welcome to "kasie dc." i'm kasie hunt. we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. breaking tonight, fallout from ill ilhan omar's comments on twitter. plus, paul manafort sentenced, michael cohen's credibility questioned as he sues his former boss and much of the president's campaign team back in court. and later i'm joined live by

senator macy their ono of the judiciary committee. plus, stop if you heard this one before,.president' new budget is set to come out and it's setting up a fight over, you guessed it, the border. but first breaking news from axios, leaked remarks from president trump to rnc donors at mar-a-lago on friday. according to three sources the president addressed the controversy over congresswoman ilhan omar's hunt comments many found anti-semitic by saying, quote, the democrats hate jewish people. based on axios' reporting, trubisky said he didn't understand how a jewish person could vote for a democrat. he touted all he had done with israel, noting his historic decision to move the embassy from tel aviv to jerusalem. the president mused, if he could run for prime minister of israel, he would be at 97% in the polls. the comments the president made behind closed doors go a step further than what he told white

house reporters on saturday. >> the democrats have become an anti-israel party. they've become an anti-jewish party. and i thought that vote was a disgrace and 0 does everybody el else if you get an honest answer. >> in that i would like to welcome in my panel johnathan swan in his newsletter and communications director of the trump 20 re-election campaign mark lotter. jonathan swan, i will start with you. take us behind the scenes of these remarks. you say you have three sources telling you this is what happened in the room but it sounds like they went to some lengths to try to get this from getting out there. >> it was actually in the tent is the right way to describe it. they reekterected a pool over mar-a-lago, beautiful tent with chandeliers. this time because they didn't want any leaking, they made all

of the guests put their cell phones into pouches with magnets so you had them in these magnetized pouches and you can only unmagnetize it when you left. but people remember things and store things in their mind. so, yes, what you set up is exactly right. i should add like this was received incredibly well in the room, roaring laughter, cheers, et cetera. and it was trump taking it to another level. i don't think i have heard him say flat out democrats hate jewish people but that was a direct quote. >> that was jeff mason who covers the white house every day. >> haven't heard him say that, no. >> but i think what's important here is to look at jonathan's reporting and analyze what the president is doing. this is building on what he said on friday to white house reporters. he's trying to paint himself as the only candidate who should be getting jewish votes in 2020. and trying to paint the democratic party with the broad brush because of something that one congress person said.

clearly it's created challenges for the democratic party but $not true to say all democrats hate views. >> mark, do you agree -- you're the spokesman for the president' campaign, do you think democrats hate jewish people? >> i'm not going to use that language specifically but i think it's important for this message to get out that there are many things that the democrats have done in recent years, not just in recent months with one congresswoman's quotes. let's remember president obama was widely and correct lip called t correctly called the most anti-u.s. president in u.s. history and that's something people remember. this is building upon what the president did during the 2016 campaign when he would go to different voting blocs and maybe some who did not traditionally vote republican, voted democrat, and said give us a chance. he's making the case as he's showing in many cases the actions of the democratic party have not been in the favor of

israel and this is the latest example of it. >> if this is the case, though, why are the members of congress who are jewish, the elected people, overwhelmingly democrats? there are only a handful of jewish republicans. >> i understand, it's a long, historic trend. but what the president is saying is it's time for people to break through those traditional political allegiances, take a look at the results in terms of things that happened not only just under president trump but also go back and look at some of the things that have happened in recent years, as i said, with president obama. you had the u.s. abstaining on u.n. action that condemned israel, first time in a long time, if ever, we had done that. under the previous administration, there are a lot of things that the republicans and president trump is doing that's pro-israel. >> you think that adds up to democrats hazing jewish people? >> i think there's been a lot of anti-jewish sentiment shown in recent years and this is the president highlighting it.

>> jonathan swan, setting that aside for a second, there was a lot more in the remarks. there was a comment specifically about blackface as well. what was said? >> the way it was described to me by three separate people who were in the tent was trump went on a tangent about how he was home alone at the white house over christmas and he described -- he described the scene of opening the curtain and looking out the window and seeing secret service agents with night vision goggles, and he joked they were in blackface because they had masks on, and he said now they're in blackface so we need to get rid of them or something. he was clearly making a joke about raffle northlph northam a controversy in virginia. it did sound a little -- you know, when he goats on those ta tangents. >> marc, you're kind of on the spot with these comments but is

it ever acceptable to joke about blackface? >> i think he's joking the tactical gear and masks worn by the secret service are black and given the recent controversy they would have to change that. it was a joke. again, your reporting indicated people laughed and saw that for what that was. >> so it was a joke and also the republican donors in the room thought it was funny? >> you're reporting on it. i was not in the room, so -- >> do you dispute any of this as a spokesman for the trump campaign? do you dispute anything? >> i wasn't there. when i saw jonathan's report tonight, chicked with some folks who also weren't there but heard similar stories from folks they talked to that were there. i think what's important is the context. this is the president holding court, so to speak, with close advisers, friends, longtime mar-a-lago guests and republican donors. he's telling stories. he's recounting various things. it is not prepared remarks or anything. it's the president up there engaging with folks that was well received according to your

reporting and jonathan and i think that's what it was intended to be, very just informal, story telling. >> you're saying it was sort of normal? >> i'm saying he was entertaining a crowd on many issues. those are the things you highlights. it was pretty long -- from what i understand, he spoke for a while. >> jeff mason, you covered many presidents. how would you characterize this sort of language towards jewish people, joking about blackface, compared to other presidents that you covered? >> well, i think it's been two years president trump has been in office and he ran the 2016 campaign and busted through a lot of norms. so i think we're seeing that happen here and there's no doubt it will be happening in the next couple of years. but is it a norm that is busted through. it is unusual. >> understatement. republican donors also told jonathan the president insisted on friday that they never called apple ceo tim cook tim apple.

the sources say the perfects claimed it was, quote, fake news and told them he actually said tim cook apple but just said it really fast and the cook part was too soft. let's go to the videotape on that. >> we have so many companies coming in, people like tim, you're expanding all over and doing things i really wanted do right from the beginning. i said tim, you have to start doing it over here and you really have. you really put a big investment in our country, thank you very much. tim apple. >> did you hear cook? anyone hear cook? >> there's definitively not a word between tim and apple in that video. >> seriously, this is not the first time the president disputed something we've seen on a video, jonathan swan. >> yes, he privately in "the new york times" told at least one senator the "access hollywood" tape that recorded limb speakhi

lewdly about women might have been a fake voice. he obviously admitted it was him. >> this points to a bigger problem, jeff. if anything, he dealt with problems in the 2016 election with fake news, false news on facebook and the frontier of this is fake video. >> yes. >> which i think mon of us may be prepared to grapple with. >> that's a challenge for everybody reporting on the president, reporting on the campaign but also a challenge for voters to decide what they can accept or tolerate from a leader or candidate who says one thing when there's evidence to -- very clear evidence that goes against what he or she is saying. >> this is a fun start to the evening. jonathan swan, thank you so much for all of that. we have a lot more tonight. congressman ro khanna represents silicon valley. and elizabeth warren's comment to break up facebook, google and

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we seem to be learning more about the criminal activity of president trump's former advisers with each passing day, and this week that trend is set to continue. over the course of the next five days, paul manafort will appear before a judge here in washington for his second sentencing hearing. roger stone will update the very same judge on his compliance with the gag order. former national security adviser michael flynn will provide a status report on his sentencing and former campaign aide rick gates will do the same. of course, all of that is to say nothing of michael cohen, who the president thrust back into the spotlight on friday by admitting he discussed a pardon with cohen directly. it is a lot to keep track of. and we struggle sometimes to crystallize what it all means. but outgoing deputy attorney general rod rosenstein may have been trying to do that when he said this at the end of a speech on thursday -- >> i want to leave you with the wisdom of an ancient proverb, if

you desire to know a person's character, consider us friends. >> joining the conversation former fbi assistant director and msnbc national security analyst frank frank figliuzzi and join vance. i'm honored to have you both together. this is a top-notch team to dig into all of this, marc lotter, jeff mason still with us. we talked about the hearings from michael flynn and rick gates. let's start by focusing on the two of them. what have we learned from those hearings? >> we may get some glimpses this week as to where mueller is going and the timing of his report. by that i mean if we hear gates and flynn both say -- and prosecutors agree -- that they're ready to be sentenced it could well mean essentially their cooperation is over.

mueller has wru muell mueller rung him dry and he's ready to issue his report. another thing that can happen this week in manafort's sentencing is if he's the greatest player in the toolbox, we could see his sentencing trigger the mueller report. an important week. >> joyce vance, let's talk about what happened next with manafort. there was frankly a lot of outrage over the sentence he got from judge ellis over the people following it closely and a lot of question whether there was a disparity there with others who committed different crimes. what's your take on the sentence he got there and how bad can it get in some of the other sentences he was facing? >> the sentence was shockingly low, about 75% what was the guideline range that the judge should have imposed for sentencing. but the who practice in the eastern district of virginia say that's one of ellis' habits and not to read too much into it, it seems particularly unjust given

this defendant's conduct. what's ahead for manafort in d.c. is a very different scenario. here the statutory maximum he faces is ten years. and although federal sentencing is complicated and technical, it makes it very likely the judge will impose close to or at the maximum ten years. there's a question of whether he serves that after he serves the 47 months in virginia. i suspect she will do that at least in part so his sentence will be dramatically longer by the end of this week. >> this is the same judge that's going to have to deal again with roger stone. who seems to be continuing to break his gag order. what's your view of his activities? >> i think he breaks his gag order as easily as he breathes. it just seems impossible for him to go 48 hours without getting into trouble. >> i would have predicted that but this soon. >> the judge has been appropriately patient. what you don't want to do is put him in jail quickly and impair his ability to prepare for trial.

but at some point if he persistently violates the gag order which is meant to ensure this jury will not hear evidence in advance of the time they're in the courtroom, it's meant to protect the integrity of his trial as much as possible and if he continues to violate the gag order, she will ultimately take more severe steps to keep him in line. >> frank, what are you looking for this week in terms of trying to figure out when we're going to see this mueller report? i feel like i've been on pins and needles every friday for the last couple of weeks. i'm sure you guys have been as well. do we think he's finished with indictments or will there be more to come first? >> i have been one of the people on campus who says all of the talk about an imminent report starting months ago was premature. and maybe even a strategy out of the white house to try and create a false expectation and say mueller's way overdue for a report. i think we're close but there's still so much to be done here. one of the things we need to look for is not only manafort

sentencing and, of course, what happens with gates and flynn as indicators, but then signaling between barr and mueller and whether barr is issuing statements that indicate something is coming imminently. my focus is going to be clearly on flynn and gates and whether or not mueller said they're fully cooperating, we're done with them, or whether he says i need more time with them. if he says i need more time with him, this report is not coming imminently. >> what indicators are you looking for? let's hypothetically say we actually get a look at it, which is obviously clearly a big question already, but what are you looking for that might not be in there? >> we're all talking about what will be in there, whether or not it's grand jury information or how you classify it. what we may not see is references to the trump families or other players that obviously are exposed, to me knowing how

mueller thinks, it's likely he farmed that out to the southern districts of new york and prosecutor's arms, not that he ignored it, rather than it's someone else's job to do. >> jeff, take us behind the scenes at the white house right now. are they like me on pins and needles waiting for each friday to fry to figure out what's going on? is it affecting their day to day or not really? >> one thing i will tell you i noticed -- i can't remember exactly when he came in but they staffed up a little bit. even on the press side. they brought in somebody who was there specifically to talk to reporters like you and me about this. they've been preparing for some time. i was on the vietnam trip. that was the week michael cohen also did his testimony. i think they're getting used to running the country, but also preparing for this and for all of the other things that keep happening related to the inquiry and related to these outside issues that have overshadowed

his presidency really from day one. >> is the campaign doing the same, marc? >> we can't control what we can't control. i think the campaign and much of the american people want this to be over and director mueller decides it's time to finish his work and issue a report, then we will move on and we will see what it leads to. so far, no collusion. >> so far. we will see. coming up on "kasie dc," we will talk all about michael cohen. will talk all about michael cohen. too long. ♪

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but i won't go through it now. it's the most ridiculous suit i have ever seen. bad lawyer. i had a bad lawyer. >> the president long ago soured over central members of his legal team. for instance, he recordedly pressured white house counsel done mcghan to stp jeff sessions from recusing himself in the russia probe in the spring of 2017. "the new york times" reported mr. mcghan was unsuccessful and the president eruptedeed his attorney general to protect him. mr. trump then asked, where is my roy cone? his longtime, win a lawyer? >> donald cannot take back seat. donald has to run the show because his personality is such, his intelligence is incredible. oops the man is literally a genius. i have been his lawyer since he was 23 years old. when i said i have been his

lawyer, sometimes i feel like his lawyer. i always feel like his friend. but it's a very unusual relationship. he doesn't leave any hint to me. if there's a case involving $1,100 over whether one foot should go in one apartment or another part, donald will know every detail of that $1,100 case. >> roy cohn was loyal until his death and michael cohen echoed what you just heard but in a much different context. >> don jr. would never set up any meeting of significance alone and certainly not without checking with his father. and i also knew nothing went on in trump world, especially the campaign, without mr. trump's knowledge and approval. so i concluded that don jr. was referring to that june 2016 trump tower meeting about dirt on hillary, with the russian

representatives when he walked behind his dad's desk that day. >> roy cohn meant donald trump was involved in his affairs as a compliment. michael cohen meant it as a reason for scrutiny. and all of this is in stark contrast from what we used to hear from him. >> michael cohn, you told me day one he's going to win. >> i did. >> you never had a doubt? >> because i know mr. trump. i stood by him shoulder to shoulder for the past decade. i've seen him in action. i know when donald trump wants something, there's nothing that will stop him from achieving his goal. >> ever since that day he knows i have the same kind of crazy fight in me that he has in him. >> michael cohen is now suing his former client for nearly $2 million in what he says are unpaid legal fees.

and joyce vance, this really has turned to the credibility of michael cohen, because there are now real clippers about whether he was telling the truth when he talked to the committee just last week or the week before. my sense of time is completely lost. i think it was the week before last, and said that he did not discuss a pardon with the president. the president final slimed to acknowledge it on friday. what's your view of whether he's in continued jeopardy? >> the problem that michael cohen has is not an unusual problem that prosecutors and agents face. you have someone who's had a career history as a criminal, they've told a lot of lies, how do you trust them now that they're cooperating with law enforcement? and so for cohen, a lot of that is collaboration -- corroboration. there has to be evidence that corroborates him every step of the way. it's hard to just take him on faith. it's i think very odd that he's stepped into these muddy waters. seems to have done it

deliberately, talking about whether or not there were hards and oth pardons and opened with credibility. and just have to be cautious and can't take him at face value. >> is it once a liar, always a liar situation, frank? >> it's not if you can independently krieb rate statements and put them in proper context and get other people to support the statement. but who's telling the truth about who approached who first about the pardon, in my book it doesn't matter about the first approach, what matter is what the receptivity was and followup on the trump side. if indeed cohen made the first approach about a pardon is what matters if the trump side through his lawyers entertained the idea and took steps to witness tamper or obstruct by dangling the pardon further. >> you don't think it matters whether or not keen lied to congress again in his public testimony? >> if he lied to congress again, his voracity is in even deeper

trouble. he's highly motivated to get this right or he will spend more time in prison and incur the wrath of the southern district and he should not be doing that. >> yeah. joyce, what's your sense of the degree to which robert mueller's conclusions in whatever report he finally issues hinges on the things he learned from michael cohen? >> if it hinges on michael cohen's testimony, it won't be just michael cohen. for prosecutors to put together a case, they might use cohen for instance to narrate the story. or to give them leads about what to follow up on. but if keen's testimony is central to anything that they build another case on, it won't be a jury just hearing michael cohe more. although i will say whatever's interesting about the entire back and forth on the pardon is michael cohen has testified under oath and the president has not. the president is twitter testifying again. maybe he needs to go under oath too if we're going have these two dueling stories. >> as we wrap up here, frank, i

couldn't help but listen to you guys chat during the break. i'm curious, we've been hearing that robert mule cere going to wrap up imminently. what loose ends might be left undone if he is, say, feeling pressure to wrap up early or wrap up on a certain time line? what in your mind are things that still need to happen in this investigation for it to be complete? >> the seminole question, the core of this inquiry, was all about collusion with russia, the degree to which russia has a government meddled in our election. we have had two dozens indictments of russians including 12 russian intelligence officers, but still we're missing that link back to the knowledge of the white house, the candidate at the time and direction, encouragement or just not reporting what he knew. that's a huge gap. but then the obstruction gap is there for me as well. whether or not the attempts to obstruct, repeated evidence we have of that, are going to be

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the house oversight committee is now turning its attention to how ivanka trump and jared kushner were granted top security clearances. according to axios, the committee obtained leaked documents detailing how their clearances were approved and who was involved in the process. these are documents the trump administration previously declined to provide. for more on this, let's bring in democratic congressman ro khanna of california. he's a member of the house oversight committee. we have seen him questioning michael cohen a couple of weeks ago. sir, thank you for being here. >> kasie, great to be back on. >> what is next for the oversight committee to try to get to the bottom of -- there's been reporting the president himself had to clear the security clearance for jared kushner after repeatedly lying about it? >> here's why this matters. no one is saying jared kushner cannot work on white house innovation and ivanka trump can't work on childcare tax credit but they shouldn't have top secret clearance when it

comes to foreign policy. and there are reports shared kushner has been sharing this information in the president's daily brief with mbs in saudi arabia, giving information on dissidents. we need to make sure, one, why he has that clearance and who ordered these decisions? >> do you think it would be illegal if he was actually doing that? >> who knows. i don't want to speculate but certainly it's compromising sensitive information and we want to know what information he was handing over. the president, look, has the absolute right to give somebody national security clearance but the question is why? the question is why are you overturning john kelly, your career officers and putting kushner in charge of middle east peace and having him on what's app, as the report suggests, the crown prince? >> what is the next step for the committee on this issue? >> hopefully the white house will cooperate. elijah cummings said he doesn't want a subpoena. he wants voluntary compliance.

we want to know what the process was, who made the decision and why were the decisions made? most important, why were career officers overruled? >> let's switch, you represent silicon valley. >> i do. >> a favorite topic on this show. elizabeth warren made recently what is perhaps her boldest policy proposal yet and it has to do with big tech. >> the giant tech companies right now are eating up little tiny businesses, start-ups, and competing unfairly so what i'm saying is we got to break these guys apart. want to run a platform, that's fine. you don't get to run a whole bunch of businesses as well. want to run a business as well, you don't get to run the platform. think of it this way, like in baseball, you can be an umpire or own one of the teams but you don't get to be an umpire and own the teams. >> you're a progressive, that's the wing of the party elizabeth warren is from. we're going to talk about bernie sanders a little later on in the show with you, so let's stick to warren.

do you think this is a good policy proposal? >> i think she's right we need stronger antitrust law but i think it has to be a case-by-case basis to go after the privileging on platforms. let me give you the paradigm case, microsoft's case, where the government went after microsoft for tying the internet explorer. they said you can't privilege internet floorer. but the government never broke microsoft up. there's a difference to say whether you should privilege companies and make sure they aren't preferencing their own products versus breaking them up. >> let's take facebook as a case. if you want to remove yourself from facebook, you're not in a position to take yourself off facebook, instagram, what's app. they snapped up all of these -- you don't have necessarily a lot of choice and they're doing that deliberately. do you think that's fair? >> i had said when facebook acquires what's app and when they acquired instagram, they should have been reviewed. the horizontal mergers, the sec

should have reviewed it. but now you can't just break it up in a due process in the department of justice. they need to review that. you look at the history of silicone valley, whether it was microsoft, aol, whether it was yahoo! or ebay, these companies have lost and new companies have emerged. the key is to make sure they can't privilege their own products. i don't think breaking up is necessary and certainly shouldn't be a political question. it should be a case-by-case question for the ftc or doj. >> we should disclose to our viewers you have endorsed our co-chair for bernie sanders, as we talk about his policies. >> i have great respect for elizabeth warren. we have slight differences maybe on this issue but in general she's terrific >> fair enough. amy klobuchar at south by southwest pitched a tax on big-tech profits on consumer data. is that an idea you think you can get behind? >> i would have to look at the specifics. i think consumers should own their data and there may be some value they would get but here's the thing, that may amount to a

few hundred dollars for individuals. you know what the real issue is? the real issue is rural communities and communities of color don't have access to technology jobs. i wish people were talking about how are they going to create technology jobs in communities? how are they going to make them part of the new economy as opposed to saying, okay, let's give you a few hundred dollars for your data. that's not solving the challenge of the digital age. >> a local question for you, tlez some concerns about the ipos that are coming at us, and the way that's going to affect housing in san francisco and surrounding areas. how do you make it so that normal people can live in the bay area? >> that's a huge question. we need much more funding for public housing. elizabeth warren has a good program to give many more grants to local cities for affordable housing. and by that we're not talking about affordable housing just for homeless but teachers and firefighters and nurses. >> would you support taxing big

tech to pay for it? >> i would. i would support taxing tech and generally people well off. the federal government has enough money. what i would do is reverse the trump tax cuts and bush tax cuts and put that money into affordable housing grants for cities to build more housing. >> all right. congressman ro khanna, stick with us. when we come back, we're going to talk about senator bernie sanders. whose campaign you mentioned. sanders is back on the trail and turning out big crowds as he takes on the president and modern democrats. >> the struggle that we are engaged in is not just about this, we have to know what fight is. it's not just the entire republican body. 's not just thee republican body. look limu. a civilian buying a new car. let's go. limu's right. liberty mutual can save you money by customizing your car insurance,

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those ideas that we talked about when we came here to new hampshire four years ago, ideas that seemed so very radical at that time, well, today virtually all of those ideas are supported by a majority of the american people and they are being supported by democratic

candidates from school board to president of the united states. >> that was senator bernie sanders in new hampshire earlier today. a new poll shows that 25% of voters there say he is their first choice for president, up six points since december. but at the top of the list is former vice president joe biden, who has yet to officially enter the race. and biden's anticipated entry may be helping to clear the democratic field. we should know that poll is actually out of iowa, not new hampshire. we saw senators sherrod brown and jeff merkley and former new york city mayor michael bloomberg all say they're not running in the past week. in the same iowa poll, 64% of likely caucus goers say biden should run this time around. and 31% say he should hold off because they think his time has passed. joining our conversation now is the former senior adviser to the sanders campaign in 2016 and congressman ro khanna is back with us, along with the rest of

our panel. you worked for senator sanders last cycle. you won't be working with him this time around. what do you think senator sanders has learned or did lear sanders has learned or did learn since 2016 that would help him in 2020? >> he learned an enormous amount. when you first run for president of the united states, it's an extraordinary jump even if you're coming from the united states senate. i think he learned a lot about the way you guys in the media work, the demands of a candidacy and organization that needs to be put together. we were pretty notorious last time around because you covered it and know this. we were a pretty thin and lean machine last time around. i think he recognizes the need for more infrastructure and robust campaign than he had last

time. >> he did not have a lot of institutional support last time around. there have been several elected lawmakers along with you who have jumped on board. you're one of the younger members of congress. how do you respond to citizen that bernie sanders will be relatively old if he were elected president and the democratic party may need a new younger face. >> he's most popular with the millennial, i'll tell you why. for two reasons. he has stood up for unconstitutional wars. the next generation is tired of the wars and the college and income divide where they're growing up in an economy where they don't think the american dream is as accessible to them as their parents. >> mark, when i covered the many sanders rally you were referring to. there was some crossover between bernie sanders and donald trump.

a lot of people who were there were saying, the person i like next best is donald trump. how concerned is the president about having to run against bernie as the nominee. >> the campaign is not worried about any of the democratic candidates now. >> with all due respect that isn't the case. if it is, you aren't doing your job. >> what we're seeing out of that iowa poll, 56% of iowa caucus goers said they preferred a candidate more likely to take the country towards socialism. we will have it whether it's social list bernie sanders coming out of california and the free no one has to pay for anything platforms, we'll have that debate. >> jeff, leads talk about socialism for a second, an interesting divide. millennials hear that, they think sweden. it's a much different perception than older voters.

that's clearly the argument this president is making, already started talking about it in the state of the union. how do you think it plays out in the democratic primary? >> he is talking about it. mark is talking about it. that is an argument president trump is happy to go up against. how it plays out, we will see. the younger millennial voters were very much behind bernie sanders in the last election or primaries, let's see if they stick with him. they have a lot more to choose from this time around. that debate about socialism will be from president trump or bernie sanders. >> would you tell him to back away from that label? >> no, not at all. if you remember in the last campaign we went to georgetown and gave a speech about what he meant by socialism. it is the continuation of the new deal franklin roosevelt once

laid out. i wouldn't run from it at all. i would clarify what i mean by it in terms of medicare for all. $15 an hour minimum wage. the ideas are in his agenda. >> bernie sanders stayed in the race by the bitter end. it was very very bitter by 2016, in the democratic primary. do you think if he goes through this primary process with a chunk of the support he is likely to get. you've already seen those donors and that support in those polls and he goes into that convention, is he going to get out of the race if it's clear he's not going to be the nominee or is he going to stay and fight on the floor if the argument is, it's better for the party if you get out. he already said in new hampshire a day or two ago he would endorse and support whoever the nominee was. the nominee happens at the convention. >> you also remember at the convention, we fought very hard to keep minority planks off the

floor, convinced our delegates not to do that. i think bernie sanders doesn't get enough credit for the effort he made to bring the party both before the convention and at the convention. >> why didn't he drop out before the convention? >> there were millions of supporters on down the line. he said from the beginning, just like hillary clinton did in a previous campaign, he was going all the way to california. if it was okay for hillary clinton to go all the way to california in the final contest against barack obama, it certainly was for hillary clinton. >> do you think that primary was why hillary clinton lost to donald trump? >> i don't. barack obama and hillary clinton ran in a spirited primary. that energized people. there were other reasons for a loss. i wouldn't even blame secretary clinton. the whole democratic party didn't pay enough attention to rural america and their economy

is changing with a digital economy and we need to reach them and say here are the pathways for a 21st century economy. one of the reasons mark's arguments won't work, they called barack obama a social list and fdr a social list. you have someone representing silicon valley and apple, trust me, we believe in entrepreneurship and believe in some of senator sanders economy to prepare us for a 21st century economy. when you look at investing with people and what it will take to invest with people. >> with all due respect, congressman, you were just here a second ago saying you want to break up companies. >> no. that was elizabeth warren. >> and private health insurance. >> if you look at his bill, it still allows for private health insurance. >> i have to put a pause on this. thank you all. coming up, what begans a complaints of anti-semitism

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perceived as anti-semitic. >> sparking a house resolution. >> condemning not only anti-semitism but all forms of hate. >> do you think house democrats watered it down? >> i don't think so. >> i think it was to protect -- >> they're all -- >> they have become the party of infante side and socialism. >> there's only so much speaker pelosi can do. >> i think she has a different experience and use of words understanding some are fraught with meaning she doesn't realize. >> if you don't know what words mean congress may be the wrong line of work for you. >> cohen says it's mr. trump that's lying. >> hard to sorting through a he said she said argument. >> cohen and/or his lawyers approached the president and asked for a pardon. >> what the president said -- >> okay. >> this guy routinely lied.

>> anything he said that's not documentary evidence, unless he's getting his tongue note ride. >> if he's breathing he's lied. >> probably made over a thousand false statements about the russia issues. >> do you think the president will at some point pardon paul manafort? >> i do think his supporters think it will be easy to pardon him. >> mr. manafort is a grifter, was with mr. stone. i'm sorry. he is a sleaze -- >> democrats are having a tough time trying to keep everyone in their party on this same page. the infighting on handling representative ilhan omar's comments. some on both sides found this to be anti-semitic while

progressives defended it as rebuke of israel. a resolution that broadly condemns hatred. but it was criticized by some being watered down not going far enough in rebuking omar. just in tonight, jonathan swan reports during a friday night mar-a-lago speech to donors, the president said democrats hate jewish people. and his security required events attendees to put their cell phones in magnetized pouchs until they left the club. >> house speaker nancy pelosi tried to handle the unwieldy debate over the comments? >> do you think she understands her comments and what happens if this happens again. >> first, thank you for the question. i don't think that the congresswoman perhaps appreciates the full weight how it's heard by other people

although i don't believe it was intended in an anti-semitic way. >> meanwhile, omar has been unwilling to issue and apology about her latest comments and ducked questions about them. >> reporter: what have you been telling your colleagues in private who have asked you about this? have you tried to explain to them why it was you said what you said? have you been able to convince them you didn't intend for it to be anti-semitic? is there a reason you're not answering questions about this? are you going to apologize? the cracks in the democratic party are evident both in its generational divide and intention between the establishment and more left wing members, as you saw there. it's not just on this point. yesterday, at the west-southwest festival, ocasio-cortez gave this take on capitalism. >> capitalism, to me, is an ideology of capital. it puts capital, the most

important thing is the concentration of capital, and it means that we seek and prioritize profit and the accumulation of money above all else and we seek it at any human an environmental cost. to me, that ideology is not sustainable and cannot be redeemed. >> quite something. new polling by the des moines register crohn indicates an appetite of democratic voters for socialism with bernie sanders trailing only joe biden as first choice for president. of course, there is the mueller report. while democrats have fought for it be made public, it's reported the 2020 campaign teams have wrestled how to handle the myriad scenarios they could potentially face in the wake of its release and what to do if it doesn't implicate the president. democrats already felt some of that burden this week what they saw as a light prison sentence

for former trump campaign chairman, paul manafort. the beat trump fervor and investigations may be a lot of glue holding democrats together as 2020 approaches. the latest polling from iowa show voters are far less concerned with impeaching president trump than they are dealing with healthcare or climate change. the critical question for democrats, can they deftly navigate these fractures or will their divisions prevent them from achieving the one goal they all do agree on, which is getting the president out of the white house. with me this hour, former republican congressman from indiana club for growth, david mcintosh. senior correspondent for washington examiner, david drecker and atkins and contributor maria kumar. we were having a very spirited topic on this discussion on "meet the press" i'd like to

pick up a little bit here. there really are generational difference is among democrats, a certain irony a lot seem to be supporting bernie sanders one of the older candidates in the race but is on this frontier of progressive ideas. how do democrats navigate the impending mess before them and the disagreements over this? >> i think they have to be careful they recognize the message they will stick to and not fall into the trap of basically defending everything the republicans are trying to stick to them. if you heard this morning liz cheney with the platform for the republican party was going to be against the democrats, she talked about infante side, immigration, socialism and lastly saying democrats are anti-semitic. democrats have to make sure they're in their own boxing ring

and not constantly trying to defend themselves. you talk about this intergenerational divide, it's very real. 2020 is the first time there will be more young voters by 12 million people than baby boomers. they're very upset. rightly so. they are inheriting an economy and environment they feel they cannot access. the best way to crystalize it is the fact you had federal employees in middle class jobs in bread lines during the first time. >> during the government -- >> during the government shutdown in over a century. that is not small. >> i think the economy is the issue. and attacking free markets, young people and older people know a free economy is a land of opportunity. that's a very dangerous place for democrats to land up in this. >> you work for club for growth way on the other side of what

ocasio-cortez says. she is basically the star of the democratic party. >> more americans know her than nancy pelosi or any other member of congress. >> it strikes me that, you know, there is this fervor around issues like medicare for all, rising income inequality. at what point does the viewpoint you all have come out of touch? >> i think the key for republicans and conservatives is to show how our view of free markets is actually good for everybody. good for workers, millennials, whether lower income, higher income, land of opportunity. that's the key to portray what's going on. take medicare for all. the flip side is every american in the country would lose their health insurance. most americans don't want to lose their health insurance. >> private health insurance. >> they give it up and suddenly the government -- and they've seen stories in canada where people have to wait federal reserve to get critical

surgeries. they don't want go to that. they want to have the best healthcare in the world and keep insurance to pay for it. >> they don't have the best healthcare in the world, many don't have any healthcare. >> no, everybody has healthcare. you know that's not true. anybody can go to a hospital or urgent care whether they can pay or not and get good healthcare. [talking over each other ]. >> before obamacare, the number one reason families declared bankruptcy was because of medical bills. after obamacare -- not that it's perfect but gets people closer to group. we're talking about a group of individuals that don't have access to the economy. they don't want to buy a car, can't afford a house. they are welcoming this idea of a more collective economy. >> i think this is the argument we will see in 2020 for the most part. the candidate that gets it right

leaves ideology behind in a way and tries to talk to voters where they are about the problems that are facing them. most voters are a lot less ideology than we are. they look at the world without a philosophical lens, having problems and when someone shows up saying i can fix things and they look at it and say, i guess i'm that. you're right. democrats cannot be defensive, at the same time, they can't be defensive. if john hickenlooper, somebody say, are you capitalist? are you a democrat? proud colorado an? label, i don't like that. for a lot of younger voters that have lived in a post cold war world they don't think socialism is venezuela. >> it's sweden?

>> it's like the united states just like it is only i get more stuff. >> that isn't the case. >> if they think that you have to be willing to speak to that and not dismiss it. this is 1984 anymore, 2020. >> they don't think socialism -- they think it's something different. i want to see the poll number for people in the democratic party who like the fact we're talking medicare for all and green new deal knowing that probably won't happen and actually know how many times the world socialism is said, america will not turn to a socialist country and that's where the energy of the democratic party is. >> she's right about the ambition. you look how trump and sanders were successful in 2016, they said all sorts of things they knew wouldn't happen. in for stance, i will build the wall and mexico will pay for it. the voters appreciated the ambition. you have to be ambitious, i

can't do that because i can't pay for it. if anything, hillary clinton was punished for telling voters, sorry, i can't do that for you, that's out there on a limb. to your point, i wonder if they're looking for people to talk about things aspirational but they can't -- >> that's driving the democratic party right now. they need that energy. the democratic base is so diverse, culturally diverse, racially diverse and economically diverse in a way the republicans have not. the republicans have unified behind donald trump and they need that energy leading into 2020. >> something we can't forget 100 years ago was the new deal, not the baby boomers but the parents who said we will make a big bet or america and invest because we're getting out of war and depression because we have complete chaos. how do we invest in america.

baby boomers spent everything for themselves and spent their future. you have 100 years later these millennials saying, you know what, we kind of want to go back to what your great-grandparents wanted, because that doesn't sound so bad. >> bernie sanders and donald trump on one side and the rest on the others, pro washington or anti-washington. trump has still maintained that anti-washington voice. it will be interesting to see on the democratic side who emerges as the best contender to do that. >> david has a really good point there. that is probably defining our politics more than left-right, pro washington, anti-washington. >> absolutely. before the break, i want to show you what jeanine piero said about omar. she basically said out loud what

many have been talking about behind the scenes why it was she may have gotten so much criticism. take a look. >> this is not who your party is. your party is not anti-israel, she is. think about this. she's not getting this anti-israel sentiment doctrine from the democratic party. so if it's not rooted in the party, where is she getting it from? think about it. omar wears a hijab, which according to the koran, 33:59, tells women to cover so they won't get molested. is her adherence to this islamic doctrine indicative of her adherence to sharia law which in itself is anti-thet caical to t constitution? >> i would like to point out the

united states protects freedom of religion. when you watch that clip, clearly the remarks she has made about israel have very much offended many jewish members of congress and have been called repeatedly anti-semitic. how much pressure is coming onto her because she is the first person to wear a hijab. >> i think sadly -- first of all, it's not just folks of the jewish faith, folks allies who said what she said was wrong. >> was not okay. >> was not okay. >> what we need to make sure who is basically pedalling anti-semitism and not having a conversation where we should not allow it and have zero tolerance is completely inappropriate. she was in the shadows but trying to hint at the fact because she wears a hijab and because of her muslim faith she cannot be american and that is something we should all stand up against. >> and look, congresswoman omar

had death threats and things posted about her on social media is abhorrent and this kind of talk feeds directly into that she is a muslim american, anti-semitic, anti-american, that should be condemned, too. it's tough. i think democrats are finding a tough time pushing back against this idea where the line is drawn about having a frank discussion about u.s.-israeli policy and where that crosses over the line and republicans are coming in that space and pushing, bulldozing over the labeling, democrats as anti-jewish and anti-israeli party. i spoke to folks close to the benjamin netanyahu during the obama administration. ed a critical as they were and they were critical and pulled no punch, nobody accused them of

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welcome back to caskasey d.. joining us is congresswoman mazie hirono. >> thank you. >> in the house, they have some more tools at their disposal. what is your assessment so far how democrats are handling the careful balance making sure they're investigating the president without going too far and turning it into a political circus some sources have said to me is a concern of theirs. do you think they're striking the right balance? >> i think so because there is so much going on that needs to be investigated by the trump

organization. there are committees looking into five aspects of the foundation including his tax returns and it did not happen in the last two years with control of the house and contrast to 85 people and in whitewater where a thousand requests came out and what came out of that? nothing. this is very important because there are so many allegations about trump, campaign finance violations, all kinds of things. the american people need to know what's going on with this president and his organization. >> one source of mine described what's going on in the house as an insurance policy for potential impeachment proceedings down the line if the

mueller report doesn't produce a smoking gun. do you view it that way? >> i think there are legitimate areas of investigation the house has to pursue. the more investigation, really, he was focused on the russian interference with our elections and any cooperation, collaboration by the trump organization, that is a relatively limited scope, although out of the mueller investigation there are other investigations being conducted in u.s. attorney's offices in washington, d.c. and in new york. there are so many areas of inquiry. therefore, we're not looking at the mueller investigation as be all and end all. there will be other investigations that must continue. >> i'm interested to hear you say that. i have asked this question of many people about impeachment so far. the answer is always we need to allow mueller to finish his work. would you say if mueller

finishes, there is no smoking gun, would you be ready to say the information you have so far is enough to impeach this president. no. because as i said, the mueller investigation was very focused on russia and any trump collaboration, collusion, setra wisetra -- et cetera very lit to do with campaign spending violation, his foundation, money raised for his inauguration. there are so many other areas of inquiry including by the way, i would say donald trump is violating the constitution on immollments clause. there are a lot of areas. it is very important the mueller investigation for the longest time we were very concerned would be stopped in some way. i am hoping that by now it has gone far enough there will be completion. at the same time, i want to make sure our new attorney general

releases the report of the investigation to make it as transparent as possible and he certainly didn't agree that was what was going to happen. >> i want to ask you also about the federal judiciary, at the rate at which mitch mcconnell has been pushing judges through the senate, president trump could have put as much as 20% of serving federal judges on lower courts on the bench and talking potentially about using the quote unquote nuclear option to change the senate rules to allow these judges to be confirmed more quickly. how much in your view is this damaging the country and what's your response to mcconnell's possible idea here? >> mitch mcconnell has already used the nuclear option with regard to the supreme court justices. there's many orders of magnitude of harm that happens when you're talking about nine justices on the supreme court versus the

hundreds of judges that there are on circuit and district courts. there's some 850 judges. he already exercised the nuclear option, why he was able to get two people, very conservative ideologically driven judges, especially cavanaugh, onto the supreme court. courtpacing is going on a pace with these right wing ideological judges, some 80% of circuit judges are members of the federal list society, trump nominees. almost 10% of the judiciary will be trump judges. what does that do to the independence of the judiciary. i have mustaajor concerns about that. it will be, in my view, damaging. it will be trump's legacy among the most damaging starting with

the two on the united states supreme court. you will see a lot more 5-4 split decisions because of the justices. that is not good for the supreme court. want the supreme court to have as much unanimity as possible to relate to all the circuit courts what the state of the law is. that is not what is planned. >> before i let you go, i want to talk about the democratic party, emerging primary but also some divisions that have unfolded over the past week or so. ilhan omar was talking at a fund-raising event and talked about loyalty to a foreign country, and those comments were condemned by many democrats as anti-semitic. do you believe her comments were anti-semitic? >> i don't think she intended her comments to be anti-semitic. we're in an environment now where just about everything we say can be viewed in a certain way. what we have is a lot of hate

speech against immigrants, against muslims, all kinds of people. that is why i'm glad that when the house actually took a vote that they basically condemned all hate speech. we certainly are hearing a lot of hate speech from the republicans and the right. for them to suddenly rear up on their hind legs and go after one person, i think we should be looking at ourselves and saying we have an environment now where basically president trump in his campaign really exposed a lot of the divisiveness and issues in our country that we've never faced up to including racism, including anti-immigrant and anti-lgbtq and these are all areas we need to face as a country. >> finally, on 2020, many of your colleagues in the senate are running for president. have you at this point decided

you are ready to support one of these democrats in the primary in 2020? >> i'm just glad on our side we have an abundance of riches with all these people running. we share very common ideas. we believe in the science, of course. it's not a belief or religion. science behind climate change and the fact we have to do something about it. we believe healthcare is a right, not a privilege. i think most of the candidates ascribe to that. >> anybody stand out to you? >> i think pretty much all of them are really good on a lot of basic issues. economic equality, social justice, economic equality. i don't hear the other side talking about those issues. >> senator mazie hirono, thank you for coming on the program. see you on the hill coming up this week. still to come, the president has expected to reveal his budget tomorrow. it won't balance for more than a decade. we will talk about how defiant

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roughly a 5% across the board on spending domestic accounts. >> it will be another fight about the wall? >> i guess there is. the border wall for security is very important, we have a crisis down there and the president has made that case very effectively. >> democrats have been down this road before and already gearing up for a fight. the panel is already back with me. david, i hate to be a downer but does the budget matter. >> it does from a policy perspective. this is how the president signals its priorities of it. the debt and deficits, voters don't care about it. there is no constituency. >> they used to. >> there is no constituency for

keeping it in control, it is the constituency that doesn't have the power to spend any money. if you're a republican voter you probably support all the things president trump wants to spend on. if you're a democratic voter, you probably don't like it. when the tables are turned, republicans will want to hold down spending and democrats want to spend like crazy. that is why you keep getting weather that don't address any of this. nothing will change until voters change their minds. why do these guys act like they don't want to get reelected. they will when they think somebody cares about knit. >> budgets never matter. they set out the priority of the president. they never pass congress in its form. this is a wall, a document that allows him to push forward saying he's fighting for the wall. the democrats won't give him the money. that bolsters his 2020 narrative

what he's using this for. >> let's listen one year ago on the deficit. >> we have a trade deficit with all country in the world. listen to this number. if there's any children in the room, please close your ears. we have a trade deficit of almost $800 billion a year. who makes these deals? with mexico -- he says, obama. honestly, in all fairness to obama, it's more than obama, it's plenty of people, believe me. plenty of presidents allowed that to happen and people that work for the president. >> david mcintosh, you made a career understanding economic policy. does the president understand economic policy? >> let me say this. >> it's a yes or no question. >> i think he does. he has an intuitive sense about it. >> economics is not intuitive, quantitative. the trade deficit is not a big problem for the united states. the bigger problem david drukker

pointed out, washington has lulled the public to think it's okay for us to keep borrowing and mortgaging our future. that's what the club for growth really doesn't like about this budget. a move in the right direction. a 5% cut is very good. millennials, if anybody, should be very worried about this continued debt and deficit spending because they're the ones that ultimately will have to pay for it. >> what i find amusing that was a year ago to bring the trade deficit down. this is the opposite president because under his watch he exacerbated the trade deficit. the fact he gave money back to americans, what did they do? by traded goods. >> because they're cheap. >> yes. because they're cheap. and does he understand economic principl principles? that sound bite indicates he does not. >> let me defend the president a

little bit. he understand the tax cut would grow the economy. a benefit of that is that americans get more money in their pocket to spend and they spend on good deals. that means imported goods. i think the president does understand economics in focussing on growth. the trade deficit is not the big problem. there are some problems. he needs a good deal with china to force them to respect our property rights. that's a good issue to deal with. the amount of the trade deficit has more with the economies of the world not doing so well. na the president also thinks tariffs that enrich the treasury are coming from foreign countries, of course, they're coming from us just like a tax. i think david's right in that the president has a general macro conservative approach the economy, if i put more money back into the hands of businesses and people -- >> having been a businessman. >> they'll spend money. the president, ironically here,

also believes, in a sense the way you really make this work is be a crony capitalist. in other words, i will use the heavy hand of the government and my influence to call corporations, stop them from moving overseas. if they think they can produce a better cheaper product to keep their business afloat, i will regulate markets in a more tightly regulated way through trade deals rather than general free market approach that allow countries to interact with each other. >> it's very contrary to traditional republican doctrine in many ways. this is yet another spirited discussion i have to put on pause. coming up, one has a political record more than four decades long and the other 46 years old. how joe biden and beto o'rourke could up-end the 2020 race and why they haven't jumped in yet. my illustrious producers

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>> it's interesting to me you guys are already attacking beto o'rourke. is it march of 2019. you're going after him in iowa. why are you spending money now against beto o'rourke. >> part of it is to set the table for when he does announce. we know beato very well. we ran against him in the senate race last year. he's not what he presents himself, as a progressive man of the people. his biggest accomplishment, really didn't succeed at it biggest thing he worked on as a city council tried to bulldoze an historic hispanic neighborhood and give the property to his father-in-law to redevelop. that's not a progressive. >> that he embodies white privilege, do you think voters will buy that? >> in the midterm elections in el paso where he's from, you had a huge rise in participation. in 2014, 84,000 voters went out and voted in the midterm. in el paso, 204,000 voted, only

10,000 different. i think what beto does very well, he resonates. he recognizes his privilege and talks about it. goes into black churches and says these are conversations we need have and kneels and does it in a more authentic way. that's why the president went down and decided where would he hold that rally when it came to holding the wall, not where the majority are coming, he went to el paso. >> i want to pick up on this point you made, very interesting, this authenticity idea and ideas we hear from many of the younger people in the party, joe biden reckoning with things he did in the 1970s because he has a long record to reckon with talking about busing and desegregation. kimberly, what's your assessment, the commentary i heard from my sources on the progressive side, commentary not what he said but how his team

handle it in this moment saying he doesn't necessarily have any regrets about it? >> exactly. the biggest impediment for joe biden is the fact it is no longer four years ago. the party and politics have changed dramatically since then. you have a lot of people in the race that don't have that baggage, didn't vote for the iraq war let alone talk about busing and involved in the anita hill clarence thomas confirmation hearings. all those clips will be brought out. he will have to spend as much time explaining himself as putting forth policy positions and will put him at a disadvantage out of the gate. >> are these policy sugar high name recognition? >> they are always name recognition and not much more than that. we will see in 6-9 month. biden is in a tough spot. when you apologize, you're losing.

apologizing is the worst he can do hopefully democratic voters see he was legislating and making policy 30, 40 years ago when times were different and now do things different. one thing about biden and beto, you talk to any republican who scares you, they only mention really two names and maybe a third, biden and beto and get to a third, it's usually kamala harris. >> and perhaps bernie sanders, i will mention aside from kamala harris, all white men. more from casey d.c. in just a moment, kaise, all featured in the washington life. i want to thank washington life for that lovely cover. back after this. i got cones, anybody wants one! oh, yeah! get ya some! no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds

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a senate hearing this week on sexual assault in the military took an unexpected turn after martha mcsally revealed she was raped. >> i am a sexually assault survivor. unlike so many brave survivors,

i did not report being assaulted. like so many women and men, i did not trust the victim. i blamed myself and i was ashamed and confused and i thought i was strong but felt paralyzed. the perpetrators abused their power in profound ways. in one case i was preyed upon and then raped by a superior officer. i stayed silent for many years but later in my career grappling with the scandal and responses, i felt the need to let people know i, too, was a survivor. >> mcsally who was a first woman to fly a combat mission for the air force went onto say when she report the incident, she was disturbed how the incident was handled that she nearly left the

military. last year 6,000 members were being assaulted. curving those numbers to something senator gillibrand has made her corner stone goal. she put forward a measure that would taken cases outside the chain of command. jigillibrand plans to reintrodu that legislation. >> mcsally says she's against that approach. >> i share the disgust of the failure of the military system and many commanders who failed in their responsibilities. but, as for this very reason that we must allow, we must demand that commanders stay at the center of the solution and live up to the moral and legal responsibilities that come with being a commander. >> the air force says they are ready to investigate the mcsally

incident but they say mcsally have not agreed to cooperate. when we return, what to watch for in the week ahead. for in the week ahead.

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are watching for the week. >> the vote on the resolution of disapproval for the president's emergency declaration is coming up in the senate. will he change minds? if not, this thing is headed for passing, he'll veto it. >> an issue that we do not think would resonate reparations. and not only can you use money for it, it can come in many forms including tax break. we'll see other candidates give their idea whether they support it or not. >> further on the declaration of emergencies. a lot of conservative senators are going to vote against it. they like the funding of the wall but they don't like the abuse of presidential power. >> i would say the president's budget as we are speaking, nancy

pelosi, put out a release, bring out the wall, we'll not give it to you. >> >> i, too, will be covering the declaration. >> that'll be it for us tonight, coming up next, "russia if you are listening," an msnbc's special from ali velshi. >> this is an msnbc special presentation. all we hear about is this phony russia witch hunt. >> the mueller/russia report is not ready yet. >> washington is in eager and anticipation mode. our report is. >> this is really important. the unprecedented moments. >> those were lies and i am so sorry that the american people were told that. >> mr. trump knew of and directed the