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>> good evening, i'm katie turr, president trump is going to vietnam, michael cohen is going to the hill and we're heading into what could be one of the most consequential weeks of the presidency. michael's three day marathon begins dorm. what he has to say going on behind closed doors, this is a man that worked for donald trump for more than a decade, he says donald trump directed him to make hush money payments in the campaign and admitted to lying to congress. michael cohen agreed to testify, including mr. trump's finances, and you better believe that open hearing on wednesday will be
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must see tv. all of this is happening while they wait for mueller's report, they say they will go to court if they have to. are you prepared to take this to court? >> absolutely, if the president is serious about his claims of exoneration we will move forward. >> jake sherman is joining me tonight, author of "the political playbook." nick conficori and susan de del persio. all of the action on the hill this week, cohen has three hearings, public ones on
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wednesday, we can put up on the screen the topics expected to be covered, russia is not one of them. >> wednesday is the house oversight committee which is the most unruly of all of the house committees and it is filled, most importantly, we kind of know the contours of what will go on. democrats will do what they want today do for many mondays when it comes to this investigation, but watch for what the republicans in this committee will do, it will include mark meadows and two of the biggest defenders. today they sent a letter to the chairman of the committee saying they want rod rosenstein to come
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and talk about how dishonest he is. you're seaing the contours of the hearing break out and the politics that trump's defender wills try. >> i know that russia has been on the top of everybody's mind, i presume some of those will be asked in private, but what in public do they want to get out of michael cohen, jake? >> i think this is someone with a toronto row seat to donald trump's life. expect democrats to have, to be well scripted. i don't think you're going to see democrats all over the place. elisjah cummings is smooth and start and they will make sure that the democrats are tight. you don't get many opportunities to grill someone on live television that is going to prison.
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>> let's not forget this is michael cohen trying to rewrite his history. he said a woman could not be ra raped by her husband. he is going to rewrite it. >>. >> does that undermine is credit snblt. >> yeah, questions like did you send someone to intimidate stormy daniels? do you remember that claim she made. are you aware of any illegaltiviillegal activity by any of the children, i think he is looking to say as much as possible, just details of the business and the ongoings of the family. >> he has nothing to gain in a legal sense i think from lying
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to the committee in public. he has a lot to lose, but in that sense i think his credibility will resound with a certain audience that already wants to disbelieve him. this will be among the biggest moments. we had people turn on the president, testify against him we have not had someone to close to him able to tell us things that the president said in his own words. and they have tapes to back it up. >> we have tapes. >> well see if he has more tapes down the line, the president and his team have done everything they can to make him look like a opportunist and a liar. it is up to the trier of fact.
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>> it is not a political soundbyte. they come to the witness stand. i don't disagree with your analysis at all. >> let's talk about the other big part of the news this week and the news that could be coming next week and that in the weeks to come. that is the mueller report. the doj rules that govern a special council. then it is up to the attorney general to decide whether or not -- how much congress sees and whether or not we see anything here today. the democrats say they will sue if they need to, they will subpoena bob mueller, in the cfr it says the special council will
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deliver the report confidentially to the attorney general. the regulations say it is in the attorney general's discretion how much to release to congress or the public. that is a starting point. the democrats are a little aggressive, a little out in front because we don't know what decision is being made yet. we'll see, but i don't disagree that there should be transparency. we have been waiting for a long long time to see the results. many experts say one way or the oe other it will be public. >> neil who helped write the rules on "meet the press," here is what he said would happen. >> they're protection is like 60 grand jury protections. the republicans pierced all of that stuff.
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they turned over fast and furious information, and there will be a lot more pressure on mueller. >> the democrats really want to see this report. they want to see anything they can from this report because they want a e full picture of what they're dealing with beyond subpoenaing what else is at their disposal? >> there is a lot of political tools they could use. the attorney general needs money for his budget. he needs money for the hearings throughout the year. they have to come up or they have to compel them to come up, but they could throw questions at them in public and increase the political pressure on him. it is harkenning back to these hearings and when thinking about mueller, congress is a political institution, this is no court of law, the rules are different and the dynamics are ditcfferent, a
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we have to keep that in mind. when the mueller report comes out we have to remember these are political exercises and shows. >> impeachment is a political exercise and it doesn't have to meet the standard of what a criminal indictment would be. rod rosenstein was talking today about the guidance he always gave his -- >> court and we have no business making allegations against american citizens. >> we're going to get into that, does that mean if they're not prepared to prove that donald trump or folks on his campaign committed a crime they should not say anything at all? >> it is possible. historically d.o.j. has been very care ffuled in their prosecutions. i think they will be
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extraordinarily careful of their application of the facts, and everything around this mueller report is a ket of question marks within question marks. we don't know how narrowly or broadly she, and we're not sure hour barr construes his responsibility to the rest of us, for what is good for the democrats. it could be something of a nothing burger and it would help the president to have it released. >> if he doesn't release it, if he doesn't say release this report or as much as you can, does that mean that nestle he has something to hide? >> maybe we'll see that he will start going after certain people. trying to discredit and muddy the waters. to nick's point we have no idea how this report is going to be
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presented. a lot of folks, myself included, put a lot of faith in seeiaying mu mueller is a man of integrity and there is nothing to pursuit. >> let's talk about what justice department envisioned. when you're talking about an investigation into a president that maybe he can't be diindict, but maybe he could be impeached. >> it doesn't necessarily mean that it is true. >> but that could be -- i'm not suggesting that mueller would go ahead and indict a sitting president, but it be moves hoov when people say it can't be done. and they don't get you relief in court. in reality this is a big double
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edged sword here. politically if it is perceived the report is going one direction and everybody is for transparency and openness, then they will pivot like a ballplayer if they perceive it is in reverse. so for me as a lawyer, i have been doing it 33 years and it is funny to watch that process. so you are so right, you don't know what is in there yet. everybody is pivoting. >> if you don't -- if you're going to have an american public that will put on it whatever their impressions of the investigation have been so far, whatever they want the investigation to be, isn't that an argument for william barr to make it as public as possible? >> i think it is a reasonable argument that special council has not found evidence of offenses that would be dietble -- indictable. counter to that, but the counter to that is democrats will say if
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there are things we would impeach him for, we want that information. >> and he has other things to be referred to other districts. the report may or may not -- >> he is releasing a lot of what you would call speaking indictments. should we expect to see another one? has it given democrats the road map they need? >> that is a great point and i want to amplify what you worked in about hillary clinton. james comey committed the cardinal sin from a straight cross cue tor yal crime. they did fact a, b, and c. and everybody in politics says wow, you don't do that. legally, but to your point,
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given the thurst, it is hard to say to the extend of what aep speaking indictment presentation. >> we will see, it will come at some point, guys. doug burns, thank you very much, nick and susan, you're saying with us. ahead how much of the mueller report will we see? we're going to continue with that conversation and talk to a democrat that is pushing for as much as possible. and hollywood drama. why it made donald trump unhappy. drama why it made donald trump unhappy. at fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan
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world, first and foremost given we have been on the edge of our seats, everyone in this country needs to know what happened. >> welcome back, that was jim hoo hymes arguing that every american needs to know the extent of russian interference. and for many the only way to know is to make the special report public. david cicilini wants to make it public. >> absolutely, this is a two year investigation that resulted in 199 criminal charges against 39 individuals and organizations. four convictions and people are going to prison. it was far theed on behalf of the american people and they have the right to see the conclusions on it it is very important to see the results of
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this special investigation. >> it is not your decision, it is the attorney general's decision, what will you do to try to wrestle back control. >> we're introducing education that will require more to be made public. we can also bring mr. mueller or others before the judiciary committee and subpoena the report, that might result in litigation but we're prepared to do that. i think there is real consensus that the american people have a right to see this report and we will do everything we can to make sure they can see it legislatively, through the court system, through the subpoena process, we have a responsibility to make sure this investigation done on behalf of the american people will be shared with the american people. >> will it surround the secrecy
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of grand judries, what will you get out of the report, it would mean a lot of redactions. >> it is certainly important for oversight to have the results of this investigation. many people arguing it may be the only response to the misconduct that mr. mueller found will be an impeachment proceeding. we won't know that until we see the report and see the findings that he made and the interviews he conducted and the information that he has collected. i'm concerned because he has some discretion in this area. mr. barr would not commit to sharing this with congress or the american people. this is an important investigation. we have a right to know what happened in the attack by the
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rub sh russians, but seeing the result of this investigation is really the beginning of congress's work. >> there is millions of people that will aagree with you on that point, but what sort of argument will overcome the rules that surround the appointment of a special council. >> we have oversight responsibilities, subpoena power, we have the right to bring and collect evidence to discharge our constitutional duty to do oversight. i think we have many, many arguments that would compel this, there are claims made with executive privilege. some of that may be waived. it would have to be limited, but democrats are prepared to do everything we can, to fight as hard as we can through the courts, the court of public opinion, until the american people get the truth and get to see the results of this investigation. >> are you turned putting robert mueller before court would be to
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political? >> no, i think he conducted the investigation with extraordinary indeg integri integrity. he will deliver the facts as he found them in a useful way for the committee and the american people. >> let me play rod rosenstein today talking about transparency. >> it can be misleading if you're overly transparent about information the government collects. i think we need to be cautious about that. >> what do you make of that warning. i think we always have to be careful when we collect information. we have the responsibility to assess the credibility, vor ras -- voracity and weight of the evidence. that is an excuse not to share with congress or the american people what you uncovered in this investigation.
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>> how do you convince those not on your side, not democrats, that don't necessarily believe in the investigation that that what you're doing is not political and is necessary. how do you try to find a way to bring those doubters over to your side? >>. >> this is an incredible challenge if has been so difficult for me to understand that this was an attack on our country, on our democracy, it should not be republican or democraticic issue. and that is why i think you see that the american people believe in the investigation, i think history will judge my harshly. but hoping they will understand that what is at stake is the integrity of our democracy, the
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security of our elections, and see the work of the special council in the next two years to say can prevent it from happening again, but for holding the individuals actable that may have engaged in misconduct. so whether or not the stone indictment is the last indictment that we will see, and your colleague said we believe there will be other indictments, who are those people? >> i don't know if this is the last committee, we have many questions from a number of witness witnesses. >> does he know more than you
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do? >> he may have information they don't have. so people who testified falsely will be held accountable. so not having this report furnished to us will impede that responsibility. >> i think a lot of folks out there would like to see the entire report in full, congressman, i'm not going out on a limb with that i'm sure. >> thank you for joining us. ahead the summit part two. president trump and kim john u.n. meeting fate to face. meet. woman: this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock.
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never spoke to anyone about, and we think it will be a very good something. >> welcome back at president trump makes his way to his second meeting with president trump. they are expressing concerns that donald trump will give away more than he gets in return. one of the worst possible outcomes is he makes a crazy deal pledging to withdrawal u.s. troops for a vague promise of denuclearization. multiple u.s. intell assessments show north korea has advanced both nuclear weapons and ballistic missile programs. take a listen to the director of national intelligence, dan coats, just last month. we assess that north korea will seek to retain their wmd cape abouts and is unlikely to give up their production
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capabilities. >> joining me from the pentagon, courtney coubie. former director of korea and japan and oceanic affairs. courtney, this is your reporting, what to sources say north korea has been doing? >> it doesn't mean their program has stops, but they're continuing to develop, they're continuing to work and produce and work on both programs. we know that from u.s. intelligence assessments. u.s. officials are not denying that, they're not denying they're continuing to work, but
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president trump continues to say by virtue of the fact they're no longer testing these missiles and launching them that that is a win, but when you have a large summit like this, usually youd have a series of meetings in advance, so by the time they sit down together, we know there is a sense of what they will be running on. steve beigen. he was not able to meet with his counter parts until january. there a sfast and rapid series f meetings, but they will sit down this week without a lot of visibility on what they may be discussing, katie. >> why do some analysts worry
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they may pull out of south korea. why do you think they could agree to do that in the next meeting? >> president trump spoke in the past about how expensive the troop presence there is. and he is misstating the amount of money that south korea spends. >> and he inflates the total number of u.s. mill stair stationed there, but the number that are deployed and stated on the peninsula runs about 28,000 total. >> the president says
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repeaticalrepeat ical edly that he duntt believe that north korea is a threat any more. it is u also mike pompey owe that had this exchange other the weekend. >> do you think north korea remains a threat? >> that is not what he said, he tweeted there is no longer a nuclear threat from north korea. he said the efforts that were made in singapore has substantially taken down the risk. keeping the american people secure. they are aiming to achieve that. that is a direct quote. >> that was just a direct quote. what do you make of the disconnect between those two men? >> we knee is not the case.
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and since the summit, they have been developing and extending their program because there is no agreement that has come out of singapore. this is why we need to get more concrete items out of the hanoi summit. and in terms of troop withdrawal, i think that possibility is now a little bit less because u.s. and south korea and to an agreement, but there is certainly a risk for president trump, a one on one meeting, that it is possible in his term. even if he does not announce troop withdrawal in this summit, it is certainly a possibility in the future. this is why every is worried
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about it. what they want to spin for what they believe. andrew mccabe talked about the mueller investigation, and donald trump, and jeff sessions, and how donald trump interprets intelligence from north korea. he said he didn't believe intelligence in a north koreans had the capacity for icbms because vladimir putin said they do not. >> and he has cast doubt on his intelligence committee from the first day in office. it is not that surprising. it is a creditive nation. they could tell you this but it
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is not always a high confidence level, the kwi that they could be withdrawn, that is lessenned compared to what it was a few weeks ago before the u.s. watched this burden sharing agreement, but they almost reached a concentrating resolution. generally they're several years long, this one was just for one year, but there are other things that officials are delling us they may be considering that might be on the table for next week including creating intersections like a bare bones facility. >> what is the alternative here? is it better for donald trump not to be meeting with kim jong un? is it better for them to both
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ratchet up their rhetoric? continuing to see north korea test ballistic missiles, is that the alternative? >> i think those are false alternatives, there is something else, but here we are where we are and all i'm asking from president trump is that he does not prematurely declare piece when there is no peace, and try to get north korea a peace declaration. we need to get something in return. something like declaration of their nuclear missile program, agreed upon road map, a time line, at least agree on a deaf nice of denuclearization. we're still eight months after the singapore summit. just agree on the definition of denuclearization. >> when you're negotiating, you're having a conversation, you're debating, whatever it is, it is always important to first define your terms to make sure
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everyone is on the same page. >> ahead, is the white house's new climate science plan to deny climate science. nce plan to deny climate science. ♪hold on, i'm comin' ♪hold on, i'm comin' ♪hold on don't you worry,♪ ♪i'm comin' ♪here we come, hold on♪ ♪we're about to save you i'm comin', yeah♪ ♪hold on don't you worry,♪ ♪i'm comin'
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>> who believes in global warming? raise your hand, wow, not up, huh? >> do you know they have won numerous environmental awards. >> many environmental awards. >> so many environmental awards. >> a very, very old boeing 747, with the old engines spewing carbon and every other thing, i don't think it hurts the air, but that's a whole other thing. >> do i not say that. >> global warming, a lot of people think is a hoax. >> thank you everybody, theank you very much. the washington post reports that the trump administration is setting up panel to counter the climate change consensus, and it is a consensus.
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time now for "the lid." the president is creating this committee to contradict his own administration's climate change findings. jake, as you well know the democrats are running on climate change. there is a big push among some house democrats as well. what do you make of this imagine the president is setting up in order to challenge what is
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accepted science. >> i don't think this is adequately explored, but i can tell you more and more republicans believe it is untenable when it comes to climate change. i don't mean that there is suddenly a come to jesus moment about climate science and changing their views on climate science. but i think a lot of republicans i've spoken to say they need to have some sort of answer about the massive changes that we all see in the environment besides saying no, they're not happening. and that's kind of been their default position up until now. >> what is it? because of the wildfire, the hurricanes? what exactly has opened their eyes? >> i really do think it's partially the green new deal and the success of the green new deal, both politically and substantively, and the fact from a political point of view you have alexandria ocasio-cortez saying basically, well, nobody else is talking about this, so i am going to talk about it and talk about it forcibs foforcefu. but i think republicans feel that they need to come up with
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some sort of answer. and you saw today a chunk of ice the size of new york city is about to break off, threatening a huge iceberg. there are big issue, and i think the republicans feel like the nation is shifting, the electorate is shifting, and they have to come up with an answer that don't know, don't believe it, it's something else that is going on. >> susan, you're nodding along. >> it is. it's time the republicans wake up and accept the science. >> they used to accept the science. >> they used to. there used to be a time where -- >> was it under debate? >> it was not. and now donald trump is creating a committee to support his lies. and that in itself is disturbing. but, you know, republicans do need to wake up. they need to start addressing issues that middle of the road americans recognize and believe in. when you bring up the fires or the storms and you talk to farmers who can't get a good planting done or wipe them out, those are the voters that republicans try and talk to. they need to kind of say, all
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right, we'll wake up on this. >> it's already affecting crops. washington or somebody saying i don't believe climate science because it was cold, people are wise enough to know just because it's cold where you are, it doesn't mean it's cold everywhere. >> weather is not climate. i see two things going on. the first is the president view that it's a hoax used to be more of a default position on the right. the new default position is i think it's happening. i'm not sure how bad it is, and at any rate, it's too expensive to deal with in any reasonable way. so what you need is some science of some sort to back that up. the second thing going on i think, remember, if you're trying to unwind a bunch of regulations having to do with co2 and carbon dioxide, what you need are some new studies and evidence that you can point to in court and proceedings for regulation, and this creates essentially a set of alternative facts for the president and his backers on climate, and that's part of it. >> look at what the president
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tweeted, and it's a dumb tweet. i'm just going to say it. it's probably one of the dumbest tweets he has sent out. in the beautiful midwest, windchill temperatures are reaching minus 60 degrees, the coldest ever recorded. in coming days expected to get even colder. people can't last outside even for minutes. what the hell is going on with global warming? please come back fast. we need you. he loves to show off how ignorant he is. but he's got to know that extreme temperature, people say it to him all the time. extreme temperatures equals global warming. just because warming is in the name, maybe it's a bad name. >> what was it 544 days? >> 510 days on the campaign. >> i'm sorry. 510 days. didn't mean to make it feel longer. and you've seen him talk about it. >> but the economic impact is serious, jake. and the numbers from that
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congressionally mandated report showed the u.s. leaving billions of dollars in crops, in economic losses, et cetera, with the effects of climate change, the weather changing and maybe less days where you can harvest or water or the ocean's rising and losing parts of cities or wildfires devastating more portions of the united states. is that getting to anybody? do any republicans see an economic opportunity to start driving cleaner energy? and if so, is that going to be the thing that gets everybody back on the same page eventually? >> no, probably not, to be frank. i think republicans look back at the obama administration and what they see is the government's inability to spur on some of these clean energy investments, and they believe they were a boondoggle, and they don't want to go back there. and frankly, a lot of experts --
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i'm not an expert, but a lot of experts do believe the government involvement in these industries is the only way to make them economically sustainable on a small scale so republicans are not willing to go there. the president clearly is not willing to go there. and listen, the republican, the base of the republican party on capitol hill, a huge part of it is agricultural america. and so maybe it's two years from now. maybe it's four, six, eight years from now, but republicans do still represent a huge swath of the midwest and of agricultural america. perhaps that will be a political impetus in five, ten year. >> as long as democrats are putting out ideas like aoc that go beyond what we're able to do in the next ten years, it gives republicans the foil that they need. and that's unfortunate. >> what's the alternative? saying okay, we'll scale it back immensely? and not attack the problem? >> but this is actually an easy win for republicans. come up with a few things that you can do, just to recognize it, just to start building your way there are private sector
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solutions. >> but the science is alarming. the science says if you don't do something now. >> but now the question is what do you to be it? and there are different proposals and there are a lot of scare tactics on both sides. but if the republicans could just use a few common sense market-based solutions to offer up that they're reasonable on this issue, it would take away some of the sting. >> i'm so happy we're talking about this more and more. it feels like a topic that keeps coming up, and it's going to be a big topic for 2020 democrats. in fact, jay inslee is staking his potentially entire candidacy on if he runs. jake, nick and susan, thank you, guys. we'll be right back. after months of wearing only a tiger costume,
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that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. hi, ari. >> thank you very much. we have a lot of stories developing tonight. democrats have a public ultimatum on the table. make this report public whenever it come, or they'll bring mueller in himself to testify to the house. and what new york prosecutors are learning from michael cohen and why the probe could be a bigger threat to trump than mueller himself. also, aoc clapping back tonight as the right launches new attacks on her. but we begin with the democrats' new warning to donald trump's new attorney general bill barr. they're telling him, look, either hand over mueller's report when it's ready, or they'll hold hearings with mueller himself. >> well, we will obviously subpoena the report. we'll bring bob mueller in to testify before congress. we will take to it court if necessary. and in the end, i think the
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