thank you for your good work. you're the only reason we know what we know because you're taking these trips and asking the questions. my thanks to brett, doug, jeremy, thank you for watching, "mtp daily" starts now. >> if it is monday, democrats are demanding documents. >> good evening and welcome to "mtp katie turr and it has been a full day of breaking news. democrats are launch investigations into potential

collusion and obstructions by the president. his family, his foreign policy, and more. they're investigating huge issues and possibly laying the grounding for impeachment. here is jerry nadler from this weekend. >> we have seen abuses of power and obstruction of justice. all of these have to -- abuses, they value to be investigated and laid out to the american people. >> these are all 81 of the individual agencies and entities that the democratics was documents from. we're going to let it keep scrolling, it will take awhile, and it is not just house judiciary, today democratic chairs and intell oversight and foreign affairs requested documents and interviews related

to trump's conversations with putin. and the president's reported efforts to hide some of those communications. this is what white house feared when democrats took control of the house and oversight of the trump administration. democrats are planning to pursue a slow bleed strategy of lengthy public hearings and scores of witnesses to methodically pick apart his finances. today, his plan is to deny, deny, deny. >> are you going to cooperate with mr. nadler. >> i cooperate all of the time with everybody. and the beautiful thing, no collusion it's all a hoax. you will learn about that as you grow older. a political hoax. there is no collusion. >> let's bring in some experts and reporters, michelle from pbs news hour.

beth fewy, susan del persio, and doug burns, a former federal prosecutor. doug, this is a lot of documents they're requesting, and it seems like what house democrats are looking for everything out there, basically to impeachment hearings without calling them impeachment hearings. >> yeah. it is very common even in regular criminal indications, forget oversight, for these broad sweerequests for document. and we all moan and then we interact with the government and we say can't we cut this down. i hope you can see your way clear to dropping the case.

if he order as u.s. attorney to drop a particular case with nothing more, it is not corruption, if there is a bribe, a offer for a job, something else, then it is. also there is the emolument's clause nap is an antibribery statute. the president of the united states being bribed by foreign powers. the last one is a look at abuse of power in general. they feel like he bullied the d.o.j. figures and it's not good for the president because as you say you have 81 people being subpoenaed and they're really very serious about this. >> beth, what do you think? is this them basically doing impeachment hearings without them doing that? >> i have to tell you i'm very puzzled by the politics of

think. you laid it out so well in terms of how a lawyer would look at it, but this is a is political process. we knew the investigations would be very targeted. make elections work better, things that are positive agenda dr driven things that had not to do with russia or trump or any of this. and the tron reason to go after people, it looks like a fishing expedition. it is certainly something they can define as a fishing expedition. >> and it is falling right into donald trump's hands saying they're out to get me. as someone that thought there was too many benghazi hearings,

and that republicans were not responsible oversight members of the oversight committee when they were in charge, i think now the democrats need to learn from that. i realize that can say well look at what republicans did, but they shouldn't. >> but there was so much to investigate, and part of the problem that i don't blame them is if the president would have released his tax file iings or his company in a blind trust, then perhaps this would not be as valid. i don't know if they're handling it publicly the best way they can. this is not the mueller investigation. they have a press strategy. >> democrats could argue listen, we were voted into taking over the house for the reason of oversight, and this is not a

fishing expedition. they don't see any one issue that will necessarily take down the president, but this is a fr strategy of a slow bleed. presenting everything he has done and try to show a common pattern. >> all of the different committees on capitol hill was a line including in all of these. congress has the right and duty to have oversight over this president. and as much as we respect the mueller investigation, our duty is as equally as important. today i was talking to white house officials and i put the duo them, what do you make of all of these document requests and what do you think go on as people start giving up news documents. the white house says that essentially we expected this ever since november since the midterm elections. the president -- after the midterm lexes, he says i'm not

going to be here if you have presidenti presidential harassment. people will start to see this as harassment, but democrats have a clear message here and that message is they want to see clear and direct oversight. they are kind of throwing up their hands. >> it seems to be occupying the president's attention. i heard this morning that president trump is waiting for the mueller report. >> robert mueller never received a vote. lying james comey, the collusion delusion. >> phoney charges of russia, russia, russia. >> the attorney general says i'm

going to recuse myself. you put people in different positions and they leave people for a long time that should not be there, and all of a sudden they're trying to take you out with bull[ bleep ], okay? >> whose strategy will be the winning strategy here. you could say according to the way you laid it out, beth, that the democrats are on a fishing. you could accuse them of being on a fishing expedition. they're not as focused enough on the issue. the president is not focused enough on the issues, he is just talking about this investigation over and over again. watching fox news, he is obsessed with it. the white house will say look at all of the things we have gotten done in this world we're leaving in, what strategy will prevail, the way the president is trying to define all of the investigations. >> obviously where you stand is

where you sit. if you support the president, you believe him. if you're one of mt. people wthe that don't, you will stay is justified. people are saying hey, congress, let's solve problems. we didn't bring in this democratic majority to go after trump lock, stock, and barrel, but because there are issues that have not been addressed yet. this feels like full on war. nancy pelosi after michael cohen had his hearing last week if we're moving on to impeachment now. she said absolutely not. there is no discussion of that, that is not what we want to do. >> and they can walk and chew gum at the same time, and they have their agenda, this is a massive precedent, they have to look like they're going about

this in a methodical way. it makes sense they're getting all of these people on board and take it like thoughtful like they're going through a process. i'm not saying they don't have the right to, of course they have the right to. that is their only indication, but they dmous it and friend in a more methodical way. >> there are legal questions worth mentioning, and that is what is the scope of congressional oversight. it exists and the courts have interpreted it. on construction, abuse of power, and they cannot go back ten years through finances like with paul manafort. it will have to be linked to his

time in office. >> if they find that he violated the constitution, the emo emolumentes clause, if they find that he violated the constitution, doesn't that mean that the democrats have, or the congress, has a duty to impeach a nat nat violated it. i'm not sure, if he violated the constitution directly and took what amounted to bribes, but by way of my analogy thing, you need more than someone stayed in a hotel, if it is a repeated program, you might have the violation that could be

impeachment. >> i just want to explain that an official i talked to today is that they see this as a first step, and they said make sure you pay attention to people not on that list. these are aids, of course general kelly being part of the staff, he used to work out the white house, they say they see this as going on and on and on and they're going to do what they legally have to do, and i read that to bleen that they're waiting for subpoenas to be issues. the white house says they don't know how they would handle, the official would not explain to me how people are no longer working at the white house, and the president's children, and there is a big kwoef whether or not the white house will be able to give a e legal backing, there is

a lot of questions there about people sayingly give you whatever you want, i don't want to become bankrupt trying to product myself and the president. >> i thought the idea that they were not particularly worried, but this this white house it's not so much that they will say we are worried. i think what we can more pay attention to is the in fact she in vietnam, and e when he gets back, it is like a venting session at cpac. he want today get this stuff off of his chest, so he had two hours worth of him talking about everything under the sun, so i think she worried and concerned about the document requests and the investigations going forward. >> let's listen to jerry nadler who is anticipating the accusation that this is all political. here is how he defends it.

but we have to lay out for the american people, and we can't commend on the mueller investigation for this. >> so they realize they're going to get the criticism. >> look, she a smart man, and they have a plan and we'll see what it is. this is not the mueller investigation, they are free to talk about it. he can tell us why they decided to take the approach they're taking, but i'm saying it feels like they're setting up a situation where his immediate defenders -- >> so they're saying this is a fishing expedition? >> yes. >> thank you very much, susan and doug, we appreciate it. you're all staying around. up next i'll talk to a democratic in the powerful judiciary committee as they launch a corruption probe that could be laying the ground work for impeachment. be laying the g for impeachmen t. ways to lose stubborn belly fat:

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welcome back, even has democrats on the committee that are launching a sweeps investigation that could provide a basis for impeachment, most democrats are stopping short of using the i word. joining me is sheila jackson lee. thank you for being here, jerry nadler, the chairman of your committee, says this probe is to look into obstruction of justice and abuse of power. when you look at all of the people called and the documents they're requesting, is this an impeachment hearing in everything but name? >> first, i think is important to establish the work of the special council and the members of the united states congress particularly on the singular committee for investigations dealing with the question of the rule of law.

the mueller report is looking into the potential and possibility of federal crimes. the congress has the ability to be the custodian of the rule of law. we're doing a methodical page by page block by block investigation and providing to the american public in an open manner unfettered questioning of individuals and review of document that's will help tell the story of this administration and those elements include corruption and the potential abuse of power. out of that building blocks may come, if you will, the point and time that we look at other responses to this administration, but we're in no hurry because we think our duty

is to be able to explain what rule of law is in this country and it does have to do with the constitution and issues of insendty. >> so when they say they're building a public record, you're basically saying you're pilding a public record that could lead you to full on impeachment hearings? >> no, what i'm saying is that the public record is crucial. everyone knows that the impeachment is a political process. it means that the people speak. we have a provision in article one that deals with the responsibility of demong they're oversight responsibilities. as duo so, we know that the american people rise to the occasion to say enough is enough. we want to make sure that we are the custodians of truth.

that is what our responsibility is. as i look at the list dealing with the individuals being asked for documents, michael cohen who gave us a litany of various trails to go down, he admitted his testimony was altered. he admitted he lied, and she going to jail for that, but he admitted that one of those that helped edit is testimony is jay seculo. mccann is on the list for his words about the security clearance list. roger stone called the president and said there will be a major

e-mail dump to harm, hurt, and undermine the candidacy of then candidate former secretary hillary clinton and that dump occurred and the president was knowledgeable of that. with all of that in place those are trail that's we have an obligation to investigate. >> chairman nadler says it is clear the president obstructed j justice, that he has violated the emoluments clause, do you belief the president may have committed a crime? >> i think as we have looked at all of the documents we're certainly near that. we certainly have evidence of intent, and we have evidence of other that's show that something

went awry. for example, the check that michael cohen, a copy of, very openly directly held up, the moneys utilized to pay regarding stormy daniels. in the time of the president's service to this nation and the fact that it came out of a private trust, or a trust under his jurisdiction, that begs the question of whether or not a crime has been committed. >> you say there is evidence of obstruction. if there is evidence of a crime, should that lead to impeachment? >> what i would argue, cakatie,s that we're in the midst of a building block. impeachment is a political process, and it draws upon the views of the american people. if we do our work right, and we

do it fairly without bias, without any attempt to get you, not a got you approach, i think people will make determinations that will cause us to look at a variety of ways to what we have. we're not prepared to make immediate judgements on that now. >> i want to delve in a little deeper and see where the line is when it comes to impeachment and if this is only a political process. if the president is found to have violated the constitution by septembaccepting bribes or g from foreign countries. if there is a report that finds that, if he is found to be guilty of violating the constitution, is it congress's duty to impeach him or try to impeach him? >> it may be congress's duty,

whether or not all you found meet that test and if that is the case then there may be processes as you so indicated that may again. my individual truview, of cours is different what i think needs to be done as go forward. again the written language is high crimes and misdemeanor. the spoking gun in the nixon case was the tapes. i think we're moving in a droex do our jobs and be methodical and look at every relevant document and every list of persons in the president's or bit. a list of individual that's have something to do with what went awry. >> i'm just wondering, with the

constitution, the president store on the bible he would protect the constitution when he was sworn into office in 2017. if he violated the constitution, if it is found he did that, it's unclear whether or not that would be a high crime and misdemeanor. >> >> the constitution stands as a standard bearer for the rule of law. the violations of the constitution are clear, then i would say to you that we're moving into a space of high crimes and misdemeanor. but again, this committee's obligation is to assess, and as our chairman as done, made general comment that's we believe crimes have been perpetrat perpetrated. obstruction of justice seems to be well documented, but we want to make it where we're listening and looking at documents because we're going to call these

documents for the american people to hear. and we will have documents to associate with their testimony, and a testament of public construction. that combination begins to lay the ground work for the pact of high cries and misdemeanor. we don't want to say an action when we know that action is partly embracing the american people. there are voices all over american crying for impeachment, and they have the right to do that. and we will allow them do their right job. >> thank you for joining us, we appreciate it. still ahead, the president's now claiming his infamous russia are you listening line was just a joke, but it sure doesn't seem like the russians thought it was a joke. biopharmaceutical researchers.

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see, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightly by our press. >> welcome back, president trump has a new explanation for that infamous moment in the campaign. he told the crowd at a conservative conference this week that it was all just a joke. >> if you tell a joke, if you're sarcastic, if you're having fun with the audience, if you're on live television with millions of people and 25,000 people in an arena, and if you say something like russia, please, if you can get us hillary clinton's e-mails, please russia, please. >> he didn't say that at a rally, it was a news conference in front of a bunch of reporters at the republican national convention after dnc e-mails were already being leaked

president at the moment i pressed him and asked him basically were you joking and here is what he said. >> do you have any qualms about asking a foreign government to hack into a e-mail system of anyone -- no you just called for it, you said i welcome them to find those 30,000 e-mails. >> they probably have them, i would like to have them released. >> does that not give you pause? >> no, gives me no paud. >> here is michael, internationinternation n international affairs analyst. i there was in the moment, he was not joking, i gave him and out and he didn't take it. >> their work was helping trump to win.

their conversation about the e-mails, and lungss it to the 30,000 missing e-mails that candidate trump did very dleb rately, that was all part of negative -- when the russians heard that they think our strategy has been working here. >> the special council released an indictment last year, i believe july of 2018 where they indicted 13 russian hackers. they say on or about that day of the news conference, the conspirators attempted to spear fish e-mails. they also targeted 76 e-mail

addresses at the domain for the clinton campaign. they say these hackers focused on hillary clinton's private servers, hillary clinton's e-mails, for the first time the day or night of donald trump asking them to do so. >> the evidence is just clear as day. i'm glad you reminded your viewers of that. i remember when i first saw those lines in the fiemt, we all i assumed that, but think about what we're talking about here? the candidate, donald trump, asking a foreign government, an enmy government, to help him win the presidential election, but i think played a very important role, and then attempted to go

further when he publicly asked them to do so. >> on our around this time, i think it's interesting to go back to the summer and look at all of the events happening around donald trump saying this, and in august, when wikileaks was ramping up their attacks on the campaign and the dnc, russia today started to ramp up their attacks on hillary clinton as well. they had a julian assange special do wikileaks have the e-mail to put hillary clinton in prison. they say the u.s. government at the time hillary clinton was in charge of the foreign policy used libya as a conduit to get arms to jihadists in syria. they would talk about her health. they mirrored a lot of what donald trump ended up talking about in the campaign when he started to go after hillary clinton. >> exactly, they're messaging

and we have a group here at stanford doing research on this. their messages was very consistent, echoing each other, and candidate trump and his organization, and the presidential campaign with them were encouraging americans to look at wikleaks. he complained many times why aren't the press, why aren't you doing more stories on wikileaks. i think in october he mentioned wikileaks 38 times, and he is linking two story that's have nothing to do with each other. the stolen e-mails from john po podesta. the survey data is she

qualified? john brennan calls his counter part at the sfb in russia, they say you have knocked it off, but later in august that didn't work, and then john brennan gets so concerned that he alerts congress. there was a "new york times" report about that. he was so concerned about russia's election meddling, it starting urgent briefings. some were securing phone lines while on their summer break. when you look at this all together, the e-mails get hacked. donald trump calls for more e-mails to get hacked. they mirror wikileaks, and the ahead of the cia is calling top

lawmakers saying we really need to focus on that top, and what did the campaign or the president know then and whether or not russia was taking orders from him or vice versa. >> those are big questions, but you're right, there is a coordinate, a massive campaign from the russians, and maybe it had the impact in the margins and this election was won in the margins. >> that is true, hopefully we will find out whatever mueller comes up with. ambassador, good to see you, thank you so much. >> ahead, president trump's epic performance that went on and on and on and on. the two hour soliloquy that still has everyone talking. sol still has everyone talking other species avoid pain

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the panel is back. let's talk about the campaign. bernie sanders did one event in brooklyn, one event in chicago. you were there. what did you think? >> if you like bernie sanders they were a huge attended success. massive crowds in chicago, the lo goes were the same. the sound track was the same. much of the message was the same, the millionaires, billionaires, 1%. talking act free tuition, a federal jobs guarantee, medicare for all, that was all vintage bernie, same stuff as 2016. the one thing that was different he talked a little more about his back story. which is why he went to brooklyn he grew up, chicago he went to college. what was more interesting to me he made a point of talking about race in a explicit way. >> diverse crowd. >> very much the 35 and under crowd. >> racially diverse, more so

than in 2016. he did talk a little more about race. >> that message he's often tried to convey that you know economic inequality is economic inequality. he started to say, no, actually black people of color do experience inequality differently and we need to act knowledge that and figure out a remedy for that. so that to me was new and quite interesting. >> race was an issue for bernie sanders. there was that one point early on in the campaign when black matt lives matter protesters, he couldn't control his own microphone. how much do you see 2020 in your estimation from what you saw in 2016, ump on the campaign with me. how big of an opening do democrats have with race and what can they accomplish if they're able to woo those voters or is donald trump going to win the minority vote if 2020? >> i don't think donald trump will win the minority vote or

people of color in this country. he may get some numbers in 2016 better than mitt romney surprisingly, i don't think that's particularly what his game is going to be of thought. >> 100% of the black vote of 2020, he has made that prom its. >> katy, we're going to assume that is not true. what i can say the democrats are under pressure to talk about diversity but to show diversity. i think that's why you saw bernie sanders talk about early saying let's not talk about the race and he understands democrats are facing a base hungry for someone to represent america and that means being a woman and a person of color as well as of course a white male. i think that bernie sanders had a lot of issues in the race in 2016. i have been talking to former black staffers who tell me they're very worried bernie sanders can go down the line of talking about race in this way that's very diverse and very divorced from the other parts of his speeches. so i think he understands there

are people out in the crowd of reporters, actual former staffers keeping him honest on race, i think lit come down to who bernie sanders is hiring, it's important nina turner is talking. as a co-chair of his campaign, i remember being at a place where he was screaming at the top of his lungs about criminal justice reform. there were people eating their lunches ignoring him completely. black african voters didn't understand it all he is doing is yelling at us. >> he is attending an anniversary march this weekend. let's challenge the narrative building out there that progressives need to be progressive in order to win the nomination for the democratic party. it's a building narrative. we still haven't seen biden come into the race. there are some other moderates that could potentially enter into this race. amy klobuchar is one of the moderates. how is the electorate looking right now? are they going to want somebody off to the left or look for someone who can build bridges

potentially with the other side? >> yeah, it's tough. right now the energy is on the left in the democratic primary. however, there is a lot of strong candidates coming forward as you said, if biden gets in, beto o'rourke, he's not, people have a hard time pink him down on issues. he doesn't come you've as a progressive per se. you can't run for senate in texas and be a hard core left candidate. mike bloomberg, if he gets in, he is certainly centrist. we will have big names potentially with money carrying a different message with folks on the left. >>. >> if they can create a certain amount of critical mass, they will look like a viable alternative to the progressive. and there is a lot of talk that to win the presidency, you cannot be an ultraprogressive. that's something for the democrats to fight out. but i think -- >> there was a lot of talk that someone like donald trump could never win the presidency. >> that is true. i say in this environment, if you want to win the presidency, you can appeal to some moderates

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district. may 16th is primary day and 16th election day. the results were thrown out after months long investigation into election fraud. so that is all for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. "the beat" with ari bell mourn begins right now. >> we begin with democrats opening up the widest investigation into donald trump since the launch of the mueller probe. the house judiciary committee, which is one of the most powerful investigative bodies of the u.s. congress has dropped the hammer officially. let me walk you through exactly what's happening. they are pushing now for evidence and documents from 81 different people, organizations and companies tied to or with knowledge of the activities of donald trump. this touches on virtually every aspect of his life in presidency and his contacts with russians. the requests go to donald trump's family,