abdul later threw that machine at the suspect to distract him. he said he did not feel fear, did not feel much of anything when facing that gunman. the gunman, who injured his four sons. that wraps it up this hour. i'm richard lui. see you back here tomorrow at 4:00. you can follow me on facebook and twitter. for now i turn it to every single day al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lede, president trump used his veto power for this first time since taking office on friday. the irony being that it wasn't necessitated by senate democrats, but rather, a dozen no-votes from republicans opposed to his fake national emergency declaration on the

southern border. and in his post-veto news conference, the president said he was unfazed by the defection from his gop caucus. we'll get into that split and the override threat from congressional democrats later in the hour because just hours after new zealand was rocked by white supremacist violence, the president tripled down on his bigoted narrative of a homeland under siege. >> we're on track for a million illegal aliens to rush our borders. people hate the word invasion, but that's what it is. it's an invasion of drugs and criminals and people. we have no idea who they are, but we capture them because border security is so good. but they're put in a very bad position and we're bursting at the seams, literally bursting at the seams. >> of course when asked about

the global rise of white supremacist movements on the heels of friday's terror attack, the president, who sees a threat everywhere that's black and brown, was conveniently blinded. >> do you see white nationalism as threat around the world. >> i think it's a small group of people who have serious problems. if you look at what happened in new zealand, perhaps that's a case. i don't know enough about it yet. they're just learning about the person and the people involved. but it's certainly a terrible thing, terrible thing. >> as i heard this language from the president who had just used his executive power to enshrine discrimination by playing a threat confirming the highest levels of our law enforcement, i couldn't help but think this president seems to lack the capacity to even frontally

attack white nationalism and the inspiring of it to violence. when we see his reaction to those that he has had to respond to that have been accused of any act, violent or not, black or brown, we almost hear an acid reaction. but when we hear it about white supremacists, white nationalists, whether it be in charlottesville, whether it be in new zealand, he seems to pull his punch. he seems to want to appeal in a way that he does not offend people. that is not only bigoted, it's dangerous for one who sits as the head of the free world. joining me now, doug thornl, democratic strategist, joe watkins, republican strategist

and former white house aide under president george h.w. bush, and katie fang, msnbc legal allison. let -- analyst. does this president have the capacity to attack in a frontal way, the way he does with everyone else with all kinds of real vitriol, does he have that same ability to do that to white supremacists, white nationalists, and those that, in this case, that even write a manifesto expressing outright bigotry and bias? >> no, he doesn't have the capacity or the will or the interest inidt as an ally. that we know from david duke and other organizations, white nationalists, these radical right-wing groups that have

flourished over the last few years. he doesn't seem to have any interest in taking them on. we saw that first and foremost in charlottesville, right? he had an tournlt seopportunity message to these folks, and he basically made an argument that both sides were wrong. that's just unbelievable and it was such a symbolic moment for this president, who he is and who he stands for. >> he said they will fire were people on both sides. in the manifesto written by the killer, the terrorist in new zealand, he said that donald trump was an inspiration and that he brought white identity back. let's say for argument's sake that the president didn't know at the time of the q&a, we haven't seen a tweet or a statement from him since denouncing that this terrorist

would in any way say that he could identity with any part of what president trump has said. so is his silence speaking loudly to the absence of his trying to disassociate himself with the spirit of nationalism. i'm not blaming him for the massacre or blaming him for the violence. but if somebody said that he was an inspiration or that he was the one dealing with white identity, if it had been reversed, if it had been president obama or any of us in public life, we would immediately want to declare that that is absolutely offensive, insulting, and have no basis. he has said zero, nothing. >> right. an opportunity missed. presidents generally speaking have the moral authority to be able to talk out in these kinds of times and to call racism for what it is and to speak out against white nationalists, wherever they rear their heads.

this is another opportunity missed. it was missed in charlottesville to say that and it was missed again when this fellow in new zealand killed 49 innocent people. it's a terrible thing, it's a terrible threat. anybody that would take the life of somebody because of the color of their skin or because of their nationality or religion is somebody dangerous. and that's an opportunity for a president of the united states to speak out call it what it is. it's wrong. it's wrong. >> he has said that is wrong and bad, but he refuses, katy to condemn white nationalism, white supremacy. he has said the act was terrible, but he has attacked the actor and he has not addressed the fact, that his name, donald trump, was in the manifesto. >> so it becomes guilt by association. the fact that donald trump will not disavow the motive as a prosecutor, as a lawyer, we always want to know, what was the motive behind that crime.

and this terrorist has said the motive was white supremacist, white nationalism, and the fact that donald trump has not immediately taken to the airwaves to say he's offended to the correspond that he would be associated with an act of terrorism like this suggests to me that he's complicit in it. >> the fact is we're looking at a situation, 49 people in the mosque, in two mosques, in prayer. we look at charlottesville, we look at charleston where people were in bible class. these are people that are doing nothing but practicing their religion. and these haters that have taken on terrorism would use them at a sacred moment of vulnerability, and this is frightening, to say, as the president said, is a small group, when every study

we've seen has said these hate groups are growing and getting bigger in the u.s. and globally. >> that's right. there was a government study, a law enforcement study that showed in 2017, 2018, there were more arrests of alleged domestic terrorists than there were of terrorists who were inspired by islamic extremism. this president doesn't seem to care. look, i think when you go to a place of worship, we also had that horrible shooting in the pittsburgh synagogue, or a school, you expect safety. and these cowards go in because they know that you're at your most vulnerable in a church or in a school. and so, look, i think the president has to take a tougher stand on this. he has to stand up to these folks. he never seems to wait when there's an islamic-inspired terrorist attack. he never seems to wait for the

facts or never seems to want to see what the evidence shows. he rushes out with a tweet and he sort of comes to a quick conclusion. but in this instance and other instances with domestic terrorists and white nationalist terrorism, he wants to wait and sort of, like, you know. he seems totally unwilling to stand up to this group of people who support him. >> katie, in your research and in your knowledge, has there ever been a united states president that was called an inspiration by one who did a mass killing based on racism or bigotry? >> no. joe, i'm sure, would degree with me. there has never been a the president that has been cited as the inspiration for a domestic or international terrorist. we say the phrase white supremacy and white nationalism, but you know what? it's now white internationalism.

we need to look at white supremacy now not just as the expression of a first amendment right to your opinion. we see link to death, to murder and massacres. it's a transnational crime. it is not just somebody expressing their opinion or beliefs. 50 people are now dead as a result of one man's conduct down in new zealand. >> it's 50 now, that's right. joe, press conference the president was having or the response after he signed the veto, he was denouncing migrants coming across the border. he called mexicans rapists. people that were speaking asylum in many cases, people that were running away from what they said was unbearable conditions for their children, he called them naming through the years, but he's yet to call white supremacists and white nationalists a name. what does that tell us?

you're the republican on the panel. what does that tell us about this president? >> he has the ability to nickname people very effectively, as we know, and to characterize in an unflattering way, he could do the same for these white nationalist. he could let everybody know including people in his base that he's against it and it needs to stop and all of us need to be against it, and any president of the united states, democrat or republican, will not stand for this kind of action. he could do that and i wish to god that he would, but he hasn't done it yet and he missed several opportunities. he may find the opportunity in charlottesville and right now with new zealand with this guy saying that he was one of his inspirations. he missed an opportunity speak out against it. >> you hope to god. we're ministers, that you can -- his omissions speak loudly. doug, we see this president moving forward, vetoing this vote. we see that even some republicans defected on him.

he vetoed it. we see that house speaker pelosi said they're going to send it back. this president, is he in trouble with now they're starting to see members of the gop caucus peel off? or is this just a one-time thing because this was so atrocious to some of them? >> you remember when he ran for president, he always talked about how he's a winner, right, and that we get so tired of winning if he was president. this past week was a really bad week for trump if we look at his win/loss percentage. there was a vote to make the mueller report public and the underlying documents public. that was unanimously passed in the house. >> unanimous. that means even the freedom caucus voted for it. >> yeah. it was an overwhelming vote. there was a vote to opposite the saudi-backed war in yemen. this is something the president and his government is

supporting. the senate passed a resolution opposi crse, we have the vote, the resolution that oppose the president's phony national emergency. and that passed overwhelmingly in the house and got a significant vote total in the senate. it likely will be vetoed. i don't know if the override votes are there. but if you're donald trump and you talk a lot about winning, he was a big loser this week. >> yeah. i'm going to have to leave it there. i'm asking doug and joe to stay for more. coming up, my next guess says if it was a secret ballot, the majority of republicans would have voted against president trump's emergency declaration on border security. senator ben carden is next. humira patients, you inspire us. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives.

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degree agree degrees greed degree agree degrees greed . yesterday congress passed a dangerous resolution that i've signed into law would put countless americans in danger. it is definitely a national emergency, rarely have we had such a national emergency. therefore, to defend the safety and security of all americans, i will be signing and issuing a formal veto of this reckless resolution, and that's what it was.

congress has the gremd freedom s this resolution and i have the duty to veto it. >> president trump issued the first veto of his presidency yesterday of the bipartisan resolution to terminate his pretend national emergency. just a reminder, it was designed to allocate money for a border wall that trump said mexico would pay for, and that congress refused to pay for with our tax money. in a rare rebuke of trump, a dozen senate republicans sided with democrats who at the moment don't have the votes to override the veto, although speaker pelosi says the house will try anyway. joining me now, senator ben cardin, democrat of maryland. senator, you have been known as one that tries to work with those other side of the aisle and has said that if it was a secret ballot, you think it

would have been even more republicans. why do you feel that way, and why wouldn't they vote for something that was blatantly not an emergency? we see the numbers of people coming across the border has actually gone down. >> al, first of all, on the substance of this from the point of view of border security, the majority of members of the senate and house disagree with the president, a large majority as to building this type of medieval wall. but on the constitutional issue, the power of the legislature over the executive, this is clearly an abuse of executive power. mitch mcconnell only changed his mind because of the president. clearly this is eroding congressional power, the power of the people, the power of the

purse by congress with the president doing things after congress specifically voted in regards to border security. the president's overriding the will of congress. he's not the legislature, we are. >> isn't it a fact that not only is it not only under the control of the congress to deal with the monies and the purse strings, but the congress, as you just cited, specifically voted against this allocation, and you're setting up a precedent where a president can say i propose this, if i don't get it, i'm going to call an emergency executive order, which really is anthony thet cal to the balances of power, executive, legislative and judicial branch. this is deeper than donald trump. we're acting as if there are not three branches of government. >> you're absolutely right. and a lot of my republican friends said, look, what happens when there's a democratic president and he does something -- we pass an

appropriation bill and he changes it through executive order order, how will we feel then? this is an abuse of power, it's wrong. the constitution specifically wants the legislature to appropriate the funds weapon. make the laws, pass the budget, authorize the spending. here president is violating the constitution. >> house speaker nancy pelosi has said that she is not going to proceed toward impeachment in the house. the president is not worth it unless there is some kind of compelling evidence that comes forward. how do you respond to that? do you agree with her? or do you think there's enough basis to start impeachment proceedings as some others in the house have suggested? >> as you know, the house of representatives has exclusive

jurisdiction on impeachment. i know that speaker pelosi is awaiting the mueller investigation. there are also other investigations including in the southern district of new york. so we don't have all the information yet. i think speaker pelosi in part is acting on the fact that until we have all the information, until the members of the house feel they have all the information necessary, it would really be premature to make these types of discussions. >> there has been a unanimous vote in the house that the mueller report should go public. what is your feeling? should the mueller report, when it is completed, be given to the public and not just given somewhere in the back shelves of the justice department waiting to see if the attorney general does go public with it or goes public in part with it? what do you feel, senator cardin? >> al, absolutely it needs to be made public.

it was a unanimous vote in the house of representatives that the mueller report should be released to the public. i was proud to see that vote. we tried to get that done in the senate, but mitch mcconnell objected, or lindsey graham objected to that request. the mueller report needs to be made public. the american people have a right to know exactly what's in it. quite frankly, i think they're going to demand that it be made public. >> thank you very much, senator ben cardin. in less than three weeks the national action network will gather civil rights activists, stakeholders, and 2020 presidential candidates for the 28th annual national convention to examine the state of civil liberties and racial justice today. among the speakers and panelists, senators cory booker, kirsten gillibrand, kamala harris, amy klobuchar, jeff merkley, bernie sanders, elizabeth warren, along with mayor pete buttigieg, john

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against affirmative action. you know the system is rigged when those who pass with flying colors still can't get in because of race, while those who flunked can pay their way through. that is why we got to be protected against a deal that is stacked against us. it is also why some people like you, mr. president, will do anything to hide your own school records. for years you have lied to white voters, telling them their education has been held back by immigrants and undeserving black people. you couldn't stand it when president obama got into columbia and harvard law on merit alone, repeatedly demanding he release his transcripts, only to find that you had your fixer, michael cohen, before your high school and college transcripts. if you really cared, president trump, you would reinstate the federal guideline you rescinded

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>> i think so. for quite a while now i've been really concerned about the kind of language that the president uses, particularly what he said, i think it was only yesterday about the support he gets from the military police bikers, and that when they get to a certain point then things can be very bad. that sounds like kind of a permission for certain people to do things that will harm others. that kind of language should never come from the president of the united states, but he's been talking like this for a while now, and words matter. >> words do matter. let me ask. as you look at this, what was your reaction when you saw the president because you disagreed on policy, just degrade you in such a vile, unnecessary way? >> he does this to anybody who doesn't agree with him. so far he's never mentioned my

name. i think part of the reason is i don't think he knows how to pronounce my name. he refers to me as the crazy female senator from hawaii. you know, it just makes me laugh, but in a sort of -- it's really not funny because he does this to everyone who doesn't agree with him. so there are two things that president trump cares about. one is to make sure that his -- as we say in hawaii, is protected. and the language that adds fuel to the fire of racism and discrimination, it doesn't bother him using that kind of language. >> you've been one of the main proponents in the senate saying that the mueller report, when it is finished and prepared, should be made public. explain why that is so important to the american people, and why you are pushing so hard in that

area. >> it has to do with a foreign country interfering in our elections, which is bad enough, but to have the president and his organization possibly be part and parcel of that kind of interference is something that goes to the heart of our democracy and voting. and that is why emanuel of our country should know what's in this investigation and outcome is and what the recommendation r. it's really zplorimportant. >> how likely is it you'll be successful in making whatever the report ends up being public? >> sadly, when we pressed attorney general, he's now the attorney general barr during his hearing he would make the report public, he did not commit to that. notice that the united states house passed unanimously a

resolution that says we want that report to be made public to both congress and the american people. when chuck schumer tried to bring the same resolution to a vote on the floor of the senate, mcconnell had someone else come object to it. why should anyone object to the results of the investigation, which goes to the heart in my view of our democracy. why would that not be made public and why should the republicans stop that kind of effort to come to a vote on the senate floor? i think if it did, it would pass just as it passed unanimously in the house. >> so they actually blocked the vote, so there was not really a list in terms of accountability to the voters on who would and who would not support this being public in the senate? >> that's right. but al, i think the american public is paying attention more

and more. it's one of the reasons that when donald trump said the 2018 elections would be a resembled on him, i think there have a lot of people, especially at the local level when they elected democrats and clearly to the u.s. house of representatives we have tremendous diversity now, that was a referendum on trump. and so i think the w62020 election, the people will vote accordingly. those issues are all going to be decided by the judges. i know you didn't ask me about core paccing. >> you are on the judiciary committee and they stack the courts with a lot of judges and it's troubling to many of us in the american public, certainly members of the civil rights community.

what is your concern there? what are you seeing there? because that's not getting a lot of attention, but it could have long, long-lasting effects? >> as i mentioned, women's rights a woman's right to choose, immigration rights, civil rights, voting rights, health care, these are all being challenged in different courts right now and they will end up before the united states supreme court. all these trump-appointed judges who are very right-wing, i don't mind judges being conservative, but these are judges who are being nominated by trump because they have very strong ideological perspectives and agendas that will do harm in all the areas that i talked about. this is why court paccing is dangerous, and i talk about it a lot. to connect the dots as to the health care, women's rights, unions rights, all those are coming before the various courts, which the republicans, particularly with the help of

mitch mcconnell and the federal society and heritage foundation, two very conservative organizations that have spent decades and millions of dollars putting their very ideologically right-wing judges into the pipeline, they are getting into the courts lickety-split. >> these are lifetime appointments? >> lifetime. and, of course, nothing could be more harmful for all of the rights and matters i talked about than putting two supreme court justices on the supreme court, and that's what these organizations accomplish with help from mitch mcconnell when he changed the number of votes from 60 to a bare majority for getting onto the united states supreme court. >> thanks to senator hirono. up next, what beto o'rourke's entry means for the

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categories with him, including bikers, and there could be bad bad things if he's taken out of office inferring violence, many of us took it that way. if anybody else had done that, there would be all kinds of calls for them to be looked upon whether they're inciting something or not. i mean, as a republican, how do you look at the fact that this president would even suggest even in the most remote way something like that? he's yet to reach out and say something to the muslim community. and we all have to reach beyond ourselves. i'm standing with rabbis about anti-semitism in new york. >> hopefully the president of the united states would be that person. this president hasn't do that yet. he hasn't been the person to

bring us together, to talk to communities when they're grieving and to say we're with you and to call out people who have done terrible acts of violence and say we're not going to stand for this. as the president of the united states, i'm not going to stand for it on my watch. the hope is that he would do this. he hasn't done it yet. for republicans like me who worked for u.s. presidents, i worked for a great president, george h.w. bush. he would have done that. barack obama, i believe, president obama would have done that. i believe that president clinton would have done that. i believe george w. bush would have done that. i believe a lot of presidents would have spoken out in a strong way when something like this has happened. he hasn't done that yet. the hope is maybe he still will, and it hurts us when he doesn't. >> doug, beto o'rourke, let's go to politics, announced this week. we are hearing a lot of buzz on the cover of "vanity fair," coffee shops packed in iowa.

but we don't know if his very, very startling showing in texas, which has been read for a minute can be translated translating nationally. he has not say what he has raced. we know what bernie sanders has raised, we know what kamala harris raised, will he live up to the hype? >> he is probably the most battle tested candidate in the race based on his race in 2018 against ted cruz. he democracy stranstrated he co $80 million. he has, i think, been a little light on policy since he got in, genuinely speaking he puts out

his vision but he hass ese esed it up with policy, whether or not during the debates, how he contrasts himself with the other democrats running. elections are about making choices, a lot of democrats have positions have similars on similar issues. >> let me ask you as a republican, when you look at the field of democrats, and you look at the president, if she in the next cycle, which he said she running for reelection, and how abrasive he has been with opponents in the republican primary, do you think that

o'rourke, being in a more unifying and loving at most here, would he be the right person to counter punch trump. who can show they can handle their own in the gutter if necessary. >> i think the democrats need a candidate that is just comfortable in his or her own skin. not attacking the other person, and sharing a vision for where we go forward in the country. joe biden i'm sure is just joe biden and he will not worry about attacking, fighting, or engaging in that kind of way. i think that is the same for anybody that is elected nominee of the party. just be yourself. you don't have to react to who the recumbent is.

just be president of the united states and that in itself is compelling to a lot of americans. >> joe biden has yet to announce, doug, many of us expect he will what was his entry into the race, and what will it mean for stacy aprograms. >> yeah, that was interesting. i think that would be interesting. is he too old to run. you have a rock star in stacey abrams, someone that did good if not better, it will be a really interesting tag team, but what

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everyone. we say over and over, times i would have said things offensive to others, don't justify it, rectify it, correct it publicly and say to others that we must do the same. this president needs to learn that. he needs to stand up and clearly denounce any form of hate whether or not the victims are of his race and gender or not. he needs to embrace muslims in this country. yes it is great that there has been in many cities an increase of security around mosques, those at sin gynagogues, and ot, and we need to say we stand against bigotry, terrorism, and there can be no one that is

excused from standing up if you're not standing up then you are showing us where you really stand. that does it for me. thank you for watching, i'll see you back here at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of politics nation. up next, "the beat." up next, "the beat." the white house responding to what is now a bipartisan rebuke on immigration. all of this to break his own campaign promise that mexico would sign the wall. he signed that wall today, a former fox news reporter talking to congress despite her nda with fox news, how that story led to michael cohen's crime in the 2016 election. we begin tonight with firm, detailed, actual news on the mueller probe if is not over