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get their shot at the oval office. >> here in south carolina and throughout the country our infrastructure is, you know, on average 100 to 150 years old. >> in new hampshire it's so good. i've learned things. i've been moved. i've been inspired. >> iowa is where you can talk to people one-on-one in small places. and full-court press. the president's national emergency declaration now faces lawsuits from half a dozen states. >> we are prepared. we knew something like this might happen, and with our sister state partners we are ready to go. ♪ ♪ and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell back in washington for presidents' day. the current president is attacking deputy attorney general rod rosenstein over revelations that rosen stestein deadly serious about wearing a

wire into the white house after comey's firing. rosenstein was so concerned about the president's motives for firing comby and his connection to russia. >> he said i never get searched when i go into the white house. i could easily wear a recording device. they wouldn't know it was there. >> what did he hope to obtain? >> i can't characterize what rod was thinking or what he was hoping at that moment, but the reason that you would have someone wear a concealed recording device would be to collect evidence. in this case, what was the true nature of the president's motivation in calling for the firing of jim comey? >> the general counsel and the fbied and team said what about this idea? >> i think the general counsel had a heart attack and when he got up off the floor he said that's a bridge too far. we're not there yet. >> president trump tweeting this morning that mccabe and rosenstein, quote, looked like

they were planning an illegal act and using a quote from peter strzok, the 2016 text messages to write this was an illegal and treasonous insurance policy in full action. joining me now nbc justice correspondent pete williams, msnbc contributor sxhchuck rosenberg, former federal prosecutor and nbc political analyst robert costa, national political writer at "the washington post." welcome all. first to you, pete williams, this is a very angry presidential response to rod rosenstein. he may be nearing the end of his tenure, but the mccabe details here that there was a second conversation about it and he talked about the wire with his general counsel. let's put aside right now all of the revelations about the 25th amendment and this is in some ways a more serious indicator, if you will, of rosenstein's reported concerns about the

president and russia right after the comey firing. >> a couple of thoughts about this, andrea. first of all, this is not the first time we heard about this. remember "the new york times" heard about this this fall and then decided not to. what we were told at the time was if he went down to the white house and resigned it would look like he was doing something wrong and secondly, president's tweet, he says they were caught doing this will remember this was mccabe's disclosure and so no one was caught by some third party. the other point is when we first asked about this last fall, we were told we talked to some people in the room and their recollection of this was different than mr. mccabe's. what they say is, yes, rosenstein did it sarcastically, like, what do you want me to do, andy? wear a wire? mccabe thinks it was serious enough to go talk to the fbi general counsel.

the justice department did put a statement out when the excerpts came out last week and here is a relevant portion. they say mr. mccabe's reser tagz of events is factually incorrect. the deputy attorney general never authorized any recording that mr. mccabe references. it doesn't say that he didn't talk about it. he said he didn't authorize it. it was talked about, we have varying accounts about how seriously they were brought up and of course, as they say it didn't happen. one other point just to make clear. wearing a wire is cop talk. what it means is wearing a hidden recording device and this is commonly used when you put somebody in to talk to someone to gather evidence. >> chuck rosenberg, you've worked with all of these people. andrew mccabe, extraordinary interview and shocking on so many levels and we know he's facing possible legal action because of the possibility that

he lied to his fbi agents about an accusation that he leaked to "the wall street journal," something he was authorized to do to correct an inaccurate story, and he leaked something to "the wall street journal" and the problem is he then denied the apparently to the fbi so he's facing legal questions, that said what do you think about the credibility of what he says here. >> so i worked with andy and let me put my bias right out front. i like him and i trust him and i found him credible, and you're right, he may have some conduct to account for down the road and it's serious, but with respect to this conversation, and the one he chose to describe in great detail, it's clear to me that the discussion about wearing a wire, recording the president came up. it wouldn't be first time that two people came away with a conversation with a different impression of what the other was saying. that happens all of the time in human discourse, but did they

discuss it? absolutely. and by the way, in my own experience, andrea, when prosecutors and agents sit down together on any case they always throw out all of the possibilities. we always do that, and you end up rejecting most and implementing some. so the notion that they wouldn't have discussed it seems more unlikely to me than the fact that they would have. >> before we move on, i want to ask you about rod rosenstein, mccabe made it very clear this was a very emotional time for the fbi. rosenstein was put into this maelstrom of the president of the united states telling him to put russia and other things into his justification for the firing of comey and that it was a very emotional time. let me play that sound from the interview. >> rod was concerned by his interactions with the president. he seemed to be very focused on firing the director and saying things like make sure you put russia in your memo. >> he didn't want to put russia

in his memo. >> he did not. he explained to the president that he did not need russia in his memo and the president responded, i understand that. i'm asking you to put russia in the memo anyway. >> it just strikes me that if mccabe is correct and says he dwus a discussed this wire issue with the general counsel and the counsel pushed back and said this is a bridge too far this is not a passing reference or sarcastic reference as suggested by the doj. >> certainly not the way andy heard it, right? andy heard a serious thought from rod rosenstein that maybe we ought to consider this, and if you get that from the deputy attorney general of the united states, of course, you're going to talk to your general counsel. i'm not surprised that the general counsel reacted the way andy described it. it does seem like a bridge too far. operationalizing that seems to me to be quite an aggressive step and that doesn't mean it wasn't appropriate and certainly

wasn't illegal for them to discuss it. in fact, as i said earlier, when agents and prosecutors sit down together we throw out all sorts of things, many of which we never do, but andy heard a serious proposition from the deputy attorney general and took it to its next logical step, let me ask my general counsel. >> one of the other things that mccabe said very clearly is just as james comey and every other fbi agent is trained to do, he made contemporaneous notes of all of this and let's watch what happens when scott pelley asks where those are now. >> you seem to have a clear memory of the conversations with the president? >> i made memorandums so i made sure they that i remember. >> that's what they do. >> that's what we are trained to do. >> where are those memos today? >> those memos are in the custody of the special counsel's team. >> robert mueller's team. >> that's correct. >> has your memos.

>> he does. >> cynthia, what is the significance of that, do you think? >> well, it means that as he's questioning witnesses which he's obviously doing he has the memos to refresh his and other witnesses' recollection. he would also have talked to his general counsel because that's an important -- it's an important link to try to find out exactly what happened in this conversation. what exactly did mccabe say and did he take seriously what happened there and i'm sure that lawyer has memos, as well. the other most interesting memo thing that came up in this interview was that the president was pressuring rosenstein to put in the memo that the reason for the firing was russia which was a new piece of information and it's interesting because it does confirm what the president's motivation was in the firing of comey which essentially is obstruction of justice, and that's why it's fascinating that

rosenstein maintained the supervision of this obstruction of justice investigation assuming that's what it is, and we think it is because he is a fact witness in the case, and so is mccabe. it's all very complicated and convoluted, and it is -- we'll just see how it works out, but it's a problem in the case. >> and it actually comports in the '60 minutes" program it showed because it comports contemporaneously with what the president told lester holt that it was because of russia the firing of comey. >> right. right. >> which again leads to the fact that they did have an open investigation into the obstruction. we don't know where they come down on that. robert, the president's really angry today. he's tweeting about this and other things come out in this interview, i just wanted to play one other piece of it where he talks about fighting with

vladimir putin on intelligence regarding whether or not north korea had long-range nuclear -- potentially nuclear arms missiles that could reach the u.s. or u.s. territory and saying that he didn't believe it because he believes putin over our own intelligence agencies, but the first time the president said that about putin, but let's listen to this part. >> essentially the president said he did not believe that the north koreans had the capability to hit us here with ballistic missiles in the united states, and he did not believe that because president putin had told him they did not. president putin had told him that the north koreans don't actually have those missiles. >> and u.s. intelligence was telling the president what? >> intelligence officials in the briefing responded that that was not consistent with any of the intelligence our government possesses to which the president replied i don't care. i believe putin. >> robert costa, the president's

tweets very angry not just against mccabe who is gone and you have a new attorney general and he was about to be out the door. do we expect precipitous action from the white house against rod rosenstein? rosenstein? >> from the white house perhaps

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presidents' day may demonstrate that it's become hook, line and sinker the party of donald trump and that's scary >> do you worry that it could go up to the supreme court and he has a clear majority with justice kavanaugh. >> here's the difficulty i don't think donald trump cares if it does go all the way because i don't believe donald trump cares if he wins or loses in court on getting this emergency declaration -- >> why what do you think he's doing if his plan is not to win >> it's just theater he's using the power of the presidency to essentially perform to his shrinking base because he made a campaign promise and he wants to demonstrate that this is a guy who keeps his promises he wouldn't be so blatantly violating the law and you can hear all his own people whether it's in homeland security or otherwise explain that the president doesn't have the power to do this, and even his best, brainy adviser mr. miller couldn't explain how you justify raiding pots of money that

congress has legally allocated >> california attorney general xavier becerra good to see you again, sir. >> thank you, andrea. coming up, world stage still weighing a 2020 run. joe biden slams president trump in a speech to the european community hosted by germany. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. reports" only on msnbc staying at hampton for a work trip. oh no. your new boss seems cool, but she might not be sweatpants cool. not quite ready to face the day? that's why we're here with free hot breakfast. book at hampton.com for our price match guarantee. hampton by hilton. a cfp professional is trained, knowledgeable, and committed to financial planning in your best interest. find your certified financial planner™ professional at letsmakeaplan.org.

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the america i see values basic human decency, not snatching children from their parents or turning our back on refugees at our border. americans know that's not right. the american people understand pleas because it makes it embarrassing. american people know overwhelmingly that that's not right, that's not who we are. i promise you -- i promise you as my mother would say. this too shall pass. we will be back. >> channeling clint eastwood, joe biden -- no, not clint eastwood, arnold schwarzenegger, joe biden telling the munich security conference he has plenty of time to decide if he'll run in 2020 in a session

after that one. he got big applause for the takedown of the trump foreign policy this as former president obama is quietly advising 2020 hopefuls and let's get the inside scoop from msnbc contributor charlie sikes, susan paige, washington bureau chief and ruth markus, washington post editorial columnist. welcome all. let's talk about joe biden, susan paige, we've all covered joe biden a long time. i believe he's leaning towards running, but he is, shall we say, not the old person in the room. he's the grown-up in the room. he's the foreign policy expert, he and john mccain used to be the co-leaders for many, many years in munich for decades as the former chairman of the foreign relations committee and that he's the person who can speak to the rest of the world.

>> and that's true. no question joe biden wants to be president. there's really no question he wants to be run to be president. the question is whether he will and there are some reasons why he might not, but there are a lot of reasons including the very first thing to want to be president to encourage him to jump into the race and he is the candidate by far the deepest foreign policy experience of this entire field of the 15 or 20 potential democratic contenders. >> and with president obama's role behind the scenes, clearly interested and he won't jump in right now, amy klobuchar with rachel maddow was asked about potential endorsements. let's watch. >> you mentioned you were teasing president obama the other day. have you spoken with president obama about your plans to run? >> yes, i have as have i think a number of candidates. i can't think of a better person to get advice from, and he seems, by the way, in a very good mood and working on his book and so proud of what

michelle's been doing. >> did he tell you you should run? >> i'm not going to say. >> he gave me very good advice. >> so clearly, several of these candidates have actually met with people very close to president obama. some of the former ambassadors who worked in that administration to at least start presenting their credentials. >> sure, and everybody should be talking or seriously considering a presidential run should be speaking to the previous democratic president. i think he's doing a smart thing by staying out this time, by withholding endorsement. he kind of leaned in four years ago and that helped the then vice president joe biden decide not to run. he was leaning in for hillary clinton, better for him to just be the elder statesman this time around and not put a finger on the scale for anybody. >> and charlie, wisconsin, where hillary clinton did not campaign

amy klobuchar making the midwest, the importance of the midwest and wisconsin was there this weekend. she's talking about, you know, being the person who represents midwest battleground states and the fact that, you know, the home state of minnesota that she won even michele bachmann's district. >> right. and i think the democrats need to be constantly thinking of pennsylvania, ohio, michigan, wisconsin and minnesota. who could win in a general election there? and i really don't think this will be the year for a 70-something white male candidate with the possible exception of joe biden who i think might have that kind of appeal in terms of electability there, but there's no question about it that this election is going to be decided in the electoral college and the upper midwest. >> and the klobuchar campaign focusing on exactly that area.

she hasn't gotten the publicity that kamala harris has, but she had a good rollout, susan paige. >> she had a good rollout and stunningly doing your rollout in the blizzard turned out to be a big plus because that's the image we carry around and she's being gritty with all of the snow piled on her head. back to the previous point about obama. one thing that's interesting and not talking to the other previous democratic presidents, carter and clinton, and people are not talking to hillary clinton or john kerry who won the nomination before, and obama's endorsement, of course, would be the most powerful one, and i think with this field it is wide open and up to the candidates to make their own case. i don't think an endorsement from anybody will matter. this is a new democratic party and this is a new field and fresh face and amy klobuchar and others around them, and it's a different time than when you would endorse them to make a big difference. >> there have been so many of

these candidates and cory booker and gillibrand and kamala harris who have had interesting things to say, you know, elizabeth warren and we think bernie sanders might be getting into it this week. this field could narrow -- could not narrow as quickly as in the past and especially with california moved up. >> well, it's going to be a crowded pool, but the question is how long can you -- will you be able to afford to stay in the pool? you mentioned california. california is way earlier this year. we begin to get mail ballots in california as iowa caucuses get under way and it takes a lot of money to run in california and there is a senator from california who is running and so that could crowd some of that, and that could get them the analogy and it could get them to dry off pretty quickly. >> and the other thing, charlie

sikes is that joe biden said this weekend he doesn't have to make a decision quickly. he can raise money even if he gets in later. >> right. he can raise the money and obviously, he has the name recognition, the highest name recognition than any of the other candidates. by the way, i agree with the limited value of endorsements, but president obama's endorsement would be crucial to biden particularly in a year in which you have such a diverse field, and i think that biden would be the most valuable, i think, for biden in order to put the seal of approval on him if, in fact, he proves that he's viable going ahead. >> conversely, if president obama does not endorse his eight-year vice president that would be potentially a fatal blow to a biden candace. >> oh, absolutely. no question about it. >> sorry. thank you all so much. coming up, sounds of silence. what happened when vice president mike pence tried to bring greetings from the

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i bring greetings from the 45th president of the united states of america president donald trump. >> talk about an awkward

silence. no applause. mike pence's message from the president falling flat in munich at the security conference saturday. president trump has split with america's closest allies on everything from the missile treaty to climate change and especially iran. i asked speaker of the house nancy pelosi who led a large congressional delegation there trying to signal u.s. support for europe despite the trump policies. >> the vice president is an articulate spokesperson for his point of view, which is on the subject of iran is completely wrong and did not get much. >> is the trump policy creating -- between us and the closest allies. >> hopefully not. i do think that before pulling out of syria and pulling out of the nuclear treaty that he would consult with our allies out of

respect for their point of view. >> joining me now david ignacious foreign affairs columnist for "the washington post" and msnbc contributor. >> nancy pelosi does not stop to talk and she expressed a view that was expressed by the republican senators, as well. >> it seemed to me that nancy pelosi and vice president biden wanted to reassure the europeans that biden will be back. that this isn't the end of our alliance, but i will say those words didn't really seem to stick. i think sometimes about what dean atchison wrote in his memoirs about the beginning of the order with europe present in the creation and andrea, i have a feeling last weekend in munich you were present at the destruction and present at the moment that it is clear that this has come undone.

>> i was overwhelmed with that, forboding, really, and it was the trump policies on so many different issues, it was bizarre to see iran being embraced by europe and to hear from the munich conference, the opening welcoming statement saying who would have thought was the phrase, who would have thought that the chairman of his conference and a former ambassador to the u.s., who would have thought that the president of the united states would be seen as undermining global security and not vladimir putin? >> i think you have to look at what vice president pence was demanding of europe in that speech that was met, as you said with a deafening silence when he brought a greeting from president trump. pence was saying the time has come for you to walk away from the nuclear agreement that you worked so hard to negotiate with iran, europeans don't believe that's in their security

interest. they don't believe it's in america's security interest, but that's not their problem and the idea that the president would demand that has upset people. >> on the subject of iran which wye now understand to be the case is iran is retaliating against u.s. businesses and government agencies by escalating its hacking, its cyber attacks and china also attacking u.s. businesses and government agencies on cyber in response to the trump trade war so that we are now paying a very heavy price, businesses and the government. >> you know, andrea, u.s. officials often say this is a one-way street that they can turn up the pressure on iran and they can walk away from agreements and they can sanction the iranian economy in a way they threaten to crush the iranian business without retaliation and the same thing with china. there's this idea that we'll put it to china and people forget that these countries

increasingly have cyber war tools that they can use, not so much against our government, but against our businesses and they're powerful and hard to stop and in a sense, all this is telling us is this is a two-way street now. they don't punch without the danger of getting punched back. >> and andrew mccabe also spoke to a critical foreign policy issue when he talked about how one of the other fbi officials was telling him the president in the meeting in those early months in 2017 was quoting vladimir putin again against the advice of the intelligence agencies on north korea. let's watch. sorry. i don't think we have that clip from mccabe, but the fact is -- >> i was looking for it. >> i was, too. but he basically told "60 minutes" is that the president of the united states did not believe the warnings from u.s. intelligence that north korea was developing long-range missiles that could be nuclear

equipped that could reach the u.s. -- >> putin told me this isn't a problem, the president is supposed to have said according to mccabe. this is one more instance in which, i think, the proper response from americans from our elected members of congress is to demand that they see transcripts or some reconstruction of what president trump has discussed in private with putin. the series of discussions. this is apart from the mueller investigation. this is the substance of the conversation between our two countries and it is true that president trump is ignoring u.s. intelligence recommendations about the state of north korea's nuclear program because his friend, vladimir putin told us something is different and we need to know that. >> that is going into the second round of the nuclear summit. we have a quote also from something you wrote last week. you wrote that president trump

has been insisting for so long that any investigation of his personal finances would cross a red line that people may have overlooked the outrageousness of his claim, but his self-declared immunity is about to change. the mueller probe overhanging everything he does as he heads into the summit. >> it's not just the mueller probe as prdz saesident trump s elections has consequences and they the house has subpoena power and the red line that president trump asserted should protect any investigation of his personal finances, personal financial dealings with rush a as i wrote in this piece, that red line is turning blue meaning that there are new folks in charge who have the power to pursue this. one thing that i note in this piece, and i'll just mention it briefly, i called deutsche bank, the bank that is probably the largest lender to donald trump and made enormous 360 million

was the washington post estimate and loaned 280 million to jared kushner and asked have you received inquiries from the house intelligence committee from congressman adam schiff. yes, yes, we have. what do you intend to do about that? we intend to coop rerate fully with any new legal requests and we are in a new era. >> they were raided a few months ago, deutsche bank headquarters in germany. congratulations. you finished your new book. the 11th? the 11th book from david ignacious. amazing. coming up, on the trail. it's a busy presidents' day for the presidential hopefuls. we'll check in with our road warriors. stay with us. with our road warriors stay with us

democratic hopefuls are taking advantage of this holiday weekend to meet the voters. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard who is in iowa city, iowa, and nbc's ali vitale i in nashua, new hampshire. vaughn, first to you. >> reporter: yeah, andrea, we caught up yesterday with amy klobuchar who made her inaugural appearance as a presidential candidate in iowa.

we'll be with keir still gillibrand, eric swalwell, john delaney in parts of iowa. i want to play part of our interview with the minnesota candidate. every single one of these stops has been how do we win back iowa in the general election. donald trump won iowa in 2016 by 10 percentage points. i asked amy klobuchar that question. if you look at iowa, two republican senators, they voted for donald trump. they just voted in a republican governor. what is it republicans are doing democrats did not? >> we had two women running. part of it is this rollover and divide. you want someone running nationally who will focus on the rural issues which i did in minnesota, we're the 5th biggest ag state in the country. someone who can cross that line and bring people together. >> reporter: andrea, i've been on the grounds here in iowa the last three weeks hearing from

the candidates. it's interesting what emotions these candidates are trying to extract out of the voters. elizabeth warren is focused on the frustrations of the people whether it be corporate lobbyists or big oil companies or the big banks. you have cory booker who i noahly is going to be able to back this one up. he folk uses on defiant love. amy klobuchar says i'm your neighbor in minnesota. that's what she's trying to playing off of, an degree a. >> thanks, vaughn. ali in nashua, you had cory booker up there. let's talk about that. >> reporter: yeah, it really doesn't get more new hampshire than being in a living room with a candidate and coming outside to a snow filled day. so here we stand. cory booker is in the introductory phase of his campaign as are all the other candidates in iowa, new hampshire, south carolina, nevada. all of these early voting states. the fact he was here on a long weekend as you mentioned was not lost on him when he was inside that house. take a listen.

>> i don't believe in coincidences. today is presidents day. [ applause ] and i get to have my first presidents day of my life doing something that i never really imagined and my mom definitely imagined. she has a saying behind every successful child is an astonished parent. >> reporter: cory booker just left this house party but not before taking questions from a lot of people who were in attendance. it gives you a better understanding of what is waps on voters minds in new hampshire. they were talking to him a lot about climate change, women's reproductive rights and national declarations of emergency coming out of washington this week. these are things that are front of mind for them. it's early for them to be deciding but they're definitely getting to know who their decisions could be for, andrea. >> and kamala harris is going to be there. i'm watching the two of you. i want to catch up with you in the snows of iowa and new hampshire. thanks so much. and we'll be right back. we'll b. -i call it my comfortable future plan.

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juul thanks for being with us. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." i will be back tomorrow unless i run off to new hampshire to join ali vitale in the snow of new hampshire. join us online and on twitter. here's ali for "velshi & ruhle." >> hello, everyone. i'm ali velshi. stephanie is off today. today is monday, february 18. let's get smarter.

>> is there an inappropriate relationship, a connection between this president and our most fearsome enemy, the government of russia? if the president fired the director of the fbi to negatively impact or to shutdown our investigation of russia's malign activity and possibly in support of his campaign as a counter intelligence investigator, you have to ask yourself, why would a president of the united states do that? the deputy attorney general offered to wear a wire into the white house. what was the true nature of the president's motivation in calling for the firing of jim comey? the discussion of the 25th amendment was simply rod raised the issue and discussed it with me in the context of thinking about how many other cabinet officials might support such an effort? rod was ced