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that's our show for today. alex witt is up next. >> safe travels home, my friend. good day to all of you. it's a couple minutes past high noon here in the east. welcome to weekends with alex witt. michael cohen getting ready to testify on capitol hill, one of the house members woo will be grilling me will talk to me about what he wants to know. >> what other light can he shed now that he is cooperating on issues of obstruction of justice. >> everything about this has become political. the way to end that is for the truth to be out there. >> we think he has a lot to offer. north korea summit take two. mara lago. growing questions on whether the president or his inner circle may be at legal risk after his
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former lawyer appears before congress. michael cohen will testify twice behind closed doors. wednesday is a big huge spectacle. americans will see and hear cohen at a public hearing of the oversight committee. cohen implicated donald trump in campaign finance violations and pled guilty to lying to congress, later admitting that then candidate trump was involved in discussions during the campaign to build trump tower in moscow. the house intel chief laying out what he plans to ask cohen. >> why the false statements before our committee when he first appeared? and did they go beyond what he told us about moscow trump tower? who would have been aware of the false testimony that he was giving? what other light can he shed now that he is cooperating on issues of obstruction of justice or collusion or any other issues relative to our investigation.
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we think he has a lot to offer. >> members of congress planning on how to react when the special counsel releases the highly anticipated report, schiff says he is willing to subpoena special counsel robert mueller. earlier my colleague chuck todd asks congressman jim hiems what he is expecting. >> a report that gets to the truth. if that truth indicates that president trump committed no crime impeachable or otherwise, so be it. if it indicates he did that is a much more complicated world. happening today 2020 democratic presidential candidates on the campaign trail. senator kamala harris sat down with joy reed in a wide ranging interview and this is how harris plans to address policies that involve race, class and gender. >> how america deals with these issues is a matter of american
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identity. this is not about identity politics. and if it is, it is about the identity of the united states of america. how we handle those issues will be about our collective identity. >> moments ago, oprah winfrey releasing her interview with beto o'rourke who says he is still considering a run for president. >> this is happening in your name in this country. do not blame this on donald trump. do not blame this on a political party or someone else. if we are a democracy, then the people are the government. the government is the people. it is on every single one of us. >> we'll have more on 2020 in just a bit later. congress is getting ready for a vote tuesday rejecting president trump's border emergency declaration. the resolution is expected to pass easily in the democratically controlled house. in the senate, a number of republicans are expected to vote against the president on this. let's go to the white house with more on this. mike, kind of gauge how damaging
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this could be for the president. >> reporter: good afternoon for you. what a week this is shaping up to be. i realize we could have said that every sunday for the last two years. nothing less than constitutional limits of presidential power will be voted on in the house of representatives the day after tomorrow on tuesday when the democratic led house will take up that resolution that would reject the president's emergency declaration on the border bringing the billions of dollars that congress has considered and rejected to try to build the president's border wall or border barrier. it is likely to pass the house of representatives. the big question there is how many republicans will cross the aisle and join democrats and if indeed it does pass the house as expected then it moves on to the senate where there are bigger questionma marks. the senate is controlled by republicans. the mechanism buried within the law requires the senate to take it up if the house does pass it. people are looking at a number of senator whose are known to be
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on the fence. we know of two, the republican of alaska and susan collins of maine have indicated that they will probably cross the aisle and vote with democrats. but there are others. lamar alexander, ben sass, tom till s, many concerned about the constitutionality of the move. lindsey graham, said to be a president trump horse whisperrer was on television today. >> we might lose a few republicans in the senate. all you need is 51. some people believe that the emergency declaration can lead to democrats in the future doing the same thing on other issues. that's not my concern. my concern is a broken border. it is not a manufactured crisis. to my republican friends, it's clear to me they are not recognizing president trump won. they are not having the same attitude about barriers under
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trump as obama. you are basically legitimizing, marginalizing the trump presidency by not standing by the president. >> reporter: so lindsey graham calling out fellow republicans. a crucial point here, the president said on friday he would veto this legislation if it passathize senate and the house. they would need 20 republicans to cross the aisle in the senate. at many as 53 in the house. that is very unlikely to happen. if you are trying to stop this emergency declaration, the courts may be the best option. >> thank you for the setup on that. joining me now, democrat from illinois and a member of the house intelligence committee. welcome back to the broadcast on this sunday. as we get right into it here, michael cohen is testifying before your committee behind closed doors on wednesday. what can you tell us about what you are planning on asking him?
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>> you mentioned grilling mr. cohen. i hope it doesn't come to that. the last time he testified he lied. he has said choosing working with mr. trump at the time was choosing darkness over light. my message to mr. cohen is, let us let you do that. let us help you do that. i hope it doesn't come to a grilling, a contentious, long meeting. i hope we find out more of the truth. why did you lie? were you encouraged to lie and by whom? and what else can you tell us? and then getting to the meat of these issues trump tower moscow, how exactly did that go? we now know that the president was seeking a relief of sanctions for the russians needed for that trump tower meeting. and that's extraordinary important for the american public to know. >> you mentioned the trump tower meeting. i want to remind viewers of what then candidate trump said about
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his business interests in russia. >> i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia. i have nothing to do with russia. how many times do i have to answer this question. russia is a ruse. >> you are saying the president was lying there. >> the president was lying. i think when the president talks about and senator graham talks about this all being about collusion and if we suspend the reality of mr. manafort meeting and giving him polling data and other evidence of collusion, if we suspend all of that, here is what the american public has a right to know that the president of the united states as a candidate and as the president, did he sell out the american public? we learned so much about the saudi deal and what the administration is trying to do from the investigation of mr. flynn. mr. cohen and others have taught us about the trump tower moscow
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dealing. was the president looking out for our interest or someone else? i believe there are many more issues that are similar to this. they have to be found out. so this isn't just about collusion. >> so with regard to what you specifically want to ask michael cohen, do you have the questions already formulated what you want to ask him about the trump tower moscow project? >> i have been interviewing these people that you prepare general notes of things you want to know. as a former criminal defense attorney, you listen to what they have to say and then you formulate question that go into a little more of the specifics. i want to know exactly who made these arrangements. who was talking to him about these deals? what exactly did the president as candidate say to him about this deal and what he wanted to do? and who was he communicating with? obviously, we know that he was supposed to be in prague.
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he wasn't there. why do we hear of his cell phone pinging off the towers there? does he know of anyone else communicating with the russians? was it about the sanctions? was it about the trump tower meeting or other issues we hear about the president perhaps working in his own interest against the america public's. >> you will get pushback from the president. he will either put out a tweet although he will be busy in hanoi. it is responsible possible there will be pushback because mr. cohen is proven to be a liar. >> he has absolutely nothing to lose. we wonder sometimes how people get into jail who commit crimes. there are often people who testify against them who are criminals. they are people who testify who have previously lied.
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it really gets to the question of the trier of fact. do we believe them or not? is there enough supporting information and evidence that leads you to believe what they are saying? i don't think mr. cohen is coming empty handed. i believe that he shared information with the special counsel and i believe there is a lot of documentation toward these points. in many respects we are still at the beginning of this. if the president thinks that this is all over when the special counsel files his report, he is sadly mistaken. the fact of the matter is as far as the congressional investigation goes in terms of whether these are impeachable offenses, it may be just the beginning. >> the president's former aid told me yesterday that the president's big red line, that's his children. are you going to ask michael cohen about ivanka, eric or don jr. in any context?
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>> i think it is fair game. the fact of the matter is, i don't think don jr. was candid with us, as well. i think he is one that we would like to bring back and clarify some of his answers. i don't think anyone is offlimits in this circumstance. the fact of the matter is the members of the trump family were working on these projects and programs. if they are not involved, then they are not fair game, but if they are the president has put them in harm's way. >> is it the june 2016 meeting in trump tower? >> there are a number of things. the fact is we were ham strung by the fact that the chairman of the intel committee at the time was really acting as a second defense team for the president and the white house. and my republican colleagues were more worried about protecting the president
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politically and legally than getting to the heart of what took place. there were no subpoenas for witnesses and people didn't have to answer questions if they didn't want to. so we'll get the gavels now. the american public is going to find out what took place. >> i thank you for your time. we will be riveted to the television on wednesday and certainly very eager of what comes behind your meeting, as well. thank you for joining me. much appreciated. more on the tales he is expected to tell and whether that will leave president trump or his family in peril, assessing the biggest legal threats posed by the former fixer next. biggest legal threats posed by the former fixer next. first house, sweeti? yeah, i thought doing some hibachi grilling would help take my mind off it all. maybe you could relieve some stress by calling geico for help with our homeowners insurance. geico helps with homeowners insurance? they sure do. and they could save us a bundle of money too. i'm calling geico right now. cell phone?
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new today, congressman adam schiff on just how far the committee is willing to go to release the mueller report. >> we will obviously subpoena the report. we will bring bob mueller in to testify before congress. we will take it to court if necessary. in the end, i think the department understands, they are going to have to make this public. i think barr will ultimately understand that, as well. if he were to try to with hold and bury any part of this report that will be his legacy and a tarnished legacy. i think there will be immense pressure not only on the department but on the attorney general to be forth coming. >> are you prepared to take the administration to court? >> absolutely. >> joining me now, charlie savage, washington correspondent for the "new york times."
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and reporter for mother jones and bob. you heard what the congressman said. what's your reaction? >> my reaction first of all is it is not up to adam schiff but nancy pelosi who controls what kind of litigation the house democrats choose to spend fire power on if the trump administration exerts executive privilege to block them. i think trying to get the mueller report would clearly be among the sort of half dozen they probably have the band width for. that does look like a likely fight if there is a report that william barr tries to suppress for reasons that go beyond just redacting grand jury sensitive information. we are not there yet. there has been a lot of frankly bad reporting about taking the
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writing of the lengthy report that it would come out before the mid term or after the mid term. maybe there is something coming as early as not next week when trump is abroad, but beyond that, the week after that but maybe not. i think we in the media have got to stop saying that we know what is going to happen when we don't. >> you make a good point. bob, you heard schiff talking about the pressure on the a.g. william barr to release the mueller report. during the confirmation hearing did you get the sense by his testimony that he understood that that he is going to have to release this? >> i do. i think that bill barr just said i can't commit to releasing something i haven't seen yet because obviously there could be national security issues here. so i think that bill barr, his testimony i know a lot of democrats didn't like that he wouldn't go that far. i think he is going to release
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as much as he can because of that pressure and also because the public wants this out. i think it will come out but there might be redactions. >> did he make it clear in his testimony during the confirmation hearing that he is the attorney general of the united states and not the attorney general of the trump administration? >> he did. because he also said somethings the president didn't like. he said he is not going to be bullied. democrats we talked to are more comfortable with bill barr being attorney general even though they mostly voted against him in the senate than matt whittaker. >> is it that the mueller report will be released to the public one way or the other? >> i think that that is the consensus at this point. it might be an aspirational consensus because everyone really wants to see it. i think the point here is the more that potentially barr or the trump administration try to
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keep the report suppressed, the more there will be speculation about what is in it. if you try to hide something and say you can't have it then the more you want it. so i think that hiding it will actually generate more pressure to see it and ultimately in some form that likely will come out especially given what schiff is saying about the lengths that the democrats are willing to go at this point to bring that out. i do think that that is likely. there are always unforeseen consequences. redactions might legally be necessary, as well. >> take a look at a very busy week next week on the hill. let's just chronicle some of this. there is testimony from trump's former attorney michael cohen. yesterday i spoke with former white house aid and asked her what she is expecting when cohen talks. >> there is no question that that big red line for donald
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trump is his children. once michael cohen starts sharing details that may actually implicate him, you will see him truly become unhinged. >> is there a sense that michael cohen will go there? and do you anticipate if he does learning anything new from his testimonies? >> that's a great question. as far as the president's children in particular, i don't know. i'm certainly looking forward to hearing what he has to say in public about what his conversations with president trump himself or his proxys prior to his lying to congress about the trump tower moscow deal negotiations that were going on throughout 2016. remember, he lied to congress originally and said that was all over in january of 2016 and that wasn't true. and there was that flurry after buzz feed reported that he had been told by trump to lie to congress and the special counsel's office said that is not what he told us at least. so there is still a lot of confusion over that and whether the president may end up being
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dinged here for subordinating perjury or not. that is the biggest thing to watch for in his public testimony. >> that's a very good point because he can't talk about the russia case in his public testimony. what are you hearing in terms of expectations from members of the hill from this michael cohen testimony? >> it will be a draesk das dram he can talk about events and tax returns. was the president under an irs audit. that is how he dodged releasing them. they can go back in time and ask him a lot of questions. on russia and cohen has said this, he said i can't answer it because he is getting leniency from michael cohen for lying to congress. i watched republicans go after
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him saying you didn't get a job offer in d.c. is that why you are turning against the president and reminding everybody he did lie to congress and they will say you can't believe this guy. >> you bring up the president's taxes and he may be able to testify that the president was under an audit. who cares? he could have released anyway. the white house saying the president isn't worried about what cohen has to say. is there reason to believe otherwise? >> absolutely. we have evidence going back for a while here that trump really didn't want michael cohen to be testifying. he has been putting that out there in his tweets, been trying to make him look unreliable, like a lir, like he has all of these family problems. i think we absolutely can believe he is very worried about this. to the point about the children, i think it sounds nice i want to protect my family. what we are talking about here is the trump foundation. some of the stuff i'm really interested in for the hearing i hope is that people will talk
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about financing for the foundation and talk about the loans from deutsche bank. those aren't exactly russia, but they really touch up on the question of russian influence over donald trump's business. >> you and the new york attorney general are interested in getting information on that. thank you. good to see all three of you. it is a bastion of trump supporters. mar-a-lago. supporters. mar-a-lago. no more excuses with cologuard. we all make excuses for the things we don't want to do. but when it comes to colon cancer screening... i'm not doin' that. i eat plenty of kale. ahem, as i was saying... ...with cologuard, you don't need an excuse...
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onchlth . now an nbc exclusive. joining me now anna sheriff's departmenter departmenter -- anna. talk about what it is like on the inside. >> reporter: frankly, alex, it's stunning when you walk in. you are walking into a place where you can see why a member would pay $200,000 to join a private club. and i visited mar-a-lago ten years ago and interviewed donald
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trump under very different circumstances. it was surreal last night to walk in there under these circumstances where he is the president of the united states. and i have to tell you that for some of the people, his supporters, it is surreal for them, too, in a different way. they are thrilled. they feel like they have become personal friends with him over the last 20 or 30 years that they have been members at the club. one of them had arranged for a video taped inside the white house from donald trump addressing the guests last night where he thanks them for their support and even gave them a heads up about his upcoming trip to vietnam and what he was expecting from his meeting with kim jong-un. i know our team in new york has prepared video from some of the people that we met last night so let's take a listen. >> i'm actually here because i believe in the united states of america. >> trump stands for everything that is not foolish, that is totally wise, that is totally right for our country.
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>> you see the spirit of america uplifted because of our president. we are all in for president trump. this is a great event. >> tonight is a celebration of the president of the united states. long before he was president he was mr. trump. and i think you can be convinced this is a room full of all of his friends and supporters. >> reporter: so you just heard that last person was nicole decoco. she is a loyal member. she is thrilled that she was able to come and spend some time at mar-a-lago. there were people from around the country who came, who bought a ticket. you had to be in the know. you had to know that it was happening. we were really lucky to be there because the folks at mar-a-lago are not thrilled about press attention. we were able to pull eric trump aside and chat with him a little bit, which is a very, very rare opportunity. it was an interesting night. you can watch more of it tonight on nightly news on nbc.
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>> we will definitely be watching that. was there some sort of a country theme or something? i saw all these cowboy hats. it looked like a country music party or something. >> reporter: great question. tony kramer lives in california and loves country. she decided to bring country to mar-a-lago. that was the theme of the event. i know others were grumbling because they wanted to wear their cocktail attire. you can see everyone had a fantastic time. it was a surreal experience. >> one last question. did you hear any dissension of tone when it comes to this president? did anybody speak to you and suggest anything other than 100% support? >> reporter: that's a fantastic question. off the record, i spoke to two people out of a thousand who were not 100% supportive. but if you felt the tone in the
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space, it was all in. and for the most part, no questions asked, just blind support. they like his attitude, the way he is coming at the world. they like who he is. some of them said let's not look at the man but what he is doing and they are happy with his policies. i spoke with a man who was born in panama but raised in americad up a sign build the wall. it was a fascinating evening. >> fascinating to get this perspective from you. a very rare look for a journalist. we did see eric trump so we look forward to hearing what he had to say on nightly news tonight. new details today as michael cohen prepares for his high stake testimony this week. he is expected to answer questions before the senate and house intel committees privately on both tuesday and then thursday. but all eyes will be on cohen's
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public hearing on wednesday with the house oversight committee. joining me now nelson cunningham. good to see you. i'm curious what you are hoping cohen reveals that we get to hear in real time on wednesday. >> this will be the first time that we have seen cohen give really long form testimony where he is in public, where he can be asked by the members to cover the broad range of issues that he has dealt with donald trump. he was donald trump's interpersonal lawyer for years. he was involved in donald trump's finances. he was involved in his business. he was involved in the hush money payments. his wife is ukrainian. his father-in-law is actually the man who introduced him to donald trump. he's got deep ties at the ukrainian and russian worlds in new york. i think it will be an absolutely
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fascinating window into donald trump the man, donald trump the businessman and then, of course, what we all want to know, what did donald trump know and when did he know it? >> michael cohen believes that he has information that could cause damage to the president. do you think michael cohen is the biggest legal threat to the president? >> he is somebody who was with donald trump for years in intimate circumstances who handled some of donald trump's most sensitive dealings. think of the hush money payments to stormy daniels. this is somebody who was a fierce protector for donald trump. and donald trump relied on him. that individual has to know things about donald trump and should be able to report conversations with donald trump that should be absolutely riveting. >> i'm curious about the special counsel and the d.o.j. which
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instructed michael cohen not to discuss the campaign's collusion with russia. does that then allow you to think that mueller's report will address collusion? >> i think there is no doubt that mueller's report will address collusion. we have to remember that mueller was asked by rod rosenstein to do two things, first to do a criminal investigation, but second to do a counter intelligence investigation. the product of a counter intelligence investigation is not indictments. it's not grand jury proceedings. it is not arrests. the purpose of a counter intelligence investigation is to discover what happened, who did it, what occurred and to prepare a report. so we'll see two things that mueller will do whenever he finishes. by the way, i'm not convinced it will be in the coming weeks for a variety of reasons.
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but he'll do two things. one, he will deal with the criminal aspects, but he will also do, i believe, a thorough counter intelligence report on what interference there was by the russians, what collusion there may have been and what the legal implications are of that. >> we will expect that certainly. good to see you. a new nuclear warning from north korea just days before the second summit. could it spell trouble with donald trump and kim jong-un meet face-to-face this week? nd n meet face-to-face this week? on. so, we re-imagined the razor with the new gillette skinguard. it has a unique guard between the blades. that's designed to reduce irritation during the shave. because we believe all men deserve a razor just for them. the best a man can get. gillette.
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kim jong-un on his way to vietnam with the high stakes summit this week with the president. secretary of state mike pompeo speaking this morning about the expectations. >> we have always known this would take time and it would be a step forward and slower than the world has demanded, a real step, a verifiable step is something i know president trump is very focussed on achieving. >> joining me now is a senior research fellow. he was the cia deputy division chief for korea. your expectation for the second summit are what? i know you recently said just talking isn't progress. >> exactly. we have to go beyond singapore which really had no progress. and since singapore there has been no north korean de-nuclearization. they have continued to expand
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and refine production facilities. so in hanoi we need to have north korea agree to the u.n. definition of de-nuclearization which is abandonment of nuclear missile arsenals. we need a commitment to a dated declaration and international standards of verification. >> okay. north korea said earlier today the u.s. will never escape security threats if there's no result in these talks. that's tough talk ahead of this meeting. is that typical? and what is your response to this? >> they usually try to up the ante for negotiations. they are trying to put pressure on the u.s. indicating that unless the u.s. lowers its own bar of requirements we will have no progress as the president would like. what several members of the trump administration have been doing in the last couple weeks seems to be hinting that the u.s. is going to be lowering the bar from what was previously demanded by the administration
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on timelines, on commitments by north korea, perhaps even hinting at reducing some sanctions or providing exemptions to sanctions long before the administration had said would be the case. >> i want to talk about spying because cameras are certainly focussed on the president and kim jong-un. but there is a lot that is potentially happening in the shadows here. intelligence officers look for what at this kind of a meeting? >> we are looking for indications of what north korea will do. prior to the meeting we have seen several north korean statements including the new year's day speech by kim jong-un that north korea won't do anything more on de-nuclearization deyond taking two test sites offline unless the u.s. moves forward on a number of demands. once we get into the meeting then we are looking for what north korea's leaders or other officials are saying that they are willing to do. >> it is also this opportunity.
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it's not like we get opportunities to go inside north korea and have the visage of kim jong-un in front of us. the way he interacts with people, if people cower around him whether he needs advice from people or if he is the solitary guy making the decisions. talk about that. >> even under his father when u.s. or other foreign officials met with him they were surprised with what a good command he had with topics and he didn't seem to need experts pointing out specific characteristics of nuclear weapons or missiles mptd i think we have heard that about unen kpp kim jong-un himself. he is scheduled to have a meeting without other officials in the room. kim jong-un feels confident enough to go one-on-one. >> who do you think is in a better position? >> i think north korea is holding firm on its demands in
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the u.s. signaling that it may be lowering the bar. right now i would say we haven't had any progress so one might think the u.s. is getting a bit more desperate for the success that the administration is claiming they will have. >> it's a lot to watch this week. we thank you for talking with us about it today. the 2020 democrat supporting reparations for african-americans and the potential impact the issue might have on the campaign. tential it have on the campgnai. to be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth.
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some new insights into the 2020 race. earlier senate kamala harris spoke about her presidential bid and her response to a term used in conversations about her campaign. take a listen. >> this term identity politics, people will use that term, it's like people used to talk about the race card. thing that bring it up when we're talking about civil rights issues, as a way to marginalize the issue, as a way to, frankly, try to silence or set you up. and we need to call that what it is. racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia, anti-semitism are all real in this country so we
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need to have that conversation and address it. >> let's bring in policy strategist elena beverly, former associate director for the white house office of affairs in the obama administration and susan del percio. ladies, a big welcome to you both. elena, you first here. do you agree with how kamala harris is navigating this conversation? i mean, talk about the challenges in 2020 that democrats face when it comes to these conversations around, as she said, racism, sexism, homophobia. et cetera. especially during the trump presidency. >> i think we have a democratic field that is extremely diverse and that is embracing issues of racial justice and issues of identity with the exception, i will say, of bernie sanders who suggested that identity is something that divides instead of something that can be a basis for embracing a strong policy agenda. he suggested that he is,
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influen influencing, affecting policy. kamala harris isn't running on identity, a strong policy agenda but recognized race and the real effect of discrimination on today's american people. >> uh-huh. what do you think, susan, the trump campaign strategy will be when it comes to these issues? a repeat of what we saw in 2016? we had so much of trump's race and gender-based attack lines. >> i think whatever donald trump did in '16 he will seek to further that agenda and even about the in a more despicable way. he will use everything he can that he thinks will work to, in the campaign. he will not hold back in any shape or form. >> boy. go ahead? >> it's really depressing. >> yeah. i agree. there's another new development in the race for 2020, elena. three democratic candidates kamala harris, elizabeth warren,
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castro, saying they would support race-based reparations. how significant is that? >> i think it's important in that they are indicating that they are appreciating and acknowledging the importance of race and a legacy of racism on their constituents and on the electorate. so i don't think that reparations is going to become the democratic purity test for african-american voters or other voters of color. i think that what voters want to hear is anni acknowledgement of racial unjust is and hear acknowledgement of the growing racial wealth divide and the impact race has on the economic trajectory for communities of color so, for example, today the average median household wealth for an african-american is $5 compared to $100 in terms of earnings and household ownership amongst african-americans is at a 40-year low. at the same rate it was when racial discrimination was
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actually legal. i think that we have voters who want to have a candidate that acknowledges that reality and that has policy solutions to address them. >> hmm. i'm curious, susan, as we look at the president, who's been tweeting today about the unfair media. the "witch-hunt." suburban women, the wall as well. all getting his attention today. is that a glimpse into this focal point for the 2020 campaign? >> also a glimpse how delusional it is when you read those tweets. points to 52% approval rating only among 17 states. he happens to be under 50% in wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan. at41% in texas. this is what this president does. fweet o tweet out lies and what he'll continue to do. women we saw in 2018 especially suburban women were disgusted by
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president trump, separating parents from children at the border, the wall another issue and will not tolerate his hatefulness especially approaches other candidates. a more stark divide. >> a lot are disgusted by the "access hollywood" tape. come on. >> can i build on something susan said? >> sure. >> actually, trump tweeted out this morning he's above 52% in approval ratings. that is #fakelies. >> saying that. >> fake trump facts. he has always hovered in approval ratings between 42% and 44%. never actually broken 50%. it's one of those lies that she doesn't need to lie about. very much akin to him lying about his height or his inauguration crowd size. >> verifiable facts or numbers. ladies good to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks. measuring the mood inside the white house ahead of a high-stakes week for the
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check in from afar with remote access, ♪ and have professional monitoring backing you up with xfinity home. demo in an xfinity store. call, or go online today. good day, everyone, from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." new this hour, growing anticipation what trump's former lawyer and so-called fixer will kel congre tell congress and the american pub thick lis week. michael cohen testifies twice before closed doors but wednesday is the big show. americans will see and hear cohen in a public hearing of the
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oversight committee. cohen implicate ed president trp in campaign finance regulations. >> why the false statements before our committee when he first appeared? did they go beyond what he told us about moscow trump tower into other areas as well? who would have been aware of the false testimony he was giving? what other light can he she had no thaw he's cooperating. >> in the last hour i asked representative mike quigley a member of the house intelligence committee whether he plans to ask cohen about the business dealings of the president's children. >> i think it's fair game. the fact of the matter is i don't think don junior was candid with us as one. one we'd like to bring back. >> and deciding how to react.
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congressman schiff is ready to subpoena special counsel robert mueller to get most if not all of his findings. >> a remember that gets to the truth and that gets out there, and if that truth indicates that president trump committed no crime impeachable or otherwise, so be it. if it independents case he did, that's a much more complicated world. >> as to what's happening today, 2020 democratic presidential candidates are back out on the campaign train. kamala harris has three stops and sat down in an interview that aired about half an hour ago. listen to what harris said about the urgency of addressing climate change. >> -- and we have an administration that is focused on spewing science fiction instead of science fact. we were part of a group of nations who understood that
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collectively were can make a difference, and we have got to take seriously, all of us, the reality that if we don't act and act with a sense of urgency, it will be to our collective peril. >> amen to that. also, just a few moments ago, oprah winfrey released her interview with beta o'rourke who says he is still considering a run for the presidency. oprah asked what does he know for sure about immigration in the u.s. >> millions of people working the hardest jobs, contributing to their maximum capacity despite the fact they don't have citizenship and status in the country we must legalize beginning with dreamers. more than a million young people who, if i could, i would make u.s. citizens today. not only because it would be good for them it would be fantastic for this country. >> also new today a number of senate republicans expected to go against the president next week after a resolution blocking
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his emergency declaration passes in the democratically controlled house. from the white house, we have more. for the president overall optics as well as politically, how bad is this for the president? >> reporter: there's politics in everything in washington. good afternoon to you. this gets to fundamental questions about the foundations of american democracy. the principles of checks and balances. the power of the purse held by that entity formed by article 1 of the constitution, the united states congress. that is what will be voted on. nothing less than that. on the house floor on tuesday when the house takes up that resolution to bar the president from going around congress and that power of the purse, declaring a national emergency and diverting billions of funds from military construction projects and other sources to building that wall he has talked about for so long. it's going to be a close call in the senate. in the house, a forgone conclusion on tuesday when they vote. under the rules, the rules passed in a law in 1976 setting
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forth this procedure, the senate would have 18 days after house passage to take up this measure. it is not expected to pass with an override majority. in other words, a two-thirds of the senate of whether or not, whether it actually has a majority of the senate is an open question. lindsey graham, of course, the trump whisperer, the republican from south carolina, he had harsh words for fellow republicans this morning. he's telling them to get in line behind president trump on this vote. >> we might lose a few republicans in the senate. all you need's 51 to get it out of the senate. some people believe that emergency declaration can lead to democrats in the future doing the same thing on other issues. that's not my concern. my concern is a broken border. it's not a -- to my republican friends, it's clear to me they're not recognizing president trump, one. they're not having the same attitude about barriers under trump as they did obama.
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you're basically legitimizing marginalizing the trump presidency by not -- by not standing by the president. >> reporter: alex, you heard lindsey graham conceding likely it will have enough votes to pass in senate but not the 67 it would need to override the presidential promised veto. said he would veto that legislation. to override it, 20 republicans cross the aisle to vote with democrats and it's not likely to happen. >> thank you for that. mike viqueira. talking further with democratic congresswom wowoman katie hill california. welcome back to the broadcast. glad to see you. before we get to michael cohen, what mike just said there. is there enough republican support for the resolution to block the president's emergency declaration to override any promise the veto the president has said? what do you think? >> listen, we have to see. i hope that the republicans are
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going to start coming around to this notion that it is a dangerous game to be playing with congressional powers like this. they don't want to be on the receiving end of that either. frankly, i think even as democrats i don't want to see a democratic president overreaching their authority. we have a three-branch system of government because we want to be able to counterbalance an authoritarian government and that's frankly what we're dealing with now. >> can i just ask. it strikes me somewhat confounding, mitch mcconnell so vehemently opposed to allowing this emergency declaration to go forward. reported left and right and every which way he said to the president, don't do this da because -- now he's like, okay. let's support it. how did that happen? >> blows my mind. shows two things. "morning joe" saw no other way out for the president. he knew that we had to get the government funded. another shutdown would have been just as bad for him and for
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senate republicans as it would have been for the president. and now this is the way that the president can save face. i think senator mcconnell is basically going under the assumption this isn't going to really work. that this will be held up in court. this is going to get blocked one way or the other, and so he's willing to just say, oh, yeah. sure. go for it. because he knew there had to be some kind of a way out for the president. but it is -- the willingness to be hiypocritical nerve ceases t amaze me every single time. unreal. >> get to michael cohen, testifies before your committee wednesday oversight there. look, always admitted to lying to congress once. are you going to believe anything that he says? >> well, first of all, i think that now he has nothing to lose. he's been convicted. he has clearly been -- he's lost whatever kind of loyalty had had towards donald trump in the first place. you know, he's been the victim
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of witness intimidation, all kinds of things like that. i think the position he's in now is certainly different than it was before. mainly, that i really don't think he has anything to lose. so that said, we have to take it with a grain of salt and our goal is to ask the questions and to show what we can to the american people, and then it's up to everyone who's watching in the same way we're going to be to determine whether they think he's telling the truth or not. >> topics he is able to talk about are limited. they include things like payments to the women made before the 2016 election, a financial disclosure, taxes. what's the number one question you have for him? >> i'm looking at the conflicts of interest and i think the financial disclosures and taxes is where -- i believe strongly in following the money. seeing where that leads. the things i'm most concerned about are in many cases going to be what he testifies in front of the intelligence committee about, but it is those ties to russia. it is those ties to foreign interests that really put the safety and security of american
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people in jeopardy. that's, finding those clues, looking at what we can see around issues that surround that is what we need to focus on but, again, it's all about bringing these things to light and -- letting people make their own judgments as to what they believe to be true. >> why is yours the only public hearing? >> well, there's so much classified information that goes into these intelligence committee briefings. so we can ask, ask the questions and i think that's one of the reasons we felt strongly we needed to have it in this committee, because it is the only forum for it to be done openly. >> he was in the senate intel's committee's office thursday. testifying in front of that committee tuesday. your committee pre-interviewed cohen, or have you? actually i was asking the question. have you pre-interviewed him? have you had access to any documents ahead of the testimony? >> personally, i have not. i know that we're planning on getting a number of documents
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from the committee staff in the next day or two. so we will have some kind of pre-testimony information, but i haven't gotten any yet. >> okay. very interestingly, we know that cohen separately recorded conversations with donald trump. are we going to hear any of those tapes, or are they at all going to be made public. >> i would hope they will be made public at some point. i don't know that will happen in our committee. again, we have to ask the questions and maybe asking the questions what kind of tapes, and what kind of conversations those included might come up in our committee. >> do you foresee any others e want to get in front of your committee relative to these issues beyond michael cohen? >> oh, my gosh. everyone. anything shrouded in secrecy. legitimate secrecy in many cases. right? things going through a number of investigations that -- for the department of justice shouldn't be bringing to light but we have that ability.
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right? i think that the american people deserve to know what's going on here. especially given that we don't know what's going to come of this mueller report. how much of it will be made available and this is where the power's congress comes to play. we need to be able to show all the different pieces coming together and that create kind of this overarching picture of corruption and of an administration that is not loyal to the american people and has instead is accountable to other interests whatever those may be and we have to bring it all to light so the overarching image can be painted for the american people. >> california congresswoman katie hill. very much look forward to our next conversation. thanks. >> thank you so much. gauging the president's mood and the mood inside the white house ahead of what promises to be explosive testimony on capitol hill this week. itr just. the best a man can get. gillette.
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michael cohen is going to jail for lying to mike committee. obviously step one is to re-ask him the questions that he felt he needed to lie to us about when he testified in the last congress. so we're going to want to get to the truth, allow him to correct the record and then, of course, the question is, okay, now that we know the truth, what are the follow-ups? >> that was congressman jim hymes of the house intelligence committee on some of the questions he wants to raise during michael cohen's testimony their. joining me now, white house correspondent for "time" magazine and jeff mason, white house correspondent at reuters. welcome to you both. i'm curious your sense, jeff, of
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the president's mood. the mood of the white house. all of those behind you there, behind you on the lawn there, ahead of the cohen testimony. what's your read? >> i think it's hard to answer that question without mentioning the fact the president is about to leave for vietnam. he goes tomorrow morning to vietnam to have a summit with north korean leader kim jong-un. i think he's very focused on that as well as white house officials focused on that. in that same split screen on their minds and ours that this testimony is happening back in washington. it's something they are aware of and keeping track of and will be preparing to respond to. in fact, if the president ends up taking questions from us reporters during that trip, if we get information about what michael cohen has said, then no doubt we'll be asking questions a be that in addition to the summit. i think in general, they're looking forward to the summit, but this is -- this piece of what's going on back here is certainly overhanging or
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overshadowing that as well. >> i'm curious what you're hearing on this front, and on point i earlier said the president tweets a lot. right? i thought maybe he'll be tweeting about what's heard out of this testimony, public testimony on wednesday, but if you do the math, timewise, you know, he's going to potentially be speaking at that time as well with kim jong-un. so jeff puts it very well. there's a two-prong, a separate screen what's going on and huge issues, both of them. >> right. look, cohen was supposed to testify before and that testify was delayed but in that previous iteration we saw trump tweeting ahead of it calling cohen ay whoer, suggesting he had family issues. i think jeff is right. the timing in this case, trump is much more focused on his meeting with kim jong-un and that might mitigate some of the tweeting we might have seen otherwise. there are a lot of things cohen could talk about wednesday trump wasn't be happy to hear and he made clear he was nervous about
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cohen's testimony. >> absolutely. whether the president timingwise is able to watch direct himself or briefed as you suggested, what do you think he most fears about michael cohen's testimony? >> it's hard to say. i mean, omarosa said to you this weekend, alex, michael cohen could speak a little bit about the trump children. and inner workings of the trump organization and finances. as we all know, the president has been reluctant to say the least of getting his tax information out in the public. anything about the finances of his organization and anything that perhaps michael cohen would allege his children had done would certainly be something that would upset him. in general, though, you can expect the president to discredit anything that cohen says and call him a liar and perhaps use the term "rat" again which he's used before, because of his testimony previously and
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what he has said previously to this week. >> yeah. you mentioned om ram eed omaros. let's actually play this. >> there is no question that that big, red life of president trump is his children, particularly ivanka. if michael cohen implicates his children you will see him simply become unhinged. >> the title of her book. how might that look? do you agree it's the kids more so than the finances, her intimation there. >> the kids, yes. they've always been something that as she said is a red line for the president. cohen on wednesday is not going to be talking about russia or anything related to robert mueller's ongoing investigation, but as ticked through a bunch of other things he could talk about including the children as relates to some of the business interests, i think broadly this
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is all a reminder that whenever mueller's investigation ends and there have been many rumors about when that might be, but whenever the investigation ends that is not the end of president trump's legal problems, or the legal questions surrounding some of trump's conduct, because as i said. everything we will hear from cohen on wednesday, there's a lot to talk about, won't actually be related to mueller's investigation or the russia question. so i think as i said it's a reminder that there are a lot of questions out there and a lot of potential legal problems 0 ut there for the president and maybe for his children that won't end with mueller's investigation. >> speaking of the mueller investigation, something certainly on the mind of those in the white house. take a listen to part of what the president said recently about it as well as his aides relative to the mueller report. here it is. >> we're seeing the same reports that you are. >> read it like you will. whatever's released, made public. >> i look forward to seeing the report. >> spend tens of millions of dollars in two years looking for
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collusion. >> there was no collusion. >> there was no collusion. if it's an honest report it will say that. >> we feel good about the facts that what we've said all along the last two years will be cleared. >> we'll be ready. >> and ask you both this and go first, tessa. is there behind-the-scenes, despite the appearance of not being concerned, is there, you know, the wailing and gnashing of teeth behind the scenes right now on this? >> sure. of course there are concerns, because the fact remains that no one knows what mueller's report will say or what it will even look like, and a white house official actually told me a few days ago it's not even clear at what point in the process the white house will get to see the report. you know, they're not even sure when they will be looped in. so there is for sure concern and questions within the white house about what the report will say, when they will get to see it, and, you know, what the final result will be. >> what are you hearing on this? insights on that you can share? >> yeah. the insight i would share is
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related to whether or not the report itself once it gets passed from robert mueller to the attorney general, whether or not that will be then shared with the public. i spoke to a white house official recently making a strong argument for the fact that ag barr does not need to release it or make it public. perhaps that's something the white house is counting on or hope that will happen. the president was asked about that in the oval office the other day and said he hadn't spoken to the attorney general about it but no doubt would refer to it at some point. that's one of the questions. once this report is finished and is turned in, how much of it will actually be shared with the rest of the world? >> hang on a second. when you say this white house official tells you that william barr does not have to share this report. you're speaking about that spr a legal perspective i presume? >> correct. >> any discussion from the court of public opinion what american citizens expect? let alone congress.
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>> i mean, i mentioned actually in that conversation, i said, don't you think that the attorney general will feel some pressure to get this out? and that pressure would be from the public and would be from all of us who have been watching this process play out over the last couple years. his response to me was it doesn't seem like mr. barr is somebody who caves under pressure. >> okay. thank you both. good to see you. a new warning from north korea to president trump just days before his second summit with kim jong-un. will it undermine the talks when the two come face-to-face on wednesday? shouldn't mean going back to the doctoro just for a shot. with neulasta onpro patients get their day back... to be with family, or just to sleep in. strong chemo can put you at risk of serious infection.
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check in from afar with remote access, ♪ and have professional monitoring backing you up with xfinity home. demo in an xfinity store. call, or go online today. today there are new warnings from north korea just three days before the two leaders meet. north korea state news agency says if talks end without results "the u.s. people will never be cleared of the security threats that threw them into panic." with me now, bill richardson, former ambassador to the united nations and work and issues surrounding north korea for decades and quite successfully so, i might add. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> very, very important times. what that was said, that rhetoric from north korea. what does that mean? >> that the talks are not going
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well. we're pressing hard for north korea to dismantle nuclear weapons, denuclearization and north korea doesn't want to do it. it's as simple as that. now, it's good that the summit is taking place. tensions reduced, but my worry, alex, is that the president with all of these other distractions, the mueller investigation, the shutdown, the -- the congress relationship not good, that he's going to make some concessions that are not in our interests. that's my worry. >> like what? what would be the things that would happen that would be reducing sections? not coming to the kind of agreement on defining denuclearization? what are the concerns you have? >> that he'd first say we're going to give them the end of the korean war, and i don't think we're ready to do that. that's a big concession, because it means reduction, possibly, of american troops with south
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korea. secondly, that he not demand as we had before an inventory of all the north korea weapons in north korea. all the missiles. and, third, that we agree to a very vague definition of denuclearization. longer range -- so i'm worried that the president, because of these distractions, domestically, is not going to listen to his advisers and interesting here i'm rooting for john bolton, a hard-liner that's going to hopefully say, mr. president, you can't agree on something on denuclearization that is soft, inconsequential that is weak. you have to demand some kind of dismantling of some weapons, some missiles. north korea is not going to dismantle all of them. more on repate treeiati treriat soldiers. liaison between the two countries, u.s. and north korea. that's good.
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the talks that shifted from arms control and denuclearization to peaceful relations between the two countries. that's not good. >> look, one thing that has been a sticking point, been made fairly clear north korea wants the united states to reduce the number of troops in south korea and that would then help define what denuclearization is. despite the hard water or dismantling actual missiles's is that something that the president may go there? and is that a problem for you? >> it is a problem for me. because the president on the first summit already went there. he said we're going to reduce our military exercises with south korea. now, there are 30,000 american troops in south korea. the south koreans really want us to make an agreement with north korea because they're affected the most. i think the south koreans, the president is going too far. he's pushing president trump a
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little too far to make concessions to north korea. step by step, release sanctions, if they do something. i think we've got to be very careful. so, yeah. i'm a little worried about that, because it's not just our troops affecting south korea. they affect japan. we've got to help our allies in japan, in the whole region. so i'm a little concerned. now, i do think the president deserves credit for reaching out to kim jong-un in the past, but he shouldn't, because of all of these distractions on his own without listening to his advisers and he has a good north korea peace envoy. stephen biegun. i've talked to him. just listen to them. don't overdo it. don't make too many concessions. you know, the summit just results in a handshake. so be it. >> yeah. >> but that -- >> be prudent in all of this. >> just keep talking to them. that's my worry. >> before i let you go, venezuela. it is a mess down there.
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what can the united states do, if anything? what should we do to help alleviate tensions there? human karen aid is one thing. on that best we can. what's your greatest concern? >> the u.s. policy makes sense, support guaido, get humanitarian aid in, find countries to the support us. the problem is there's violence there, people are dieing. >> yes. >> we need some kind of peaceful envoy. i think we need to get the pope involved. he's argentine, american latin, the u.s., portuguese, gutierrez. we need a new dynamic and it's not us, because we're tied in too much with the reform movement, which is good, but we're doing the right thing there. the problem is, it could erupt in violence and we have to avoid that. >> i will have you back anytime. always good to talk with you. long distance versus in the studio.
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thank you. back to capitol hill and amid the investigations and emerging party for democrats and perhaps the public obtaining the president's tax returns. joining me now, representative don beyer, democrat from virginia, member of the house ways and means committee which has the power to demand those returns. congressman, thank you for joining me, sir, and leaving aside that the american public deserves to know, give me the legal rationale for obtaining the president's tax returns? >> alex, really the most important question, because the way the law is written we don't actually have to provide a legal rationale. in a majority of the house, ways and means committee demands it, passes it, the irs is supposed to turn it over. but we fully anticipate the white house, president trump, will fight back. ask for injunctions, maybe take it all the way to his republican supreme court. we're trying to build the most bullet-proof legal case for why the public should be able to see these tax returns. >> what kind of progress have you been able to make? you and your committee, in the
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effort to obtain the president's tax returns? how are you preparing it, if the president and the white house put up a big legal fight against releasing them? >> and that's why we haven't done it yet, because we're trying to make sure we've crossed all the ts, dotted all the is. part of it is looking not just what's in the tax returns but what's not in the tax returns. what about 666 fifth avenue? additions to mar-a-lago and trump tower that should be treated as income but don't show up in the tax returns? everyone wants to follow the money, obviously. how has saudi arabian or russian money influenced the holdings? >> what are you most interested in looking at? the first thing you want to go to. >> for me, the foreign money that comes in. there have been so many weird things that trump has done as president. most specifically hs relationship with putin where unlike the rest of the western world he's given him a pass on
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everything from crimea to they're interference in our elections. what's in those tax returns that may suggest undue russian influence over him? >> i know you want to dot every i, cross every t as well you should, but are you getting pressure at all from democrats, getting anxious? they want to get this information and get on it? >> yes, we are. i don't think it's undue pressure, but it's probably one of the things that the rank and file democrats most want to see. i gave a little speech in mount vernon last night and mentioned we're trying to get trump's tax returns and they burst into applause. it was the only applause line i had, but also we want to do it correctly. >> all right. tax returns. want to ask about that. some things have given this tax season, lots of americans facing that and refunds that are down on average 17%. what are your constituents, sir, telling you about this and what can your colleagues in congress do about this? >> a perfect storm, alex.
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one hand, the tax returns are down. so many depend on those for vacations or to pay the big bills. the other piece is in places like virginia that i represent, because we can't deduct our state and local taxes anymore, many people are paying $4,000 $5,000, $10,000 more than before. all put together with the fact we see big plurality of big fortune companies pay nothing after the president's tax change. so many show multihundred million dollar profit and asking for more than a hundred million dollar refund. put it all together. people look and say this tax bill was no good for most american people. >> a sentiment we hear all over the place. >> climate change. an issue you've worked on with your committee. the president is nominated a new ambassador for the united nations. asked whether or not she believed in climate change. listen to her answer together.
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>> -- both sides that are accurate. both sides, you know, they have their own results from their studies and i appreciate and i respect both sides of the science. >> look, she's practicing diplomacy there, but her husband is a billionaire coal magnate. they are major gop donors. what are the ricks risks of her representing the united states at the united states? >> a very big risk. i don't know mnoknow ms. craft want her to be successful. we're the only country in the world with a plurality that thinks it's not real. when she struggles with major issues approaching the globe and the u.n., it's going to be tough to have this both sides perspective. >> virginia democrat don beyer, thank you so much. good to see you on the air with
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me. appreciate it. >> thank you. what happens if the mueller report comes and is not released to the public? the top democrat on the house intel committee says there is a plan and involves robert mueller testifying before congress. congd (grandma) nooooooo... (dad) nooooooo... (dog) yessssss.... (vo) quick, the quicker picker upper! bounty picks up messes quicker and is two times more absorbent than the leading ordinary brand. (boy) hey look, i got it. bounty, the quicker picker upper.
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laying out these options this morning. >> well, we will obviously subpoena the report. we will bring bob mueller in to testify before congress. we will take it to court if necessary, and in the end i think the department understands they're going to have to make this public. i think barr will ultimately understand that as well. >> joining me now, msnbc contributor former director of strategic operations for hillary clinton's campaign, and an msnbc political analyst and republican strategist co-founder of the women's public leadership network. hi hi guys. good to see you. and start with the thorn between the roses. what do you think the trump administration is thinking in terms of a plan to handle the report? is there an understanding it's going to need to be made public or it's going to be unavoidable? >> a fight probably going to be unavoidable. there is not, i think, a droe g
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i growing interest putting it on the street. not just an internal battle amongst republicans in the senate, for example, to push this out or keep it on the shelf, but certainly with the white house itself, because they don't know exactly how this is going to play out. even if if, you know, it ostensively clears the president or shows no collusion, there are going to be so many other elements of this report that will be fodder for democrats, for example, to at least begin to talk a little more openly about the idea of impeachment hearings and certainly enough for republicans to kind of look at and go, well, we don't want to talk about that. let's move on to something else. >> yeah. >> i think this battle is just forming itself up, as we've already seen. everyone anticipated last week would be the time mueller would drop the bomb. we still don't know when that's going to be, which, of course, lends more tension to this whole exercise. >> thinking michael's right, adrian what do you think
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democrats will have to do to exhort to the tactics adam schiff laid out? >> democrats have to demand the report be made public. there are so many questions whether or not there was collusion. robert mueller has done a masterful job putting this entire sort of puzzle, if you will, together. we'll see what the report comes out with, but i think it's important for transparency purposes and important to really get a fundamental of understanding what happened in 2016 for this report to come out. alex, the iowa caucuses are less than a year away. the president's campaign and general election presidential campaign is 22 months away. the american people deserve to know when they are going to the voting booth to cast their vote their vote is not tainted by an adversarial government and this report being disclosed is an important step to ensure that people feel their vote counts in the right way when they're casting a vote. >> i want to throw at you,
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adrian, the "washington post" says democrats are watching for how quickly barr delivers a summary to congress after mueller's finding, any dely what could fear barr is covering up certain revelations. what does that mean? do you have a timeline in mind how long you think is a reasonable delay and how long's too long? >> i'm not a department of justice expert but have to believe no reason for any sort of significant delay. i would think within a couple days at the very latest, because, again, time is of the essence here. if there is, to your point, alex, any insun -- insinuation something might be changed or the president is trying to influence barr to not release thesomery, that's going to raise more questions. >> and some are raising questions, the possibility mueller has actually been writing his report in plain sight all along. if that's the case, has it not already jeopardized the trump
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presidency? look at the many other trump-linked investigations it's sparked? >> yeah. conventional wisdom leads us to believe that the many indictments that mueller handed down to members of trump's inner circle would jeopardize the presidency by now. however, i don't intend to downplay the importance of the mueller report by any means. robert mueller is a patriot. i'm most concerns about the impact that the report would have on the psyche of the american electorate. what trump will do in the aftermath is he gets more and more scared, divert and continue to make unfounded claims. we have to be really scared of what this president will do with his power in the wake of really this report being explosive. will it or won't it be explosive? look, that's out for debate. but republicans already have coalesced around the president. we know what they'll do to republican primary voters, all a democrat ploy. end of the day, let's talk about the impact the erosion of trust
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that americans will have in our institutions. that is what i'm concerned about. >> yeah. i want to get to the testimony we expect this week from the former trump attorney michael cohen and mike with you first here. i spoke with former white house aide omarosa. here's what she said about the president's red line. take a listen. >> there is no question that that big, red line for donald trump is his children particularly ivanka and once michael cohen starts sharing details that may implicate them you will see him truly become, well, unhinged. >> good at promoting her book. that said, what's your reaction? >> i think omarosa is right. always comes back to his children. particularly ivanka. one of the leverages going back to this, if allegations are in the findings of mueller is how does this impact donald junior? how does it impact ivanka?
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are they going to be somehow indicted or brought up on some form of criminal charges, conspiracy charges, that's matters to donald trump quite a bit. to am ramosa's point, you will see him, yeah, become unhinged but also see him begin to do something he's been unwilling to do to this point, bargain for a way out. >> guys good to take with you all. thank you. >> thanks. the controversy and questions surrounding hollywood's biggest night, but in the end, who is going to win the most coveted hardware?
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hey. >> what? >> i just wanted to take another look at you. >> that was a clip from the academy award nominated film "a star is born" with lady gaga and bradley cooper. the awards are tonight. the show will go on, though, without a host after kevin hart's old tweets cost him the job. the last time the oscars didn't have a host was 30 years ago. that was in 1989. deadline hollywood senior editor dominic patten is here to share his thoughts and predictions. the hostless oscar show, how is that going to play out?
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will it be a good show to watch? >> i'll tell you this, we know that queen or queen 2.0 because the great freddy mercury will be opening the show. i think that's a great start to look like the opening of the grammys. how it goes after that, alex, put your bet out in vegas if you can or new jersey because this one is going to be a wild ride. i pray to god they don't try to be ironic about the rob lowe snow white thing from back in 1989. >> oh, please. >> who knows. it could be great. most important of all with all the discussion of oscar ratings and trying to keep the time down, the one advantage of not having a host is you gain 12 minutes that usually went to be a monologue. so there might be a silver lining in what has been chaos and controversy so far. >> why have the oscar ratings been sliding in recent years? what do you think it is. >> i think it's two reasons. i think it's incredibly long. asking people on a school night or day before school to stay up until 11:30.
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ratings are judged by the last commercial pod, that's happening quite late. the other thing is from recent years there were a lot of movies that weren't block busters. this year you have big movies like black panther and star is born up for best picture. in many ways, the times are changing. the grammy ratings are down, emmy ratings, super bowl ratings are down. people are not linked into these old awards shows like they were in 1989 or 2009. it's a different world. and we're not hanging around. personally, i think the show should be one hour. that's an awards show now days would be fast. >> boom. >> you talk about the block busters, neither of which is your pick for best picture. you picked roma. give me reasons why. >> it's a depiction of upper middle class life in mexico in the early 1970s amidst revolution and class warfare and class differences happening to one particular family. alfonso is an amazing director.
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and i also think this is something that's changing the game both as a film, as a masterpiece but also if this wins best picture, this means netflix, netflix a streamer, has finally won best picture. this changes our sense of what hollywood will be. plus, it's a great movie. >> yeah. no, very true. real quick, you have rami malek, glen koclose winning. how certain are you of those picks? >> i'm very certain of glenn close. rami, i'm not a big fan of bohemian rhapsody. his freddy mercury was amazing. >> brilliant. oh my gosh. >> amazing. he was the champion. >> i totally agree. >> for that, i say he deserves to win. it's a very, very, very tight race, but that's who i'm betting with. >> okay. i'll go with you as i always do dominic patten. thank you, my friend. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the implications of manafort sentencing for the president coming up. t sentencing for the president coming up.
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well, yes, it's oscar sunday so i'm going to dash home and watch the red carpet. now i have to send to kendis gibson. >> i'm wearing my sunday best. i'm wearing salvation army, in case you're wondering. >> have a good show. >> have a great evening, alex. hello, everyone, i'm kendis gibson in new york. paul manafort's legal team has yet to respond to robert mueller's sentencing memo
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