a resolution of disapproval, we think it will pass the house, don't need republicans there. up do need a couple of republicans in the senate to cross oaf if that's going to pass. we've had a half dozen republican senators express concern about this on constitutional ground and on other grounds. and will they stand up when it comes to a vote? the history in the past two years is they've been really reluctant tole i think this will be one of thos where he will be

reluctant to stand up to the party. >> there's about $1.6 billion that could come from houses for military families. aren't you concerned that some of these projects that you helped approve are now going to be possibly cut out? >> the president will have to make the decision of where to get the money. say he took money out the pi -- i would say it's more important for these children to have a secure border but right now we have a national emergency on our hands. >> it's beyond. it's a tragedy. >> lindsey graham over the past two months, he's chauffeur his worst traits.

he is constantly on board, he can go from being conservative to a moderate liberal. he's all over the place. he's a john mccain maverick, he says trump during the campaign is mentally unbalanced, says republicans will destroy themselves if they elected donald trump and they deserve to be destroyed. he stands by john mccain and then he stands with a man who mocks and ridicules john mccain and still mocks and ridicules john mccann. i would ask who is this length say in the interstate mullet toss for years now. he just flips and flops and flips and flops. and, sam stein, to declare a national emergency as lindsey graham just did or to say --

we've got a national emergency, when i will say again, what we say every day, donald trump's three arguments are just specious. no national emergency because we have the lowest number of illegal crossings in half a century. in 50 years. since lindsey graham was in grade school, right? >> right. >> drugs, we keep hearing drugs are pouring over the border. as we say and as chris wallace said, 80% to 90% come through legal ports of entry. there is nothing that steven mill and donald trump can do to change those statistics, which comes from their government. and finally, crimes are come from people than from children.

>> joe, did you say a mullet toss in alabama? >> it's hard to keep up. >> well, you have -- >> please, don't explain it and there's a technique, you fold the mullets and you see who can thr throw. >> we should build a wall around that i think. >> okay. >> build a wall around that. but to your point, yeah, there's a lot of misdirection here. obviously we do not have an emergency on the southern border. >> so lying. >> but, secondly, to see trump get up there and say i didn't have to do this right now just undermines the entirety of the emergency argument. of course, that might not have as much legal problems as people

are saying but politically it's a disastrous admission. but i think the bigger story that we're sort of getting at here is just the acquiescence of republicans in congress, himself an institutionalist was the one to announce this deal and notice the appropriations process that we hold so dear, we are going to seed at least a portion of that to the government. they are essentially just taking away their own authorities and for no other reason they're scared the president might hurt them in a primary challenge. this is going to be problematic down the road think, there you declared a nonexsnonexst is cau

huge amount of catastrophe and gun vie and you have no standing to say i can't evoke these charters anymore. >> eddie, you have republicans that are concerned about donald trump and the primary. of course they should the worst loss in terms of lost seats since 1974. the worst popular vote loss in the history of this republic. and i'm just curious, lindsey graham's feeling awful good about that borter wall, a forecast they should use this

money on a phone ool wall, along with he and mitch mcconnell i wonder how general lebs voters in the state of kentucky are going to feel about mitch mcconnell it be mitch mcconnell taking money away from schools in it can for this imaginary wall he could have funded himself when he and paul ryan were in power for two years. >> joe, i think you're right in this regard. i'm not sure what's driving the fear. it probably around being you've interviewed on this so and one of the claims simply about the auto democrat or the figure who

emerges and who comes and undermines norms, it's about the come pleasity of the eless and even those back benchers, supporting trump's old constitutional never what we're seeing here is the imperial prs is he many of us been explaining about the tex pans executive tur what they would do if they had fch and now we're here. what woo have who issin gajd in a constitutional jofr reach in order to pursue that policy and we have elites in congress,

fickly the republican party signing off on it. we are in deep trouble, joe. we'll show you those awkward moments from mike pence and eye pranl when the president was placed between american el -- i don't care, i believe putin. but first here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning, mika. icy in a few areas for a friend give yourself ale will prk we're just about done with the rain around new york city. there and a little bit more

snow, buffalo, syracuse, watertown as we go through the day. let talk about the big weather stories this week. we have a pretty good snowstorm going on in the four corner region today. this will help to of the country. by the tame we get to wednesday, we have a good flood threat here. look at this, we got a chance of a snowstorm. already weather center is saying the chance of 6 to 8. >>es of snow ind.c., even inside the we'll update that in the next 48 hours for you. by friday, more rain here in the south. the big weather that's wednesday. keep that in mind for your travel plans. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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comcast business. beyond fast. i'd like to thank senator lindsey graham for leading this delegation. [ applause ] and today with all of you, a reading from the great champ freedom and the strong national defense who has worked with these members of congress to strengthen america's military i might, i bring bring greetings from president donald trump. >> oh my god. >> oh my god. >> yikes. >> so they clapped for lindsey and then literally he waits, he

rolls it out like this is supposed to be for a -- >> well, you know why? because in the prompt er so wha does this this relationship look like over the next two years, rochester ard haas? >> what it looks like, the european system is consumed with their on problems, brexit takes care of the brits. the grerch government has to deal with people wearing yellow jackets in its street, germany's in a political transition, italy's in a mess. you is europe more parochial than ever. >> so who is a winner of that? are china and russia of winner of that? >> absolutely. i think vladimir putin is the great strategic -- when history is written, he has played a weak hand better than anybody else. he's gotten more with less than anybody. i think the really caution which

scarce me is whether he's not satisfied with what you've accomplished. if you're putin, why would you decide nato respond to the kind of things you've done in ukraine somewhere else. he can't assume this president would necessarily invoke art call 5. >> why should he. >> exactly. >> he's been reluctant, know yrk prn and then you have in vladimir putin a president who invaded georgia when george w. bush was president, crimea when barack obama was president and it looks like he may be lining up to invade another country now that donald trump's president. and as richard said, why not?

nato is torn to shreds. as the "new york times" said, usually dower sergey lavrov -- >> both ukraine and georgia were on a centrum track. they've used troops, radar jamming and smoke grenades to cop tur an individual. if astonia were to invoke art call 35 and that's a terrible prospect because i don't know if putin knows either. and if that were invoked and

nobody responded, then it would collapse. >> in 2008 it was such a time in george w. bush's presidency that there was exhaust yob. there was no way that george w. butch was to again, same with barack obama and crimea. so donald trump, does anybody raelg believe that donald trump would do anything if vladimir putin decided toin vad a nato country? was warned to us by hillary clinton during the debates and during the campaign. she did bring this up as a big concern. susan page, there was a lot going on speaking at the munich security conference on saturday, german chancellor angela merkel said multi-national bodies

cannot simply by smashed up. merkel also hammered trump for calling germany's bmw a threat a threat to u.s. national security. she pointed out the company's largest plant is not in germany but actually in south carolina. and trump's senior adviser and daughter, ivanka trump, showed no reaction to those comments as the crowd around her applauded. it appeared that the translating device was working and she wasn't pleased that. >> and, susan page, it is when you walk down plane street on in south carolina on a friday or saturday night, you hear speaking germans. >> one of the interesting things

we saw in munich was the billians of the person al these members of congress going to the union be condition i you is a tweet that had a photo greeting one another with great friendliness. and i think that is one of the things we see. we see some members of congress stepping up to say we have a different view of this, we're going to stand up in favor of the transatlantic alliance and some of the traditional multi-lateral institutions. maybe that's cold comfort to some of our traditional allies when they see the trump administration having less regard for these institutions, but it is something. >> richard, what impact does that have? what future impact does that

have that ainngela merkel did s, along with lindsey graham and 50 other members of congress coming across and saying, hey, we are with you, we passed a near unanimous resolution of the senate to say we are with you and you are vital to america's national security interest. does that old us over for the next two years? >> it reassure themself. i think that's rereaction, that this is an aberration, that they can just and then can and it's not clear that all the democratic candidates represent a repudiation of trumpism. the american people aren't

necessary hi there the way this you're also beginning to see a greater european debate about taking matters into their own hands, not being as dependentin the united states and particular will to china lengsly saying we have to navigate without such a close atlantic relationship. that's the sense of history now, that the atlantic era of history is essentially consigned to history. we're not quite sure what comes next but something different is coming. >> and, mika, of course that is the worst case scenario. it is remarkable, though, how much you see change when administrations change. remember during the gulf war and gerhard schroeder and chirac,

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now to some other stories making news this morning. investigators will begin to unveil alleged ballot tampering evidence today in north carolina's disputed congressional race. the long anticipated hearing will allow the state's board of election to gauge potential election fraud in the district 9 race which has sparked a partisan battle since the midterms. republicans mark harris holds a 905 vote lead over dan mccready. evidence surfaced that harris's campaign paid collection workers to collect male-il-in ballots f

voters, which is illegal in the county. the board hcan call for a reelection, which it has declined it do twice. >> the supreme court is to hear a case on the sencensus. it is the latest case on executive power to reach the courts and wilbur ross's process was called deeply flawed, scaring the estimated 6.5 million immigrants across the

country from filling out their forms and shifting federal funding and congressional representation from immigrant-heavy states in the process. arguments are scheduled for eight late april and the court is expected to rule by the end of june. >> and disgraced former congressman anthony weiner has been released from federal prison. the 54-year-old once rising star in the democratic party was convicted of having illicit online contact with a 15-year-old girl back in 2017 according to the federal bureau of prison web site, weiner is in the custody of the reentry management office in brooklyn. >> and we'll ask ohio congressman tim ryan what he

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in one of their first conversations, mccabe says mr. trump asked about his wife. >> what was it like when your wife lost her race for state senate? it must have been really tough to lose. and i said, well, it's tough to lose anything, but my wife has refocused her efforts on her career and he then said, ask her what it was like to lose. it must be tough to be a loser. >> what did you think? >> no man wants to hear anyone call his wife a loser. most of all me. my wife is a wonderful, brilliant, dedicated physician who tried to help her community. she is no loser. it was just bullying.

so rather than get into an argument with the president of the united states, said okay, sir, and we hung up and ended the call. >> andrew mccabe on "60 minutes" this sunday. he's going to be joining us on wednesday. we'll have a chance to talk to him about all that and much more. but, susan page, your thoughts on that exchange alone, which i can envision. i've seen situations like that with this president. >> you know, first of all, if my husband is watching, i want him to stand up for me a little more fervently, if this ever comes up in a conversation. it's hard to stand up to a president. we know it's hard to speak back to a president and you kind of saw the tension there with andrew mccabe where i'm sure he wanted to more forcefully respond to say you're bullying me, you're bullying my wife, but one of the things that gives presidents a sense of protection, it reinforces the

bubble is that people are so reluctant to do that. we've seen that in many aspects of this unwinding story. >> north korea also came up in last night's "60 minutes" interview. mccabe said an fbi official told him after a white house briefing. >> the president launched into several unrelated diatribes, one of those was commenting on the recent missile launches by the government of north korea. and essentially the president said he did not believe that the north koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missile in the united states. and he did not believe that because president putin had told him they did not. president putin had told him that the north koreans doesn't actually have those missiles. >> and u.s. intelligence was telling the president what? >> intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was

not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses, to which the president replied, i don't care, i believe putin. >> richard haas, how could anybody not be at this point incredibly suspicious of the trump/putin relationship? what is your reaction to what mccabe said? >> this president has had a toxic relationship with the intelligence community from day one. two, the idea that you would outsource u.s. intelligence to vladimir putin is beyond anyone's imagination or thinking. three, we could have a boring conversation about wa we think north korean abilities are and whether we think they can put war heads on missiles that can

reach the united states is still in question. but that he would lean over putin's words over the intelligence community's words is a real head shaker, mika. >> sam stein, what would be the indications at this point that president trump is not a puppet for vladimir putin. tell me all the ways in which he's made it clear that he's not in his actions. >> that's a rhetorical question, mika. it's very difficult to find those cases. he does things that defy logic, defieeio political strategic sense that are just mind blowing at some points in time. as i watched the interview last night, i remembered paul o'neill book, george w. bush's first treasury secretary, he came out with a book relatively early in the administration, and it was explosive for the revelations that it contained. it was an insider account of

sort of a chaotic administration, one that was being run not but the president but by dick cheney. and i remember being consumed around the controversy from that book. this is much more problematic. the president way in over his head, he seem to be beholden to putin and there are serious allegations that the president obstructed justice. what i can't help but think is trump for al of his faults, he's done one thing really effectively and he's muddied the waters and he's convinced half of the population that andy mccabe can't be trusted. so my fear is something so problematic won't be believed by

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we need wall. wall works. wall makes safe. do not have to be smart to understand that. it's even easier to understand if you're not that smart. i'm going to sign these papers for an emergency, and i'll immediately be sued, and the rule will go not go in my favor, it and will entd up in the supreme court, and i'm call my friend kavanaugh and they'll say it's time to repay the donnie and and i'll say new phone, who dis? >> get your camera phones out! >> that's really good. alec baldwin is really getting that down. >> two slam dunks for alec baldwin. it's pretty crazy. like we said before, mika, it's interesting that like sarah

palin and tina fey, the closer the two characters got to each other, the funnier "saturday night live" was and the scarier the reality was. >> especially that he now thinks "saturday night live" needs to be looked into. happy monday, everybody. we have associate editor of "commentary" magazine noah rothman, professor eddie glaud j jr.ier and nick cko confessore

u author -- >> so how was your weekend? >> you know what happened last week. >> the case of the missing meat ball. take a look at this. >> trying to find his cat. >> come on. >> oh. >> oh my god. oh my god! no! >> that's me in hysterics. >> you're in hysterics. look at that cat. he's like a lion. >> he's going to run for president. >> or at least run for the defense department. >> meat ball was lost. he loves escaping. >> joe likes to bring up random things like this, but this is an amazing cat ash rescue, if you

can believe it. and i do believe my next instagram post will be to join the democratic field of candidates. >> but the cat was gone forever and then dr. dave, america's family doctor, came over and he was like, you know what, think like a cat. >> think like a cat. >> well, we'll get into more details later but not for now. he said something that -- there's something said on there that nobody could figure out. oh, just like your granddaughter. what does that mean? >> does it mean the granddaughter got caught in the grill? >> something like that. >> moving on now. let's talk about the dunking moments there time and again. nick confessore, it really -- i mean, friday's press conference was made for alec baldwin and

"saturday night live," good for snl but sadly for the united states, those two characters are coming closer together by the day. >> first, has meat ball taken a position on the green new deal? before he runs for president, is he pro or con? careful, it's critical. >> meat ball is both and as the only candidate in the race with six toes, he'll be very agile moving from one side to another. >> it's very difficult for snl to keep up with the president on some days. i have seen meandering press conferences of the president, go

from topic to topic. but this was not the example of a press conference of a president who was on message and focused, it was a festivus press conference. he says the very things that will get cited in court briefs against his position every time. >> richard haas, the sing songing -- his sing-song description of how this was going to move through the court system was a little disturbing to say the least. >> disturbing is one word for it. it was also memorable, joe. and it was -- i don't know about you but when i would write for presidents or work with them, thinking out loud in an

unscripted way was sort of an area you tended not to go and that was 15 minutes or longer of a presidential riff and it's something we haven't seen in american politics because we're so used to scripted stuff in preparing for press conferences. this is off broadway theater in ways we haven't seen. >> well, the scripted stuff just doesn't go so well if you're vice president mike pence. later we need to show what happens when you go with the prompter and you wait for the applause and then you mention trump in germany. it doesn't happen anymore. >> we'll show that clip in a second. >> i can't wait to show it. >> that's what you call a deep tease right there. but, noah, we can talk about what donald trump did on friday but, first of all, let's talk about what happens next. how do the republicans respond to this? how do the courts respond to this? but more importantly, thoughtful

conservatives have been worrying about how the future democratic presidents respond to donald trump's use of a national emergency. what is your worst case scenario about what could come out from this emergency declaration? >> the worst case scenario is now. i'm glad we're all having a whole lot of laughs about this sort of thing but it is incredibly dire. this president has invoked the military effect domestic policy. he's using the statute, which is designed to be invoked when congress cannot be consulted to express contempt for congress's verdict on this matter. it is designed to be used in extraordinary situations, to

lele levee tariffs. he's used the powers to reward constituencies and everyone's fondest hope is for congress to stop this. and republicans want the courts to stop this because they don't want to have to check this presidency. the madisonian stewards are -- the problem here is now. >> it is. we've discussed that for a long time, noah. would you recommend that we not play snl clips or -- when you said we're glad we're all laughing about this? >> it's really important for my blood pressure. >> if you'd like us to stop

running snl clips -- >> i apologize to snl. that's their job. my job is to be a nay sayer and have the dower face on. but it is important to have perspective once in a while. >> you remind me a lot of mika. like you, mika wants us to set her hair on fire every day. this is extraordinarily dire. what do future democrats and republicans alike do. this has cracked open a door that congress never intended to be cracked open in 1976 when they passed the emergency declaration act. >> so this emergency declaration and the president's commitment to it, is it too much to say

that this is tapping into racism, making it policy and even defining an emergency? >> i would agree with you, mika. i recently interviewed the former head of i.c.e. under the obama administration to understand what's real and what's not real about an emergency and national security issues. and what she says basically is like, look, the world is not affected, it's just not reasonable. there are so many other ways that we can actually secure our borders. this is one thing. second, historically we have the lowest undocumented immigrants or illegal entry through the united states southern borders, the lowest in recent history. so i don't know what he talks's talking about. there's facts on one side and his talk on the other side. third, he is talking about refugees. he's mixing up everyone. there are people entering the

borders in different ways. there is indeed legal entries into the united states. this is according to the united states constitution and law. and he's grouping all of everyone into one. and so i can't help but think it's racism. but i want to end with the last point, which is every country actually needs low wage laborers for its prosperous economy. in the united states this is what was the upper hand of the united states over europe is that we have actually a lot of low-wage laborers for our economy to thrive. before it was women who provided that. now as women have more equal pay, thanks actually in large parts to your work with know your values and others, now we actually need laborers to enter the country so we can keep the economy growing. so the president is talking one thing on the other hand and the

reality is very different on the other hand and this is nothing about america in my opinion, this is about him only. >> and what makes it more challenging is on friday the president also said that he depends on his on data. not even the government. take a look. >> we have tremendous amounts of drugs flowing into our country. they say it all comes through the port of entries. wrong. that's wrong. it's just a lie. >> there's a lot of reporting out there, there's a lot of crime data out there, there's a lot of homeland security data that shows border crossings at a near record low. >> it's still massive levels -- >> it shows undocumented immigrants committing crimes at lower levels than native born mention. >> you don't really believe that stat. do you believe that is it the? look at our federal prisons. >> so your own government stats are wrong? >> no, no, i use many stats.

>> can you share those with us? >> you have stats that are far worse than once i use. but i use many stats. >> i'm sorry, no, i don't mean to laugh. he just out of his mind there. he just out of his mind! sam stein, you have a president here who is actually calling himself a liar. he's saying statistics from the trump administration are false. he's saying information garnered from his own trump administration cabinet agencies are lies and the he appointed are liars. this is the domestic version of him saying that he believes vladimir putin's intel assessments more than he blo believes his own intel community.

remember we all made fun of kellyanne conway when she talked about alternative facts? well, that's what they specialize in now. >> just watching him up there, your jaw hits the floor. we asked the homeland security for data points to bolster president trump's claims. they just didn't get back to us. there are no data points out there to actually support what he's saying. nip think i think we all know that. but it gets to noah's point, we essentially have a president who is riffing, who is creating policy off of no concrete policy data and we have institutions of government, whether it's the department of homeland security, whether it's congress, ll it the deputy kwieb kwieb and at some

point the system bends and bends and bends, at sam point does it bra break? at some point someone needs to stand up and say, no, this data doesn't exist or, no, you're not allowed to do that. or, no, you're appropriating the congressional power we haven't yet reached that point. when we do, when we really do have a constitutional crisis and it's scary to think what ends up happening at that point. >> they're all lies. >> i know. it's crazy. at some point, we are at that point. er that all lies. let's just repeat it for the

thousandth time. eddie gloud was 3 years old the last time illegal crossings were at this low of a rate. 1971. i got to go back to 1971. i was playing t-ball in mississippi, listening to "i want you back" by the jackson five and, i'm proud of it, i'm proud of it, one bad apple don't spoil the whole bunch girl. i got no problem admitting that on tv. 1971, the diana shore show was on, "all in the family," "mary tyler more", "the waltons," good night, john boy. that's how far back you got to go to find a time -- >> he's not watching.

>> -- to find a time when border crossings were this low. eddie, i'm sorry, donald doesn't like it but 80 to 90% of the drugs according to donald's own government come through those legal points of entry. and people like donald trump, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell, those type of people, they commit crimes and are incarcerated at higher rates, especially people around donald trump commit more crimes, and are incarcerated at higher rates than people crossing the boarder or to say if we know they're lying, if we know they're bending the truth and the stats show that they're lying, this is really about nothing more -- it

ain't a dog whistle, it is a racist p.a. announcement that all of trump supporters in america can listen to, i know the facts aren't on our side, i know we n're not going to win i the courts, but i'm trying to keep brown people or as i said last week, people from latin america, because when i saturday let's make america great again, i'm really saying, donald trump as your president, let's keep america white. he has proven at last is all his presidency is about. >> joe, inthat is a huge soft

ball, about that big. >> knock it 450. i can put it this way. he's lying through his damn teeth and everybody know it is. what's interesting is the machinery of government is moving on the basis of a none lie. that's what's so confusing about this. that there are all these folks that are complicit with the lie. that's the first thing. he's lying through his teeth. the second thing, right, is that noah is right. the constitutional crisis we've been talking about on the horizon with the trump administration is here. the co-equal branches of government are not doing their jobs, trump has engaged in overreach and we have to confront. some of us didn't want to confront it under barack obama, money didn't want to confront it with regard to the bushes or nixon and clintons.

i'm going to be a nerd for a second. it took me back to charles sanders essay "the fixation of believe." this is the method of tenacity. to deny science, all you have to do is tenaciously hold on to what you believe is true. >> i love hearing some the things his supporters say. actually, it's kind of funny. why don't you love america anymore? when richard haas, when all you're doing is taking the side of the trump administration's own statistics, their on facts. this is what we have

domestically but what do we have when it comes to intel and foreign policy? you have all the intel chiefs constantly trying to convince the president of data points. trump denies reality. trump denies data and says he would rather believe an ex-k.g.b. agent than the intel and it's community. what is the long-term impact? we know domestically what's happen hearing and the courts will take care of that but we don't have any court to take care of damage he's causing in the intel communities. have you noticed any lasting damage to be inflicted to this point? is it starting to show itself? >> absolutely, whether you see it in the denial of climate change, even if you didn't like the iran agreement, the truth is the iranians were still comp

complying with it. it creates an enormous gap between reality and what the president of the united states and his lieutenants are saying reality is and that's why you get the kind of reactions the vice president had in munich. essentially the united states can't lead if people lose faith that what we're saying is based upon truth. leadership requires followsher p followership. the reason -- one of the main reasons we're losing followership is the lack of fidelity and seriousness at the core of american foreign policy. >> i hope, mika, that democrats running for president of the united states not only understand it and also republicans who are challenging donald trump not only understand it but state it in every speech.

america is an indispensable player on the international stage. we cannot retreat back behind our borders and hope everything can go okay because we have seen over the past two years what happens when america goes into full retreat. we can't retreat anymore. >> we got a sense what we look look like on the world stage over the weekend. and, ladies and gentlemen, donald trump sends his best. silence. >> it's damaging and it's disturbing. still ahead on "morning joe" some new york officials may not want amazon but our next guest does. we'll talk about that and much more. plus we'll look to play a little more from snl to brighten noah

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well, geez, louise. it must have been a big fraction, right? >> it must have been a big, big fraction. >> only about 2.3% of the total amount he needs. >> 2%, well, that sounds like a lot to me. it's two whole percent. >> i can't drink milk that rich, so -- i explode. >> first of all, i want to apologize to noah rothman. >> if it's not a constitutional crisis, then it's fine. >> so you're going to tell us when we can laugh and when we can't laugh. this sounds very tyrannical to me, dear leader. i wonder if nancy pelosi and chuck schumer are going to be

try, i wonder if they're going to say like donald trump that something must be -- >> he says they need to be looked into. chuck schumer is tweeting saying it was funny except he doesn't use an iphone and, he uses a flip phone. and trump is tweeting like crazy about mccabe, collusion and all this stuff. >> let's go ahead and we're just going to ignore the rambling tweets. he's not doing well this morning. >> they're getting boring. >> saturday night live really disturbs him. he wants to shut them down, like he's like the autocrat in training. >> let's bring in tim ryan from ohio. >> i think he's running for president. >> mika said you're running for

president. i said no, he's not running for president. so let me ask you, are you running for president? >> mika will be the first to know, joe. i have not decided. i'm seriously considering it because of a lot of the things you talked about and all of the stuff with donald trump and the constitutional crisis, which of course is important, we've got a huge economic crisis going on in large parts of the country, people can't keep their head above parwater. we saw it with the government shutdown, people can't miss one pay check and they end up at a food pantry and that's not what we're tucking aboalking about. that's a very important point we're not talking about. >> so they're going around, following democrats all over the

place and there was something very interesting written this morning about the trailer. and i think you'll probably agree to it and i think actually would be a good argument for why candidates like you would want to run for president. it says this from "the washington post," quote, the democratic electorate showing up to meet its candidates is far less ideological and skeptical than the one that lives on social media. some days the gulf between the discussion on twitter and the discussion at campaign events is a mile wide. i'm telling you, if you even suggest on twitter or social media that democrats consider going with what the majority of democrats say they want, which is a moderate movement in the party, my god, you get blown up on twitter. again, the post saying they seem

far less ideological, they want to beat donald trump, right? >> no question. they recognize he's delivering a lot of instability in the country. he's dividing the country. most people know that divided country is a weak country. we can talk about that all day long with regard to our foreign policy and our economic interests. but, yeah, i come home to youngstown, ohio and ak roj, ohio and the conversation is about pension, health care, wages. we talk and are concerned about these broader issues in the constitutional republic that we who and they've been working hard, playing by the rules, doing everything and we saw general motor get rid of almost 2,000 jobs in this community and now the supply chain is closing down. that's the conversations most

americans want to us have. >> speaking of jobs, pensions, wages, i'm wondering would you be terribly offended, would you protest, would you do everyth g everything -- you know where i'm going -- would you do everything in your power to stop amazon from bringing 25,000 new jobs to youngstown, ohio? would that be insulting to you? >> well, you know, everyone has their own economic interest in their local community. i will tell you this, that i will do everything in my power to locate 25,000 jobs in the middle of cleveland, akron, youngs town and give them access to four airports and everything they want to build their

company. do i agree with the tools and economics that have to be given away to these companies? absolutely not. do i think the rich should pay more taxes? yes, i think they should. we need private investment in these communities to bring them back in. globalization generates a lot of wealth. yes, it does. it just doesn't go to every community. 80% goes to california, new york and massachusetts. and 90% go to women and less than 2% go to african-americans. we've got a big and just in northeast, ohio. i'm not going to ask for any

subsidies. eem going to ememploy people -- i'm going to show american corporations how they need to do business in the future, how to be a conscious business that cares about their workers, not just about shareholders but stake holder, the workers, the community and everything else that goes along with it, the supply chain. he could be a transformative corporate figure. we want to give him the opportunity to do that. >> nick confessore of the "new york times" is with us. has a question for you. >> obviously amazon had a chance to do that in new york, say we will come in as google has, as apple has in other states and just balanced in your party, i i'm curious if you think there is a particular singular issue that is not being captured in

the debate in your party and the current field, a an die that is not being pursued down the center left that is important for your voters to hear in the democratic contest. >> how we're going o get, these communities that have been left behind, the government is broke. we need to have that conversation, too. the government is not working for the american people. the department of commerce is outdated, the department of education is outdated. we're flg the government is a limited partner. but we have to talk about winning the future and that means we have to have a strong economy and it's got to be shared growth. we have a lot of innovations happening all over the country.

we have inbut the problem is the ten sewer down south, we're bringing venture capitalists on a bus and actually bringing them to places look and with the lol ink incube and so this broken government problem is affecting our ability to grow the economy. i don't think we're having that conversation right now either. >> all right. congressman tim ryan, make sure i'm the first to know. thank you very much for being on this morning. >> all right, mika. take care. >> take care. >> still ahead, why state department spokeswoman heather nauert took herself out of the

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in fact, i think i can say this. prime minister abe of japan gave me the most beautiful copy of a letter that he sent to the people who give out a thing called the nobel prize. he said i have nominated you or respectfully on behalf of japan, i am asking them to give you the nobel peace prize. i said thank you, many other people feel that way, too. >> that was one of several claims president trump made during his national emergency news conference last week. a japanese newspaper confirmed the president's statement, prime minister shinzo abe nominated president trump for a nobel peace prize but only after the u.s. government asked. the request was informal according to japanese officials familiar with the matter.

abe had been vocal in praising the president's role with regional tensions last year and anyone meeting with the president, including heads of state, can nominate someone for the nobel peace price. it's unclear whether anyone other than abe nominated trump for the prize. this is so embarrassing. >> and the state department revealed the move by spokeswoman heather nauert, the former fox news anchor saying the searing spotlight following her nomination had been difficult for her family. trump picked nauert after the surprising resignation of nikki haley in october. two state department officials

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trying to reach a deal before president trump's march 1st deadline when he has threatened to raise tariffs on $200 billion worth of chinese goods from 10% to 25%. joining us now is author parag khanna, the future is asian." good to have you on. >> why don't you start the questions? >> sure, when you say the future is asian, what are you saying? is this about china? is this about asia more broadly? is this implicitly you are saying things are going their way? >> there are lot of things going their way. let's bear in mind it predates the jump administration, we're talking global structural change the day the soviet union collapsed almost 30 years ago, that's the point in time at which asian commission began to get more integrated with each other. at the time of the financial crisis, asians were already trading more with each other

than the rest of the world. that's what pushed them. that's before the major agreements, the regional comprehensive initiative this year, to trade with each other so there is a major asian story, china is a big part of it. i would say it's 40-to-50% of the asian story. we often focus too much on china alone. >> there is opt missile in your book, there is almost a consensus, what if they don't de-nuclearize? japan says it needs nuclear weapons, india and pakistan go at it, how confident are you that the future really is asian? >> the first those tensions are priced into the system. asian versus gotten this far with the tensions bedevictiming them. you had a border standoff between india and china, trade volumes continue to go up. you had chinese protests trashing toyota cars in beijing,

they offset the losses and the difficulties with importing the occupation with a trade war. north korea has been a persistent lurking danger. you know part of a major system is that these tension and frictions do arise and may get worse. there may even be war. it doesn't invalidate the notion that you could have a violent resolution to a conflict if there is a resolution to it. we will get there one way or another with north korea. we can help with it peacefully, does that derail? i'm talking 40% global gdp, i'm talking 5 billion people. what is happening in north korea is probably more on our radar every single day than asians, because they're busy building this asian story. >> following up for richard's question, you're optimism. certainly, i think most analysts would agree with you, others might say, well, i read this being boofr before in 1989

saying the japanese can say no or they will lap us and turn us into nothing but japan's graniery. they went through the lost decade or two lost decades. why won't that happen this time? >> well the fact that we were wrong then doesn't mean we would be wrong again today to be talking about what is right about asia. right? we were isolating one country, japan, which is not strongest power in asia, which is an insular island nation, which doesn't exert geopolitical influence the way china does, we would be missing the big picture. what i'm talking about is japan and the tiger economies make china what it is today, today japan, south korea and china are the leading investors in the next wave of asian communities, pakistan, asian, 2.5 billion people with younger applications, in some places higher growth rate than china, itself, it's not whether we were right or wrong about china

today, every country has its stresses, but they operate in a way in which they're mutually reenforcing waves of a collective growth right now. so when you are talking about us being wrong about the geopolitical potential in the '80s of a country of 100 million people. right now, i'm talking of a system of 5 billion people and 40 countries. they trade more, they invest more with each other. they're coordinating everything from infrastructure, to also transfers of people in terms of their liberal immigration policy. so i'm an accident am optimist here. it's not whether i have an overly sunny outlook. i'm calming it like i see it over there. >> i want to talk about values. a lot of people are saying as rude as we are about america, we should be dreading asia runs into a democracy, human rights are scary. what are your views on that, what did you find out?

>> i'm flood you brought this up. it brings up a difference between china and asia. a lot of books have been about china with a page or two devoted to everyone else. let me be clear. there are more people living in democracies in asia, whether it's those that benefitted from american post-war occupation and tutelage, like japan or former british colonies, australia, new zealand, india, indonesia, the philippines, there is 2 billion people, that's more than the democracy of china. we say we worry about democracy, human rights, authoritarianism, social credit systems, all those things. let's be clear many billions of people in asia worry about those things in the same way we do. right? they don't look at china and say i want to be like china. they may say it would be nice to have nice infrastructure. we are not going to become police states. let's be clear, as someone that travels in in indonesia, they're

not totally liberal, right? they have ill liberal meters, these are democracies, let's start to appreciate them for the evolutions they are making and not pretend they are all going to become like china. they're no they're going in the opposite direction. i call state capacity. the capacity of a government to do things for its people. to deliver the basic job creation, social spending, healthcare. what you are seeing, into democracies, is 2 billion people and their governments, you are seeing this clear push to do more to deliver for people in a democratic fashion. we should support that. >> the book is futurization, examiners, conflict and culture in the 21st century, parag khanna, thank you very much. we thank you as well, great to see you. still ahead the president raged against his top targets over the weekend, the mueller investigation and saturday fight

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the supreme court and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll win in the supreme court, just like the band. >> so i'm going to sign these papers for emergency and then i'll immediately be sued the ruling will not go in my favor. then i'll ind up in the supreme court and see my buddy kavanaugh and we'll say who phone dis? then the mueller report will be release, accompanied by house of cards and i can plead insanity and do two months in the muzzle factory and my personal hell of playing president will finally be over. >> saturday fignight live playi fun at the president's sing-song moment which trump said the comedy show should face retribution and be looked into. first with the president and

second with saturday night live. >> is puten the one that punishes comics? we have an author of the new book "unjust." all the kids are reading it. noah rothman, "time" imagination, eddie, jr. and author of the book a world in disarray, foreign policy expert and cooking guru politics editor for "the daily beast". >> sam's here. >> sam stein and bureau chief for "usa today," susan page. >> let's get right to the news the white house preparing to defend president trump's emergency declaration. several republican versus expressed their disagreement and may be forced to vote on it as democrats are reportedly preparing a joint resolution of disapproval to repeal it when congress returns, a move that senior trump adviser steven miller says will not stand.

>> if they pass a resolution of disapproval, will the president veto that, which would be the first veto of his presidency? >> i believe the president will protect his national emergency, chris. >> yes, he will veto? >> he will protect hig his national emergency declaration guaranteed. >> i know you are a constitutional conservative. you believe the constitution should be interpret as written, correct? >> yes. >> okay. here's article 1, section 9, clause 7 of the constitution as written. no money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law. isn't what president trump wants to do a clear violation of what the founders of what james madison talked about as giving congress the power of the purse? >> no because congress in 1976 passed a national emergencies act and gave the president the authority as a result of that to

invoke a national emergency in many different circumstances, but among them for military construction fronts. that's the point i was making earlier, if he was going to say we can increase the perimeter around a base if bag ram, in syria, nobody would say anything about it. and we have 4,000 troops on the border right now, as a result of that mix, they need to secure those areas they are patrolling. >> military constructions, do you know how many times military instruction has been invoked as a national emergency, twice in once by george h.w. bush during the middle of a gulf war, and the second time by george w. bush right after 9/11. it's hardly comparable. >> can you name one foreign threat in the world today outside this country's borders that currently kills more americans in the threats crossing the southern border? >> the joy of this is i get to answer the questions. >> the answer is no. >> answer my question, can you

name one case where a president asked money for congress, congress refuse and the president then invoked national powers to get the money anyways. >> the current situation. >> yes or no, so. >> the current situation pertains specifically to the military construction authority. >> congress asked for money for military construction. congress said no and he then -- >> the meaning of the statute, chris, clear on its own terms. if you don't like the statute, or members of congress don't like the statute. >> the aenser is no. >> the premise of your question is false because congress has appropriated money for construction of border barriers consistently. this is a part of a national security -- >> they've never done this under a national emergency -- >> they declare a national emergency to promote democracy in belarus in zimbabwe. >> didn't you take money that congress refused to appropriate. >> they didn't refuse to appropriate. they passed a law specifically saying the president could have this authority. it's in the plain statute. that's a decision that congress made. and the people don't like that, they can address it.

>> if the president gets access to the entire $8 billion he is seeking, how many miles of barrier will he be able to build and how quickly? >> well, if you look at the authorities in terms of drug quarter funds, national emergency funds, in terms of treasury funds as well as primitive funds and other reprograming authorities as they exist in combination with the existing -- >> you are looking at hundreds of miles collectively. >> how soon? >> you will see probably a couple hundred miles in time i would say by the ends of the next appropriations cycle. all together in what we have under way right noud and what we will complete. >> by the end of this year, hundreds of miles? >> next fiscal year one more afternoon this. >> by september 2020, right in the middle of the presidential campaign. >> hmm, susan page, anybody put in that position would have a very difficult time actually coming up with an alternative set of facts that weren't laughable on its face, steven

miller fell on that as well, it seemed that chris wallace just couldn't get him to answer the questions. >> but kudos to chris wallace for that persistent pursuit in challenging stephen miller with the facts about the particularly the history of use of these declarations of national emergency. you know, this is going to be one more task i think for republicans on the hill. we expect to see a congressional approval. you need a couple republicans in the senate to cross over if that's going to pass. we've had a half dozen republican senators express concern about this on constitutional grounds and other grounds, will they stands up when it comes to a vote? because the history of the past two years is they have been reluctant, sometimes have been willing too challenge the president ret torically.

not when it comes up to a vote. i think this will be one more rest of where we stand, where the president stands with officials from his own party. >> well, joe, one member of the senate who will definitely not be standing up to the president is lindsey graham. take a look. >> it's about $3.fbillion of it. >> right. >> that could come from military construction efforts. including construction of a middle school in kentucky, housing for military families, improvements for bases like camp pendleton and hanscomb avenair base, aren't you concerned these will probably be cut out? >> well the president will have to make a decision where to get the money. let's just say for a moment he took money out of the military construction budget. i would say it's better for the middle school kids in kentucky to have a secure border. we'll get them the school they need. right notice we got a national emergency on our hands.

>> it's just beyond. >> it's beyond. i mean, you know, lindsay graham actually -- >> a tragedy. >> over the past two months, he has shown another guy since '94 he's shown his worst traits. he can go from being a conservative's conservative to a mad rot mad rot's liberal. he calls donald trump during the campaign, says that he's mentally unbalanced, he says that republicans will destroy themselves if they elect donald trump and they will deserve to be destroyed. he stands by john mccain. john mccain passes, then he stands with a man that mocks and ridicules john mccain and still mocks and ridicules john mccain. i would ask who is this lindsey graham? unfortunately, it's the same lindsey graham that has been flipping and flopping like a mullet in the inner state mullet

toss for 'bama contest for years now. he flips and flops and flips and flops. sam stein, to declare a national emergency as lindsay graham just did, or to say he's not -- we've got a national emergency when i will say again, what we say every day, donald trump's three arguments are just fucious, no marshall emergency because we have the lowest number of illegal crossings in half a century in 50 years ago since lindsey graham was in grade school. >> right. >> drugs. we keep hearing drugs are pouring over the border as we say and chris wallace say 80-to-90% say they come through legal ports of entry. there is absolutely nothing steven miller and donald trump can do to change those statistics which comes from their government and finally crimes. crimes are committed by a much

higher percentage of people who are native born like steven miller and lindsey graham than from immigrants coming to the united states. uncontrovertible. again, from donald trump's own administration, their statistics. >> yeah, joe, did you say a mullet toss in alabama. i coulden understand that. >> i know. >> well, you have the -- >> you want to clarify that point first. >> you have what's called an interstate mullet toss every year at the florida pbama. there is a technique, you fold the mullets, you see who can throw them the furthest. >> it's not the mum et you wore in high school, sam. >> i got you. we should build the wall around that, i think. to your point, yeah, there is a lot of misdirection here, obviously, we do not have -- >> now by misdirection -- you

mean? >> lying? >> yeah. then the second wave to see trump get up there and say i didn't have to do this right now just undermines the entirety. >> ah -- >> of the argument. >> that might not have as many legal problems as people are saying, politically, it's a disastrous mission. but i think the bigger story that we are sort of getting at here is the acquiesce ens of republicans in congress. mitch mcconnell, who has proclaimed himself to be an institutionalist was the one that announced his deal and the support for an emergency declaration. what congress is essentially doing here, at least republicans in congress are doing here, they're saying the appropriations passes we hold so dear, which gives us so much power as a co-equal government, we are going toy ascede a portion to the government, because they're scared the

president may hurt them in a primary challenge. so this is problematic for the republican party now. it will be problematic down the road i think because the next time a democrat is president, there is a precedent they can look to and say you know what, you declared a non-emergency at the southern border, look, climate change is actually causing a huge amount of problems, gun violence has caused tens of thousands of deaths. we do have national emergencies here, you have no standing to say i can't evoke these charges anymore. >> that will be a problem down the road for republicans. still ahead on "morning joe," we have a lot to get to including a telling moment from overseas, radio silence when mike pence name dropped president trump in what he thought would be an applause line. meanwhile, ivanka was the only one fought clapping as angela merkel trolled the white house. >> maybe her earpiece wasn't heard?

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>> oh. yikes! >> so they clapped for lindsay. and then literally he waits. he rolls it out like this is supposed to be for a -- >> you know why, the prompter says wait for applause, richard haase the applause never comes. >> nobody, deafening silence. >> what does the future of this relationship look like over the next two years, richard haase? >> well, it looks like is essentially first of of all they're consumed with their own problems, brexit takes care of the brits. the french government has to deal with people wearing yellow jackets in the street. germany is in a political transition. italy is in a mess. so you got europe just more parochial than ever consumed by its economic and political problems. >> wso who is the winner of tha? is russia and china the winner of that? >> absolutely, vladimir putin, when history is written, he has gotten. he has played a weak hand, joe,

better than anybody else, he has gotten more than less than anybody. i think the real question that scares seems to me whether he is not satisfied with what is accomplished. if you are vladimir putin why would you assume that nato responds to the challenges you have done in ukraine somewhere else? this can be a chance for once and for all, if he wants to roll the dice a bit to challenge nato. he can't assume that this president would necessarily invoke article 5. he can't assume what the europeans would do. >> exactly. why should he, he's been reluctant, noah rothman to enforce that we are constantly hearing the president and peel around him sneer about certain members of nato and suggest they wouldn't defend against an attack from russia. and have you vladimir putin, a president who invaded georgia when george w. bush was president, crimea when barack

obama was president. it looks like he might be lining up to invade another country as donald trump is president. as hitched said, why not? nato is torn to shreds, so much so, that as the "new york times" said sergei lavrov was even smiling and talking about the deep cracks in the nato alliance? >> yeah, they're very well. this president has made no bones about it. he is contempt schuhtuous what about the alliance, both ukraine and good morning were on an ascension track when they were engaged by russia. rush has included cross-border provocations, using troops, radar jamming and smoke grenades to coupture individuals in estonia. if estonia were to invoke article 5, would the west go to war for talon? i don't know, i really don't know. that's a terrifying prospect. i don't think putin knows either.

if that were to be invoked and nobody responded to an article 5 invocation, then the alliance would collapse. >> his invasion was such a time that george w. bush's presidency that there was exhaustion, there was no way that george w. bush was going to respond in anyway. at least aggressively. then again, same with barack obama in crimea. so donald trump does anybody really believe that donald trump would do anything if vladimir putin decided to invade a that to country? >> well, a lot of what we just talked about was warned to us by hillary clinton during the debates and during the campaign. she did bring this up as a big concern. susan page, there was a lot going on, speaking at the munich security conference on saturday,

german chance lar angela merkel said multi-lateral bodies cannot simply be smashed up around warn that they must not be on nuclear disarmament, syria or trade. merkel hammered trump for calling germany's baw threat to u.s. national security. she pointed out that germany, the largest plant is not in germany but actually in south carolina and trump's senior adviser and daughter ivanka trump showed no reaction to those comments as the crowd around her applauded. it appears that the translating device was working and she wasn't pleased with that. >> well, susan page, it is so pre pros truss, when you walk down main street and greenville, south carolina on a friday or saturday night, i had a mayor tell me, you hear people speaking germany. it is more jobs, more bmw jobs

in south carolina than in bavaria. >> one of the interesting things we sa new munich was the brilliance of the american system because you had all these american members of congress going to the munich conference to present, really, a different side of america's attitude towards the transatlantic alliance. i saw a tweet that had a photo of nancy pelosi and angela merkel greeting one another with great, you know, friendliness. and i think that is one of the things we see. we see some members of congress stepping up to say, we have a different view of this, we're going to stand up in favor of the transatlantic alliance and some of the traditional multi-lateral discussions and maybe that's cold comfort to some of our traditional allies when they see the trump administration having less regard for these institutions. but it is something. coming up on "morning joe," some of the other stories making

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there were a number of things that caused us to believe that we had adequate pred indication or adequate reason and facts to open the investigation, publicly undermining the effort of the investigation. the president had gone to jim comey and specifically asked him to discontinue the investigation of mike flynn, which was a part of our russia case. the president then fired the director. in the firing of the director the president specifically asked rod rosenstein to write a memo justifying the firing and told rod to include russia in the mem memo. >> did you expect to be fire 26 hours before you were able collect your pension? >> i guess i should have because the president spoke about it publicly. he made it quite clear that he wanted me gone before i could

retire. i believe i was fired because i opened a case against the president of the united states. >> that's former acting director andrew mccabe. he also claimed the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein raised the idea of using the 25th amendment from removing the president from office and rosenstein ordered to offer to wear a wire to get evidence against the president. donald trump responded on twitter this morning, quote, wow so many lies by now disgraced acting fbi director andrew mccabe. he was fires for lying. and now his story gets even more deranged, he and rod rosenstein, who was hired by jeff sessions, another beauty, looked like they were planning another illegal act and get caught. andrew mccabe will join us on "morning joe" wednesday morning. with us we have legal analyst mia wiley, danny se valos, noah

rothman, eddie glad and sam stein are back with us as well. danny, lindsey graham says he's going to launch an investigation to see if anything illegal or constitutional took place, if you were his chief legal counsel, what would you tell him he'd be looking for? >> i'd be looking for all the conversations mccabe had with anybody around him the doj is a branch that takes a lot of memos, creates a real detailed history of their investigations. so there's going to be a paper trail. everything that mccabe says is likely to be backed up or not backed up somewhere. and because we know there are looming potential investigations of mccabe, we know that's like will i to eventually come out. one way or the other. >> let me ask you, barbara, are you concerned by what you are hearing in these mccabe interviews, stories surrounding

this, that rosenstein offered to wear a wire to basically take out a president by the 25th amendment who had just been elected a few months earlier? >> well, i think what it tells me is rod rosenstein and andy mccabe were freaked out by what they were seeing from this president. so i'm less concerned about what they were thinking about doing as opposed to why they were so concerned. >> can i stop you there, though? we just had an election, that had gone on for two years, what, 63 million people had voted for donald trump. he had won the elect tractor-trailer college, shouldn't we if not be freaked out be concerned two top justice officials are trying to figure out how to push an elected president out of the white house? >> no i think they were doing their duty. in fact the 25th amendment exists for a reason. they weren't trying to do something that was illegal. they were trying to do something consistent with the language of the constitution.

they discussed all of their options, including this one. when they ran it by the general counsel of the fbi, he thought it was a bridge too far. i think they have a duty when they think the president might be controlled by the nation of russia to try to get to the bottom of it. >> but, mia, wasn't that awfully early in the process to start pointing fingers at vladimir putin and suggesting that russia was controlling donald trump's move? now we have helsinki, obviously, him tearing up notes, doing a lot of things that raise a lot of suspicions. i'm just wondering, though, could they have possibly been jumping the gun there where you have the deputy fbi director saying, hey, i'll wear a wire in trying to take this guy out? >> what he said was a little different. there was a conversation about whether they should and obviously that did not happen, at least from what we know right now. i think what we have to focus on

i think barbara as points are absolutely dead on, is this is not normal. there was nothing normal or usual about anything we saw in the early period of this administration, including the fact that the fbi had already raised concerns prior to the inauguration about whether or not there had been compromise in the campaign from the russians and there was actually a counterintelligence investigation that had been opened. >> that is not normal. and the fact we had a sitting president disagrees publicly with the intelligence committee about whether or not there was even russian interference. so i think the issue here in my view is absolutely whether the public gets a full accounting of the kind of facts and circumstances that thread to something as unusual as what we were hearing from andrew mccabe, therefore, we need all sides of

the story. it's a good architect for why we need as a public in the public interest to get the mueller probe report when it's completed. >> and, by the way, number transparency, danny, people, donald trump talking about an illegal move remind me of when we were talking and and debating the impeachment of bill clinton. people saying it was understand u unconstitutional. it was a constitutional crisis. it was there, it was that. no, actually, it's in the constitution and this is just a part of the process. you may not like the process, but just like, you know, just like the impeachment of a president the 25th amendment, or talking about the 25th amendment, of course the 25th amendment to the constitution of the united states is something that is constitutional. >> impeachment like you say is not a crisis of the constitution. it is a crisis and it involves

the constitution but it's the constitution working as it should. and that's the same situation with the 25th amendment. the fact that it's invoked or discussed may be a political crisis. but again it is exactly what the 25th amy was designed for. it's not easy. it's not a simple thing to inhaveic the 25th amendment. it's not easy to undo a national election. the only election that every american participates in as a country is of the president and to undo that is a weighty thing, indeed. if you look at the text of the 25th amendment, it reflects that notion. it is exceedingly difficult to remove a president or take him out of office based on the 25th amendment. it knows many -- >> it would have never happened the first two years donald trump was in the white house, because you had republicans in the house and the senate that two-thirds of them would have had to vote to go along with the cabinet.

two-thirds of the cabinet. it was just never going to happen. since donald trump's president, we have a lot to get to as it pertains to the law. a federal judge says paul manafort gave false statements to protect a russian conspirator. in court last week the judge ruled manafort lied to investigators on three occasions. noah rothman, it looks like the judge was very angry. it looks like we are going to be seeing the possibility of the sentence handed down on paul manafort that will be a light sentence. talk about that. and talk about where you think that takes this case. >> yeah, when we originally learned about mr. manafort's decision to withhold information and abrogate highs deal with prosecutors, we wanted to understand why he would do this, the circumstances were so severe, what could he be hiding? the fact is he was tied one disreputable people in a

dangerous part of the world. the fact of the matter he could have had a lot more to fear from donald trump and the people of the united states. >> that puts a lot of perspectives in the people around this president in the 2016 election and their ties to disreputable individuals in eastern europe. >> barbara, i'm struck by the exchange in the cbs interview here, just to go back to it for a second. here we have two top officials in the u.s. government life-long republicans and members of the law enforcement service in america and they are obviously concerned about the prospect that russia has helped elect its own intelligent asset as president of the u.s. is there any situation you can think of in your experience in public service that would compare to that and does the gravity of it help explain the steps they were considering talking about or kind of war gaming out for the cabinet?

>> it's incredibly extraordinary. it isn't like anything i've experienced, probably like nothing they've experienced. but what decision-makers do is brain storm possible strategies to mitigate a threat. they saw a potential threat from russia. they've had the fbi director fired after asking him to stand down on this investigation in light of many other facts unknown to the public likely known by them so i think they were as you say war gaming. what are our options here? we don't know what other options they discussed. we have heard they discussed one option of the 23rd amendment, which joe points out is a part of the constitution so i submit they had a duty to discuss all of these options to try to protect the national security of the country. >> miaing mccabe made it clear that mueller has his real time notes and now we have the manafort sentence so what do you think is the next shoe to drop in all of this? what's coming next do you think? >> you know, that's hard to say.

we know because roger stone, who remember is the person who introduced manafort essentially to the campaign and we have now learned actually have communications with wikileaks, i think what we will see is a lot more information coming out by virtue of the fact there's going to be a trial only roger stone. so when we don't learn what facts robert mueller knows, it's because there isn't a trial. when we learn things it's because there is. >> sam, mia brought up roger stone. what do we knee about the latest roger stone developments and tying roger stone directly to wrea wikileaks? >> well, for a while, roger had been saying there was no connection between him and wikileaks. we know now, we good parcels of it that there was back channeling. wreaks of course denied this repeatedly.

so you know over the course of the trial, we may find out some other things. the other thing that roger has been attempting to do is to create some artificial distance between himself and the trump campaign. technically he was not an employee of the campaign, but as everyone who has been in that orbit understands, roger and donald trump talked a lot. he was a formal strategic adviser for years. he worked with trump before entering politics. the distance to them was really artificial. it's not in actuality a real thing. trump has a very aamorpheous campaign to begin with. everyone close to him is finding themselves in serious trouble. the campaign manager is facing serious jail time, roger stone is on trial and donald trump jr.

is in legal jeopardy, there is talk about collusion or legal problems happening in real time. >> so now in the words of rocky and bullwinkle different, here's a story we haven't followed. the alleged racist attack on justi jussie smollett. now police saying they want to talk to him again to clarify the attack. law enforcement sources say he is foot considnot considered a the case. >> first the held lihoo headlin

police want an interview. so that's a good tactic. his defense attorney, if he has one, is likely to not let him go in and volunteer information. if there was a false report, under illinois law, a false report to police would be a class 4 felony. that's up to three years in prison. so smollett and attorneys need to be mindful. >> there's a lot to be concerned about here. one thing we've learned is let's wait and see. the next question becomes tracking the money. if the allegation is he hired

these two men, presumably there's a way to track money and if there's been a payment, that will become evidence. the larger concern is important. we've seen spikes in hate crimes in this country. who have experienced violence because of their race, because of their religion. unfortunately, if this is false, it's going to lend support to those want to ignore a serious problem. >> if this ends up false, that huge spike in hate crimes will be dismissed by too many people as hoaxing hoaxes.

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now we've got author michael bleshlof. senior reporter for the center for public integrity dave lev levinthal. a permanent presidential campaign. explain that. >> now no fewer than 57 campion events. he's effectively doing them in order to run for election. when you add that up and add it

to the golf time, the executive time, that illustrated in some of its reporting, raises the question. it's all of these put together. >> michael, republicans were complaining bill clinton did the same thing. so this isn't something new. donald trump does seem to enjoy only one aspect of his job, holding these campaign rallies. >> really began just a couple weeks from the time he was el t elected in 2016. what president also ds do is ru.

the great president als realize great thing to do is run the country. the other thing is make unpopular decisions. he's mailed de it clear he wasn going to do. i think what's going to happen is if donald trump leaves office, if he's defeated or leave under other circumstances, people will say they want someone who does the open sposi. >> he's had a lot of fund-raisers. how is he spending the money? clinton uses soft money to run ads. how is donald trump using this

early money? is he gaining any advantage? >> the day of his inauguration, he filed paperwork so he could run that money. it's been the strandards. also a lot of legal fees. things you wouldn't associate with a political campaign but pay of course off the legal issues with various investigations. i it set him up to be competitive with any democrat out there. he has his own individual money to put on the table. it does set him up well. no president of the u.s. ever had so much money going into the

second two year als of his firs term. >> the greatest three presidents in u.s. history. ing. >> lincoln/washington may be tied. fdr. >> yes. want to ask you about the three worst. we hear a lot of talk about donald trump obviously. the two that book ended i eed l, buchanan, johnson. >> he did the worst thing a president can do, slavery, he basically ignoried it. the result was four years later,

it was more acute, we went quickly to a civil war. >> just to remember we are in the constitutional cry silisis thought we were on our way to. how will we respond? >> okay, we are in a crisis and perhaps he was right, perhaps we should be serious. we'll do our best tomorrow. tomorrow, we'll see you again. stick around. chris jansing picks up the coverage. >> this morning, we're all about the base. the protests expectled todaed t. democrat also