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starting to take shape. we're going to dive into those 2020 developments in a few minutes. plus there are those incredible details from massive college add missions fraud case announced by the justice department. we'll get to that too. we begin tonight with the escalating fall out from nancy pelosi's defiant comments that impeaching president trump isn't worth it. she took it a step further by saying this. >> your paychecks by building infrastructure of america and cleaner government by passing hr1. that's our agenda and focus to take our eye off that goal is not worth it. that's why i say impeachment is not worth it. they want to impeach president bush for the iraq war. i didn't bloeliever it in then. i didn't believe it in now

unless there's some conclusive evidence that takes us to that place. >> no ambiguity there. she's set a bar for impeachment that's untattainable in this political environment. it seems no one can agree on what she meant. democrats have been all over the place on this one. some are saying she meant to rule it out. others are saying she didn't pit she means it's too early to talk impeachment or she meant we have to see the mueller report first. republicans are a bit befuddled. some are saying she meant progressives are out of control or she meant to exonerate the president or meant to dacall ou 2020 democrats. what did she mean? the answer will have profound consequences from about everything from the results of mueller probe which could be handed to the justice department any moment now or last week to the 2020 campaign. robert costa is a washington post national political reporter and msnbc political analyst. he joins tonight's panel charlie

savage, and brad todd. robert, let me start with this. is this a case where nancy pelosi is counting votes and she says there's an impeachment and there isn't going to be impeachment because the votes aren't there. >> she knows the votes aren't there because the mueller report hasn't come out. she's a patient, political leader. she knows she wants this administration to come under scrutiny but she wants it to be part of a process so she can make the case to voters in 2020 that the democrats didn't rush it for partisan points. >> i found it aodd today. the trump campaign is the only entity we heard from first. they put out a press release. every single democratic running for president should be made to answer. do they agree with speaker who

stands in opposition to baseless impeachment charges or will they risk fakturing the country by bowing to the radical elements who want to disenfranchise the american people. robert, i don't believe she said that the charges were baseless or anything like that. it does seem as if the trump campaign wants to create a wedge d but don't know how to do it. >> definitely correct. talking to house democrats. they told me that speaker pelosi is trying to be a leader and push back against the trump administration and republican allies as they try to seize on issues like the debate over israel inside the democratic party. the talk about impeecachment. this is the democratic party saying hold on, it's been a rough two months on certain fronts. let's stop the impeachment talk. let's cool it down. the republicans want to continue

to fuel those flames. >> they do. >> maria, it's interesting, al green who has been the leading charge, the texas democrat, we have a duty to impeach when we see that crimes have been committed. period. she said it's not about whether it's worth it, it's our obligation to the american people and the institution. alexandria ocasio-cortez, i happen to disagree with speaker pelosi's take but at least the speaker. i think we'll see. this isn't going to sit well with a lot of progressives. >> what we're seeing is history's prologue. nancy pelosi was there when newt gingrich said we're going to throw everything at bill clinton. we're going to impeach him and they lost the house she recognizes they have to be steady. they have the voters. not left of her but the voters to. i think she's biding her time. she wants the mueller report. that's when the gloves will come off. >> this feels like somebody who has learned a lot of lessons

over the years. >> i can't believe i have livered to see the day when snan ci nancy pelosi is the voice of reason in the democratic party. that's how far the democrats have moved in the last 12 months. >> this is her realizing she's seen whether it's been -- she's seen recent examples that want to make a political point and long term examples where house pla j majority make a point. what does it get her? >> she may get rolled on this as well. they want to beat donald trump more than they want to breathe. they want to beat him last week. >> charlie. you got to listen to this. >> nancy pelosi said impeaching

the president isn't worth it. do you disagree? >> i agree we have to proceed with caution and that is the position of the overwhelming majority of the members of the house democratic caucus. >> boy. it was a hostage response there. he didn't like that. >> how to we interpret these words? is she gaslighting. >> providing cover. if she said i want to impeach him. it's premature but it would be great. we need the facts first. i think she's still in a position if fact dos emergs do the mueller report is in something like that that no one is expecting at this point. she can be the person who is the older, wiser hand who more in sorrow than anger is forced to do this terrible thing for the country. in the meantime it reduces the pressure on the democrats to be only the oppositional, burn the

house down party which is how trump wants to portray them. >> robert, i've been thinking, i think president trump would like nothing more than to realize in some ways impeachment is in the lands of one person, nancy pelosi. every time there's a new development, we will go to speaker pelosi, all right now, all right now. i'm curious how the president is going to react to the fact, essentially, nancy pelosi is secured saying i will decide when we go after there president or not. she's been in this position before. how is president trump handle that? >> based on my reporting, it's been unsettling to some to trump add vie advise advisers. they would like to see democrats pulled into the impeachment talk about every report. they want them to feel that twitter is real life. that slice of the discourse is

everything. speaker pelosi recognizes that 2018 elections were won in the suburbs where people who aren't on twitter all day, aren't talking about twitter aimpeachm day. those are the voters who pulled the lever. >> sounded like he was not happy that nancy pelosi was thinking what you just said. >> i think nancy pelosi is smart to say there shouldn't be an impeachment because there's no grounds to do it. if you watch what this new democratic socialist party is doing, they wanted to impeach this president for no other reason than dislike of the president. what did they say on their first day of being sworn in as they are sitting around? it's their ultimate goal to impeach the president regardless of the rule of law. >> if you were him, you'd try to do the same thing today. it's clearly a wedge they wish they had. >> also want to note that we're about to have a presidential

campaign start and every other e-mail send out will be the word impeachment or high crimes or my demeanor. >> i think this theory there will be more republican fund raising e-mails that mention the i word than democrats. you know this world. the i word motivates republican donors, doesn't it. >> i think the undoing of an election and voters see there's another election right around the corner. they think it means democrats don't accept the last one. >> i think what she's doing is starting to construct her own ring for the democrats. we have been very much in the republican ring being on the defensive side when it comes to anti-wall, anti- -- >> it started off that way. when you start off with a shutdown it was on republican terms. >> now she's building her own

ring. she says that plays well to republicans but not to our base. we should invest that 8 billion that you want now into jobs of the future. those are going to be talking points not just for her but the rest of the democrat party. that's interesting. >> idemocrat fls ths in the hou going open throttle on investigating trump. >> dwroo you think that undermi that? does it take away from the urgency of the investigations if she is saying it's not going to lead to anything? >> she's not saying that. she's saying right now there's no clear and compelling evidence. that doesn't mean tomorrow there may not be. >> she's trying to make sure democrats don't get their hopes

up. >> she's stoking it so emotions peak. >> robert costa there's another part of the comment she made when she basically said she's unfit on every level. we know how sensitive the president gets on personal insults. i imagine -- i guess i have to say i'm surprised he's been silent on that. >> this was not soft statement by speaker pelosi at all. she's sharp when it comes to attacking the president's decision making and leadership. what she's really doing is trying to protect the house's political capital over the impeachment process down the line if it ever happens because she knows that down the line a presidential candidate will try to push house democrats around and say now is the time. maybe the eventually democratic nominee. she's getting out there early and saying i'm the speaker. i control the process. >> there's another aspect is she

does say that she wants to do infrastructure, prescription drugs. there's a couple of things they can do business together. in impeachment has begun, you can't do business together. >> i think democrats have clamored for that forever. the president has followed through on it. >> there's a business to do with them if they choose to do it. >> there has been from the start. plenty of republicans were concerned at the start of the administration that democrats would co-op the president's agenda. that proved to be impossible. democrats didn't have the discipline to do it. there are things that could happen between the two of them. >> does this put, i assume the moderates are leaved. i've had them on be they don't like answering this question. >> not with the rhetoric we heard about the new democratic socialist party. most of the new democrat who is came to take over are the return of the blue dog democrats.

they do not want there. they want to be seen as the return of sober, normal government. not radical wombomb throwers li the people getting the headlines. >> without impeachment as the foil, what will the president use? >> he will take up the talking points that you continue to hear. trying to take a few members of congress that are democratic socialist and paint the whole party as this so called democratic socialist party. you see it for vice president pence on the campaign trial. that line he repeated from the state of the union. this country will never be a socialist country. >> while i have you here, robert, you had the story about dick chaney interviewing mike pence. does the president think the vice president did a good job of pushing back on vice president chaney? >> i haven't spoken to president

trump about it. people inside of the white house tell me they were reading those lines carefully and they saw that vice president pence was forceful in his defense of the trump administration. they are always watching inside of this administration. how much are you really out there defending. pence continues to prove he's an unwaivering ally. >> i think they must be glad the transcript reads the way it does compared to what you hear from when folks watched that back and forth. thank you, sir. coming up, the dilemma nancy pelosi's comments could pose with the democrats. democrats

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trauma of an impeachment is putting the kcountry through failed impeachment. >> are fellow house democrats on board? he voted to advance impeachment and opposed pelosi's bid for speaker. good to see you, sir. >> good to be back. >> speaker pelosi seemed to take impeachment off the table. is that what you heard? if not, what did you hear? >> i'm not going to speak for the speaker. i'll tell you what my position is congress does two things. we vote on things and before we do that, we should be debating them. i do think that there's ample evidence out there that we should be debating impeachment. that's why voted with -- >> what would that look like? >> that means holding hearings. asking questions. what's going on with these

hotels in russia, the security clearances in the white house. however, i will say that we shouldn't have a vote until later, until the mueller report comes out. >> what's the difference between having it as an impeachment hearing and an oversight hearing. in some ways you're having impeachment hearings without calling them impeachment. is that fair? >> it's fair comment but i think it's fair to sigh thereay there going onto say are these high crimes and misdemeanors. why are we so afraid to have that debate? >> i may think he should be impeached. i may think democrats may have the votes here but there aren't the votes on the republican

side. if you don't have the votes, what are you doing. it's the wasted vote. what is the unintended consequence of that thinking. >> i think we're totally unprepared for the possibility that the mueller report doesn't have a smoking gun. to me this comes back to what is our constitutional responsibility. i understand you can't divorce the politics from this. sometimes doing the right thing is taking the politics out and saying looking at the facts, should we have this debate. i think it's clear we should. >> a lot voters will say i don't like the guy but we have an election in 18 months, let's let the voters decide. what do you think of that? >> it's fair but the constitution demands we have a debate when the president does things that are illegal.

some americans may say i want to re-elect the guy. that's fine. we have a role to have this debate. all during the republican majority, they would pass bills without having a debate. they pass the tax bill without a single hearing, no debate. they tried to repeal obama care without any debate about replacing it with anything. let's not repeat that debate. that's our job in congress and then we can decide how to vote. >> you've been on again, off again on presidential. you seem to be back on again. there wasyou pulled away from running. where are you? >> i had a daughter. i've never been a father before. i said, i can't possibly make a

decision like this until i understand what it's like. >> did you get the instruction manual? mine didn't come with one. >> it's been amazing experience. i love kids. i wasn't necessarily a baby guy. do you want to hold the baby? i might drop it. i love it. i needed to understand what that was all about before i made a decision. i like being a dad even more than i expected even though she can't talk to me yet. i can't believe how much i miss her when i go away for four days awe a week to come down here. it makes you think a lot more about your future and the world that you're leaving for her. >> you sound like somebody that is not running until that last second. it sounded like personally, you don't want to do it. professionally you want to. >> it's hard on the family but i don't want my daughter growing

up in this world. >> what's missing in the field that you think you can provide right now? >> there's a few things we need in the next president. first of all, we need someone who can beat donald trump. second, we need someone who is bring the country back together again once we do. this country is so terribly divided. if we have someone whether it's from the right or the left running on the same divisiveness that got the president elected and the same divisiveness he's emphasized with every single move in his first term then this country will be worst off. i think it's time for a new generation of leadership in this country. we have problems we have never faced before. the economy is changing so fast. it's leaving a lot of americans behind. when i was campaigning for all these veteran, i went to a lot of places where democrats don't go. you see so much frustration with washington. it reminded me of the frustration i felt as a marine

in iraq where washington was so out of touch. had no idea what was going on and weren't making decision fs r our future. that's what i hear out there. i think we need to reach those people and talk about how we can succeed in the future, not go back to the past like the president is trying to do. >> there's a couple of candidates trying to fill that same vacuum. would you crowd that lane even more or do you think that no, that needs more? >> i don't look at this as a horse race. this comes back to how can i best serve the country. back in 2002 it was going spint the marines even in a war i disagreed with. in 2014 it was taking on an

incumbent in my own party who had been there for 18 years and only passed one bill. that's how i will make the decision here. i've been talking about national security. i've been talking about foreign policy. talk about how we have to deal with -- >> most of the democrats are in the field now. do you think that's the missing piece? >> i don't know. but i know it should be part of the discussion. it's time for democrats to lead on national security too. >> i know this sounds unfair but the clock is ticking, you know that right. when will you make a final decision? >> within the next couple of mon months. >> months. >> eight weeks. >> which is still two months. good to have you back on. we'll be watching. coming up, presidential candidates. perhaps two he may be familiar with. we have new reporting as both take some major steps toward getting into the race. getting into the race. one. this is jamie.

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welcome back. no formal announcement yet but joe biden made it pretty obvious to a fired up crowd, the one union that backed him in '08, they are attached at the hip here in washington today. he teased his decision a bit.

>> thank you. sg j >> joe biden laid out the broad strokes of a presidential campaign. >> almost a trillion dollar cut in medicare. why? because of a tax cut for the super wealthy that created a deficit of $1.9 trillion and now they have to make somebody pay for it. >> he hit just about every one on politics including his own party on the issue of civility. >> mean pettiness has over taken our politics. seem like we can't govern ourselves or even talk to one another. note how you criticize for saying anything nice about a republican. >> the only thing this campaign speech lacked, an official campaign. >> i appreciate the energy you showed when i got up here. save it a little longer.

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welcome back. here is something we're pretty sure we know. beto o' rourke will return for president.

here is something we don't know, what will the presidency look like. groif a headed to iowa. they will tell you he's the guy that almost took down ted cruz. ask what he stands for and they'll tell you he's the guy that took down ted cruz. joining me now is abby livington and spent a ton of time covering beto o' rourke not just during the campaign but his entire run. first of all, garrett, where are we? what can you tell us about this campaign? >> they're still putting the pieces together. he made up his mind before the end of february. they are taking all the steps you would take to get to this

point. they are building this campaign from scratch. they just didn't have the pieces. >> this is about putting the campaign and when it's ready to go then he announces type of thing. they want to go when they are ready to go. >> you've been watching him six years. is this his m.o.? >> pretty much. i would say the senate campaign he broke all the rules of politics. that's part of why he did so well. one of the best threats he will bring is this guy did a stump speech over and over across the entire state. >> same one? >> it was pretty -- it would change some but all presidential candidates, develops. it's a growth process.

>> trump and sanders re-wrote that. they ad libbed more. >> fair. one of the spots to watch is when the debate starts. i think that's the key moment i'll be watching for is the debates. >> what lane do you put him in. is he a true blue progressive? he seems to be a record that proves he's a centurist. what is he? >> i think he's what people want to see. it reminds me of obama '07. there's a lot of ka rcharisma lacking on this campaign. you can feel the ground shake as he comes in a way that was different than previous candidates entering. >> did you feel like you were covering a presidential when you went down there? i got the sense you were -- you heard the hype and went well,

all right. you were skeptical. you're a dallas boy. >> i was hearing the idea that someone will turn texas blue my political life. i didn't believe it. the second day i was down there they had a rally in lubbock, texas. home of texas tech and there was 1500 people there. it's who you would expect. mostly younger people. this guy can draw a crowd. he's not specific. he's a bit of a cipher. i'm with abby on this. when he starts to talk talking about specifics is when he will trip. he has the advantage of not having a day job. he can be working retail, which is what he does best, bday afte day. >> there's a reason he doesn't have to have a day job now and what is that reason? >> he's extremely well talthwea. he comes from a well known political family in el paso. his father was a judge. he inherited property and wealthy independently.

his wife, her father, was kind of a real pioneer in the real estate commercial business. >> does that mr. trump may know mr. o'rourke's father-in-law pretty well. >> his father-in-law is a republican donor from years past. it goes to about mitt romney and it started to tail off. it's an interesting family. >> who do you think beto is the biggest threat to? you've know these guys. you've seen them. who should fear him the most? >> anybody who needs television coverage to survive. >> that's a cory booker. >> he can play the young bernie sort of style here. bernie's people are more committed. if you're anybody operating at like 2 or 3% in the polls and you're not a star, what are you holding onto? if you're any of those young

people who want to say i'm an up and coming star, is your star that bright. >> i have a semisimil semiplisi view. the polls saby bernie and biden are the front runners. beto is the biden. >> i think that's an interesting thing. what amazes me is the disparity in the polling between the top two and the rest of them. i would say this won't hold but i keep thinking back to four years ago with the trump and the republican primary. >> if trump is the nominee, he'll never win. republicans have told me that forever. >> scott walker is going to be the nominee. >> i just watch what i predict these days. i don't want this playing in two years.

>> i think you should watch m.j. he was a fund raisie ining juggt based on a singhle video. >> do they share texas doe fldo? >> julian has deeper roots. beto is less reliant on the d donors. who is this guy? he didn't want democratic support when he ran for senate. now he has to try to run to be the face of the party. >> julian was the star the party

was waiting for. >> texas was so big. he was from san antonio. that's one media market out of 20 something. >> a significant media market. >> the candidate with support is not either one of them. kirsten gillibrand. >> texas, relevant. >> i like it. >> you've been waiting for this your whole adult lives. >> thank you both. the massive college admissions frauds revealed today. celebriti celebrities cheating and a lot of indictments. what this case says about wealth and privilege in this country. stay tuned. d privilege in this y stay tuned >> teacher: let's turn in your science papers. >> tech vo: this teacher always puts her students first. >> student: i did mine on volcanoes. >> teacher: you did?! oh, i can't wait to read it. >> tech vo: so when she had auto glass damage... she chose safelite. with safelite, she could see exactly when we'd be there. >> teacher: you must be pascal. >> tech: yes ma'am.

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they sought to get their children into elite schools through bribery and cheating on entrance exams. felicity huffman and lori loughlin was among those. charlie, reason we're talking about this story is talk about a story that feels emblemmatic of the larger fight the country is having. this fight between where it's the elites versus the non-elites and everybody is fighting to not be associated with the elites. >> this story has something for everybody. i've got news for that u.s. attorney that he thinks that taking down this extremely clumsy overt scheme means there will no longer be a separate add missions system into elite ranks

for the rich, he's wrong. this system is rigged in all kinds of ways for the elite and wealthy to pass that on to the next generation which is part of a much bigger conversation. >> it's interesting, ncaa sport s dealing with one scandal about elite athletes taking money to go to certain school. this was about crummy athletes and immediate i don't caremedio. >> these kids already have so much on therapy siir side. they get people helping them op counselling. >> they still couldn't get in on that. >> at the same time you have a fundamental broken educational system for folks that are poor or middle class when it comes to qualifying to go to those

schools. it doesn't sit well. >> it's the schools to me that owe the explanations. they have good reputations. >> this is another indication of an institution in the united states being corrupt at its core. you'll see a backlash to this. we have seen in politics. i will say that growing up in tennessee, one of the luxuries is you don't have to worry if your parents bribed your way into college. >> where is that? >> i grew up there. >> i got that. >> this does have a feel of we're just lifting up a rock. you think about the pressures universities have whether they are state funded, partially state funded or not. the financial pressures. suddenly you see they can give how much to my tennis program.

okay. >> that's been going on forever. >> it was a tax deductible bribe. the value of a degree from one of these elite university s so extreme in terms of the networks you make and to be branded that way. harvard admissions policy and whether discrimination against asian policy. >> it's interesting. i think they will be some parent who says my kid didn't get into georgetown or ucla that year that somebody got scammed in. my kid ended up couldn't get into that school, you owe them.

here comes the lawsuits. >> i think you'll have lawsuits. you'll have to have a pause and say when it comes to upper education, that's not if you can bribe your way in. then you talk about this whole idea of legacy children. the ones that get in because of who they know and their parents. that's coming into question. sgr some college administrator will have transparency add mission. no one buys their way in. >> no legacies. >> thank you very much. literally or seriously. >> i think i take her seriously but not literally. >> up ahead, putting the mitt in mitigation. putting the mitt in mitigation

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