louis burgdorf. "morning joe" starts right now. so do you come to milwaukee often? >> well, i'm a regular visitor here but milwaukee has certainly had its share of visitors. the french missionaries and explorers were coming here as early as the late 1600s to trade with the native americans. >> isn't milwaukee a native name? >> yes, it's pronounced meal-walk-aye. it's the only milwaukee city to have elected three socialist mayors. >> that looks funny. it's tuesday march 12th.

we have columnist for "the washington post," david ignatius, washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay, from the department of defense, an nbc news analyst jeremy bash is with us. white house correspondent for pbs "news hour" yamiche alcindor. our team here at nbc is leading the morning with several big stories today. courtney has obtained an exclusive preview of a report describing russia's plans for a year ahead. plus is beto ready to run? it seems like everyone else wants him to do it more than he

wants to. >> i think he's at risk of mayor pete right now. >> i agree. >> how many times can you go out walking in the woods thinking about life and, you know, contemplating it and like come on, the guy's 47 or something. >> he's got good teeth. >> a contemplative, walk in the woods kind of guy may be just who we need. >> hans nichols is lkiooking at key voting block that could shape the race for the white house. we begin with speaker of the house pelosi -- check mate. she said she's inclined to steer the party against impeachment of trump. yes, against. >> congressman nadler decided to

impeach the president the day the president won the election. >> trying to get the goods on this president in an apparent effort to impeach him. >> a for emto lie about the president of the united states so they can all start their impeach process. >> this is an attempt -- there are members here with a singular goal in congress, to impeach president trump. >> speaking to "the washington post" magazine, pelosi said, this is kind of fantastic, i'm not for impeachment. this is news. i've been thinking about this. impeachment is so divisive to the country. unless there's so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, i don't and he's just not worth

it. the speaker using stronger language about a subject she addressed at the beginning of this congress back in january. >> you've said it would be sad and divisive for the country to pursue impeachment. >> it would be. >> are you willing to rule it out? >> well, we have to wait and see what happens with the mueller report. we shouldn't be impeaching for a political reason and we shouldn't avoid impeachment for a plit rahal reason so we just have to see how it comes. >> "the washington post" roared at the time that when it comes to pelosi, trump has pulled back on his jabs. that is deliberate. aides and advisers said because the alg she he said she personal personally. we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use that for impeachment? nancy said, "we're not looking to impeach you."

i said that's good, that's good. but you don't impeach people when they're doing a good job. >> meanwhile, some house financial services chairwoman maxine waters said she believed the speaker had always been clear about her opposition to impeachment and agreed it would take republicans, quote, who have the courage to do it. so let's all dig into this. i think david ignatius, this is a really brilliant -- >> i think she's wise to let the fact, the case that maul and it. you have to look, mika, at what happened since the mid terms.

we thought, wow, there's a democratic breakthrough. we've had trump gaining little bits m so i think if mueller comes with a strong report she thinks will carry an impeachment pros eshs she'll be right back on that theme but otherwise, no. >> i love these not worth it, jeremy bash, but this places everybody in the position of waiting to see. what would be worth it? >> depends on a high crime and miss demeansors -- >> is something involving him -- subjecting himself to leverage by the russian federation. is that something that would bring --

>> -- so in some way she's just waiting a fact that you need to have republicans if i love th , this,in i think some of the freshmen need to watch this and watch how it plays out. are they i think trying to chip away at he is credibility, i think nancy pelosi when we can all agree and this is evidence that the president needs to go, we can do that. but start, we don't have to rush to judgment. i think she's calculating, she's saying we need to figure out our own shelf and messaging and a vision to give to the american

people. and i think she's also focused on that and not wanting to get into this battle ahead of 2020. >> and democrats need a can't who can win. katty kay, it important in many ways. it would be much more important for the voters to decide it. i think pelosi is right to lead down that path. but i love this from the point of view of a female in power, of a woman leader. i think this move was strategically significant because sometimes have you to dial back in order to be able to move forward. you don't want to just push it all forward, all out front because then you got nowhere to go. this is pulling back in such a brilliant way, he's not worth it. >> we knew this was her position. we knew she didn't want to go down the impeachment route unless there was bipartisan sport.

-- support. what are the two big d distractions that democrats are trying -- republicans are trying to beat the democrats up over at the moment? >> there's also some dismissiveness there that you have to acknowledge. president trump, as much as he likes to beat up on the media, he likes to watch himself. he likes to watch people talking about him and he likes the idea thinking of himself as this orbit, this sun that everybody is gravitating around. and nancy pelosi saying i'm doing my own thing, that has to drive the president nuts.

>> he would love to the center of attention, whether it good or bad, he loves it. >> and he respects nancy pelosi in a way he doesn't other people so i think to hear it from her stung a little. >> again and again, nancy pelosi has proven she as clever as see is tough. she has now dismissed both the left's obsession with dangerous and likely doomed effort to impeach trump and trump himself. she told "the washington post" this man is not worthy of the office he hold and you see she says let's focus on the voters. what have we heard on capitol hill in terms of nancy pelosi's comments? but more importantly, the

impeachment word, isn't it being used more by republicans? isn't this a great power play in terms of them trying to push the shrill part of the left forward? nancy pelosi is pulling everything back, literally all the chips. >> i think that's exactly right. republicans have been talking about it far more than democrats have. you saw a brief burst of a few prominent democrats, joaquw joa castro and others. i think there's a really important point that needs to be made here. while most of the media attention, actually there are a lot of collected in trump districts and they're quite moderate. i was on fobs on union sunday

and in the green hill is and nancy pelosi is trying to bring her caucus back on track. last week was the big unveiling of hh-1, the debate was fueled by anti-semitism and she doesn't want to get ahead of public opinion on this. and i think catty's point is exactly right on this. >> that evidence shift, that shift in nadler that we're talking about could come from this could be the wook where we finally learn how long-time

trump ally roger stone will get a trial date, which could put a timeline on when the public will learn more about his alleged contacts with wikileaks. status reports are due from michael flynn and rick gates, two of mueller's biggest cooperators. those reports could signal whether the special counsel has tapped tem for all the information investigators need. this week might even include attorney general william barr, announcing that mueller has completed and these events could decide whether democrats should launch imwhat are you looking at that is the most significant part of the investigation to

follow, especially as nancy pelosi pulls back on a mack row level and says everybody wait. >> the most important thing this week will be the manafort sense tensing in the d.c. case. he could he's looking at a significant amount toop i think he'll probably get between nine and ten years. a 69-year-old man is a significant prison sentence. there are other status updates. i think mueller is close to putting it out -- >> we've heard this before. we've heard it a million times. >> we have yet to i could see them telegraphing when a report might be gun, is that unless bob

mueller has a whole card that he hasn't turned over in this deck, we've seen a lot of the cards turned and there have been some impressive ones but we haven't seen the card that's a conspiracy between russian intelligence operatives and the trump campaign. we've seen little bits of lower level people but not what you'd call a full-throated conspiracy. i think we're going to end up with a report that we pretty much expect, more about republicans and less about collusion than many democrats think. i think that would be he's like a shark. you don't see him until a fin break breaks. >> what we don't know is in

there even though there is no the that silver bullet of conclusion, at that point the mueller probably takeson a dchb it's like everyone's waiting for mueller. i prnly but what as we're like what's next? what could be next? >> and in only two years, bob mueller has been working expeditiously and very efficiently and he's taken down the chairman and the deputy chairman and national secured and what the russians did was they telegraphed to the trump team, we're helping you, we're

all in for you. and by the way we have leverage over you and for somehow him being beholden to the trump administration, whereas america has leveraged. that is the biggest interest from the perspective of national interest and whether there were discussions could be in and of considers russian medaling and i think for the first time everyone thought, wait, if he meddle that means he's carrying out that there was someone from the trump campaign who was directing the communication between roger stone and july want asngs figure out what the

trump campaign was doing and what their connection is to all that, that could be tre having as well. >> the question is if the bar is high crimes and misdemeanors. >> how high does it that's dfb what do 67 senators think is high crimes? dose the level? yesterday she faced questions over whether trump thinks democrats hayes yush people. that followed an actionio remark over the weekend during at republican national convention fund-raiser at his mar-a-lago club.

>> reporter: yes or no, does the president truly believe that democrats hate ju in. >> does he think democrats hate rng. >> i think they've had a lot of opportunities over the last few weeks. i'm trying to answer if you'll stop talking, i'll fin since they're unwilling to call this what it is. >> jonathan swann, you've got reporting on this. i find it's hard to watch. i guess it's good we've got a daily briefing. . but, you know, to me the is through spokepeople like that

and others. t racism and all sorts of things, bigotry. if one does no company because he's tapping in to something. >> he's trying to use the situation to overcome what has been a long running plk -- and president trump has been moving toward this the last few days but these were private comments. they went to some lengths to make sure it wouldn't leak out. they made people at mar-a-lago

put their cell phones in these magnetized pouches. i have confirmed it from people who were there. president trump said the phrase identity democrats hate jewish people." he also went on to boast about his own pap lart in. >> jonathan swann, thank you very much. for your reporting. and still ahead on "morning joe" dick cheney calls out mike pence right to his fence. their one-on-one though. >> plus -- we'll run through the numbers straight ahead. we'll check on the forecast. bill? so i thought it was appropriate to show you this kwind look at

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have died since the blackout began and 10,000 more are at risk. last night secretary of state mike pompeo announced that the u.s. would be withdrawing all remaining personnel from the u.s. embassy in venezuela this week. david, the impact of this crisis there and what is the ability of other countries, including the united states to try and help. what is happening there? >> first, as you said, venezuela is becoming a severe humanitarian crisis. we talk about the desperation of refugees in syria -- >> it's catastrophic. >> in our hemisphere we're seeing severe food shortages, these terrible crises at the border. this is the rare crisis where there's a chance of strong regional support for change. something's got to give in venezuela.

maduro's government isn't able to continue this as an army. responsible countries around the prif they all favor some significant process of raspberry igs. i think the process has begun. i credit the trump administration but not pushing it so hard the u.s. becomes the issue for venezuelans. that's what maduro is waiting for, saying this is the yankees trying to dictate to us. i think this is now cresting to the left where people should be concerned about it, it should be a daily story for us to follow. again, the lucky thing is regional powers seem to want to take responsibility for this. >> that's hopeful. katty, this one's for you. teresa may said he has binding

changes and may is insisting she has delivered what parliament asked her to do in regards to the contentious issue of the northern ireland backstop. labor leaders are skeptical saying the prime minister has secured nothing new. catty. >> as one governor minister told a friend of mine, we're not up the river without a paddle, we're up the river without a boat. >> ooh. >> you could have 17-mile-long car backups at the ports, britain's may or may not be able to travel in and out of the european union as freely, trade stops, there are talks of shortages -- talking of venezuela, it's not going to be that bad but there are talks

seriesious of shortag-- serious that -- >> how did the model fall apart? >> they're asking that of us, as well. >> how did this happen? >> you know, david, for decade in the unc.k., we've had an ambivalent relationship with europe. that has never been resolved. and we have a referendum three years ago that we hoped would resolve the issue. we've found new give people a referendum, it doesn't bring

people closer together necessarily. you're giving them a very black-and-white choice between leave and remain and i would argue it's made the company more divided. people get into theircamps, i'm a leaver or i'm a remainder and i'm never going to do either one of them. if you give people a very simple question on a very complicated issue, you're going to have more divisions, not less. health insurance what's happened in the last three years. >> coming up, president trump has reuters' white hous will walk us through the president's proposal next on "morning joe." proposal next on "morning joe.

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you mentioned what the president promised during the campaign. he also promised he would eliminate the national debt within eight years. as you know, the debt at the end of his first year was at 20 trillion. last year it went to 21 trillion, last month 22 trillion. so what happened to that

promise? >> look, again, the last administration nearly doubled the national debt. when this president ran for office, he made a commitment to the american people he would attempt to tackle the debt in eight years. this president did that the very first year he came to office that sent for a budget that balanced in ten years and had more spending reductions than any in history. >> the white house yesterday defending president trump's budget after his prior claims to slash the national debt. president trump has formally submitted his 2020 budget to congress and it appears his promises to slash the debt will be easier said than done. trump is proposing a record $4.7 trillion budget next year with a large focus on increasing defense spending while making cuts to government benefits. joining us, white house correspondent to reuters, jess mason. what does it do to slash the

debt? anything? >> number one, the budget comes after the tax cuts that came through under the trump administration. that reduces the money that comes into the government coffers. and you've got spending increases on the military. so you've got those two things happening at the same time. i think it's also important in any discussion about the budget to men that this landed with a thud on capitol hill. it is a political policy document. it shows what the president care about but it is not something that is likely to become law. >> what do you think, yamiche? >> larry kudlow talked about the idea they think 3% growth is something that will continue. he's pushing back hard on this

idea and said people questioned us and doubted us with 3% growth, we got it last time, we can get it again but experts tell pbs it's not realistic. >> two things plague this budget. first of all, the president does not extend his tax cuts into the future. he doesn't acknowledge the fact the government is going to spend a tremendous amount of money giving tax cuts to the wealthy. in defense spending, they put all the money into the so-called oco account, which is a way to keep it off the books. that's basically a trillion dollar gimmick. i think there will be a much definite. >> and it puts republicans in a little bit of of a bind. it gives perhaps some gifts to the democrats in terms of the or cuts he makes. he makes massive cuts to the state department, to epa, environment, et cetera. democrats can say this is a

policy document and these are all the things we're against. >> what is republican about the president's financial policies at this point? what are we left with? what are they defending? >> he's redefining what conservatism is. it used to be about prudent management. >> maybe conservative is still conservative but the president and the republicans following at this point aren't. >> you can make that argument. i think it's an incoherent document. it throw oos bs there a big num the government at the time when they are failing to decide how to allocate the money. he wants to slash money for medicare. medicare is popular. he's going to have trouble with that. the public's mistrust that donald trump and his administration can take care of

health and welfare strikes me as a problem. it strikes me as a political document, trick gifts to particular interest groups but not coherent as a whole. >> democrat stacey abrams said a potential presidential run this year is not out of the question. she tweeted yesterday, "20 years ago i never thought i'd be ready to run for potus before 2028 but live comes at you fast. and now 2020 is definitely on the table. >> you said in your book if you don't run for president, 202828 will be your book.

>> yes. that is the year. >> that you would run for president? >> yes. i think jobs are stepping stones and you use them as opportunities to learn and more importantly to serve. 2028 would be the earliest i would be ready to stand for president because i would have done the work that i thought necessary to be effective in that job. >> how'd you find her and tell me more. >> i found her at southwest -- >> off to texas. >> she's someone very much wrestling with what to do in the future. she said she's going to make a decision to run for something. she writes about a spreadsheet, he writes, "year, date, job, task." i said let's play a game. what's in your spreadsheet? she said i have to think about

it. she said before it was going to be 2024 when i was going to run for president. and then she said i've had some experiences and now i think i'm ready for 2020. cory booker, kamala harris are other people she can look at to say, hey, she's as popular as us. >> all these people stepping up, all of you just move over, we're coming, we can do this ourselves and figure this out. i also like the women are saying i've been planning to run for president. i've been planning for a long time. it's coming faster than i thought. >> to the spreadsheet. >> yeah. >> people pushed back on me when i said i wanted to run for

president years ago and people said you shouldn't say that out loud. and she said, no, you need to be as ambitious as you want. she shared with me that people told her she's too dark, her teeth are wrong, she should lose weight, you don't look the part. i think it's something that could be part of her message, if she runs in 2020. so there is a senate and possible another governor's run. >> jeff, i want to hear from you. these women are look i've got my spreadsheet be i'm ready and you a have beto and others that are like i just have to think.

>> we'll see if biden comes in how that changes things. particularly presidential politics is so much about knowing your moment. look at barack obama. she's saying maybe 2028 is not my moment. she had a big moment last year and that may help her. >> i do know your value conferences around the country and i keep saying don't miss your moment. is this your moment? is it here, is it here? >> and a voter said i like to go with the hot hand. it's who's hot, who's someone that people are talking about. stacey abrams could have the hot

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the sun is coming up. welcome back. nbc news has on attend an exclusive preview of the annual threat assessment report by the estonian foreign intelligence service which says russia is likely to try and meddle in the upcoming european parliament elections and is likely to continue operations against the west and will continue to

prepare for armed conflict with nato. just a few tips. joining us now, the author of that nbc news exclusive report, national security and mult multi-national reporter. we're still trying to find out what happened the last election here. >> a lot of this is the kind of stuff we've been hearing about russia nor a lofor a long time often online, bringing in people to promote russia or work against someone. but what's particularly interesting about this is this is a look from right next door, from estonia. their biggest threat is russia. much of their intelligent gathering focuses on what russia is up top. they found that russia will likely try to influence and meddle in the may 2019 parliamentary elections for the

e.u. that could have tremendous impact across europe and larger throughout the world. these are five-year-long lkss and the italy, germany and what not. and they use these information campaigns and what not. >> we've been tracking in the united states is that russia's main tool will be this hybrid warfare, wear they'll provide military tower with diplomacy, with intelligence activities with, cyber attacks, with efforts to creep across the border without triggering red lines or a military response from the west but do you see that in the current budge plans?

the pentagon budget focuses on the national defense strategy. so we've seen this tles going to be 685 up to 718 this years, summing gets passed. the report does also focus a little bit and that is something the pentagon plays a lot of attention to. and one of the things that it warns is that russia has upped its game along the western side of the country over to vladimir putin is going to really try to influence and take over belarus and take over mother russia. >> so but, jeremy, to what

extent have we got better and smarter 2016 lebs and monitoring this and regulating it on social media? >> i think it's a key focus is that we're cutting the state department but 25%. there's no way to build up our nato alliances if we're ut. >> great to you have on the show. jeremy bush, thank you wp, coming out against impeachment saying donald trump isn't worth

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we have so many companies coming in, people like tim. you're expanding all over and doing things i wanted you to do from the beginning. i'd say, tim, you have to start doing over here. you put a big investment in our company. we appreciate it very much, tim apple. >> that's the gift that keeps on giving. president trump is still insisting it wasn't a gaffe. yesterday we told up his explanation to a group of republican donors at mar-a-lago, which happened last friday, several of those in attendance is the president said what he really said was "tim cook

apple." now he's saying he left out cook on purpose. he tweeted yesterday at a recent round table i quickly referred to tim plus alple as aniy way oo all over and itactually, what's talking about it is what's really bad. we'd rather you focus on other things. welcome back to "morning joe." it tuesday, march 12th. we have columnist and associate editor for the waut be and joining the us we have kristen

welk welker, robert costa and now msnbc political and lest claire mccaskill is here. joe has the morning off. claire, great to have you. >> thanks. >> i want to get your opinion on this. nancy pelosi saying she's inclined to steer the democratic congress away from impeaching president trump. she said, this is not i don't think we should go down that pass because it divides the country worth it. the spack now using is what she

said there is the bipartisan piece. everyone needs to understand that and is all about paking the wad look they're being hyper political and working against the american voter and blah, blah, blah. i do think she's being very smart here. we want it to be and he is in fact now trying to cut almost a recalled that are really going to resonate with the voters we need to win back. if we're bogged down on impeachment, kwong they are who

are fervent about impeachment will continue to push. >> those who know her, know this is not a speaker of the house, have subtly gone sowno rush o impeachment. shes in she doesn't want to rush to anything. break down this administration. expose them throughout 2019 and 2020 and go into 2020 election with a real case against the president that's been built over time, not rushed through some proceeding. >> kristen welker, for those who believe that president trump -- it would probably frustrate him to hear he's not worth something and would argue that at this point. like, wait a minute, i'm not worth impeachment? i'll going to tell you why. just to be at the center of

attention. is there some of that personal that you hear about at the white house? >> absolutely. it deprives him to some expent his top allies talked impeachment to rally the base. i think robert's absolutely right, it was a deft political move by so piece by piece you have democrats with these investigations effectively pulling off not impeachment but similar forms of investigation against president. >> there are a lot of investigations, david ignatius. jove see the and they're trying to take a loose i think they

can. it apao it's the republican and the president using the" not looking at that approximately o she can change course. >> i at this yousemifinal the centers of her message is we don't want to go down this path because it divides the country and we're the party trying to unite the country. her only problem is she's got all these commit chairmanmen who can can skbrm she'll try to

control that process to keep it on the message she just described. >> i think we need to do the jor side. on. because that is so sent larand remember the public core. what took down history? nrm if president trump is going leave office, if there's a true up sunding sfrfrmt tngs on

things like a national emergency. bob's exact lit right. if there with sfrnl snuchlt better. if we had a group of those republicans, that would be one thing but we do not. so i this what thansy as new hampshire that it will be fact and so we can guild. sfuchlt that will elect a new red president. sixseason fchblt 57% of voters

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party but governor hogan is a formidable contender, should he choose to run for the white house. two-time winner in a blue state like maryland. prn canny put together snrnlt can he win off some can be moving along, the 2020 cycle, he's going to have to maky decision in the be in now. david want to talk about bernie today. form are vice president pmt while sanders is at 25 prts.

. in snorz care 10% and 8% each while beto o'rour gets 6 prt. about a quarter of his support would go to sand sfwrrngs and the re. from so this time around bernie is not the fringe candidate. can you argue that the fringe is now the democratic mainstream but bernie is very much there in the center. and i think the fact that he's growing as most other candidates are staying stuck where they are tells you that he has energy. the person who is going to beat

bernie, in my judgment, maybe biden could rach kraf in, he's pa pfrm -- it either be joe biden or and go down the list. >> who dust can and there's a couple u la noochl and he looks old and new n but for right now bernie is at the sen fer of this roo frm i was saying they feel that beto is the person they're most anxious about, just because of what he managed to do in texas, it did frm they feel he

has the charisma a and we've heard the president talk about him and reference him a number of times. i think he is concern about vags getting into the race as well. it's worse listening closely to see if he gets up any cruise. tho thosethey would be surprised at this point if he doesn't get in and that is going to be a gang change so give me a ball plt cat first of all, bit's your gut? >> i think he runs and he just absolutely kicks it out of the stadium in terms of fund-raising

his first throw weeks. i think his low donor donations will be a story and and of corse. and there's a reason that he's the only candidate the club for growth is running. >> what about pete boouttieg. >> i think bernie about passed out this morning when you called

him a centrist. i mean, bernie is like tearing his very messy hair out of his head right now that someone on this desk called him a centrist. i would disagree that he's a centrist. a and. >> and gilli brbrand, that's a tough one. and on kamala harris, is she

doing as well as you thought she would? >> yes. >> and mr. biden. "joe biden if he wants a show at the title, he'll have to stand up to the harsher in his party. is that his challenge? >> i think the fact that he's so familiar will ultimately be his challenge. it helps now because he's so familiar and people are comfortable saying his name in a poll. but polls are a danger to joe biden. the fact these lost ground are people saying i don't want to go back, i want to go forward. that's not fair to joe biden but it's real. he has to figure out a way that it is about tomorrow.

>> and nothing is fair. >> it does speak to the fact that the party has moved left to some -- now, stand saanders is privately taking credit for that. they're saying things that he introduced, $15 minimum wage. >> it's not that bernie is a centrist, as you say. the party has moved towards bernie and views that seemed fringe and just sort of out of the dialogue, they've become just the conventional wisdom. but claire is absolutely right to scold me for that. >> oh, come on! >> at what point are we going to realize we have to take bernie seriously? we just can't discount him. >> the grievances against the

global economy that helped sustain him in the 2015 campaign -- >> they're still there. >> he's railing against big banks and companies in the same way president trump picks a target -- >> and so isn't elizabeth warren and going up against the tech companies. >> you're right. i think the question for a warren, for a kirsten gillibrand is -- >> a whole lot of people cast a vote for him and he's got an army of people out there who still like what they see. >> kristen welker, please come back. >> thank you. what a pleasure to be here.

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lauren underwood of illinois. i love talking to both of you. you have so much to say and so much to offer. sometimes we're always distracted by things going on in congress. i want to know what you both think about nancy pelosi's pronouncement that president trump is not worth impeachment. >> i did not see the whole breadth of her comments and i'm judiciary, so we are following a process. i completely agree with the sentiment that we need to see where that process leads us. the special counsel has a role. his role is examining what happened in the election and the role russia played and who participated on that. our role on judiciary is broader and it's different. ours is about upholding the rule of law, keep being ting the pren check, making sure we are following our constitution. we are going to do that.

80 letters went out last week and we are in very good hands were chairman nadler. >> and i think she sets a tone that allows you to do your work. >> exactly. >> and while fobs are interested in finding out where we stand on paechl men, we be-- where we std on impeachment. now that we finally have a congress that's willing to uphold its duty under the constitution, there's a lot of interest in that. it's natural, i get it, i understand it, but we're balancing really the two duties. >> lauren underwood, want to know what your thoughts were and the concept of following the

lead of nancy pelosi. also you're on homeland security. how frustrating was that hearing? you're balancing her lead, as i put words in your mouth, that seem inexplicable. >> i haven't received any follow-up. >> no numbers? >> no numbers. >> so either she didn't know or she didn't care and she was neg hi jent. when i go home and talk to families in northern illinois, no one's coming to pao and, what folks want to talk about is how expensive their health care is and what we can do to lower the cost of prescription drugs. to be really candid with you,

that's been my challenge and my focus. we take the mission to protect the homeland very seriously. how, the folks at home are incredibly focused on these concrete, close kitchen table issues like jobs, like health care. >> like what's in front of them. >> that's right. >> i was having a conversation with abigail span burgbu spanbe managed to unseat a republican incumbent. there is frustration from those who manage -- all of the focus has been on the moderates who won the house are being forgott forgotten. how do you handle that? >> i'm a nurse and i came into

congress really focused on these important health care issues. even in the president's budget yesterday, it's like he hasn't learned much from the elections. seeking to repeal the budget and these dras ek medicare and medicaid cuts. i believe this budget doesn't reflect the vool use of and a lot of these sort of sensation al, it just reflects the big tent party that we have. there's a lot of diversity. we're looking at the most and connect with consistencies -- >> clear an amaze job the voters

we need in 2020 are more interested in the price of insulin than they are a lot of the things that are being covered incessantly in the news. talk a little bit more about this budget cut that was proposed yesterday. we're talking about almost a trillion dollars. this is a guy who ran for president saying i will not cut medicaid, medicare or social security, and he just delivered a budget that cuts medicare and medicaid by almost a trillion dollars. talk about that, particularly the impact on hospitaling and. >> so it's critically important. we know what we're look at a and the american people need health care. that are and they went in an

emergency we're just trying to get the care that they need. so to see it politicized in this way and the american people left high and dry is unacceptable. >> congresswoman escobar. you you is -- >> he's a good friend. i've known him for almost two decades. he's a very good person. he's a great public servant, a very special public servant, and i think that folks are very interested in 2020, wanting to know everyone who is going to run and so we'll see what he does. >> all right. i got -- robert, go ahead. >> if he was your standard

bearer in 2020, would that be something you're questionable with? >> great question. >> i think it's really important for senator sanders to continue to sharr his ideas for the country. he obviously has a wide base of support. he's making sure we have health care and clean air and environment and people can access higher education. these are issues important in my community and i think he has a lot of value in the 2020 field. >> there is going to be such a goo opportunity and i think we're going to know pretty soon who all of the major candidates are. and i know that there's this eager sense of who's the frun are, what's it going to look like leading into november of next year.

i think it is so early. i think those poll numbers are going to change drastically and completely but i do think whoever emerges as our person, as the democrat that's going to go up against donald trump in 2020, we all have to come together and make sure that we have a victory next november, that we are really at such a precipice in this country and we still have time to make significant changes in terms of climate change, comprehensive immigration reform, health care. all the issues the american public has wanted us to take action for. we seen in the trump administration a terrible eroded

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they're heading to tallahassee to exercise their rights. chief among their demands is this amendment passed in november is fully implemented. everyone is allowed to register to vote, they get their cards back quickly and there aren't any hiccups. but talk to some people on this side, it doesn't matter if you're a democrat or republican just being be? i just know that it's very good that we restore it. so that's the most important thing, that we have a voice. >> reporter: lance here is a republican just to underscore this point, dmitri is a democrat. lance said when he was in prison, they spent a surprising amount of time talking politics.

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and today the check republic became the newest members of nato. >> never again will your fates be tossed around like poker chips on a bargaining table. >> wow. 20 years ago today. three post-communist countries officially entered nato. on march 12, 1999, the czech republic, hungary and poland became the first -- three former rivals opened a new path for a military alliance. today's anniversary comes as mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi have invited the nato general to address a joint session of congress on april 3rd. joining us now, senior fellow on

international security, ian b a brzezinski, i sort of know him, he's my brother. and a national security analyst, and now president of the carnegie endowment for international peace, william burns, author of "the back channel," memoir for american diplomacy, a case for its renewal." we'll get to the book in just a moment. ian, evelyn, the panel. when we think of russia, do we think of a military risk to member of nato or do they have a rusting, old arsenal and they're not to be worried about so much? >> they're a definite risk. just look at ukraine and georgia, crimea-occupied russian

forces, donesk, a hot war. over the last decade, putin has undertaken a significant modernization of his armed forces and building up the districts including the baltics, poland and ukraine. so the risk of war has heightened in north central europe. >> is that risk heightened even more by trump's dismissal of a nato? >> trump's rhetoric has been destructive but this administration also strengthened american and nato presence on nato's eastern frontier building up our military forces there, influencing the rules of engagement so we're better defended against russian aggression. >> the only problem is the

budget came out yesterday. and while we applaud the trump station for increasing the amount of funding to boost the nato deterrence and help ukraine in particular to continuerussia unfortunately it hasn't been working so we need more money. but the budget actually cut that amount of money. so i am a little bit worried that now the resolve is weakened. >> david ignatius? >> i would like to ask, we're talking about the challenge to nato. i just have had a chance to read ambassador burns' new memoir. i was struck, ambassador, by the way in which you talk about how the expansion of nato without fully resourced ability to follow through on commitments, backed russia into a corner without necessarily good follow through strategies. i wonder if you just address this question we're addressing

here as we're thinking about this anniversary of polands and other countries. what lessons we should draw. >> mr. ambassador >> the bigger concern, at least, was the effort in 2008 to open the door to nato membership for your crane and georgia, not just for vladimir putin but for lots of people in the russian political elite. this was the reddest of red line. that was an effort that at best premature. i think nato itself is an enormously important institution. i think that the trump administration's disdain for alliances and for our capacity for coalition building, i think really weakens america diplomacy, american foreign policy at a moment when it matters more than ever. >> evelyn, what does president trump get wrong about nato and what does he get right? anything? >> as far as what he gets right, my brain is coming up empty at

the moment because frankly speaking we know, i know from my own sources that he actually considered withdrawing us from nato, sort of on-the-spot at the summit last summer. >> does secretary pompeo share his views? do we know? >> according to what i heard he doesn't. but i don't know if you heard different. >> there's trump rhetoric and then action of his administration. they spent $6.5 billion on the european deterrence this year. they provided weapons, lethal weapons, anti-tank systems to you crane and georgia. they are increasing u.s. military presence in central europe. we now have under the trump administration somewhere between 4,000 and 6,000 troops in central europe today. >> right. >> it's probably going to increase with enforcement negotiations going on with poland. yes. it's a mixed message that comes from the trump administration but the rhetoric is also matched by actions.

>> yep. so robert, you've been reporting on former vice president dick cheney and opened a front about trump's foreign policy. tell us about it. >> what a scene over the weekend in georgia at the american enterprise institute, a conservative think tank at a private gathering. he had former vice president cheney sitting there with vice president pence. people expected a chummy conversation between two number two, talked through the vice presidency. it turned into a confront acceleration. former vice president challenging vice president pence on foreign policy, on the nationalism of president trump, on the president's instincts on a lot of his decision-making. vice president pence reportedly, we've seen a transcript at the "washington post" seemed to be somewhat taken aback. at one point he said i can't believe i'm getting these softball questions from the former vice president. he defended president trump. vice president pence even behind-the-scenes he's there

full throttle defense of president trump on all of these issues, even though he's a traditional conservative at least for most of his career on foreign policy. >> david? >> it was fascinating for me this meeting at sea island that vice president cheney said to pence pretty much the meanest thing that a republican today could say to another republican, which is you're foreign policy, trump administration foreign policy reminds me of barack obama's foreign policy. >> that would be an ouch. >> it was a fascinating reassertion of what we think of as the traditional foreign policy order by cheney, strongly interventionist. let's not back away from our commitments. sharply criticized this idea of making nato and other allies in effect pay user fees for having american military forces. i found that extraordinary. again, wondering ambassador burns, who lived through 30 years of american foreign policy, five different presidents, ambassador, whether you had any thoughts as you read

the accounts of this debate between cheney and pence about the future of american foreign policy? >> well, i mean i feel a little bit like senator benson and dan quayle in their vice president debate. i think the trump foreign policy bears no resemblance to the foreign policy that i knew and served in the last administration. and to be honest, in the previous administrations because as you said, david, i worked over the course of 35 years for five presidents and ten secretaries of state. throughout that period with all the differences in approach united states foreign policy enlightened self-interest. our reach overseas was multiplied by our alliances, by our capacity for building coalitions. what you see in this administration, i think, is a very sharp turn from that. you know, a sense that we're better off on our own.

we're kind of like gulliver that needs to break the bonds. that's the wrong instinct. at a moment on the international landscape which is far more competitive and contested than it's been since the end of the cold war. >> another thing that the ambassador talks about in his book is the future of american leadership. it's no longer a given at home or abroad, especially abroad as our father worried about big time in the past few years. talk as we close about the importance of nato and what we can expect from the joint session? >> it's very important secretary-general has been invited to speak to congress. i think it's a brilliant move. it will remind him, it will remind nato, the world that there's more than president trump's rhetoric. there is strong bipartisan congressional support for the alliance. that's critical. >> evelyn? >> i would agree. there are a number of pieces of legislation right now before

congress expressing support for nato and pushing back on russia. i think nancy pelosi is also very wisely once again setting the agenda as she did during the north korea summit when she invited michael cohen to testify. she's saying we also can set the tv and conversational agenda. >> i love it. >> notable that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell is part of this invitation. it shows you congressional republicans asserting themselves on foreign policy, taking a slightly different position than their own president. >> all right. the new book is "back channel a memoir of american diplomacy." we kept the conversations about the parties we had growing up off set. and we kept nato on set. sometimes we mix things up. evelyn, thank you very much. still ahead, house speaker nancy pelosi doesn't believe president trump is up to the job of running the country but she's

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and department of defense now an nbc news national security analyst jerry bash is with us. pbs anchor. and reporter for axios jonathan swan. we begin with house speaker nancy pelosi check mate. she says she's inclined to steer the democratic party caucus against impeaching president trump. yes. against impeachment. after weeks of recognizes claiming that house investigations into the trump administration are on a pretext for his removal. >> congressman nadler decided to impeach the president the day the president won the election. >> trying to get goods on this president in an apparent effort to impeach him. >> a forum to tell stories and lie about the president of the united states so that they can all start their impeachment process. >> this is an attempt to

endanger our president, lay some sort of soft corner stone for future impeachment proceedings. >> there are members here with a singular goal in congress to impeach president trump. >> laying the predicate for the democrats and their crazy impeachment plans. >> speaking to "the washington post" magazine pelosi said and this is kind of fantastic, i'm not for impeachment. this is news i've been thinking about this. impeachment is so divisive to the country. that one less there's something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, i don't think we should go down that path because it divides the country. and he's just not worth it. the speaker now using stronger language about a subject she addressed at the beginning of this congress back in january. >> you said it would be sad and divisive for the country to pursue impeachment. your willing to rule it out? >> we have to wait and see what

happens with the mueller report. we shouldn't be impeaching for a political reason. and we shouldn't avoid impeachment for a political reason. we just have to see how it comes. >> "the washington post" reported at the time that when it comes to pelosi trump has pulled back on his jabs. that's deliberate. aides and advisers said because the president believes she would help him protect from impeachment something he said she personally assured him of during the shutdown. >> we even talked about that today. i said why don't you use this for impeachment. and nancy said we're not looking to impeach you. i said that's good, nancy, that's good. you know what you don't impeach people when they do a good job. >> house members leading some of the investigations into the president agreed with speaker pelosi. speaking to nbc news last night house intelligence chair adam schiff and judiciary chairman jerry nadler told nbc news that

the evidence is not there yet for impeachment. while house financial services chairwoman maxine waters said she believed the speaker had always been clear about her opposition to impeachment and agreed it would take republicans quote who have the courage to do it. so let's all dig into this. i think, david ignatius, this is a brilliant move to make it very clear from the top from nancy pelosi. >> she's wise to threat facts, the case that mueller brings when he finally finishes his report, drive this process, and not seen as a political process led by the democrats. i think that's sensible. you have to look, mika, at what's happened since the mid-terms. the mid-terms, we thought wow a break through. since then very unruly democratic caucus. we had trump gaining little bits in the polls. i think pelosi is reading that as she usually does pretty sensibly. if mueller comes with a strong report that she thinks will

carry an impeachment process she will be back on that theme. >> i love he's not worth it. but this places everybody in a wait an see. what would be worth it. >> it depends the defending of high crimes and misdeamnor. >> what's high crimes and misdeamnor that republicans would agree with. >> obstruction of justice if that would bring republicans over to the side of the those who want to see him impeached. the speaker kept the bar high. under constitution the bar is high. you need a bipartisan vote to have somebody removed from office. in some ways she's stating the fact you need to have republicans if this process will be meaningful. >> aren't they sort of in some ways -- i love this, especially nancy pelosi showing discipline as a leader. i think some of the freshmen

need to watch this and watch how it plays out. are they impeaching him without impeaching him. are the investigations and what we learn along the way doing the job. >> it's chipping away. what nancy pelosi is doing is setting that bar high and signalling to republicans too. look, if you see something we can all agree as a body of congress this is evidence that really the president needs go then we can do that. as a result we don't have to rush to judgment. nancy pelosi is someone who is calculating. she's looking at 2020. we need to figure out messaging and figure out a vision that gives the american people so they will choose us over trump. i think she's focused on that and then not wanting to get in this battle ahead of 2020. >> democrats need a candidate that can win. it's important in many ways much more important for the voters to

decide this and i think pelosi is right to lead down that path. but i love this from the point of view of a female in power, of a woman leader. i think this move was strategically significant. sometimes you have to dial back in order to move forward. you don't want to move forward all out front because you have nowhere to go. this is pulling back in a brilliant way, he's not worth it. >> he knew this was her position. conversations i had with pelosi. she didn't want to go down impeachment route unless there was bipartisan support. but putting out a message to many female freshmen, let's not talk about this. this becomes a big distraction. what are the two big distractions the white house is trying to beat up the democratic party on. impeachment and socialism. let's take impeachment off the table. we've had a rough couple of weeks.

let's get focus back on -- what got them in the house in the mid-terms. focusing on health care and jobs. they are trying to pass them but getting overshadowed. >> there's dismissiveness there that you have to acknowledge. president trump as much as he likes to beat up on the media he likes to watch himself. he likes to watch people talking about him. he likes the idea of himself thinking of this orbit, the sun that everybody is rotating around. for nancy pelosi to say that guy in the white house i'm not worried. that has to drive the president nuts especially coming from this woman. >> no, no, impeach me. >> he would love to be the center of attention whether it's good or bad. >> he respects nancy pelosi the way he doesn't other people. to hear from her stunningg a li. >> nancy pelosi has proven she's as clever as is tough. i talked about this before.

she's now dismissed both the left's obsession with a dangerous and likely doomed effort to impeach trump and trump himself driving him crazy. pelosi basically told "the washington post" this man is not worthy of the office he holds and you have to work around him. he's not worth dividing the country any more. it's true. he's not. based on what we know now that she says let's focus on having voters retire trump in 2020, a very patient, deliberate, smart move by the speaker. jonathan swann how are democrats reacting. impeachment words is being used more by republicans. it's a great power play in them starting to push the shrill part forward. nancy pelosi is pulling back all the chips. >> republicans have been talking

about it far more than democrats have and you saw a brief burst of democrats, a few prominent democrats talk about impeachment of a the buzzfeed story which has been muddied and walked back a little bit. none of the leader have. you haven't seen nadler or pelosi or any of the leaders come out for impeachment. there's a really important point that needs to be made which is while most of the media attention is focused on a few freshman house democrats who are very, very progressive, there are a lot of democrats who were elected in trump districts and they are quite moderate. i was on fox on sunday and in the green room was katie hill from california. trump district. a lot of them. they are not happy with some of the things that happened so far. nancy pelosi is trying to bring her caucus back on track. they've been quite distracted. last week was the big unveiling of hr-1 which was a huge sweep

anti-corruption bill. there was this debate about anti-semitism. she's pulling it back and saying let's just calm dourng let's wait for the evidence to come out. she doesn't want to get ahead of public opinion. she hinted at it publicly for the last six months. katy's point is exactly right on this. >> still ahead on "morning joe" nancy pelosi has to deal with politics but bob mueller doesn't. we'll run through the latest on the russian probe including new moves regarding paul manafort. you're watching "morning joe". we'll be right back. >> tech: at safelite autoglass,

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campaign chairman man will get more prison time. roger stone will get a trial date which could put a timeline on when the public will learn more about his alleged contacts with wikileaks. status reports are due from michael flynn and rick gates, two of mueller's biggest cooperateors. those reports could signal whether the special counsel has tapped them for all the information investigators need. this week might even include attorney general william barr announce mueller has completed his investigation. politico notes that each of these events could ignite furious debate on capitol hill over everything from presidential pardon powers to obstruction of justice charges to what we were just discussing on whether democrats should launch impeachment proceedings and jeremy bash, there's so much going on, so many facets to each investigation and shiny objects flying around.

what your looking at that's the most significant investigation or part of the investigation to follow especially as nancy pelosi pulls back on a macro level and says everybody wait. >> in concrete terms the most important thing is the manafort sentencing in the d.c. case. the judge there could hand him an additional ten years above and beyond the four years he received in the virginia case. he's looking at a significant amount of time. of course some of that sentence could run concurrent. ly. i think he'll get between nine and ten years all told which for a 69 year old man is a significant prison sentence. there are other status updates. some people believe mueller is close to finalizing his report and putting it out. >> we heard this before. >> there's so many things happening. we have yet to even have the discovery in the roger stone case let alone bring him to trial. there are so many balls in the air. i can see them telegraphing when a report might to be done, talking about the end game but i don't know we'll see the report this week.

>> david, what stand out to you >> what stand out the me is that unless bob mueller has a hold card that he hasn't turned over -- we've seen a lot of cards turn and some impressive ones. we haven't seen the card that really is a conspiracy between russian intelligence operatives and the trump campaign. we've seen little bit, lower level people but not what you call a conspiracy. unless that card is there ready to flip over i think we'll end up with a report pretty much with what we've suspected. there will be more about obstruction than the republicans think. less about collusion than many democrats think. so we'll be -- i think that will be setting the table as we head into this debate. but with mueller, i've said before he's like a shark. you don't see him until a fin breaks the water. we could have one of those moments. >> that keeps us on intelligent

of our seats. >> we know whether there will be indictments against other members of the family close to donald trump. so even if there is not that silver bullet of collusion, if don jr. for example were to be indicted the whole mueller probe takes a different life of it's own. >> i think it's the southern of district that could be fascinating. everything that's happened so far, the indictments, it's staggering what we've seen in this presidency. we're like what's next? what could be next? >> in only two years if you think about the time that ken starr took. bob mueller has been working very efficiently and taken down the chairman, deputy chairman of the national security adviser and a series of other advisors. the big issue is less about whether or not there was some discussion or high level conspiracy between russian intelligence and the trump campaign.

that doesn't need to happen. what the russians did is they telegraphed to the trump team we're helping you. we're also -- we have leverage over you and there are these financial relationships. the real issue is whether or not trump's foreign policy reflect somehow him being beholden to the russian federation. >> coming up the outgoing mayor of chicago, rahm emanuel joins the conversation. but first, an update on that airline disaster in east africa. a boeing jetliner is now being grounded on tarmacs around the world bp but what about here at home. tom costello has a live report from reagan tional. "morning joe" is back in a "morning joe" is back in a moment.

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very latest on this. >> reporter: this morning boeing is on notice. the faa says it expects to order mandatory design changes to the 737 max 8 by the end of april. overnight australia became the latest country to ground the mack 8 until investigators get a read out from the ethiopian airlines black box. china and indonesia had already made the decision to ground along with about two dozen airlines. the critical question, is there any connection between the max 8 crash in ethiopia and the lion air max 8 crash in indonesia last october? in a letter to boeing employees the ceo writes, we are confident in the safety of the 737 max and in the work of the men and women who design and build it. but a former ntsb chairman says the worldwide fleet should be grounded including those flown in the u.s. >> an aircraft ought to ground

these aircraft. >> reporter: the faa say investigators are at the crash seen with the ntsb. if we identify an issue that affects safety the faa will take immediate action. flight attendants union want concrete action. >> we're calling for transparency so crews and traveling public can have full confidence. >> reporter: along 157 people that died, 19 united nations workers. passengers from nearly 30 different countries. 32 kenyans, 18 canadian, 9 ethiopians and eight americans. two americans now identified as melvin and bennett riffle, brothers from california were returning from a trip to australia. melvin and his wife were expecting their first child in the spring. >> these guys were wonderful and will be missed deeply by this immunity. >> reporter: a third american identified overnight a member of the u.s. military.

also among the victims a doctor at east tennessee state university who was flying to kenya to see her sister who had just given birth to triplets. sara harmon is in nairobi, kenya the plane's intoned destination. >> reporter: this is the terminal where passengers should have arrived. instead their grief-stricken families are receiving counselling at a hotel nearby. >> reporter: the pressure is on investigators to find out why two brand-new planes suddenly fell out of the sky and whether both crews struggled to keep the plane in a trim or level flying condition. >> if it's a trim problem it's going to be a major issue that they have to solve in a hurry. that could result in actually them grounding the airplane. >> reporter: mika, an important note here. that is american and southwest fly the max 8 here. united flies the max 9. all of them are standing behind the aircraft.

they believe ate good safe aircraft. they have no reservations. it's flown by a bunch of canadian airlines. they are standing behind it. this morning australia is among those countries that's banning or grounding this plane for now so the pressure is on the faa and investigators learn what is on and in those black boxes to determine if there's some sort of fatal flaw with this plane that's so widely flown and so popular around the world. >> is the next step possibly grounding these planes in the u.s.? what would that take for that to happen? what's the economic impact? are there enough parallels between the two crash? >> reporter: there are certainly parallels that have been concerned. the planes were both brand-new. both crashed on takeoff or within ten minutes of takeoff. both pilots reported erratic speed readings. both had trouble controlling the plane. the faa is not going act until it knows decisively whether

there's some data that is in fact cause for concern. data out of the flight data reporter and what the cockpit voice recorder says. that information will feed into whether the faa decides and has to act. at the moment it won't act. it doesn't think the data is there. as for the economic fallout boeing has paid a bit of a price on wall street with the stock dropping. . but the full fallout of this is yet to be determined. >> nbc's tom costello. thank you very much. up next two nbc news exclusive on the biggest thames that have not entered the 2020 democratic race. and rahm emanuel tells us three things democrats need to know so they don't lose to donald trump in 2020. keep it here on "morning joe".

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race. we're learning more when beto o'rourke will reveal his much anticipated, much thought about, much pondered decision as he heads to iowa this weekend. msnbc correspondent garrett haighs is right here. a powerful union gave us exclusive insight into why joe biden is its choice. nbc news national political reporter joins us with more on that. mike, who is biden speaking to today? >> reporter: yeah, mika. you can see behind me this is the annual gathering of the international association of firefighters. this is a group that in past presidential cycles has invited candidates of both parties. in 2015 they had democratic and republican. this year they invited only one person and that's joe biden. if there's any doubt about the vice president' plans this group is pretty clear in sending a message today. these signs which i hold up

here. this is on the chair for every member here. this is potentially a make-or-break point for biden's candidacy as his aides have been playing for a potential 2020 campaign. they envisioned an april launch date. that means this is the week the vice president needs to make a final decision so they can gear up. today we've seen the president do a handful events since the mid-term elections. this is his political event since then. this is a chance for him to restore the confidence of the middle class. to restore civility in our politics. naturally the urgency of defeating donald trump. >> let's listen to a little bit of what the firefighters union president told you yesterday, mike about the direction of the democratic party. >> it's fair to say that the members i represent, which are

middle class workers, which are those workers that have moderate views and are not interested in identity politics. we have a lot of good people running. but i personally see the party beginning to lurch too far to the left. i think joe biden has the voice, the experience, and the reach to the workers, working families. not just union members. these are progressives. i guess i'm taking a lot of liberty here. he's not an ultraliberal, you know. he's not a democratic socialist. >> mike, he must be close joe biden to making a decision. he's speaking there today. >> reporter: that's right. also he would be very surprised at this point if the vice president doesn't make a decision. one of the last hurdles as the

vice president's team considers this election whether indeed he's right. whether the mainstream of the democratic party is closer to joe biden than let's say an alexandria occasio-cortez. those workers in the midwest that put president trump in the white house and that potentially joe biden thinks he can uniquely appeal to in the field in 2020 to beat donald trump. >> thank you very much. now let's turn to garrett haight. . beto, go. it is happening? what are we doing? >> it's happening. he's made a decision. >> he's thinking about making a decision. >> they are pondering the right way to announce it. this is the challenge. he told me at the end of his campaign tore senate he had no interest in running for president. >> do you know the women running for president. they have spread sheets, plans, they know they are running. >> this is something they are preparing to deal with. >> oh, my god. i hope we don't have a crisis if he has a president. . >> he's been trying to work

through these things. the other problem is this is somebody when he was out of office had no more office, had no p.a.c. or institute like biden does. they are doing this from scratch. officially made no hires, zero not one. they have people who are ready to go when they press the go button and trying to get this done. i picked up on that. >> robert costa? >> welcome to national politics, congressman o'rourke. you're running for senate in texas in 2018. every democrat in the country wanted him to beat senator ted cruz. if he enters this race crowded field, high stakes, high scrutiny. the spotlight is on every decision you made in the past. your conduct. your legislative record. ate new ball game for the congressman. >> whether or not you go to the dentist. >> he'll have a millennial base, a social media. what's his agenda. what's his issue. senator war rern trying to break up the big tech companies. senator sand engineer a

democratic socialist. congressman o'rourke has popularity, a name but what's his agenda? he has to make a case to the party onbeing somebody who was inspiration to them in 2018. >> join us for this conversation and continue mayor of chicago, democrat rahm emanuel. mayor rahm emanuel has a new piece in the atlantic magazine entitled how not to lose to donald trump. we need this article in which he says a winning 2020 candidate needs three things. authenticity. credibility. and viability. he writes in part earth to democrats, republicans are telling you something when they gleefully schedule votes on proposals like the green new deal, medicare for all and 70% marginal tax rate when they are more eager to vote on the democratic agenda than we are. we should take a step back and ask ourselves whether we're inadvertently letting the political battle play out on

their turf rather than our own. if trump's only hope for winning a second term turns on his ability to paint us as socialists, we shouldn't play to type. this campaign is going to be less about ideological purity and litmus tests and more about how voters size up the candidate. as democrats our first, second and third priorities should be to produce a candidate who will appeal to the widest swath of moderate and progressive voters. until january 21st, 2021 we have to make sure everything else is set aside. who is doing that so far? we have a lot of freshmen in congress who are making a lot of noise and getting a lot of attention feign look at their standing politically, they haven't been around for a while. their districts that they won in, they won by a couple of thousand votes. they don't necessarily represent

the mainstream but yet getting a lot of play. >> i think you brought up they are getting a lot of play. they won their district. they represent their district. they bring energy. that's the positive. my one recommendation to democrats if you look back in the last 25 years one of the most important things president clinton did was pass his first budget and a senator from nebraska who was the key vote. when president obama passed health care the most significant social policy since medicare and medicaid a nebraska senator was the key vote in the u.s. senate. so it is important to have the energy that some of the freshmen members are bringing, but you should remember this is a big country with a lot of diversity and we want democrats from all parts of the country. i don't think you should be putting any of your majority members that won in marginal districts where they have to be responding to what a person out of queens or out of minnesota, suburban minneapolis is saying. they should be able to be

talking about what their legislating on, prescription drug cost control, transportation bills, what they are doing for veterans. those are the core issues we won on. that's how you will win in 2020. should not be about issues that distract from what you won on and you had a pledge to the voters and that's what we have to do. that's number one. number two a lot -- donald trump told us what he was going to do. call us socialist. don't serve slow pitches over the center of the plagiarist acting to type. i think it's a real mistake. and then the candidates through the process, the third point i would make through the presidential process will reveal themselves. is less about ideology, although ideas matter in politics and more about the character of the person. there are seminal moments that will reveal that character. >> "rapid fire" ten seconds answers. >> there's a lot of authenticity, a lot of credibility in the field we have. who has the viability to win in

pennsylvania, arizona and ohio. >> who is it? >> it's a good question but you won't know until this process plays itself out. you couldn't tell ronald reagan until he said i paid for this microphone. you couldn't tell bill clinton until he took the punches of jennifer flowers, the draft letter and showed he was a come back kid. you need a moment that reveals the stamina and steel of that person. >> robert. >> mayor, you served in the white house with vice president biden. is he the man, the candidate for this moment? >> look, joe has a tremendous to offer. i would slightly on the coverage i would say he's doing exactly right. he shouldn't actually -- he doesn't need name i.d. shouldn't run too early. he should as he did when he went to nato speak in a large way to speak about america's role in the world. i don't know what he'll say today to the firefighters. as soon as he becomes a candidate it will be judged that way. he should talk in broad terms about the america he wants to

see but not in the tone of restoring but in building to the future. my only concern about joe, and i wouldn't rush to be a candidate, the concern i have for joe is he looks a little too restoration and not enough change. >> we've seen with elizabeth warren how the president will savage these candidates as they rise up. how do you think candidates should respond? should they get in the mud with the president or should they try to take the high road? >> first of all you're looking for one ticket. one tool in the tool box. there will be times where you take your chop right back at him. other times you'll take a punch and go above him. so i think the idea you'll find one tool that's going define the tool box is a mistake. there are times, in fact, you want to take it to donald trump and other times as nancy pelosi just said you just want to flick him away. so i would not say you should think oh, you got to go down, you got to go high. you got to do what you got to do

to win. >> how do you think that impeachment argument will play into this. is this something democrats should be talking about? >> no. in general less investigation and more legislating right now. i would say this. if there's a moment in time that it warrants itself and you got to go back to nixon. democrats saw it as an opportunity and the republicans saw him as a liability. we're not there yet. so i would just say there's a lot to investigate. mueller is the beginning of a process. not the end. and this is going to go -- energy will go on what's going on in new york. congress will take the document. always look, feel and taste as totally professional. just follow facts. >> mr. mayor, the striking thing in the polls right now is how strong bernie sand serious. it's surprising. he's gaining relatively to where he was in january. what doe that tell you and is bernie going to run out of gas?

is this a phenomenon that's going to keep growing or is there a natural limit? >> you guys want to predict what's going to happen and the great thing about politics you can't do that. okay. he's growing now. when the field gets filled out and people start going through the process of both ideas, media voters, retail of politics and people -- one of the great things about campaigns they reveal something. voters will lift the hood, check the oil, kick the tires, move the mirrors around, seeing what the seats feel like and that's what they are in the process. i would not get too hyper ventilating where we are today. >> we're not hyper ventilating. seriously. >> when you said like beto o'rourke doesn't need to rush. >> okay. exactly. >> that's possible but we're all from the same mother. >> makes sense. here's the thing. bernie is winning. everyone under estimates him. we can learn from the past.

we don't know what will happen. we all learn that. but if biden stepped out it looks like support would go to him according to polls. has he been under estimated? >> the reason i say what i said. i've been in two presidentials. if you look at this point, you guys are seeing hillary as front-runner to barack obama. at this point you're waiting for bill bradley, mario cuomo or jay rockefeller to get in and bill clinton was a governor from arkansas running for vice president. the question i would say is take a deep brett. don't tell the voters what will happen. let them tell us. that's so out of character for all of us. >> president trump actually joe does say what would happen and unfortunately he's been right. president trump tweeted the following moments ago which appears to be a quote from a spokeswoman who was on fox earlier. he says jewish people are

leaving the democratic party. we saw a lot of and israel policies start under the obama administration and it got worsts and worse. there sent a semitism in the democratic party. they don't care about israel or the jewish people. >> well first of all there's moderate republicans leaving the republican party as we just saw in 2018. here's what i would say to donald trump. you're the person that ran the ad with money and star of david behind him. you're the person that ran an ad that said the big international bankers and had nothing but jewish people and images behind him. when it comes to using symbols and characters of anti-semitism i don't take anything from president trump who played in a bark place. and you said there was a moral equivalency between bigots in virginia and those fighting bigotry, you have a moral challenge when it comes to understanding and the level of

hatred associated with anti-semitism because you played in a dark space. >> mayor rahm emanuel great to have you on the show. great to see you. take care. haake, thank you as well. up next, robert mueller, house democrats and the southern district of new york all investigating president trump or his businesses. now we can add new york's attorney general to that list, too. that's next on "morning joe." we're paying the highest prescription drug prices in the world so they can make billions? americans shouldn't have to choose between buying medication and buying food for our families. it's time for someone to look out for us. congress, stop the greed. cut drug prices now.

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mr. trump is a cheat. i am giving to the committee today three years of mr. trump's personal financial statements from 2011, 2012, and 2013. which he gave to deutsche bank to inquire about a loan to buy the buffalo bills and to forbes. it was my experience that mr. trump inflated his total assets when it served his purposes such as trying to be listed amongst the wealthest people in forbes and deflated his assets to reduce his real estate taxes. >> that testimony from michael cohen to the oversight committee and documents he turned over reportedly led to subpoenas issued yesterday by the new york state attorney general to deutsche bank and investors bank seeking records relating to the financing of four major trump

organization projects and a failed effort to buy the buffalo bills in 2014. the new york attorney general has broad authority under state law to investigate fraud and can find or, in extreme cases, go to court to try to dissolve a business found to have engaged in repeated illegalality. the times reports that deutsche bank and investors bank declined to comment while the trump organization did not respond. joining us member of the oust oversight committee congresswoman stacey plaskett. we need to do a show in your district. first time on "morning joe." welcome. it's going to be fun. i want to get your reaction overall to nancy pelosi's leadership and the recent comments that were published that impeachment is so divisive to the country and that president trump should -- she would not support it, and president trump is not worth it.

>> i agree completely with that sentiment. i think there is a large portion of the democratic caucus who just want to get to legislating. we recognize that there is information which has been withheld from the american people for the last two years, but in fact we need to get that information out and let them make the decision. i worked for james comey at the justice department. i think he said it best, that what would be the greatest effort for our democracy is for the american people to oust president trump. not for it to be done -- >> i know you work with elijah. as he said recently, there is so much to go through and so many different questions to ask. this is not something that can be flashed in a headline. it's a methodical process. >> i want to follow up on what mika is asking, congresswoman. your committee and other committees in the house are just rearing to go with their investigations, subpoenas, all these witnesses by the dozens,

documents, and to the public that's going to look like the very thing nancy pelosi is warning against. >> exactly. >> divisive. how to you stop that? >> i think what we have to do within the committees is be very methodical, be very decisive, stay within our lanes to get the investigations out while at the same time working on legislation and making sure the american people are aware of the legislation that we are doing. i'm concerned about transportation. as i said to you guys off the air, i'm still concerned about the virgin islands not facing the recovery in the manner and the speed which it should be done. is this administration slow walking many of the funding that congress put in place? so we need to get that word out to the american people while at the same time not giving the president a pass in terms of his actions and what he has been doing. >> thank you. i hadn't realized how bad it is, the tourism industry and the schools not open. every time that a big request

for documents is made, 81 documents have been requested from lots of different people, it dominates headlines. you may be trying to legislate, but the investigation, even if it's not impeachment, they are going to draw the focus of media attention. how do you get around that? can you say to chairman cummings, enough, stop? >> i think chairman cummings himself is trying hold many of the members of our party in rein, not overblowing this and not making it the total focus. he has had hearings on drug pricing, which we know is very important to the american people also. remember, we have to remember that there are over 30 members of congress who are sitting in trump districts. we need to give them the air and the oxygen to say what they are doing so that they can hold those seats while at the same time keeping the progressives and keeping the base informed in the manner that keeps them energized to go into the 2020 election. >> you have been talking a lot

about 2020. where are your thoughts on the race? >> my thoughts are to hold my powder dry and see what happens after the first couple of debates. of course, there are some individuals that i like better than others, but the american people are going to -- >> who do you like better than others? >> i love my sister kamala harris. >> i agree. >> but i, as a moderate democrat, am looking for a moderate who can really not just keep the nomination, but can take us through into the general election. >> a lot of what rahm said appealed to a wide swath of what's happening in noramerica. it's a challenge. trump makes it even more of a challenge. we will talk about his prospects for winning on another version, another day, another time on "morning joe." congresswoman, thank you very much. will you come back? >> i will if you come down to the virgin islands. >> deal. >> that was so easy. okay. thank you very much. and that does it for us this morning. chris jansing picks up the

coverage right now. >> thank you. imhope that invitation extends to the 9:00 a.m. hour. hello there. this morning he is just not worth it. speaker nancy pelosi saying she is not for impeachment and directing democrats away from it despite some in congress clamoring for those proceedings, saying it would take something overwhelming and bipartisan as we await the release of the mueller report. >> i'm saying we are for the people to take their eye off that ball, it's not worth it. that's why i say impeachment is not worth it. >> flight risk. more countries and airlines grounding the boeing 737 max 8 after its second deadly crash in five months. and growing calls this morning for the faa to do the same. why are u.s. airlines keeping those planes in the skies? and breaking overnight, american diplomats ordered out of the u.s. embassy in venezuela amid a humanitarian crisis that's had that country in