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paul manafort's short period of time with donald trump came after decades of being business partners with trump's good friend roger stone. after years and years of lobbying for foreign auto kra sis including in the ukraine who imprisoned his election opponent. literally locked her up. now the long awaited manafort sentencing memo from robert mueller has arrived and the special counsel was unsparing in his assessment. the memo calls manafort a hardened and bold criminal who spent years trying to legitimize the questionably installed ukraine government without registering as a foreign lobbyist as required by law. while trying to hide millions of dollars he earned from the irs. the memo says manafort committed multiple crimes while leading trump's campaign and while out on bail before trial including witness tampering.

mueller details how in the course of hiding his ill-gotten gains manafort lied to almost everybody. tax preparers, bookkeepers, banks, the department of justice, the fbi, special counsel's office, members of congress and members of the executive branch of the united states government. don't forget this is a man that donald trump hired to lead his campaign in its most critical period. taking that unpaid job with trump is arguably what exposed manafort's years of criminal activity and may land him in jail for life. joining me now, danny savales, sima ire, joyce vance and david korn, washington bureau chief for mother jones. i'll start with you, david. there is a sense in which the worst decision that a lot of the folks may have made was signing on with donald trump.

because in paul manafort's case, the crimes detailed in the sentencing memo don't have anything to do with the campaign. signing up with trump exposed what he had been doing for decades. i will read a little bit of it. according to the sentencing memo, manafort engaged in extensive lobbying activities in the united states on behalf of ukraine without registering for the work as required. he funnels over $11 million from overseas accounts to pay for lobbyists to engage in unregistered lobbying in the united states. in submissions in 2016 and february of 2017 he caused false and misleading statements to be made relating to the lobbying work for ukraine. he may spend life in prison because he took an unpaid job with donald trump. >> remember, he was part of the trump campaign interaction -- curious, bizarre interactions with russia that led to the investigation that nabbed him in this regard on a different set of issues. he was there at the trump tower

meeting when he and jared kushner and donald trump, jr., signalled to russia that if you are helping donald trump secretly, we don't mind. we'll be happy to collude with you. when it came out russia had attacked the democratic national committee and hacked them and put out their documents he was part of the trump campaign collusion cover-up saying, no, the russians have nothing to do with it. he denied he had connections with russia. then he had a very important meeting while he was campaign manager with a russian intelligence associate and talked about a peace deal that might have included lifting sanctions on russia. he was involved in a lot of the russia activity. it may not prove to be criminal. it could be betrayal. you can have betrayal and collusion without it being criminal. it's the other things that will send him to the big house. >> of course mother jones was

instrumental in exposing the dossi dossier that so infuriated the donald trump world. the thing that made donald trump interesting to the russians was his desperation almost to do business in russia which is hard to do without the oligarchs around putin or putin himself. you have manafort who is already aligned with the former pro russia president of ukraine who he apparently helped install in a weird way. you have konstantin kilimnik. a little bit from the "new york times." dozens of interviews, court filings and other documents show konstantin kilimnik, this close associate of the russian president, to be an operator who moved easily between russian, ukrainian and american patrons. the effort to disentangle the mystery around him seems likely to leave questions after the conclusion of the special counsel's work. are we looking at a situation where you have donald trump wanting something from russia -- trump tower.

where you have russia wanting to legitimize the seizure of crime i cancrime crimea. so they were working with the same goal but maybe it is difficult to prove they were colluding in a legal way, if that makes sense. >> no one believes donald trump colluded with russian hackers and told them how to attack the dnc and what information to release. you do have trump through michael cohen saying i want to do business, i want your help to make the trump tower. you have manafort while he's campaign manager using konstantin kilimnik to be in touch with oleg darapaska who is close to putin and wants a peace deal to lift sanctions on russia and maybe on him. there is a lot of overlapping interests here. this is why you need a strong congressional or independent investigation because some of the stuff may not be criminal,

but it certainly could be betrayal that the american public needs to know about. that should come out through other investigations if not through criminal prosecutions robert mueller decides to bring. >> let's bring in the legal eagles. i'll go to joyce first. one of the things -- and sima is already smiling. i know you are smiling and i know why. what's happening in the indictments is they are all getting around the margins of what we call russiagate. in this particular sentencing memorandum it's getting to the past criminality of someone who wie winds up on donald trump's team. the atlantic talks about the loud silence of the mueller memo. there is nothing to elaborate the details of the meeting mueller had described as so important that took place on august 2 in manhattan where manafort allegedly gave konstantin kilimnik detailed

polling data and discussed a peace plan for ukraine. the big question now is if mueller has a big revelation, why is he sitting on it? joyce vance, does there need to be a connection made between donald trump's desire to have his trump tower, the russians' desire to have control essentially of american foreign policy, and the quid pro quo being manafort gives them something of value in exchange for something of value? does the connection need to be made for this to be a satisfactory conclusion? >> it depends on what i don't mean by satisfactory conclusion. of course mueller is only interested in portraying the facts and the evidence he finds. he'll leave that sort of analytical conjecture to congressional proceedings. as david correctly finds, there is a difference between crimes and then conduct that's just awful, that's a betrayal of american interests. it's not at all surprising we don't see any additional information in this memo because this is a sentencing memo for

crimes mueller charged manafort with in the district of columbia. that's two conspiracies. they involve manafort's money laundering and failure to file as a russian agent and movement of money. of course his obstruction of justice with konstantin kilimnik. the reason we got this glimpse into the conspiracy aspect is mueller alleged manafort violated his plea agreement. part of it was this russia conspiracy. the fact it is not in the sentencing memo which is for unrelated charges tells us nothing about what mueller might be sitting on. >> i'm coming to you, seema. we don't have paul butler here to debate you, but the crux of the debate is you have said repeatedly at some point mueller has to get to the point, the thing he was empanelled to

determine -- whether or not the trump campaign traded something for something. you give us x and we give you a peace deal in ukraine and recognize the seizure of crimea. does the fact that this latest sentencing memo doesn't even touch upon the activities of paul manafort as campaign manager, does that further your view that we are still missing a big piece? >> it does. i think trump's team can use this to their advantage. see, the narrative has been trump never believed he was going to win the presidency. as you said in the intro, trump was desperate to do business in russia. what better way to make that happen than bring paul manafort into his campaign because if that was the goal, if the goal is to do business in russia and not to meddle in the campaign, in the election, paul manafort

was just the conduit to get him there. >> let me bring danny in. if, for instance, donald trump decides i want my trump tower. i'm going to run for president as a way to further my brand, as a way to build myself up, as a way to get close enough personally to vladimir putin to get my power. i will give him what he wants and then i won't win and i will get my tower. the people around him say, no, we want to win. we're going to take steps to win. if we have to trade campaign data, commit crimes, cocollud ce data, commit crimes, cocollud, e we'll do it. then he gets the thing they got for him -- the presidency. what's his exposure if the people around him decided they were willing to trade sanctions relief, foreign policy assistance to russia, campaign data in the case of paul manafort and other things of value. if they around him did it but in his mind he just wanted to build the trump tower.

what's his exposure legally? >> you focused in on one of the main challenges for prosecutors like joyce vance when they are considering cases like conspiracy cases or even federal bribery of officials cases. you often have acts that may themselves appear innocuous or intent that from the outside appears innocuous such as what if donald trump wanted to benefit his business. but then once you have illegal acts you have to draw lines, connect the dots between people involved and the relative intent. was the intent innocent or was it corrupt? was it for an improper purpose? once you find the improper purpose you are getting closer to crimes like conspiracy, bribery, any of the other federal crimes. but it is a challenge. because defendants might take the position that what i was doing was innocent. there was no improper purpose. i just wanted to benefit my business. however, once you have the core

illegal act like meddling in elections, as soon as people get connected closer and closer, the intent becomes easier to infer from the surrounding circumstances. so there is potential liability depending on what facts still remain. >> of course -- >> and joy -- >> go on. >> i just want to point out therein lies the problem. danny laid it out perfectly. what is the prosecutor's challenge? the problem is there is still not been made a public connection between what everybody around trump was doing with respect to the russian election meddling and trump's knowledge of that. we need to see and hear that trump knew that there was meddling done around him and not just efforts to build his business in russia. that has still not been made. we are still waiting for that, however many years later.

>> joyce, let me ask you this question. and david has reporting that touches on this. if donald trump did know that people around him, potentially even his son, his children, were suborning crimes, isn't he liable for it? that's like saying, i know i won a million dollars and my son or daughter robs a bank to get me a million dollars. all i wanted was the million dollars. i didn't say to rob a bank but they did it to further my intent. wouldn't he still have liability there? >> danny did a great job laying out the problem prosecutors struggled so hard to explain to the american public. what it comes down to is this. every case is individualized depending on the precise evidence developed in the case. although we talked about conspiracy generally when we discussed the facts mueller may have developed at the end of the day prosecutors look at a

statute. that will set forth a narrow layer of elements that the prosecution has to be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. that will be both acts and intent or the state of mind the defendant had to have. given what we know publicly, it's not clear whether trump had the necessary intent to commit the act. that's what mueller, i think, has struggled with. he may have gotten over the threshold. he may not have. we don't know for certain yet. >> really quickly, we are short on time. before i go to david, if in the course of investigating the prosecutor discovers over the course of years donald trump has been evading taxes, committing money laundering, tax fraud or other crimes he's not immune simply because they didn't find collusion, right? like paul manafort, now he's exposed on everything he's ever done. >> yeah. >> al capone was taken down on

tax evasion. >> absolutely right. manafort is instructive. trump doesn't get a pass for old crimes that are uncovered. prosecutors don't say, well, i was investigating a bank robbery and all i found was a murder, so i won't charge the murder. he's on the hook for anything they uncover. >> the other problem is we have had malcolm nance and others on the show for a long time. the challenge here is donald trump is also being investigated for being an active asset of russia. that it isn't just a passive need to build a tower that's at issue here. there is a question of whether he's also, for decades, somebody who is placing himself in the service of a foreign government. that's still on the table and that's the problem with just doing the discrete case of whether we can prove collusion. >> you read my mind. i'm on a panel with distinguished lawyers. i am not a lawyer. my concern is we have gone through what's the biggest scandal in american history, the russians affecting the outcome of an election and giving us

donald trump. he was a party to it. aided and abetted. if he was not directly colluding by denying what was happening when he had no reason to deny what was happening. he's part of a grand betrayal. if we get too legalistic we lose sight of the bigger picture with what donald trump had to do with the way the russians attacked the democracy. >> and an american president installed with the help of a foreign power, there is no getting around how shocking this is. we love the legal panels. i'm a nerd. thank you very much. david will be back in the next hour. up next, my interview with senator kamala harris. nator kam. only verizon was ranked #1 by rootmetrics #1 in 3 opensignal mobile experience awards #1 in video streaming according to nielsen and #1 in network quality according to j.d. power. and that's why the only network

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we were founded as a nation on noble ideals. i don't have to tell the people at this table we must be clear-eyed. we have not quite reached those ideals. this is an exciting time. there is lots of good stuff to fight for. years from now people will look at us and ask, so where were you at that inflection moment? >> don't look now, but 2020 has already begun. senator kamala harris is one of many, many democratic presidential candidates hitting iowa this weekend. i had a chance to sit down with her yesterday in the gorgeous iowa state capitol to discuss

her run, criminal justice reform and her vision for the country. senator harris. >> joy reid. >> thank you for being here in this beautiful capitol. >> it is beautiful. >> gorgeous. >> amazing. >> the domes are incredible. i know you are here for a town hall, running for president. >> i am. >> i'm going to ask you a big picture presidential question. what are the three crises facing the country? >> one of the biggest is middle class working families are not receiving the benefit of the economy. one of my highest priorities is lifting up middle class families. i want to change the tax code so families who make less than $100,000 a year they can collect at $500 a month. right now in america almost half can't afford a $400 unexpected

expense. that means their car breaks down or medical bills, people didn't anticipate can topple the family in terms of stability. that's not right. one of the big issues facing families is that working middle class families are suffering to get through each month. to put food on the table and pay the bills. another example, 99% of the counties in the united states if you are a minimum wage worker, you cannot afford market rate for a one-bedroom apartment. it's the cost of living that wages aren't keeping up with. it is the cost of housing, the cost of tuition. our students are suffering because of student loan debt. these are the highest priorities that i see that are creating crisis in american families and for that reason, a priority for me. >> so the economy. we heard from a lot of iowa voters. we have been asking people. we have had people say things

like, you know, if i was on public assistance and get a job i lose my health care or food stamps. how can you fix that? >> it is about having public policy in a way that works for working people. part of it is to understand -- and also the values upon which we base priorities for public policy. i value the importance of everyone having access to health care. and it not being a function of how much money you have which is why i believe we need to have medicare for all. in america today, one of four diabetes patients can't afford their insulin. that's just inhumane. so that's part of public policy. part of it is saying we've got to have a situation where we have debt-free college. we recognize housing inequities and home ownership.

>> the field is getting more crowded every day. a lot of candidates are saying similar things about medicare for all. others have come in from direction. green new deal. how do you stand out? >> the voters will make a decision about what distinguishes us. i believe i bring a level of experience including having been a leader in local government, state and federal government. i have a background that's about actually fixing things, be it working on the need for homeowners to receive support, especially when there are predatory lending practices that happened in the past and continue to occur. i have the experience of working on issues that relate to national security. i serve on the senate intelligence committee. american families now really want to know their leaders will support the education of their children. that's an issue we are failing

parents and families on. so i think it will be about looking at each candidate's experience, looking at whether we have the ability and the commitment to speak truth and fight for justice. >> mm-hmm. >> i'm running because i believe we need to restore truth and justice in the country. >> you talk about the issues that are about persuasion. this is about saying out of all of these maybe 20 people, this is how i persuaded you. part of running for president is inspiration. inspiring people. >> right. >> for kamala harris, what's the kamala harris big idea? what's the big idea behind your candidacy? >> one of the first is to lift up working families. the proposal i have around lifting up families making less than $100,000 a year has been referred to by economists as what will be the most significant middle class tax cut americans have received in generations. that's a big issue. for that reason, others have

said it and i will say it. this is no time to be modest. it's a being idea. it is about seeing where people are and supporting them. on the issue of affordable housing and rent, i'm proposing that if folks are paying more than 30% of their income in rent and utilities get they get up to a $6,000 tax credit so they can get through each month. no american family should have to work and no person should have to work more than one job to put food on the table and pay the bills. >> a lot of your background, you talk about your background in california. a lot of it is working in the criminal justice system. >> yes. >> you have had a lot of debate about your background as a prosecutor in san francisco and at the statewide level. i want to ask a prospective question. how would a president kamala harris specifically tackle reducing mass incarceration and really advancing criminal justice? what could be done?

>> part of my background, joy, is this. my parents were active in the civil rights movement. i was born knowing the inequities in the criminal justice system. no one had to teach me about it. i made a conscious decision to become a prosecutor believing that if we are going to reform these systems, we should also be at the table where the decisions are being made. >> mm-hmm. >> for example, i was one of the first in the nation in elected offices to a major city of this country to design initiatives around getting people out of the system. particularly young men arrested for drug sales, by giving them jobs and counseling. the reentry initiative was a model for other places. as president of the united states one of the things i would do is continue that longstanding work i have been committed to and creating incentives for states to understand we have to engage in prevention of crime as

a smart way of creating public safety. sentencing reform. we have a history of disproportionate sentencing and in particular, sentences that for people who commit the same kind of crime receive different kinds of sentences. in particular, black and brown men. we can look at how it has played out in terms of disparities around powder and crack cocaine. we came along pretty well in terms of reducing it. but it is still not one to one. we have to change that. i'm committed to what we have to do around having affordable public defenders and affordable public defense and resourcing public defense. one of the people i grew up with professionally is a man by the name of jeff adachi who recently passed away. he was the elected public defender of san francisco. the last conversation he and i had is he said, kamala, i want

to help advise your policies. please prioritize resourcing public defense. because most people charged with crimes can't afford to come out of pocket and pay for a lawyer to defend them, their constitutional right. that's one of my highest priorities is doing that. i will do it now in his name, in honor of his life, of fighting for folks. but there are a number of things that have to happen, including what we need to do around detecting and addressing bias and racial bias, implicit and explicit in the criminal justice system and in particular within law enforcement. when i was attorney general of california we created the first of its kind implicit bias and procedural justice training of police officers. together with law enforcement leaders. recognizing that needs to be addressed when people carry a gun, if they are holding on to racial bias and making decisions about who they stop, arrest or shoot.

if that decision is informed by bias, we need to deal with that. we know it does happen. >> right. you're talking about specifically issues that face african-americans. we are seeing videos of people barbecuing while black people are confronted by civilians, having the police called on them. these are race-based issues. what a lot of americans -- when african-americans talk to me about this and about the obama era they say when a black person achieves power the disincentives toward doing race-based policy are so strong. the world wants rising tide lifts all boats so you don't appear biased. if you were i elected president you would be the first woman, the second african-american president, indian-american community has a claim on you as well. would you feel -- would it be difficult for you to advocate

race-based policy or would you feel you have to do just rising tide? >> look, here's how i feel about this. i want to talk about the issue of identity politics, joy. i gave a speech about this last year. this term identity politics, people will use that term -- it's like people used to talk about the race card. >> right. >> they bring this term up when you talk about issues that are about race, about sexual orientation, religion. they bring it up when we are talking about civil rights issues as a way to marginalize the issue, try to silence you or shut you up. we need to call it what it is, which is to try and divert away from a conversation that needs to happen in america. why? one, because we must speak truth. racism, sexism, homo phobia,

trans phobia, antisemitism are real in this country. we have to address that. two, and this is equally important. how america deals with the issues and the disparities and also the hate that can be -- that causes these issues to become lethal in proportion. how america deals with these issues is a matter of american identity. this is not about identity politics. if it is, it's about the identity of the united states of america. how we handle the issues will be about our collective identity. >> there is much more of my interview with kamala harris in our next hour. coming up, my all-star panel reacts next. star panel reacts next.

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this term identity politics, people will use that term -- it's like people used to talk about the race card. >> right. >> they'll bring this term up when you talk about issues that are about race, about sexual orientation, religion. they bring it up when we are talking act civil rights issues as a way to marginalize the issue. as a way to frankly try to silence you or shut you up. >> the litigation of identity is already becoming a key topic in the race for 2020. it was just one of the issues i discussed with senator kamala harris during our interview in iowa on saturday. joining me now, corinne jean

pierre, tiffany cross, msnbc political contributor jason johnson and jameel smith of "rolling stone." i will go through everybody to get reactions. starting with you, corinne. on the notion we have gone right to identity politics at the start of the campaign. the most diverse field we have seen. there are whole segments about the fact there are not a lot of white guys. pete buttigieg is in. where do you make of the fact that's where we are and kamala harris's response. >> boo, hoo, not enough white guys. it's time that it's diverse and we have two african-americans in the race and an lgbtq person and a latino-american. i think -- and plenty of women as well. that's fantastic. i'm glad we are finally in this place today. identity politics, the other side likes to use it as a pejorative. we should not allow them to do that.

if we are talking about income inequality, the working class we need to talk about identity politics, period, full stop. it used to be a time when you talk about working class it's always about the white working class. we can't do that anymore. we have to talk about multi racial populism and we have to talk about inclusivity. it is important to do that. we cannot have any more of the conversation about working class without talking about identity. this is the place where we are now. this country is becoming more brown, more black. it's about time we come to a place where we can own the identity politics term and make it into a positive in a way that we are working and helping everyone in this country who can't put food on the table who are trying to figure out how to put their kids through school. that's incredibly important. >> the issue of the economy, as we were going around town chatting up the people that we would run into, my producer and

i, that was a consistent theme was the fact that these are working people. we would be in a dunkin donuts and they would say, even if i have this job it is difficult to pay my rent. kamala harris, when i asked her what her big idea was went right to that. that's where she went. i want to play it for you and get your reaction. >> what's the big idea behind your candidacy? >> one of the first is to lift up working families. the proposal i have around lifting up families making less than $100,000 a year has been referred to by economists as what will be the most significant middle class tax cut americans have received in generations. that's a big issue. for that reason, others have said it and i will say it. this is no time to be modest. it's a big idea. >> tiffany, she added to that the idea of a big middle class

tax cut, not the newest thing a democrat has proposed. she added on an affordable housing idea that for folks making less than $100,000 if more than 30% is paid in rent and utilities they get a $6,000 tax credit. it is built around the tax code. smart politics? >> it is. i'm not sure she'll necessarily be able to singularly own that space. she introduced legislation to support these policies on the hill. introduced the lift act last year. she's been a proponent on these things. however, i think elizabeth warren has really had a longer legislative record publicly and privately before she was in the senate of being a champion of these type of economic policies. i'm not sure senator harris is the first person people will think, but obviously it is a smart principle to run on. the challenge is she's not running against donald trump at this point. they are running against each other. how does this plan distinguish her from a crowded field of

democrats and how does she get her message out before someone like bernie sanders or elizabeth warren who has been doing this longer than she has? >> that's a challenge. where people, jameel, think of kamala harris, they see her in the criminal justice lane. that's her branding. it's a challenge to get past but one of her selling points is that these jobs she's had as a public person in the criminal justice space is also part of her qualification. one of the things i thought was interesting is she referenced a guy that i had to google called jeff adachi. he was a public defender in san francisco who was killed this month actually. was it this month? i'm not sure when it was. >> no. >> let me play that and we can talk about it on the other side. >> one of the people i grew up

with professionally is a man by the name of jeff adachi who recently passed away. he was the elected public defender of san francisco. the last conversation he and i had is he said, kamala, i want to help advise your policies. please prioritize resourcing public defense. because most people charged with crimes can't afford to come out of pocket and pay for a lawyer to defend them, their constitutional right. that's one of my highest priorities. >> the san jose mercury news says they are investigating the death. she referenced it. it was smart because in the asian-american community this person is revered. she made the nod and to those who care about what he did as a public defender. that was a way to make a note in the course of a larger answer. what do you make of that? >> indeed. adachi's reputation as a public defender and a champion of civil rights was well known throughout

the state. adachi was first of all known for being kamala harris's opponent in a lot of respects. i think certainly it seems they enjoyed friendship and a good relationship towards the end of his life, he was quoted last month in "the guardian" telling them twice he asked her to investigate the san francisco police department, once for racist and homophobic texts they were sending and another time for killings they had been perpetrating. both times he never received a response. there are questions about her record that she'll have to deal with more forthrightly than simply bringing up past names and past associations and saying she'll do things in that person's honor. >> jason, i think that's something the harris campaign needs to recognize. she has a lot to say on criminal justice. even when i asked what she would

do to reduce mass incarceration she went back and referenced her record. i will play a piece where she talked about her role as attorney general of california in the area of policing. listen. >> when i was attorney general of california we created the first of its kind implicit bias and procedural justice training of police officers. together with law enforcement leaders. recognizing that needs to be addressed when people carry a gun, if they are holding on to racial bias and making decisions about who they stop, arrest or shoot. if that decision is informed by bias, we need to deal with that. >> let's talk about that. this is going to be part of the record she'll have to litigate is the criminal justice record. her campaign is focusing on middle class, kitchen table issues. >> right. joy, this is the achilles heel of the harris campaign. the moment she heads into the real primary, everybody is being

nice and playing friendly now. when the democrats start stabbing each other in the back which is in about two, three months. this is what she'll get hit with. she can talk about implicit bias, improvements made in this territory or not. then people will remind her she was advocating using prison slave labor to fight forest fires and a truancy policy that's basically the school to prison pipeline many african-americans and latinos have complained about. she can't get away from this issue. ultimately, this might be her undoing. senator harris is a dynamic intelligent and highly qualified candidate. if she can't reconcile the problems with her criminal justice record with the policies she said she wants to implement as president, she won't get through the primary. >> let's go to the wider panel on this. to be fair, senator harris has defenders, latifah simon and others have written in her defense. they i will go to you first on

this. first, the question of whether or not republicans will start bloodletting. you have heard a lot of public pronouncements that the democrats don't want to kind of dis-em bowel each other during what could be a long primary unless super tuesday shuts it down in march. what do you think? do you think they'll tear each other apart and kamala harris specifically will be, you know, taken on specifically on criminal justice issues? >> a couple of things, joy. there is not a lot of stomach for that amongst voters and folks coming out in the early states listening to the different dozen or so candidates who are vying for the democratic nomination. i don't think that's what people want to see. i think folks want to see what are your bold visions, ideas. how are you going to bring the country together and win? how are you going to fight? can you inspire us?

i don't think there is a lot of energy or people wanting that right now. also, they kind of know each other. a lot of senators worked together. they have been on legislation together. there is a friendliness there. but you're going to have a debate coming up in june. you've got to be forceful and make your statement on those first couple of debates. we'll see how it goes. i want to talk also about kamala harris' criminal justice record. jason makes good points. he's absolutely right. she's not the only one in the field, right? you have amy klobuchar who is a former prosecutor. you have bernie sanders who voted on the crime bill. it shouldn't just be -- folks should be questioning them as well. but she does have to -- she's going to have to do a better job at answering to her record, i think. >> can i say -- >> please.

>> i agree with corinne, but i think though the democratic candidates may not tear each apart she has to account to the voters themselves and senator harris has a black man problem. a few weeks ago luther campbell, famous from the two live crew. i wasn't alive when they came out. maybe you were. >> wow. >> oh, man. >> i remember them. i'm just kidding. luther campbell was a huge superstar and is active in florida. he got the keys to the city from the mayor. he's a voice she needs to pay attention to in the battleground state of florida. he penned an op-ed criticizing her for her criminal justice record. listen, it's okay for her to evolve, develop a new outlook on things, but she has to tell the story. it can't just be don't think about what i did last year. focus on what i'm doing now. i haven't heard her tell the story. jason talked about her truancy

policy. that impacts disproportionately low income parents of color. she recently came out in favor of recreational marijuana use. that impacts people of color. she didn't support body cam usage for law enforcement officers. she was not in favor of a bill that was for officers. these are things that people at large are going to have questions about but specifically black men, they're going to have a problem with her record. you are right, she's not the only person but i would say african-americans expect more from people who looks like us, a candidate that wants to represent us. you have to love the people to lead the people. if her record does not look like she consistently love the people, they'll not trust her ability. she needs to find a strong black man advocate who can be in her corner at some point in the campaign that i would say is my

key advice and be a validator for her. >> you are going to have two african-american candidates right now, cory booker and to k corrine's point, you have two people voted for the primary. you have four people attacked to these issues all going into the primary. the black lady is the only one paying or are they paying a price? >> i completely agree with tiff any whtiff tiffa tiffany. she's going to have to compete with cory booker. if neither of them get 40% of the african-american vote, they

won't end up on anyone's ticket. let's be candid. when you are saying she needs to have an advocate out there for her, it is not going to be her husband. we saw them voting for trump last time in larger numbers as we have seen in 20 years as it comes to republican candidate. she's going to need that if she's going to be successful in some of these diverse states. >> sounds like african-american men are not going to support a black candidate. >> they have a problem of a candidate who's portray fairly enough as having thrown a lot of black men in jail. >> there is a lot more to come. so much more, keep it here. re

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good morning, welcome to "am joy." every democrat is in iowa, meeting with voters across the state and hoping a standing out among a growing field. michael bennett and kamala harris and others are holding events across the state. i sat down with kamala harris in an increasingly polarized america and donald trump's impact in the world. >> let's talk about some of these big identity issues. you have seen coast guards men

in the coast guard charged with plotting a terrorist attack, you were targeted and several of my colleagues and msnbc and cnn. a whole list of people who many of them are frequent target of this president to be honest. there is a sense in the community that looks at hate crimes and they are increasing and people whether donald trump wants them to or not are calling his name or adopting the same enemies that he feels he has. >> how does a black woman win the presidency in a country where the trend is toward more racial polarization. >> to your point, we have seen a rise in hate crime. as attorney general of california, i used to public hate crime reports. hate crimes against

african-americans and antismanttism is on the rise. >> how do i deal with it? head on. many my heart and soul and my brain, no. anybody who loves our country rejects any form of hate. anyone in our country who says they are proud to be an american and to salute that flag should understand that flag is supposed to represent the fight for equality for all people. the way that i think of the country that i love is think. the very nature of the strength of our country is based on the fact that we are aspirational. the moment we stop to fight to

reach for those ideas, is the moment that we become weak as a nation. i will say this joy, i will fight everyday to reach those ideals. i am clear that we have not reached those ideals yet. though they may be uncomfortable conversation about race and all of thor issues we are discussing. truly i think that the people of our country in 2020, will be able to see who wants to be a leader for all people. who's not going to shy away from difficult conversations, i think the american people wants a leader to speak the truth and who'll fight for justice. i am prepared to do that. speaking of that and the american image, a lot of it is the way the world looks at us. >> yeah. >> twhen the american people whn they supported president trump or not, he stands up in front of our allies and greet them and get silence. >> i bring greetings from the

45th president from the united states of america, president trump donald trump. >> when they see the president of the united states proceeding to people like vladimir putin r and north korean dictator. how would you fix that? can it be fixed? >> it can be fixed. the people who are our friends and allies around the world know that a lot of what we have been seeing the last two years is not reflective of the american people. the next president of the united states will remind folks of who we really are and that's a nation that values our friendships that works with our allies and tries to find common ground and we understand that there are strengths in understanding common ideals and common goals. i think that we'll be able to

recover what has been lost when people understand that the people of our country value our integrity and take pride in the fact that aside from what has happened in the last couple of years. we failed sometimes, we have been a nation that fights for the best of who we can be. >> let's talk about -- the image of the united states, some of the foreign policy challenges are right here in our hemisphere. now we got crisis that are brewing near home, venezuela, haiti. the president of the united states demagogue some places like honduras where we are seeing children taken from their parents trying to escape. in a kamala harris' policy, do we intervene or need to stay out of it? >> we work with our allies.

what we do is recognize and call out human rights abuses. what we do is we don't shut our border to those who flames the border capitol of the world and coming here seeking safety. what happens is that we do not conduct foreign policies by tweets. what happens is we do not approach foreign policies in a way that's about unilateralism. we understand that there is strengthen numbers when we have common interest. it is actually a reflection of our strength to work with our allies when and where we can. >> there is a fundamental trust of the united states had been created. by the time the next president takes office, it is not going to go away. how do we get back the trust of these allies. >> so trust, our relationship of trust, our personal and

professionalized, the relationship of trust is reciprocal relationship. you give and receive trust. one of the most important ingredients in trust is truth. and so part of how we restore trust is we speak truth. we are not seeing a lot of truth speaking out of this administration and that's part of the problem. >> another issue is feeding into donald trump's biggest issue, immigration is his base. climb change is happening and part of the movement of people is the change in the climate that is creating the catastrophe of what we saw in puerto rico. >> that's right. or it is snowing in pasadena, california. >> right. >> we are in no longer of the paris climate accord. >> yes.

climate changes present a threat to our nation. the globe. we were part of a group of nations who understood that collectively, we can make a difference. we have got to take seriously all of us the reality that if we don't act and act with a sense of urgency, it will be to our collective apparel. i support of what we need to do around creating or having as goals timeline. how we are going to trust greenhouse gas emissions. we as human beings actually have in our power. to reduce the effects of climate change and the administration has failed us. they are looking backward and not realizing that it is a smart approach to think about how we can reduce our alliance on

fossil fuels or how we can improve what we do around conservation and recycling on water. i can go on and on. but, what i do know is this, this administration has failed to think about the future. >> i just have to stress that joy, to your very point, even if the outcome of november of 2016 having a different, we would be looking at the shifting populations to your point. we would be looking at a globe that's very much influx. you can attribute to climate change and automation, right? i think that the question before us right now is not only to look at mirror to ask who are we and part of the answer is we'll be better than this. part of the issue right now is what is our vision for the future, for our nation and our role on the globe?

right now we have an opportunity for 2020. to really have that conversation and my role in this is to suggest that our vision is the future, one, it is one in which a picture that everyone can see themselves and everyone participates. where we claim our rightful roles, being part of the future in terms of creating a path where it is a world that's sustainable and also a world that everyone participates. >> i have al quick lightning round. >> yes. >> you mention the committee that you are in. you are a lawyer. >> yes, i am. >> do you believe there is anything in the constitution that says a sitting president can't be indicted? >> i don't know if that's the case. i think that would be litigated. >> if the mueller report which

we are all anticipating comes out and finds that the president, maybe did not commit crime maybe it was an accessory to crime and people convicted of crime. do you believe there will be enough vote in the senate to impeach him? >> i don't know, i honestly don't know. >> what about the upcoming vote overturning the president's emergency declaration? >> do you think there will be a majority? >> listen, i think that this is a crisis that the president is making. it is clearly not an emergency. he created this crisis to pursue his vanity project called the wall. it is a misuse of taxpayers money and billions of dollars that could go into building infrastructure and creating jobs and lifting up middle class and working families. i think that we should

absolutely should act, congress should act and push the case back into the courts. the court will reject it. that's an abusive of power. >> as we wrap up here, this is a historic question that i have never asked a candidate. there are conspiracy theory that are now becoming apart of our poll titi politics, this whole other realm some of it is spread by humans or bots. you are jussie smollett's aunt. you seem to be the focus of a lot of negative information going on. is your campaign prepared for this? what are you going to do about it so you don't repeat what's happening in 2017? >> our campaign had been a target of that. the race is only four weeks. it is a reality, you are right.

in my heart believe ths that vos are smarter. i am hearing iowa, i was in new hampshire, i was in south carolina, i am spending time around our country. i believe that people are smarter than these conspiracies, smarter than they realize are known. when i sit down and talk with folks, they want to know about my plan for middle class working families, they are applauding the tax bill that i am proposing. that's my focus. my focus is not going to be responding to conspiracy theory. >> coming up, we'll tell you whether senator harris was quite right about those conspiracy theories. keep it here. i'm mildly obsessed with numbers. so, i started with the stats regarding my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis.

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there are conspiracies about you. you seem to be the focus of a lot of the negative information going on in the cyber activity. is your campaign prepare for it if. >> i believe that voters are smarter than what they are trying to spend. in my heart, i am hearing iowa, i was in new hampshire and south carolina. i am spending time around our country. i believe that people are smarter than these who are

spreading these conspiracies, smarter than they are realized. >> while senator took the high road in our interview, her campaign is bucking political traditions and calling out these people. narrater, she's not related to jussie smollett. there were conspiracy that she and booker were in cahoot with jussie smollett. you can't call it silly season because we know russians use these information in order to change the outcome of the 2016 election, it worked and it was effective against hillary clinton. the fact that we are seeing that

happen and before she's even considered -- she's not the front runner yet, kamala harris is the focus of a lot of it. what do you make of that? let me just give you an example of this. there is a trump super pact that sent an e-mail trying to tie kamala harris to the jussie smollett's case saying they help him get away with it and using it to raise money but beyond that, you also have the online weird spear that's trying to create family connections between jussie smollett and kamala harris. >> first of all, it should never surprise us that trump or his campaign will use racial and ara racist appeals. that's what they are doing now. they have been doing that since trump enters the scene. it is important for people to realize that the russia did what they did not by inventing things

but by playing into preexisting divisions. yes, they did invent falsehoods but they were playing with divisions that's already here. here is what i think is most interesting of harris candidacy. i think she's working very hard to blow up the racial stereotypes in our politics. the first part of the interview, she talked about her big tax cut, four people earning $100,000 a year. you can redistribute money through programs or tax cuts. she wants to do it through tax cuts. if you have no idea about her, you would say gee, this would appeal to the white working class. so i think and i think in your interview of the recent hack, she talked about common goals and leaders for our people. she's trying to breakthrough serial types. i have to quote that the headline in the boston globe,

bertherism birtherism is back. gee, i wonder why. >> e.j. makes an important point. the attack that you see when you go to social media where harris had been targeted for 2.5 million mentions in just a 30-day period. she has not been in the race for a full month. retweets about her are at the highest level and the second is cory booker. between black americans, between caribbean americans and african-americans and trying to show interracial divisions as a methodology. this is human being people being picked up and running through the bot world. >> the country had done it beginning of time, divide.

one of the reasons we see so many attacks after her is that the republican party, the current president or occupant of the white house looks at her as a most significant threat in terms of who's running for president right now. she's the most mainstream candidate. she does not self-identify as a democratic socialist. i think that word is going to come back and haunt anyone who em bases it. she says she believes in capitalism is a fair capitalist society. she's a democrat. she believes in changing the tax code and believes in dealing with criminal justice reform. if you look at the center of the country, not the far right or the far left, if you look at the center of the country and middle america and what americans want to talk about, what the pocketbook issues are, i don't think that race is going to necessarily apply. that's why we see them attacking her the way she is because there is the possible appeal to middle

americans so then what's the next line of attack. let's try to get black americans not to support her. let's get black men not to support her. let's start a fight between caribbean americans or home grown african-americans. we are a lot smarter than that. this is nothing that we have seen since the day of slavery or people who are smart enough to ignore or seeing what it is which is the politics of ignorani ignorance. >> the targeting of 2016 was around issues that are real, issues about criminal justice reform in order to discourage african-americans from voting for hillary clinton, just to get people to stay home and there is some data evidence that it actually did work. these kinds of manipulation of people can be effective when you

get at an issue that people feel deeply about. i wonder if you are seeing the early signs that there is enough divisions that's being sold regardless of who the nominees whine up being that the same play book worked in the 2016 could work again in 2020. >> i don't think it is the same play book that's working necessarily. i think kamala harris challenge lies in her philosophy. her philosophy is i work within the system to change the system. this is a person who's selling us on her ability to once she's president to use the system that she so believes into better the lives of the marginalized. she's asking those marginalized people, those african-americans that so often fail them or so often failed them. that's a real challenge for her as a policymaker. she has done things recently

like come forward with the plan to support recreations. i see a lot of details behind that plan. at least coming forward at this early stage with the willingness along with elizabeth warren to support recreation by the government for african-americans, a lot of freight kands datcandidate s in obama had not done. >> we have seen bots coming out. would african-americans or anyone really for that matter sit back and look at the alternative and say i am not going to vote for this black woman for president of the united states or for any of the democrats who are running despite their intelligence or

diets t despite the fact they come with so much charisma and policy experience and instead sit back and not vote or vote for a man who's setting the country on fire. we talked about the zigzag of i civil rights, we have taken a hundred steps back. all of that, brown versing the board of education, all of that is in the gutter now. every person is marginalized, our lives are endanger every single of the week. would you sit back and not vote, would you rather have donald trump back in the white house for the next four years? >> jamil. >> a lot of people counter that point whose their lives were in danger before president obama or president trump. i think that's something that is

a real thing. people feel endanger the moment they are born in this country. i think that something that she speaks to and interesting and patriotism is a rejection of hatred. what she's trying to do is set up a debate in this campaign where she says essentially of this mob of philosophy that trump is promoting is un-american and destructive. if people can sign onto that. if people can understand that as something and somehow a default in america's character then we'll see, we'll see if that works. >> i want to bring in e.j., what's interesting of this debate, you have the question whether -- it is about creating an inspirational moment of some

big idea that people can latch onto and there is the pragmatic of politics and coming up with real ideas. voters are deciding which of those two things matter. it is interesting when you look. this is not applicable of nothing. this is just an early poll. but the people who are floating to the top of the list are kind of all over the map, right? you have cory booker, he's running at sparticus who's down affidavit four and you have bernie sanders pulling below harris. joe biden, by no mean, i don't think anyone would say he's coming into shake up the system. this is the guy who was in the system, he was the vice president of the united states and he's a senator long time and

political career, here he sits at the top of every poll. what is happening? >> first of all, i think what's happening is democrats have not made up their mines yet and a lot of them know and like joe biden and for the time being they're most likely to say to him. that's a high percentage for kamala harris having just jumping to the race four months ago. the person she sounds like the most is barack obama. because she's presenting and using the phrase in your interview, we are aspirational. she's trying to bridge divides in the party saying you can stand up for the rights of african-americans by arguing this is a part of a deeper american tradition when we are at our best. that's also if i can say so martin luther king jr. argument. >> yeah, i wish we had more

time. >> i feel you want to say things, michelle. >> the last thing i want to say is kamala harris comes with a philosophy out of one many people. i think for that reason people need to give her kacandidacy a really good look. she's smart. i don't want to say she's the female version of barack obama but i think she's the future of our country. >> thank you my producer for letting me go a little bit over. "am joy," another break. (clapping) every day, visionaries are creating the future. ( ♪ ) so, every day, we put our latest technology and vast expertise to work. ( ♪ ) the united states postal service

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we'll obviously subpoena the report and bring mueller to testify before congress. in the end, the department answers they're going to have to make this public. i think barr will ultimately understand that as well. >> democrats vowed to keep up the fight of the doj, trying to keep robert mueller's report from the public. back with e.j., dijon and corinne jean-pierre. >> the information that was in our hands at the time much of which was publicly known caused us great concern. >> you say us but this was your decision, right? >> yes, this was the recommendation from the

investigative team and it was my decision to authorize to open the case. i did that because facts clearly indicated that we had a base to believe that ta cria crime may been committed and a threat to national security may exist. we were certainly in place to investigate on both sides. >> e.j. dionne, a crime may have been committed and a threat to national security may exist. i go to you my friend, we have been looking at politics for quite a long time. i know i have never heard those kinds of words of a sitting president, how shocking is it to you as an american and more americans are not completely freaked out by that? >> well, i guess i will flip it around and say it looks to me like well over half the american population is pretty freaked out

about this presidency. it is like something we have never seen before, just take the most basic things that we know already in great details. how many meetings there were between trump campaign officials and a variety of connections to the russian government. we have never seen anything like that before. i think one of the fascinating things about what ever kind of report mueller puts out there, and i think by the way it is going to be made public because the democrats took over the house if the republicans still had both houses of congress, we may not see it all. i think the pressure will pull it out. one of the striking things here is what did trump do that was illegal but also what were trump's links to russia may or may not be actionable but really raise the kind of security issues that mccabe talked about

the day before or has written about a great deal dea. we need to know both sides of it and exactly what happens between the president and the russians. >> yes, i am old enough to remember the presidential scandal of the 47% tape and that was shocking for a president campaign. a sitting president in the united states being investigated as an agent of a foreign power. you have been at this russia thing with us from the beginning. do you think we'll ever get a full accounting from our government of what happened? >> yes, i think trump is benefiting from scandals to super saturation. there are so many components to the russian scandal that each and everyone could be a scandal of itself. they get overwhelmed or smoothed out. the fact that he runs for president, he was pursuing a deal in russia and trying to get

the help of putin's office to get that deal. the largest financial comfort of interest in american political history. will we get the answer to this? our only hope now is really i think house democrats, the intelligence committee who are reinvestigating or doing the work the house republicans refused to do as devin nunes turning out the investigation. it is not robert mueller's job to tell the american public the full story. these things rise to a level of crime but they can be betrayal or scandals or congress to get that truth and share it with the citizens. >> well, corinne, that brings us to lindsey graham. what we have seen the the republican party is a decision, they'll devastate the power of their own branch of government

for donald trump. there is nothing they won't do. if it is up to congress, let's play lindsey graham and let you comment on that. >> the mueller report will be out soon, if there is no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and the russian intelligence community then that should be the end of all this, i have seen no evidence collusion and if the democrats keep pushing this, it is going to blow up in their face in 2020. >> corinne, i had a good friend texted me in the break that i have been corrected. let's say that mueller does not find smoking gun collusion that trump called vladimir putin up, hey, throw the election to me and i will forgive you for stealing crimea but money laundering or other crimes that's committed. lindsey graham is saying no collusion or no nothing. that's where we are. >> lindsey gram is a fan when g

trump's number one fan. mueller knows all and we'll find out what's in there. there is a lot of fire. there is a lot of smoke and we'll see if there is any fire but certainly a lot of smoke. here is the thing. i want to talk about what will happen, the public has the right to know what happens in 2016. if they don't and barr and donald trump does everything they can with the republicans to block this report. i think it is upon the house, there is a reason why that democrats took back the house because the people of this country gave them that power. they wanted them to be a stop to donald trump. they wanted him -- they wanted to make sure all the bad things donald trump was doing did not get away with it. a week ago when i was on your

show, we talked about the unconstitutional national emergency and how people were taking to the streets. it took us two days. on presidents' day, 50,000 people came out in 48 states. people are angry and they are paying attention. if that mueller report does not come out and the house is not able to get that mueller report to be public, people are going to take to the streets. they are already doing that. that was not the first time 550,000 people came out. we did that when jeff sessions were fired, more than 100,000 people took to the streets. people are paying attention and the american public is aware. when mccabe talked about starting this investigation into donald trump, the gang of eight knew about it. this is the senior folks of congress both republicans and democrats. they did not push back. they were like yeah, it makes sense. we should move forward in doing this. we really have to really, the

house is going to have to push back on this and make sure this report is public. the american people have the right to know. >> they do. go on e.j. >> what i am going to say is we should be clear that the mueller report is likely not to be the end when ever it comes out. it may just be the end of the beginning. as you and david and corinne mentioned that house investigation will continue even in lindsey graham does not like it. you have federal prosecutors in the southern district of new york. you have state prosecutors who are beginning to get into the case and could get into various other reviews by trump so mueller could give us a broad idea of what happened and we'll see how specific he is on crimes. but, then these other prosecutors are probably going to just keep on moving this case forward.

>> yeah, quickly before we go. david cornyn, do you think we'll hear from christopher steel? do you think we'll hear publicly from him? >> maybe at some point. his memo speaks for itself. i assume he'll be questioned by the house of democrats or a report coming out. one thing i would like to see from adam schiff, public hearings. the biggest scandal in american history and no public hearings yet. >> that's right. >> election potentially swung by a hostile foreign power, not one public hearing, stunning. how many did we have on benghazi? >> oh my god. >> e.j., david and corinne. i release you to have a fabulous lunch. for you corinne, are going to

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i know jason you in the middle, but you are going to have to go last. who won the week? >> my who won the week is congressman elijah cummings pretty much the face of the resistance in congress. he released a report that several whistle blowers have come to him that the administration was to rush nuclear administration to the the regime of saudi arabia. this is a major issue. i'm really disappointed that it didn't get a lot more coverage this week. everybody wanted to talk about jussie smollett and this very serious issue we needed to deal with. his committee. he is constantly the person who has gavel power now. he has highlighted the issue about the illegal payments that michael cohen made. so people should pay attention to what is coming out. people ask me all the time what are democrats doing? what is the congressional black caucus doing? we highlight these things all the time in the beat every day and elijah cummings is the face

of what is happening. i encourage everybody to look into this and read it. it is very disturbing. while breaking news banner may have said jussie smollett there was a huge issue happening. the u.s. government is looking at it now post murder of jamal khashoggi and examining how we deal with this regime. the fact that the administration was trying to stash that nuclear information is of huge concern. thank you congressman cummings for pointing it out. >> never look at the shiny keys. the shiny keys will always distract you. house government reform and oversight is always a committee to watch. you got a lot to beat, my friend. the beat was before you. >> i cannot beat the beat. i have two. i have one who won the week and i have an honorable mention. the congresswoman, new jersey 12

who has been amazing these last couple of months. last year she started losing her hair. the doctors found a tumor on her lungs. she went through chemotherapy and she had a cancer survivor. but she has been wearing her hair bald. i saw her on friday at the power rising event in nola. she looked amazing, beautiful, bald. she decided she wasn't going to do the wig or the scarf. she really believes and has said that she is making a quiet statement but a bold statement. she feels she is giving us-h -- she is also make ag great statement which is that cancer doesn't have an age. it doesn't have a color or a gender. it can happen to anyone. my honorable mention is joy reed for locking in kamala harris for

an interview this year, a top tier mainstream candidate in the presidential election. i thought it was awesome, great interview and kudos to you. >> thank you very much. jason, i don't know how you beat i win the week. >> i cheated a little bit. >> i am surrounded by brilliant black women. i'm not going to beat any of you. the winner of the week, most obviously to me, can you feel that? feeling the burn. bernie sanders is the winner of the week. he came into this campaign as an embattled front runner. you had lots of people saying he is too old. he came into the week. he is leading in the polls. he raised more money than any other candidate. i think senator harris, everybody else has had a flawless entrance into the campaign. he has done a fantastic job. i think he has a good chance next year. >> i don't know if he is the

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groups coming to their school. they were supported by their school, supported by their city. i think they won the week. i have to give this quick honorable mention. this young lady won a newspaper. remember the alaska newspaper editor who said it was time for the clan to ride again? well, he is the son of the founder of the newspaper. he has now given the newspaper to a 46-year-old staffer, alicia dexter. she went in for a meeting to sit down and have a face-to-face about what he had written. he said why don't you run the paper? she came from human resources. she worked in chicago and south carolina, just moved to alabama to live where her father grew up and now ms. dexter is the editor and publisher of this award-winning newspaper.

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