paul butler, that does it for our hour, i'm nicolle wallace, "mtp daily" starts right now. >> if it is monday, the president believes putin. >> good evening, welcome to mtp dal daily, we start with the most shocking bomb shell. and it is not the ex-fbi's

account of what happened in the oval office. it is not launching the launches of a counter intelligence probe either. because as stunning as those are, and we'll get to them, it all comes back to the biggest stunner of them all. that this president's behavior, when it came to vupt, was a threat to national security. it brings us to a stunning admission of the president in the oval office when they tried to brief him on a mat ere related to a matter of rub shan spying aer -- russians. the president said something that revealed the depths of his credibility he gives to rupt about national security.

>> the president essentially said he didn't believe the north koreans had the capability to hit us here and he did not believe that because president putin told him they did not. he told him that the north korean s don't actually have those mislsilmissiles. the intelligence agency said that does not match any of our intelligence and he said i don't care, i believe putin. >> the intelligence community seemed to know this, but the president apparently refused to believe it because of putin. it leads to the next obvious question. how does putin tell that to

trump? >> i know the briefers from other intelligence asians shared with the president on that occasion that that assessment was contrary to all of our intelligence, and that is when he mentioned that he believed what putin had to say. >> the more we seem to learn about this president's behavior, the more we keep coming back to vladimir putin. i'm joined now with charlie savage. barbara mcquaid who is an msnbc contributor, and clint watts who is a former fbi special agent. clint, to you first, andrew mccabe was being briefed by an officer who was in the room talking about sbjs matters.

what does it mean go back to the deputy fbi director and in turn relayed the news. >> i find it with high credibility. consistent with so many times that president trump has taken the word of vladimir putin over other intelligence agencies. we have seen that three different times where he essentially repeated kremlin pr propaganda. going all of the way back through history and he went against the intelligence community even when we saw this with iran and dni coats a few weeks ago. so i think there is a high credibility to it. not just because of the way it was transferred, but because it comes from mccabe and it is out of context, and it is very consistent with president trump's behavior. >> and calling mccabe a liar,

what putin is saying is saying that is inaccurate. at least not named news reports, but from the president's own admissions on camera about what he thinks is going on. he said he didn't think that russia had anything to do with the meddling of russian elections. in being consistent with all of these past paymestatements, how of a red flag is it. even on issues that are not directly related to russia. >> i do think it is consistent with other things that were happening at that period of time. remember this is also the point at which right after he fired jim comey and he spoke in the oval office about bragging about the director relieving pressure on him off of the russian investigation and the transcripts of that meeting circulated and became public,

but it would have been known in the intelligence community also alarming everyone in that period of time. obviously since then there has been a lot of back and forth with russia, the united states, and the trump administration up to and including some of the more recent incidents. there was a lot of people with their hair on fire about what was happening at the highest levels of u.s. government. >> it is not clear how the president or vladimir putin got to the president, but this oval office meeting with intel officials according to mccabe, was a meeting talking about russian embassies, houses here in the u.s. president obama expels ruled ru sh -- russians from those houses and he changed the subject to

north korea in that meeting and talked about those icbms. are we reading too much into it to wonder if robert mueller might be -- i'm sorry barbara, might be interested in a conversation like that and the president's turn to another up toic and then to say he believes vladimir putin over our own intel. >> i absolutely think those are red flag moments for robert mueller. the attempt to change the subject, but also speaking of vladimir putin is so unusual. one thing that is important to remember in this conversation is that it is very likely that even at that time andrew mccabe, others at the fbi and intelligence community had additional investigation publicly known about back channels of communication. the fact that we know that michael flynn lied about his conversations with russia is

likely because of intercepts with russian diplomats. they may have known about more, things that andy mccabe is not permitted to disclose. his clearance stays with him forever. that is things that robert mueller may be looking at. >> what does this say about how vladimir putin may have been using donald trump? >> yeah, that is the open question. i mean i think the one thing when you look at this, you talk about rod rosenstein not wanting to put russia in the memo, the second was with lester holt here on nbc news. he said russia was on his mind and now the third one, the most alarming, bringing in people into the oval office with knno

american media there. if you did not trigger on this, then when would you? there is only a few circumstances that may be more serious than that. that makes you wonder why did he feel the need right after firing comey to bring him into the oval office and brag about firing director comey related to their country. it is beyond compare which makes you wonder when you listen to them talk in terms of these scenarios here, what made them get such fear that they brought up the 25th amendment. and the motivations, i still question what they are. when you talk about the president, there was a meeting with president obama when he took office, and he said to watch out for north korea, and

he talked about how serious it was saying we would go to war with north korea. he is making a big show out of it, so why, what incentive would he have about north korea's missile capabilities. and why would vladimir putin want to convince the president they don't have those cape abouts? >> now we are used to the president saying he is buddy with kim jong uun, but this comment, this is oo very

different period where he was really rattling it about little rocket man and raining fire and furry, starting a nuclear war with north korea, so at least at that point he didn't see particularly alarmed. i'm not sure if that has anything to do with putin, but we are all trying to make sense of this unusual presidency. >> let's listen to a little more about what prime ministered the doj to appoint a spshl council. >> the president was speaking in a derogatory way for weeks describing it as a witch hunt. the president went to jim comey

and asked him to discontinue the investigation of moouk flynn that was part of our russian case. in the firing of the director, he asked rod rosenstein to include him in the menu. put together, these circumstances were facts that indicated that a crime may have been committed. >> i think that he does a nice job sum mar rising all of the red flags that were there that caused them to want to let the appointment of a special council. all of those people who are at the highest levels that knew about this would be fired and this investigation would never

see the light of day. if it was a conspiracy with russia and they cleared out, no one would know about it and it would go away. it would be a matter of public record. >> do you question this, because of is writing a book and is now promoting it? >> he is writing a book, but it lines up with other things that comey said and rod rosen stein said, we're always wise to be skept kal. there may be another side of the story. but he is not unveiling any new facts here, just about that sense of urgency they felt, and

if they find there was no coordination with russia, i think the american people are just entitled to know the truth. so having a special council there serves that purpose. i'm so glad that he had a chance to get this far. >> and that the public learns what he learned. >> barbara, charlie, clint, thank you so much. former acting fbi director andrew mccabe will sit down for his first live tv interview tomorrow on the show. we're going to dive into the applicants of all of this, next. ) every day, visionaries are creating the future. ( ♪ ) so, every day, we put our latest technology and vast expertise to work. ( ♪ ) the united states postal service makes more e-commerce deliveries to homes

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del persio. the goal right now is to paint andrew mccabe as a liar. he says the president went after his wife, he was writing a book, he was fired from the fbi, does that mean that mccabe is not tru trustworthy compared to the president of the united states. >> what is unique is it is almost like how people view comey. they say it is deep state and all of the negatives that trump says, and if you're against trump, you're saying oh, look, here is the proof. they thought they needed to get the 25th amendment, start movement on the 25th amendment. neither are true, but the president is doing what he always does especially when he comes to law enforcement, he tries to muddy the waters so that when the truth comes out

people are already deciding one way or another. >> he never goes into the specifics of the allegations. he says this is not true and i can prove it. here are the notes, these things did not happen. what he does it he goes after the person saying it. >> yeah, he does that with literally everything, right? on frizz he said someone said hey, these are the facts, ewe reading the facts wrong, and he said you don't honestly believe that. your gut says it's untrue, or you're a liar. >> i spent six months on jury duty one time and i went to deliberations and i thought there is some people you can't convince with facts, only with emotion. that's how donald trump operates, he works on emotion, right? he is not making counter arguments. he is saying this is a bad guy, these are bad people, they're all out to me me and that is

convincing to a lot of people. >> there are people who would know that, right? >> yes, and who conveyed some of this investigation to andrew mccabe. so there is -- the president, the problem that the president has is that there are all sorts of people that know what happened in these meetings, and at the same time, those individuals, like a lot of people including robert mueller, don't necessarily speak out. by the time they do, the president if you look at andy mccabe, if you look at james comey, he invested so much time and effort into undermining them that the public view is that you're on one side or the other. and then the president also just takes little kernels of truth and he exploits them. he is using that so in the mind

of a public not paying everything to every turn of events, that seems like something, who would you believe? >> does it start to feel for some people in the public that donald -- how could donald trump be possibly as bad as everybody is painting him to be. >> that is the risk. >> and the president does that by latching on to everything that he does. >> speaking to donald trump sport supporter website they think it is a pile on to your point, it is one thing after the other after the other. >> but point is that and it is a great point, you don't have the facts out there from any of

these reports because they're not public yet. so you ghetet to have all of th noise and nothing to respond to that. rosenstein is a trump appointee, because he had these concerns, who stood up to trump, he is now lumped with the opposition. >> jeff sessions campaigned for him. he put on a red hat in the office in 2015 and he was all on board the strain.

>> it is better for some republicans, right? they have to say, i have to say the person who, and lindsey graham is targeting this at, and who it is a good idea for is president trump. he can get to the bottom of this question. rosenstein did say something about the 25th amendment, and he will say they did offer it. if they get called in to talk about what they thought about the president and why they were considering the 25th amendment in hearings that will maybe be public, who knows, that seems like a pretty big risk. >> it is something that can be said and soon forgotten. this will be a disaster and i

don't think we will see hearings on it. >> this national mrnl dc l naal declaration. if you want to link the two, if the republicans are spending political capital justifying the president, backing him on this emergency, what does that mean they might do when the russia investigation comes to a close, and the results, if they are revealed -- listen to ron johnson, talking about the national emergency. >> look, i regret that he has given any president a lot of -- the congress's constitutional authority. they it on tariffs and in many cases. we should have three co-equal branchs. right now the presidency is probably the most powerful, and

we should take back that authority. and that is it way it is. >> they do have a lot of authority. what is the point of congress, the president can declare whatever he or she wants. what do you think it means for the russian investigation? >>. >> i think it is fascinating. this is one of the first time that's we have seen that clear attention. i think they have much less of that attention, right? there is very little invested by your average congressperson. obviously all of this is contingent upon what we learn from that investigation, but in this case, this is a threat to congressional power. the investigation is not that, and i think it is easier with donald trump still having something like 09% suppo90% sup. >> is it more likely that the republicans stick by him? >> in the mueller probe?

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>> i think congress, past congress has given any executivy any administration way too much power and this would be another expansion of that power. that's why you see a lot of us

are concerned about this. >> senators like ron johnson are expressing concern about president trump's declaration. both in the capital and in the courtroom, but with me now is charlie sikes. charlie, republicans have not expressed caution. you heard ron johnson saying he was not particularly happy with it a moment ago, but susan collins doesn't believe in it either. marco rubio doesn't think this is a good will they vote against the president from using these pou bowe powers. >> i think this will take the

house and the senate, and look, there is a lot reasons they ought to be concerned about this. you are seeding power to the checktives, there is a constitutional question of checks and balances. and there is the precedent of the power it creates, even those not concerned about the legal niceties of this. obviously president trump would veto any action, but i think it is important for congress to force that veto. and it would be the first time that a substantial number of republicans have basically said look, we're willing to go along with you, but not when it comes to fundamental issues like rule of law. >> would they will being to override that veto, but to force

him to use that veto, it would be significant. it would be setting down a marker that we're going to go this far. you can be for the wall without being for the national mrnl. i think that is there are a lot of republicans right now. unfortunately not the conservatives that have donald trump's ear right now. >> if they are not willing to go as far as overriding a veto. if mitch mcconnell says they will support it, why would anyone else be so willing to give up congressional short, their own power to sport anybody. >> well, i am used to being disappointing but be that is stunning. >> it is more than

disappointment. there should be sensibility. things have gone so far, i think what you're hearing is what a lot of republican senators are hearing. how far will we go in giving up our own pour and authority, the article one power that the constitution gave to congress. so that is one of the reasons why i think there is a possibility if you have a few republicans willing to stand up for the institution, for the rule of law, for the constitution, you might see a mini jailbreak. >> i want to squeeze this in if we can. here is chris wallace pushing him on this national mrnl. >> can you name one case where a president has asked for money.

>> this current situation -- the current situation pertains specifically to the military construction authority. >> but they asked for military construction -- >> the meaning of the statute is clear on it's own terms. if you don't like the statute, then -- >> you would agree the it is know. >> so they would rather live in a world where it is charged, period? >> they would, but the question now for members of congress is do they want to live in that world. what you heard in that exchange is that he can't sight a single precede precedent. this is unprecedented. we never had him invoke an emergency, and uses it as an execution to spend money that was not appropriated by the congress of the united states,

so he could not spin that. >> thank you so much, with me now is a democrat from california. congressman, thank you for being here, do you think the best path forward, the best plan of action, is to support a resolution or to go directly to the courts? >> we have to do both of them, and probably a few over ones along the way. make them aware of what would happen with the military construction, or alternatively with the various public works programs that the army corps of engineers has. this is fundamental and it goes to the heart of the democracy, an opportunity of people to express themselves, or if we have an imperial presidency.

we will, beginning next week, holding hearings, the chairman of the judiciary committee, i understand he is hearing up lines to do that, i think you will be them on this. we have a situation where they have been called strict constitutioni constitutionist. this is the fight, this is the moment, and this is the fight that we have to have not just for us but for the future of america. when you tell them the president is taking money, what will the

pentagon be losing, what will you explain? >> there is about $27 billion, some from previous issues, some lined up, all of them lined up to be under way. these are critical projects. we figures out these are things that must be done. these are fundamental, and it is more than a school in tennessee. it could be the rebuilding of an air force base in california, or a camp that was for the marine cor corps. those are multimillion. they will decline all of those projects deemed by the

variations of the military. for our military to be able to provide our national security, it is in any form you can imagine, we know we will build new missile defense facilities, we know that we have to repair the funding for the pearl harbor, it goes on and on, all around, guam, okinawa, major projects around the world, and the president says fine i will take the money, that is not necessary, that is taxpayer money, this is not mexican money, those other critical projects will be delayed or won't go forward and we will have to back fill at some point in the future. there will be a delay, none of it is necessary because of this vanity wall that is not

necessary by the president's own terms. >> what do you say to a voter that says i believe the wall is a national security emergency and it will make us safer. >> go through the process, he will if he thinks that is important, put it in the budget, put the justification and we will debate it and i will guarantee you this, with the lawsuits out there, with the actions we will take in congress, the hearings that i will conduct when we get back, it will be faster for the president to do it. not by exerting the congress, but rather become a president as

called for in the constitution that says every year he has to put forward the priorities, the things that need to be done, and congress will debate it, inside if -- decide if it will be done or not, that's how he can do it and it will be faster, otherwise right now we're heading into a major critically important fight that will determine the very course of this nation for years to come. if the president is allowed to do this, and he has used more power than he already has, can't let it happen. >> that is -- hold on, i want to get just a moment more on that. you say it will change the course of the future of this nation, what do you think happens in this future in the president is allowed to do this? let's start with the organization to use military force. president's george w bush, obama, and now trump are using

that ancient, out of date, use of force in the middle east and in the philippines and africa nap is a war powers act of congress and now you add on top of that the appropriation power of congress. and you add these things together and why have congress at all? because the president has the power to wage war, has the power, if he is allowed to do this to use an emergency, any emergency, and then go forward appropriating money on his own. we can't allow it to happen and using the emergency powers act which we can only repeal with a presidential signature. he controls is all, and the next president. this one is bad enough, maybe the next will be better.

maybe not. >> congressman, thank you very much for joining us. and coming up, the democratic party is becoming more and more progressive and that is getting republicans more and more excited. plus on this president's day, president obama planning a 2020 endorsement? obama planning a 20 endorsement? you should be mad at airports. excuse me, where is gate 87? you should be mad at non-seasoned travelers. and they took my toothpaste away. and you should be mad at people who take unnecessary risks. how dare you, he's my emotional support snake. but you're not mad, because you have e*trade, whose tech helps you understand the risk and reward potential on an options trade it's a paste. it's not liquid or a gel. and even explore what-if scenarios. where's gate 87? don't get mad. get e*trade and start trading today.

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some people want to try to use labels and misuse labels. here's what democrats are about. we're about results. we're about making sure if you have a right to health care. we're about making sure if you work a full-time job, you ought to be able to feed your family. you ought to be able to reduce gun violence. >> that was tom perez addressing concerns around some democrats perceived embrace of socialism and whether that label could turn off voters in 2020. as the "new york times" reports, it's a label republicans hope will sway voters. the panel is back to discuss this. they took it to heart the criticism in 2016 that they weren't for anything, and now they're being very clear. we're for things. we're for a lot of things.

and so far the things they are for are popular with voters when you do just one-line testing in polls. but republicans are really excited about it as well. >> this is true. there is a poll that came out last week actually that asked this question, how do you feel about socialism as a broad concept, which is different than democratic socialism. democrats are even on socialism and capitalism. part that of is when we present these things that are being presented by the democratic party right now in the terms of being presented, medicare for all, addressing climate change, addressing gun violence, those aren't necessarily things, even if they have aspects to them that might overlap with socialism theoretically, they are still things that a lot of people find appealing. if you try and say medicare for all is socialism, if this is the case you're trying to make, voters are going to say it also is health care for everybody. there are polls that show it is very popular. yes, i get why conceptually if you're sitting down having a

philosophical argument with someone, i can see how that would be a casing that it they might make. >> carol? >> what i find so interesting is that the challenge for democrats is they want the talk about the issue, if they want to say we're for something is to be more than just being against trump. >> yeah. >> and for not being drawn into trump. and the whole socialism discussion is to the extent that they have it among themselves in a primary is basically giving in to trump. he's the one who wants to have -- >> who is labeling it that. >> he is putting this out there. >> making it controversial. >> right. and that is constantly going to be the battle that they have. it's great to be about a bunch of ideas, but if trump throws something out, this is what he does, if he throws something out there and they all take the bait, they're not talking what they should be talking about. >> but here's the difference, though, when you start breaking it down to voters i think from the republican side is take the question that was brought up on the campaign trail a couple of weeks ago, would you like to see -- do you believe in

medicare for all? yes. would you like to -- would you get rid of private insurance? yes. and there was a lot of blowback on that. because like you said, when you look at the numbers and put up an issue, yeah you get 90% approval. well, only 17 -- >> just one of the candidates. >> it's just one. but my point is that's where you start seeing the issue with socialism come up, because that is state-run government service. and that's where the republicans break from it. that's where independents break from it. they want to keep their own insurance. they want to be able to send their kids to the schools they want they can. it will break down on a lot of levels. >> i think the responsibility also falls on all of us to talk less about what's your reaction to this and the labels that are being put on things and more about policy. what are you -- what are you exactly proposing? and once democrats in the field do have full-fledged policy behind them on medicare for all, on taxes, on education, on free

college, et cetera, once they have that, their climate change -- >> why should they when donald trump didn't have to put together one single policy? >> because if they're rung on it and we're running on change and getting things done, just because donald trump didn't do it doesn't mean that everybody else shouldn't do it either. >> i know. but he won because he didn't do that in fact. >> you could argue that both ways. >> hold on. before we get into this, i really want to play mike pence in munich. so let's just -- here's mike pence in munich. >> i especially want to invite all of you to thank senator lindsey graham for leading this delegation. i bring greetings from the 45th president of the united states of america, president donald trump. >> silence. that's a munich security conference. the president gets nothing in munich, nothing. the silence speaks volumes. >> it really does. >> these are leaders and

countries that he has criticized and, you know, said things about that are quite negative, tested alliances with. and, you know, that is not shocking at all. >> have you ever seen lying anything like that before? >> the only thing this reminds me of is the u.n. in september, when the president said that he was there as the most who had accomplished more than any administration ever in u.s. history, and there was silence, and then there was laughter. >> this is why the president comes with his own team of people, to clap. and you don't see them in the background of his events, but they're all clapping. carol, philip and susan, thank you, guys. and we will be right back. >> tech: at safelite autoglass

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