weighing in on what looks to be a very busy day. that's our show for the night. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. back to the money traul. let's play "hardball." ♪ good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. as house speaker nancy lohsy takes impeachment off the table, more possible wrong doing by this president. the attorneygeneral of new york has launched a new probe issuing subpoenas monday night to banks connected to the trump organization. investors bank and deutsche bank in germ an.

which was penalized in 2015 for helping to launder over $10 billion of orussian money. they raided headquarters on suspicion of illegal transactions. and deutsche bank was one of the few lenders willing to do business with donald trump in recent years. and now according to nbc news new york state investigators have subpoenaed records including mortgages, lines of credit and other financing transactions. specifically they're scruttenizing three marquee projects dez projects developed by the trump organization, as well as his falled attempt to purchase the buffalo bills football team. it's another aresult of michael cohen's testimony later this month. he disclosed financial statements to back up his

allegations that the president purposely inflated value to financial institutions including deutsche bank. >> did the president or his company ever inflate assets or aev new? >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> and to your knowledge did the president ever provide inflated assets to a bank in order to help him obtain a loan? >> these documents and others were provided to deutsche bank on one occasion where i was with them in our attempt to obtain money so we can put a bid on the buffalo bills. >> the president attacks sawing new york state and its governor, andrew cuomo are now proud member of the group of presidential harassers.

nowonder people are fleeing the state unrecord numbers. the witch hunt continues. jill winebanks is a former watergate lawyer. and allen smith is the political reporter who reported this story. when i hear deutsche bank, i hear trouble. i think pass through, oligarchs. i think russian money which trumpall was needed as his mother's milk to make his millions. how does this new investigation fit into that schematic? >> deutsche bank is certain ly assocuated with prior russian money laundering and so woo have reason to look. if you're just sitting at home and wondering why was the president straight forward enough about his financial dealings, it's not real a worth

it unless you vote frad this guy because you believed he knew how to mock money for himself and that you dwood better for yourself and dream bigger for your kids. if he was a fraud fraud are youg can he lead this country and lift working families up? >> i think it's a powerful bit of information. when he wanted to inflate his assets from one to two years later, he added $4 billion to the initial $4 billion by sawing brand value. a total intangible. he assigned that wealth to himself. >> the schematic i took away, our interview was underground, was that i thunkthink a lot of n

you have a witness so close to donald trump, you want to talk away something that could lift up the lives of every day americans and we walked away believing this guy and his businesses and his campaign and his transition anded the a ministration he runs is corrupt to the cor. there wasn't anything redeemable about him. that's what's so frustrating. and michael cohen said the whole intent in running for business, it was to have the greatest infomrlgs all of time. investigations aside, he's going to have to answer for that when he goes to the ballot box, because if he didn't deliver for him, they're not going to want him around the next four. >> i think this idea of him being a flim flam man who flim flames everything, he just says i'm worth 8 billion because i say so. it's funny money and flim flam. >> i agree and i would say the

reasons representative swalwell gave for why people would care is don't you care if someone is an honest person. if he's mocking aking up valtue a loan, we can't lie to banks and why shouldn't the president be in equal trouble? it's not just that he's a good businessman. he's been bankrupt so many times, that was obvious before the election. the fact he cheats and lies are things people should care about. >> he doesn't pay his bills. refers to a crook. and yet deutsche bank wants to do business with him. why? how do youx plain whew they would want to give them big

money? >> it was a time where trump was at his financial weakest point. deutsche bank was willing to go on riskier-type loans, riskier business. that's what made the match work out between them and you've mentioned mocki mention making leading statements to a bank. it's part of the reason why they're going to jail is giving misleading information to banks. >> the financial statements cohen gave to congress show a big jump in networth just over two years. in 2011 trump claimed to have upwards of $4 billion. that's what he own os. and magically that number doubled to 8 and$8 and a half billion. and according to the very documents because trump -- the number changed for this reason.

the asset value went up estimating his so-called value to be magically $4 billion. it sits there right on the piece of popper like oh, yeah, one other thing i got to add, $4 billion because he says so. >> good will. it's something you assign as the value for your brand and you're right. he cheats people. there are people who built the construction of the trump tower chicago that didn't get paid and when they said they're going to sue, his lawyer said we with held just enough but it's not worth you suing. that's how he does business and america needs know that. >> impeachment is not on the table unless it reach as bipartisan consensus. 88% support for the president.

and they seized on the remarks, sawing she lost control of her part a. so she's doing bad now. let's watch this twist of argument. >> i think nancy pelosi is clearly starting to lose control of her party. i'm glad that she sees what the rest of us see and that there's no reason, no cause for impeachment. >> i think she's dealing with reality, which is she's not in control of her caucus. so she's trueing to send messages to them by saying this is not a path she wants to down but she's not uncharge, it appears, to us. >> this is mulark a. everybody knows she just had a vote last week on hate speech, 100% performance. every single democrat voted along the line she suggested. so i don't think she's lost control.

but what about needing the republicans to support -- if you believe the president has obstructed justice in the firing of comey, in the firing of -- whose t who's the other guy? sessions of course and mccabe and all these people. it was so slow motion but clear cut saturday night massacrism. you mean no matter how bad behaves, if you don't think the republicans are going to back you, you're not going to act? >> no one is above the law and that has to be clear. what i think speaker pelosi is saying -- and by the way this gang is deep in the hole betting against speaker pelosi. i dont know how much thaw want to double down. what she's saying is right which is if there's an air tight case and bipartisan support,en the we move forward.

right now we have evidence of wrong doing, evidence of a corrupt president and that's not a conclusion yet but we should continue to pursue it. i don't want us get away from the work on updating background checks and institution. >> i know. but i believe you can chew gum and walk at the same time. >> two years ago there was no stop light, stop sign, cop on the beach for donald trump. but we've slapped a ankle monitor on him. >> everybody get the same question every water. everywhere you go, walk down the street, you go to a starbucks, an airplane, airport. everywhere i go i'm asked is this guy going to get impeached and the speaker of the house says we're not going to have that on the table yet. i thought this summer was going to be about impeachment.

mueller report would come out, democratic house judiciary committee would act, hearings and a articles and you'll send something over to thesont. the scenario is we're waiting to see if we got 20 republican senators willing to join our caucus on the senate. you'll never get anywhere. you have to move toward it and when the time comes, you got to see if they stand their ground oernot. you're not going to move under any circumstances because they're never going to give up on trump at the beginning of the year. they're going to wait tim they have to make a decision, a real reckoning. congressman? >> so, chris. fewer than 100 days in, in this new congress. so don't do donald trump justice. if we did, he'd be thrown out by now.

if not, we're going to uphold the law and pursue all this alarming conduct and i'm not speaking for speaker pelosi but i think if it the mueller report shows obstruction of justice, we've got job to do. so if we do nothing when you cross clear red lines, that's a bad precedent. but i don't think we want to lead in with impeachment. >> you're saying to me you're not going to wait for the republicans? >> i think we're going to do the right thing and hope the republicans do the right thing themselves and come with us. >> that's a hope. erick swalwell of california and allen smith. coming up the danger of nepotism. donald trump reportedly told john kelly, chief of staff, get rid of my kids. plus prosecutors expose what they call the largest scam

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welcome back to "hardball." for the past two years i've warned about the dangers of unelected family members working in the white house. mixing family and business mix as vital guardrail. veteran journalist, vicki ward, details the sorted rise of the two of the most trusted advisors. son in law, jared kushner and ivanka trump. an entitled power couple seeming

to capitalize on a new found access. ms. trump often requested to travel on air force planes when it was not appropriate and when rex tillerson denied those requests, thaw would invite along often secretary steve mnuchin to get access to a plane. and the president ordered kelly to get rid of my kids. get them back to new york. that sounds down right wholesome on the part of the president. said this kids didn't know how o play the game. it seems vicki ward has writ an book of fiction, correcting everything wrong would take too long and be pointless. well, you're so busy. jacky spear of california, member of both the house intelligence and oversight committees. and michael steel, the former

chair of the republican national committee. michael, i've said before, the ro romanovs, they shouldn't have been there. >> that's exactly roright. the first part of this is they are donald trump's cushion. they're his blanket. they're the ones who he not ole only trusts but they will carry out what he wants done. so it doesn't matter. the problem comes in translation for how they interact with cabinet secretaries and other officials. fwlrs the cabinet secretaries go no, that is inappropriate for you to make use of such functions or things, they have their own work around. they know how to game the system. >> if you're pushy.

and you put the other pushiness and privilege and you got what you want. >> you have people that have power in a vast portfolio of issues that they don't have a lot of qualifications in objectively. i've been in meetings where he's talking about trade in china, infrastructure, regulations in business. he's supposed to be helping with the middle east. >> you mean his best friend, the murder in saudi? bring those two together. >> it's not that you have them playing with the toys, you have them representing american citize citizens and policies. >> why did trump bring them in? like people who bring animals on the planes with them. and he granted security clearances, something he denied. the president over ruled his then chief of staff, john kelly and the official lawyer.

they both voiced objections to these kids getting the security clearances. i want to know why either one of these wanted him to get them. they applied a number of concerns like that people from the united arab emirates and other places were discussing how to it get to kushner. two unreported transition meetings with the head of the russian state-owned bank and the russian ambassador. anybody who's seen the godfather has seen fredo being manipulated by the guy out west. so what do you make of this? >> this is just another episode in the tabloids that we see on the grocery store racks.

i mean this is a president who abuses power. he says they don't know how to play the game. he thinks this is a game but they have rules and they were put in places after bobby kennedy was the attorney general and that basically said no more nepotism. so he decides he's goeing to make his daughter and son in law volunte volunteer so they won't be subject to the nepotism law. and he wants to give the two volunteer top security clearances. then when they don't meet the standards, he tells them just get them the security clearances. i mean there's a reason why the intelligence community made that recommendation. our country's status is at risk. our national security is at risk and we somehow think this is just some little game.

it's not a game. it is a very serious consideration. they shouldn't be in the white house as volunteers and my bill, hr 1028 is one that would require that -- if you're a volunteer in the white house, you're going to be paying $1,000 a day fine for trying to manipulate the laws in this count era country as it relates to nepotism. we are going to allow this to continue to go on. >> reporters covering this. these two kids could well find themselves indicted by robert mueller. and question is the president pardons them, would that move the house of representatives to move on to impeachment hearings? >> i think we have to wait and see. >> that's incredible what you're sawing.

fires people, pardons people. it doesn't matter because you're waiting for the republicans to go along with you as your standard. >> i'm not saying that at all. i'm waiting for the mueller report. i believe the speaker is being strategic now. i give her credit for being strategic. i think once we have more hearings in the intelligence n committee open to the public, we're going to see the case being built to impeach the president. >> jared and ivanka have been among the few to survive take over. some were pushed out by jaured and ivanka. maggie haberman reports sources view jared kushner as the defac defacto chief of staff. >> i thunk that's true.

he feels like chief of staff. mu mull ve mulvaney is acting chief of staff. what you have is also ivanka and jared serving as the chief advisors to the president. not only are they the chief of staff, but on a number of issues, think of family s separation, ivanka could go to her father and say cut that out. ivanka's 37 and her father is 72. s she says look, my dad believes what he believes and there's nothing i can do that's going to change his mind. >> this whole thing was wrong, trump doesn't understand the mores of why history says nepotism's wrong. >> there's a reason why after

bobby kennedy's tenure, they decided to change the nepotism laws. trump has created a back door and playing in that space. woor arer here unless there's some type of action that's going to be taken for whoever is lected. if trump's reelected, these folks will still be unplay. he's not taking them out of play. >> how does a father say to his chief of staff get them out of here anden the we all observe he's not only still here, jared, who's calling the shots. >> i think that episode, get them out of here, was more drama and family squabbles. right. bad hair day as opposed to anything else. look, they protect the president's flanks. you're exactly right. jared is the defacto chief of staff.

he acts as such. ivanka's his consig leariy and together, they keep the president's agenda going. >> and they put a face on it. they have all sorts of meetings with law makers. if he's cutting out poor people, they can have a nice dinner and say my father really believes that he wants to keep these promises. there's the facade they have, the face they put on the administration. >> the tag team. jacky spear of california, thank you as always. your niece, i'll send her a thank you. mr. steel. and what federal prosecutors say was a nation wide multimillion dollar scam. what does it say about our culture that big money's able to corrupt. money's able to corrupt.

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welcome back to "hardball." what a story. 50 people including felicity huffman in the largest college admissions scam ever prosecuted by the department of justice. the indictment depict as conspiracy paying the head of a college preparation business, william rick singer, to

facilitate cheating bu having someone take the test in their children's place or coming in the room and completing the test themselves. payments also paid this guy to bribe coaches and university administrators to designate their children. cluded fabricating profiles by making them appear to be high lasuccessful athletes and they would photo shop dash it's incredible. the he said parents paid anywhere from $200,000 to 6 and a half million. >> sparing no expense to cheat the system so they could set their children up with the best

educati education money could buy literally. their acts were insidious, selfish and shameful and the real victims are the hard working students who did avrg they could to set themselves from success in the college admissions process but ended up being shutout because nar less qualified students and therafamilies simply bought their way in. >> the college of sociology. and i'll call you professor. you think about kids, regular kids with modest income, whatever their background. they walk in, sweat, bring number two pencils. they can hardly sleep the night before. they say watch movie, relax. now they're going in there that there's probably someone else in that room and they have someone

come in later in am the day where a being played. this is pretty out in the open now. >> you do your work, have skills, talents, they're ecuginized. we know there's always been a hierarchy. athletic admissions have been given. pr predicated on what geographical you're in. >> the jockey gets in because they can play the game. they're really good players. but nobody claims that. it's true about jocks and these athletic directors, coaches were basically selling $400,000 a piece to slots they get to reserve for admissions. they want the best kicker in football. instead of getting thebust kicker, they get 400,0$400,000.

>> you're given $4 million for a new dorm but what's rar yale degree eworth? to some it was worth $1.2 million because that's what they paid to get their daughter into yale. corrosive unterms of institutions. didn't you think yale and stanford and usc were places to trust to do the right thing? >> sure. i got a ph.d. for princeton. i teach at georgetown. these institutions are worthy of the support and for trust people have placed in them. i wasn't saying mare talkeracy wasn't the means by which people were selling goods. i'm saying legacy and stuff, you didn't do it immediately but somebody three generations ago hooked you up. it's been are vealed here in an atonnishing fashion that is wrong.

but i'm suggesting we not lose faith in these institutions, one. and you can assume somebody's there. look what black people have to deal with. are you because of affirmative action? no, because i worked hard. and that doesn't mean it's given to me. one got the nod because of historical underrepresent augz. we have to think among all this discourse has been i want to do everything i can and i don't care what it takes to get him in. >> this does not deserve the word affirmative action. >> not lat. i'm making a tremendous distinction. >> this is bribery. >> this is a parent gets worried, in this case hollywood actors. they get word there's a guy that will get your kid in. he hire as ringer or he hire as

basketball coach, a hockey coach and says we need this kid in the team. >> 50 people arrested today but one of the people described in the court papers said they dealt with 800 families. it's bun going on at least almost a decade. this is something that really reinforces the idea that the system is rigged. >> that's right. i'm saying affirmative action is perfect laacceptable to distribute resources. but people go aha. and don't believe it's only ten years old. this has been going on for a while. although georgetown is a great school. we have to call it out by not just saying let's show this egrejs example. how do we reward certain kinds

of acts? >> you know about the jack thorns and stuff lierk that? >> by the way jocks are working hard. i teach them every day. >> i'm talking about the rewards. >> the big scandal here is you have athletes bringing in millions of dollars the coaches are getting paid. how about that kind of usery? limit themselves first year. this guy colby white. i'm saying the system itself

against >> they can really hit back. these kids are rich kids. >> you want to talk about how to deal with the kind of krupgsz we're doing with today. kudo to the fbi. >> do they go to jail? >> people go to jail for a lot less. people vote the wrong way and get four and five years. so yeah, somebody's going to have to suffer here. >> should they go to jail? >> if they committed a crime that carries a jail sentence, they should be subject to penalties are. i would be surprised if some of them went to jail. >> we'll see. and it is corrupt. >> these issues have to be addressed. >> you're here to do it. up next can president trump be edefeated in 2020?

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he'd take us back to the horse and buggy. >> that was the former governor of massachusetts. on candidate donald trump. well, now he's launched an exploratory committee to challenge president trump for the republican nomination in 2020. what is your big thing about trump? you spotted him early as a problem. >> i think the same thing i thought thirty-two years ago. i wouldn't change a word of what i said in that clip. all his instincts are against the interest of the united states. who's trueing to offend all our alus. koz a up to our enemies. destroy free trade. fomeant climate change, not join our friends unasia. unless he's the manchurian

candidate. >> out last the statute of lim taugzs. >> that's not true. thaw could file a sealed indictment so the president wouldn't be hauled into court. and i agree that he can't be ha hauled into court while he's serving. the constitution itself, article one with, section three says even after that, the person, the president or other civil officers shall remain liable to indictment, trul, punishment and conviction >> he looks like he's going to run for reelection. you think he will >> i think he will. >> where can you chip away at him? >> starting in new england and go to the midatlantic. the fact is his ratings are sky high among republicans right now. he's four times forever. >> trump's overall approval

rating 44%. his approval rating among republicans of 86%. by the way that's as high as 86 in other polls. in a head-to-head match, 54% support president trump and 2 20% -- 8% goes to weld. >> that could change in the republican primaries. and i profited from that in massachusetts by a 6: 1 ratio. you get something like mobile voting so all the millennials could vote with their phones. >> by 2020? explain to rocket -- not rock hard, rock headed. when he says i could shoot somebody on fifth avenue and

they'll still be with me, i think he's right. i think he can pardon them all, fire mueller and your part a will say yes, sir. what is that about? >> the mueller report is not out. the dust is not settled. >> they'll just say he's deep state. >> no one has yet gone naafter e trump organization. >> i'm with you. you said donald trump wasn't qualified to be president. let's take a look at that golden oldie. >> hillary clinton is clearly qualify ood be commander and chief and president of the united states. donald trump is clearly not qualified and i would say with affection to think of some other job. the laundry business. he's got business smarts but president of the united states is the wrong tree to be barking up for him. >> you're being nast a in the laundry business.

>> the affection is gone but i conclude he has been in the laundry business. >> wloo do you think he is in history? i don't think hitler is fair. who's who's anomaly. >> culigula. he admires the autocrats in history. that makes me nervous as an american. >> he ignored the nepotism rules and putthem uncharge of middle oos policy. jared kushner is cooking deals right as we speak with the murderror in saud a arabia. >> i'm a little more troubled about the trump moscow tower and mixing his business with foreign policy. >> did he run for fooz make

money or just making money in case he lost? >> i don't thing he expected to been with. he started to run for president six times. there was an article that said he work withes 22 hours a day and that was floated jrntly out to see. i think they were as surprised as hillary clinton that he won. >> thank you. good luck in this race. you can only cause trouble, which is good for everybody. >> that's it good. >> anyway, today's democratic argument between capitalism and socialism, that's coming up 347. . okay, paint a picture for me.

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well, democratic are about socialism verses capitalism. it's brought back kaungzs i had with east germans. when the berlin wall was coming down, i wanted to hear their story of why their system in east germany failed. they were the true believes. factory managers and school principals. they were equitable to the ideals and its victims. while they accepted the modest incomes, they faced a daily

humiliation by a government that sent them, the people who made the system work to the back of the line while the exploiters of the system grabbed all the good life. good east germans watched them go to tourists and they had to wait 18 months for the delivery of the lousy cars the country made. a system fails when if doesn't providicnomic justice to the very people who make it work. we have succeeded magnificently in terms of economic efficiency. and evolving social safety net of medicare, medicaid, unemployment compensation, together with antitrust and other regulations have made this country what it is today. but we better be on alert to the need to adjust the balance between the power of the marketplace and the need to soften and offset its power. we need to insure those hurt are

passed over by capitalist enterprises get treated fairly. it's not a chous between capitalism and socialism, it's found aing the right combination. it's what the debates this year and next will largely be about. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. with chris hayes stas right now. tonight on "all in." >> i said why don't you use this for impeachment and nancy said we're not looking to impeach you. i said that's grr, nancy. that's good. >> they wanted me to impeach president bush in the iraq war. i don't believe it then and now. it divides the country. >> we're not governing with a focus on impeaching. >> the pros and cons of charging the president. >> i think every colleague of mine agrees there's impeachable offenses.