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complaining about a rerun of "saturday night live," expressing outrage over a sidelined fox news host and criticizing the late senator john mccain for the second consecutive day. a story michael beschloss points out this was the week in 1973 mccain was released from prison in vietnam but i digress. following those morning tweets, the president headed to church. while the confines of the white house and st. john's episcopal no doubt felt peaceful on this st. patrick sunday, the 2020 storm looms on the horizon. beto o'rouke blanketed iowa during the first days of his campaign, drawing big crowds, sucking up oxygen and standing on every tabletop he could find. today beto o'rouke was in wisconsin where he found more things to stand off and continued to draw stark contrast with the president. >> can you please nice? >> great question. i think everyone is applauding

because it's the best question that's been asked today. the way in which we treat each other, sam, the words that we use are so important. we don't lock children up in cages out of nowhere. it follows the rhetoric and language that we use. you don't see the spike in hate crimes in years in a row and counting without the kind of permission that's been provided by this president. so the antidote to that is not more meanness and pettiness and smallness and hatred, it is as you suggest, sam, being nice to one another. i'm going to do my best to do. thank you for the question. >> meanwhile o'rourke's first campaign swings came as senator kirsten gillibrand made her white house run official n a web video released this morning and as former vice president joe biden seemed to get a little ahead of himself. >> i totally get criticized by the new left. i have the most progressive record of anybody running -- of

anybody who would run. i didn't mean -- anybody who would run. >> and with that i'd like to welcome in my panel, white house reporter to "l.a. times," eli stokols, policy editor for the daily beast, sam stein, white house correspondent for and just back to the trial from new hampshire, msnbc political reporter ali vitali. thank you all for being here tonight. the president, sam, on a little bit of a terror. >> little bit. >> this morning, i stopped counting the number of things or people he insulted kind of along the way. basically i was wondering how much of that has to do with what's been going on, on the 2020 campaign trail. >> it's hard to tell. it usually is what's on his tv that inspires him.

so there was a direct correlation this morning between one of the auto worker union members being on fox and him tweeting about the gm plant closing. >> and anchors. >> anchors, he didn't like their programming. judge jeanine pirro wasn't on last night. he didn't like that. i think it's bizarre because he's also the president. but you have to imagine also here's someone who loves to be the center of attention and has the discussion constantly revolving around him. to a certain degree as the candidates step forward and they suck up the media oxygen, he feels a competitive response to that and try to draw those cameras back towards him and sometimes it would be an utterly outlandish ways and sometimes utterly offensive ways and we're seeing it this morning. >> amish to that point beto o'rouke has kind of captured media attention during the week, anyway, in a way honestly i was

trying to remember the last time we saw something like that. we have not seen as much of it, live events on the campaign trail in the coffee shots certainly since the 2016 race and it was donald trump getting that coverage at the end. >> yes, and what you saw was the president lash out at beto o'rouke the way donald trump would but he standed making fun of his hand gestures saying he's someone that is essentially just weird. i think it's right to say the president is feeling this pressure and wants to be the sun everyone revolves around. but i think there's an idea he can't help himself when he has enemies and decides to pick on you, you will do even if you passed away like the case with john mccain. i think about his legacy and thinks about the funeral john mccain got and thinks i will probably not get something similar. and the mueller investigation, everyone is waiting for d.c. to drop, i think you have someone watching tv and hate tweeting all of these people. >> eli, how afraid is the white house of beto o'rouke and 2020 field as it's shaping up? >> i don't know how afraid he is

of beto, though he's aware of him. biden is somebody who i think agitates or unnerves the president a little bit more just because the president i think understands that his path to re-election is through the midwest. biden is strong there. but i think that he's probably wary of beto o'rouke in the fact this is a person, like the president himself, is this sort of cult personality on the left is driving through sheer personality or charisma. not substance or policy ideas, policy ideas are not fully formed yet but he's out there getting intense media coverage. that looks familiar to the president when he sees reporters chasing after beto o'rouke in the coffee shop, that's what it was like when donald trump entered the race. i think there's something unique about beto o'rouke, obviously, the president will understand and identify with. i think also this has been a tough week for the president. he was rebuked twice by the

republicans. they voted unanimously in the house to release the mueller report. the president tweeted yesterday, oh, i told them to do that. that's obviously not true but he's trying to shift the narrative because he hates to look weak. he did the same thing friday in the oval office -- >> trying to pretend he didn't try to convince them not to do that. >> not true. >> not true. >> but he can't stand to look weak and as sam pointed out, he does to the like not being the center of attention. >> democrats will look at how to separate themselves from congressman o'rourke and republicans honestly are going a step further, surprise surprise. the president, as we referenced, mocked his hand gestures this week. and that's the theme that comes up a lot lately. and official account of the republican party tweeted, on this st. patty's day a special message from noted irishman robert francis o'rourke, that

included a purported mugshot from a dwi. o'rourke was asked about this a little while ago in milwaukee. >> do you have any response to that? do you think that's -- does that offend you? or do you think that is perpetuating the stereotype of irish people? >> i have been asked the last 3 1/2 days, 23, 24 events, and anyone can ask any question they wish to. was i asked about that or was i asked to say something negative about another candidate or someone from another party. i take from that that people want us focused on the big picture, on our goals. they want us to be defined not by pettiness or personal attacks we see and ones like the ad you just described. >> it is not the first time republican officials have gone after beto and his heritage, including donald trump jr., who

once asked, what is authentic about an irish guy pretending to be hispanic? asking for friends in texas. this raises questions about texas and cruz, who is cuban heritage, versus beto, a typical spanish nickname for roberto. he, of course, does have a very irish name. but the tweet from the gop, the response has been overwhelming. how many people were possibly offended by this? pointing back to tropes about irish people and drunkenness that quite simply, i certainly thought we had left in the past. here we again. >> i think it actually says something about the republican party now in the age of trump because that felt very trumpian to me as i was looking at that tweet. trump is someone who will go there and say the thing you're not supposed to say but maybe he won't say it again but it's out there. people are thinking about it. this is a sign of what trump is doing to the party overall and i think it's a good thing that people are come out and kind of rebuking a tweet like this but i think it says something about what trump has done to the republican party.

>> so this 2020 campaign is quickly becoming a race about labels, as we were just discussing. but also socialists, capitalists and all of the policies that fall in between those two, ali has been following several candidates in recent weeks. she did some reporting on this very subject. >> i'm running to serve you as president of the united states of america! >> in politics you define yourself or someone else will. >> democratic socialism. >> populism. >> centrism. >> moral vandalism. >> awe thor tarean. >> sobelism. >> reporter: candidates from all parts of the party are jockeying for position to play out a about faye and isms. >> are you ready for another radical idea? >> what was radical in 2016? >> now is the time for us to go forward and pass a medical for all single payer road plan. >> that's why we need medicare for all.

>> that's why we need medicare for all. >> i think medicare for all is one of the possible paths. >> and that's why i believe we have to get to universal health care. >> i think any politician who throws around phrases like medicare for all has a responsibility to explain how we would get there. >> despite a change in public opinion, most candidates want to keep the term socialism at arm's length. you said you're not a democratic socialist. >> i'm not. i strongly believe we need to have medicare for all. and within that system -- >> do you think that's socialist or not, medicare for all? >> no, it's about providing health care to all people. >> i say there's plenty of money in this world and country but it's in the wrong hands. >> do you consider yourself a capitalist? >> i consider myself a social democrat. >> there's a lot we have to do to make sure there's capitalism is just. >> once you get back into labels am i a capitalist, am i a socialist? how many of a capitalist, how much socialist?

it becomes silly. >> some are willing to explain the labels all together. >> this is a capitalist country with socialism tendencies. >> while democrats position themselves as the party of ideological hair, the chief operating officer is hard at work branding them as extreme. >> they're embracing open borders, socialism and extreme late-term abortion. >> while rising stars on the left push back. >> it seems like moderate is not a stance, it's just an attitude towards life of like, the meh is like worship now for what? >> candidates wedged between a campaign-ready president and hungry base already. great reporting, ali. summing up just how this field has emerged. we saw you with some voters. what is your sense of how connected the conversation is about all the of these isms that we have in washington, the

president is having and how people are thinking about it >> . >> i think it kind of divides based on democrats and republicans. republicans who hear president trump go out and talk about socialism, that's red meat. they love it. want to hear that. >> what about democratic primary voters? >> democratic primary voters, not so much. they were willing to answer questions about capitalism and socialism but they weren't so plugged into, for example, john hickenlooper answering you're not a capitalist. we get bogged down because we would like a direct answer but voters are kind of down to hear whatever the pitch is early on. they're not in a decision-making mindset right now. they want to meet everybody in new hampshire, take as many selfies as possible, and same in iowa, get their hands on the candidates and ask questions. >> rhetorically anyway, in terms of hands. >> yeah. >> that makes a lot of sense. sam, how effect do you think socialism will be a tact for republicans? is that scary? >> they've done it basically

every election since fdr. it's always the attack they go after democrats for. obama was considered and dubbed a socialist in retrospect. now the democrats look back and say it was far from anything like that. >> corporatist, perhaps. >> i am struck a bit how differently, to your point, there's two different conversations happening. one is this meaningful universe where we talk to candidates and want to get the answers from them. the other is the voters who don't see it in terms of labels. they look to the candidates in large degree and coming together around a lot of the main policy, like medicare for all, for instance, and one of the key elements is how you distinguish between candidates is what they choose to prioritize and how they choose to prioritize. so, for instance, you have candidates who are now not a socialist or moderate but they're the ones who emphasize climate change as the main issue to emphasize. and that becomes the most, or i'm a generational candidate, and this is about a generational

movement. you have beto o'rouke who is a moderate ideologically but his appeal is about sort of creating this post part sin positive agenda. it's not really about a label, it's about an approach and policy prescription. >> we will talk about where beto o'rouke stands on policy or not. that's an interesting vain. ali, thank you very much. we're just getting started. still to come, a live report from new zealand as the president's chief of staff said it's absurd to link the president's comments to the horrible massacre there. >> plus, congress rebukes the president over his national emergency declaration. and in our 8:00 hour, he's back. anthony scaramucci joins us live. and tomorrow chris hayes hosts a special town hall event in michigan with 2020 democratic senator kirsten gillibrand.

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republicans broke ranks and voted to end military aid for saudi arabia's war in yemen in protest over the killing of journalist khashoggi. stloeted 420-0 to make special counsel robert mueller's findings public. hours after that these 12 republican senators voted to block the national emergency declaration, forcing him to issue his first veto of the presidency. "the washington post" reports he was aggressively lobbying senators in the run-up to that vote. the paper writes, quote, in numerous calls with republican senators in recent days, the president spoke with the battle almost exclusively in personal terms, telling them they would be voting against him, while brushing aside constitutional concerns. but the president painted a much different picture of those conversations after vetoing the bill on friday. >> i put no pressure on anybody. i actually said, i could have

gotten some of them to come along. i said i want you to vote your heart, do what you want to do. i'll let them know when there's pressure, and i told them that. >> joining the conversation, nbc news national security and justice reporter julia ainsley. just to be clear, we mentioned this once already on this show but i think it's worth mentioning again that what the president said there is not the case. just not true. >> totally the opposite is true. >> he cared very much and tried very hard and failed. >> senator tom tillis changed his vote because the white house was pressuring him so much. it's not like we have deep-seated reporting on background. the president said on camera, i'm calling people. my aides are calling people. we're lobbying congress. so it's bizarre that he would say this when we have evidence, easy evidence, not evidence we have to dig for, to show that he was at the white house absolutely pressuring republicans. >> he tweeted frantically about it to the days up to the vote. it's not just bizarre but

troubling somebody could like so egregiously and publicly when all of the evidence is out there. >> it's what he always does. he tells you what he wants because he points your attention right to t that's what's remarkable about the statements in the tweets saturday. he said i didn't do that. the reporting is already out there he did that. >> he tweeted don't vote with pelosi just a couple of hours before on the day of the vote. >> right. >> it's remarkable. >> it lays bear his ego, so easy to find because it's right there. the other thing i have been thinking about is the conversation in the white house before he signed -- before he declared the national emergency in the first place. there were people telling me, i hope cooler heads prevail because there is the option they could have just used the executive action money. and he knew there would be legal action and here we are. >> eli, why did he not listen? >> ted cruz, others went over there the night before he did this and tried to convince him

and it may have rubbed him the wrong way. i don't know. at the root of everything is the need to continue to demonstrate to his base that he's fighting for these key things, the wall, on trade, he has to show them he's fighting. it doesn't matter how much other people say look, there's another way around this. it's almost the optics of it. it's almost having the fight. shutting the government down for the sake of doing it just to demonstrate i'm serious, i'm going to the mattresses for this thing i promised, even if there's no actual path or strategy that will lead him to victory and actually secure more wall funding. >> i would also add one other point because we led the show looking at what he tweeted today, which was different from this stuff. but it was crazy. >> we have a new tweet actually tonight if you want to be put that back up. >> let's do it. >> i didn't get a chance to read it to the viewers. those republican senators who voted in favor of strong border security and the wall are being uniformly praised as they return to their states.

they know there's a national emergency at the southern border and they had the courage to act. great job. >> the governor of colorado, the most vulnerable senator up in 2020, "the denver post" took back its endorsement. it's a different editorial board at the paper now. they said we endorsed you in 2014 and we were wrong, after he voted with the president on this issue. so what the president just tweeted today is obviously wrong. >> and one of the things has as play here and we talk about the crazy tweets on other matters this morning, he's gotten away with this stuff. he's able to offend people in really awful ways during the course of the campaign and through his presidency. he gets admonished. gets his wrist slapped. by and large his people stay with him. he's in a fairly decent position for his re-election. >> certainly the party is stuck with him. >> his party is stuck with him. there's no punishment. so he's touched the stove a

million times and never felt burnt. so why would he not tell brazen lies like this if it never costs him anything >> i was talking to a republican consultant today, part of the things we look at is the fact 90% of the republicans support him. you have to look at the attrition and less and less people call themselves republican. they said watch out for the people who don't want to be republicans anymore if they're tied to donald trump. that's a number i have not seen yet. somewhere that's interesting. think about what this means for conservatism, the true nature of conservatism that will shine through in these court argument, you go for limited government. you don't give the executive branch all of this power. the question is are the true conservatives going to then realign and be the party of trump rather than the party -- >> if you sit in front of a conservative judge, they're coming from that school of conservatism you're talking about, not this trumpian version. thank you for your insights tonight. still to come, we learn more

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citizens of new zealand and those of us around the world are in a state of shock and mourning. officials now say that 50 people are dead in the wake of friday's deadly terror attacks of two mosques. the suspected shooter is an australian citizen and self-described white nationalist. he's currently in custody and has been charged with murder. massive crowds gathered earlier in welington, the nation's capital, in a show of support for the victims. joining me now live from christchurch new zealand is nbc news correspondent miguel almaguer. what more can you tell us? >> kasie, good evening. vigils like this one in christchurch are popping up across the country. as we learn more about the suspect, we also learn more about the victims. with happy hearts, this nation is grieving now the loss of another soul. a 50th victim has been found after friday's las shooting at two mosques. >> my dad took a bullet for me.

>> reporter: ally survived the gunfire. his father is in serious condition. >> all he said was take care of your mother and your brother and sister. >> reporter: police say the terror came at the hands of brenton tarrant, who livestreamed the massacre. authorities received a racist manifesto nine minutes before b >> i saw him yelling and saw the shotgun in one hand. >> reporter: ab zul aziz found d him away with the weapon, pro venting further >> the gun i had, a short gun, i throw on him, like on his window. >> reporter: the suspect was arrested just blocks away. his grandmother said he showed no signs of extremism. >> we don't know what to think. >> reporter: new zealand's prime minister comforting families and

is now vowing to change firearm legislation. >> we cannot be deterred from the work that we need to do on our gun laws in new zealand. >> reporter: tonight dozens remain hospitalized, with el satty and his 4-year-old daughter among those shot multiple times. >> please pray for me and for my daughters. >> reporter: a country torn apart by hate, now promising to come together with hope. with the death toll now at 50, two people remain in critical condition not far from here. dozens of others are also hospitalized. meantime at those two mosques, they are still removing bodies of the victims so they can be returned to their relatives. kasie? >> miguel almaguer in christchurch, new zealand for us. thank you very much, miguel. our hearts, of course, are with new zealand at this really difficult time. for more on all of this, i want to bring in former director of the national counterterrorism center and nbc news national

intelligence analyst nicholas rasmussen. thank you for being here, sir. it's great to have you. >> it's nice being here, kasie. >> let's start with the ideology we're starting to learn about that this man apparently followed. is something we have seen in a variety of attacks around the world, it seems like there's a connective tissue there. how do we combat that as a global society? >> i think in part it requires that we rethink the way we talk about things like domestic terrorism. we for very good reason often characterized certain kinds of attacks as domestic terror and other kinds of attacks national terror when they're tied to groups like al qaeda or islamic state, for example. but as you said this, ideology is traveling and passing from individual to individual and group to group in a transnational way. and so we have to assume that there may be more links than we know about between individuals who subscribe to this white

supremacist-type ideology in a place like new zealand but maybe perhaps western europe or even here in the united states as well. >> what rule do the social media companies play in all of this? a lot of the isis material on social media has been taken down but we haven't seen the same sort of actions around white supremacist ideology. >> again, this is a challenge for the technology companies, and i would argue that they've come a long way in terms of their willingness to address hateful content online. but when it comes to these groups that are more in the domestic terror space, it's clear from this episode they've got a ways to go. the idea that you could have some number of hours where this material was up and had not been pulled from platforms was clearly unacceptable. i want to give credit to the companies for the work they've done in recent years in getting to a place where they worked aggressively to remove not just offensive content but dangerous content, but clearly that failed in this case and they will have to go back to the drawing board

and figure out why. >> it sounds to me you're making an argument that we already viewed white supremacy here in the united states through a domestic lens, as this was a domestic political problem and therefore we can't use the same terrorist -- anti-terrorist tools we use abroad to fight it. is that a fair summation? >> that's exactly what i'm saying. and i'm not necessarily looking back and saying we had it all wrong. there were reasons why we thought about domestic terror differently. you certainly do not want to constrain political speech in the united states. it's part of our tradition for people to be able to exercise free speech in ways that are patently offensive to the rest of us. but clearly when you move into the domain of violence, when you're inciting people, when you're creating conditions where people are acting on the words in ways that cause people to lose their lives, that's a game-changer and i guess the other piece that you mentioned earlier, kasie, is the other game-changer, the fact this may

be a transnational phenomenon. so it may be time to rethink the lines we've drawn between domestic and international terror. >> what tools, having been behind the scenes and worked on this yourself, what tools do you think we need here in the u.s. to apply to this problem that say we don't have right now to fight domestic terror? >> well, in some respects we've been going at this domestic terror afom nophenomenon in the states with a law enforcement approach. relying on law enforcement -- >> the fbi. >> the fbi and department of justice. this is not meant to be in any way critical of the work, there have been notable successes going after right wing right supremacists and other groups. arrests made, people sent away for a long time. i'm not here to say the fbi is failing at that mission. but this is different than the way al qaeda representatives operate in the isis space. this is every agency around the

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just days ago we learned that u.s. officials made a list of nearly 60 reporters, lawyers,

activists, mostly american, to question as they crossed in and out of san diego. now nbc has learned that more americans are being stopped by agents in states across the southern border and sometimes detained for hours. nbc news national security and justice reporter julia ainsley spoke to them on camera for the first time. >> as soon as i got up to the inspection booth, i could tell that something was different. >> reporter: taylor levy works with imgrachbts in el paso and says in january she was stopped and questioned by the border patrol. >> he did this because he was protecting america. he repeated that line multiple times. >> reporter: she said she was detained inside the border station for three hours, questioned by an agent, telling her he worked terrorism cases and forbidding her from leaving or calling her daughter. >> he told me it was a crime for me not to answer his questions and i would be arrested. >> reporter: he asked her about her job, what she does and why. >> he was aggressive.

he was terse. >> reporter: levy is not alone. nbc news and nbc station knsd obtained a list of lawyers, activists and journalists flagged by customs and border protection for extra screening. after our report the department of homeland security announced its inspector general was investigating and said the practice was confined to the san diego area. but levy and at least four others, all u.s. citizens, tell nbc news they were threatened with arrest in texas and arizona and believe they were targeted for their work with asylum seekers. levy said the agent demanded her cell phone. >> we're not going to arrest you but we need you to unlock your phone. >> reporter: she refused. the agent backed down and she was released. but immigration lawyer hector ruiz said he handed over his phone after four hours in detention, watching as the agents scrolled through and took notes. >> i don't know how to describe

it. it just felt wrong. it felt like there was definitely government overreach. >> reporter: ruiz was stopped near this spot in mid-december. >> they asked me what my opinion was on the administration, just generally. and how we were doing economically. >> that is wildly inappropriate. >> reporter: a former top lawyer for the department of homeland security acknowledges authorities do have the right to stop people. >> but to the except they're making enforcement decisions based on political views or views of policy or the trump administration or even your views of the legitimacy of these caravans, that would provide me deep, deep concern. >> that is one of the most insidious and obvious ways to the u.s. government is allowed and able -- not allowed but able to have this chilling effect, it was very upsetting. >> reporter: for now levy said she's avoiding crossing the border. >> julia ainsley is back with us. julia, what has the homeland security had to say for itself? question, how is this legal?

>> great questions. first department of homeland security and customs and border protection have not commented on this piece of reporting. we have given them days to have a comment. the first story we broke with knsd we had that list and they said it was just happening in san diego and the inspector general was looking into it. as this shows it's wider than that, it's happening in arizona, el paso. i have talked to multiple people with the aim stories, they get stopped, pulled aside, it's obvious they're expecting them. someone comes in saying they're there to investigate terrorism cases and then they ask about their job. every immigrant they talk to, what their boss does, where their boss lives. it's like they're building this network to figure out who's working with asylum seekers and they often ask to turn over their phone, looking who they're talking to. the legality part of this, that's what i posed to john, the former general counsel at dhs, he said they do have authority to stop anyone they want and in fact the supreme court held up there's broader authority at the

border than in other parts of the interior of the country, the government has broader authority >> i'm stuck on the list. >> it's the list and the fact they could be targeted for their profession. they're not supposed to be targeting them based on their profession. the front page of that document that you're showing, it says suspicious activist journalists and attorneys. so it's clear there's a targeting there based on their profession. >> what great reporting. >> thank you. >> we will keep paying attention to all of the work you guys are doing. julia ainsley, thank you very much. when we come back, donna shalala, who ran the university of miami over a decade, talks about the massive scandal over admissions. p subscribe to movies. we don't foll naysayers. ♪ ♪

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♪ ♪ this week a stunning college admission scandal is highlighting stark differences in access and opportunity between the rich and poor. dozens of wealthy parents, including actresses felicity huffman and lori loughlin are accused in effect of buying their children's entrance into elite universities. among the most outlandish claims that loughlin and her fashion designer husband paid $500,000 for their daughters to be recruited to the usc crew team, even though neither girl had a

background in crew. as claire miller and jonah bromwich of "new york times" put it, we're past helicoptering parenting. they write, quote, some mothers and fathers are more like snowplows, machines chugging plows, machines chugging ahead clearing any obstacles in their child's success so they don't have to encounter frustrations or lost opportunities. joining me, chancellor of university of wisconsin, madison, thank you for joining us tonight. >> you're welcome. >> can you help us understand -- i think a lot of people are really -- firstoff i can't stop thinking about this story and the lengths, obviously the pressure these parents felt and things they were willing to do and game the system. i know universities are not implicated here and neither are students in many cases.

what does this say about our system as a whole and how it needs to change. >> it says a lot about the parents themselves. this is about their bragging rights, their egos, when they meet their friends, but it is a horrible situation and so unfair to thousands of young people, particularly those that don't have parents that could intervene for them. i've never seen anything like it in all my years of higher education. this is a pay not to play. using a sports like rowing as a way of getting your children into an institution is more than unacceptable, it's unethical, and in these case, it's actually criminal activity. >> you're among those democrats who called for hearings into this issue. what do you want to try and learn about this? who do you want to hear from?

who do you want to hear testify and what do you want to see change? >> actually, i would like to talk to admissions officers, both in the ivy leagues as well as these private universities and understand how these -- how these situations could occur. why weren't the admissions people looking out? how much flexibility did the coaches have for students who were not going to be on scholarship, who were not going to be under the ncaa's purview. i understand crew, because crew can take a lot of young people. and crew has not had scholarships until quite recently, so coaches used to walk through the registration lines and look for body types and try to recruit kids to crew. but they were already accepted. there's something going on in the admissions process and in

the relationship between coaches and admissions not about the scholarship athletes but the walk-ons and non-scholarship athletes and how much flexibility the coaches have. in this case, the coaches were clearly bribed. we could dismiss this as simply coaches prescribed and parents prepared to bribe them. i have a feeling it's more than that. trying to understand, i think every college in this country, particularly the division i schools are now reviewing their admissions practices and taking a look at how much flexibility coaches have to bring in non-scholarship students, and what those processes are and what those standards are. >> it just seems to me this says an awful lot about our society that we have gotten to this point, yeah, at the risk of stating the obvious, we're all, i think presidential the same age, older millennials at this

table. i remember feeling this intense pressure from my parents or school or whatever but nothing approaching this level of outright fraud. in fact, the opposite. the message from my parents was always, this is hard but you do it yourself. what's changed? >> a lot has changed, i think. go ahead. a lot has changed. that's okay. go ahead. >> people call me -- as a college president, got it a lot of calls, often from very prominent people, recommending a student. necessarily, they knew the parents but not necessarily the student. here's what they would say to me. listen, this kid has applied. i'd like you to look into it. by the way, his parents would be very generous. what kind of a signal is that? i would say, don't have that; conversation with me. >> isn't that technically okay in some ways? >> sure, it's okay. >> the legal form of this.

>> it tells you a lot about the pressure parents have to get their kids into the right schools. by the way, what is the right school? i saw a column recently in which they looked at the ceos of the major companies in this country, and they went to all sorts of schools, small, not as well known, large universities. look, i didn't go to the right schools. and my resume is probably better than a lot of people my generation. it was hard work, and my parents certainly didn't intervene. i worry about the kid that doesn't have the money to do to school, doesn't have the opportunity. that's what the committees i'm on in congress are worried about. >> i should say this as someone who went to georgetown. i remember people to my face saying the reason i got in was affirmative action.

we have so much about affirmative action and legacy and people who use legal forms and because my parents weren't allowing women and african-americans. they feel they're entitled to go to schools when they don't have that pedigree whatever it is to go to the schools. >> as a legacy student in college i recognize the upper hand i had in some respects and not uncognizant of it. what this story does say to me is there is such a yerng to access for higher education in this community people are willing to bribe their way and kids' way into it. the lawmakers and congresswoman if they are going to address it shouldn't just address the bribery and fraud and whether or not we need to crack down expanding the access to good higher education and encouraging people of lower means to get

there. >> good point. >> that's exactly what we were debating, when this story broke, we were discussing the access to education in the house. the contrast between that discussion when this came out is just dramatic. i absolutely agree. good higher education is not necessarily the best named schools. there are wonderful colleges and universities in this country. just because you go to a certain kind of school doesn't necessarily mean you will be successful. elite parents, the entitled in our society think that, and they're simply wrong. >> congresswoman donna shelayla, i know you just returned from a trip to venezuela. i would love to hear more about your trip. thank you for coming on. >> i appreciate that. if i might make a note on white

supremacy, i was in government in 1995, during the oklahoma city bombing, and 168 americans died. we have to remember that that was white supremacy, too. >> that's a great point, actually. >> many of them were my employees, including the child of one of my employees, that simply went to the daycare that day. >> yeah. thank you so much, congresswoman. that's a great point. we will have another hour of kasie d.c. coming up next.

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nasdaq is reeling from the worst incident in its history. >> again, white nationalism. >> we have to confront the fact there is a rise in white supremacy. >> every time something bad happens around the world folks who don't like donald trump blame it on donald trump. >> the president uses language similar to these bigots and racists. >> the president is not a white supremacist. i don't know how many times we have to say that. >> the field of presidential candidates is taking shape. >> were you born to be in this race? >> i wasn't born to run but i am running. >> it's not about running for president. >> it is about running for president. >> it's about america. >> how safe of a choice do

democrats want to make? >> i think joe biden would be a very big threat to donald trump. >> i'm very optimistic joe biden will formally announce his candidacy for the presidency. >> if there's a relation between beto o'rourke's hand movements and donald trump's hand movements in the election -- >> take dramamine. >> politics editor, sam stein. white house correspondent for pbs news hour and msnbc contributorer. and nbc communications director unlike beto o'rourke claims he had a root canal this week and did not mainstream it. did you have one? >> yes. >> i'm sorry. i love my dentist but i hate the dentist. thank you for sparing us the live stream. this weekend, pete buttegieg

reached the number he says needed to run. and so did this man, running on freedom dividend. at one point they were getting as much google search traffic and bernie sanders and joe biden. then, there's beto o'rourke who ended the suspense by doing what everyone suspected him to do. then, why not run? he has plenty of time while others are in congress or the president's mansion, et cetera. there is an oprah interview and "vanity fair" coverage by andy le le. some women didn't relate when he

said, man, i'm just born to be in it. >> it's not something i had from birth. >> you made a reference to born. were you born to do this? >> that's the beto line. >> you brought it up. >> i will say i have a lot of respect from beto and great to have some texas in this race. no, i wasn't born to run for off fis, just because growing up in this '70s in the middle of the country i don't think a lot of people thought a girl could run for president. i wasn't born to run but i am running. >> i saw the cover with that quote, "born to run" or born to do this. i thought, man, i hope i didn't say that. somebody read the article for me and i think the context of that, which makes sense and is the way that i feel is i'm born to serve, i'm born to try to help bring people together. i don't know anyone is born for an off fis or position and i certainly am not.

i do think i find my purpose and function in life in doing this kind of work. i'm very grateful to be able to do that. >> since his entrance, there has been a wave of stories about his time as hacker. that launched video where his wife didn't say a word for three minutes and murder fantasy piece he wrote in high school whether women running get the same as he does and his specific policy positions. >> a lot of folks we talked to are asking you looking for you to provide more policy specifics. when can they expect that? >> continue to come to these meetings and listen to me answer questions posed to me, whether criminal justice reform, whether immigration, whether it's healthcare, whether it's a living wage, i've given very specific answers on all of these questions. i also am listening to the suggestions and solutions brought forward to the communities i'm visiting. if you have all the answers, why show up?

if you're not ready to listen and learn, what's the use of campaigning. >> yet, through it all he has packed venues in i wand answers questions from the press about missteps and seemingly charmed thousands of iowans who have come out to meet him. it's splashy start. does he have what it takes to do the distance or skills to do the job. >> do you think the experience he has here in the house is a strong enough foundation to jump to the oval off fis? >> you ask me that when we have a president of the united states -- please -- the answer is yes. count nancy pelosi among those that thinks beto has the experience. sam stein, this has engendered a conversation -- no pun intended about privilege, the fact he was taken live on all the cable networks while he was campaigning in iowa, most of the others have announced on a

weekend so not exactly the same comparison. still, he's been treated as a celebrity in a way we haven't seen. where does that come from? >> two things. one is, i think, to me, at least, what this is showing is we have a bias in our industry and also the political universe towards fresh new concept, people. we've already gone through the joe biden story, right? we followed joe biden's career for decades and know who joe biden is. >> i would argue he might get the same treatment if he actually jumps in. >> to your point about beto, it is about the fact he is new and different and dynamic and new and we haven't experienced him yet. i think there is an inherent bias to covering things new and in conflict. i will say it is ironic in a way a lot of criticism is he gets glossy profiles and continuous coverage. in fact if you look at the

coverage of him, it's almost been heavily negative and critical not judging the cover. there is a weird dynamic where he is getting heavily criticized by members of the press and people on twitter yet there is a perception that he's being treated with kid gloves. i don't know how that ultimately plays out. >> what's your take on it? i have to admit i saw that quote on the cover, and saying, man, can you imagine a woman candidate saying this and how they would be treated? >> i had the same thought and i went back to hillary clinton and one of the biggest criticisms was she felt entitled for the job and beto saying, i was born to do this. interesting to see somebody with a personality and ronald reagan looking cover get the coverage but i think the vetting sam is talking about because people and reporters included have about 19 different policy issues they have to ask every democrat about. whoever wins the democratic

nomination will get through. all the democratic consultants i talked to said, yeah, personality is one thing and people want someone to beat donald trump but our voter and electorate want to know what you believe. >> do you remember when elizabeth warren burst out onto the scenes? it was an intense infatuation with her, a dynamic political personality and a huge fund-raiser in that race against scott brown. there is no longer a newness to her. we no longer treat her in that way. >> her policies are -- >> she is for better or worse, she's produced the most comprehensive policy prescriptions next to andrew yang, we'll get to that later but we do not cover that because we know her and dealt with her and familiar with her policies whereas beto is just new on the seen, for better or worse. >> you portray him as shallow.

i do it like do something, not sure what, but just do something. like vetting sarah marshall. >> vetting sarah marshall, man. >> everyone has a signature policy. trump had immigration, obama, iraq war and sanders income inequality. he has nothing to define himself as the x candidate or separate himself from the field. i ran against ted cruz in 2018 and almost won is not going to take you far. he has to tell why he's better than kamala or biden or bernie. >> what's your response to the gop tweet talking about him being an irishman and insinuated him being a drunk and references about irish people. >> it needed to get attention. it did that for gop. let's face it, his mugshot i is

up there, we're talking about that. it certainly did that. >> this is also the gop showing they're the party of trump. this felt very trumpy. i don't think the gop under another president would do it. it feels petty and like playing with the line or on the line of using a stereotype in some circles would be called racist. i think while the gop -- there are ways the gop can get attention that don't have to do with the irish people and stereotype of them being drunks on st. patrick's day. >> does it bother you, irish people? >> i have more tolerance because i'm irish myself and tend to be self-deprecating and didn't think much of it until the backlash. >> we mentioned the reporting of beto o'rourke's past involvement of a hacking group, one of the strangers i ever covered. he acknowledged while a teenager he belonged to the oldest group of computer hackers in u.s.

history called the cult of the dead cow. could his membership explain his approach to politics better than anything on his resume. joining me now, alex stamos, former chief security officer. great to have you back on the show. >> thanks. >> i'm told you were not part of this group but perhaps you have some insight into what it was -- why would one be in this group? help, please. explain. >> sure. i was not part of cdc and a little too young to be part of it. this was one of several groups in the late '80s and '90s part of the collection of teenagers and college students interested in hacking and exploring computers online and would get together online and eventually physically events like def con, what cdc was families for.

if you look at the alumni of these groups from '80s and '90s, tech founder, ceos, tech security officers and ceos and apparently a presidential candidate. >> what does the fact he was part of this group tell you about him as a person? what should we read into it when we're thinking if she should be president of the united states. >> all of us in this age part of this, the internet was not a normal part of our lives. beto had the experience that indicated to me the apple 2e and mine was 364 with a 200 baud modem and find companionship with similar people online when they didn't feel they didn't fit in. even when he was young, he did not feel his normal life growing up, he fit in with his friend group and looking for different things. the other thing, look at these groups, a lot of creative people

look at problems from different angles. that entire scene was a rejection, this is how you use technology and stay within the rules and color within the lines. i expect it means beto will be very very different as a candidate just as he was very different as a congressman. >> very different take. thank you for offering that perspective. i want to ask you, while i have you, about a more serious topic, the terrible shootings in new zealand and how these ideologies are spreading across the internet. we're learning this shooter perhaps had inspiration from somebody in scandinavia who committed a similar act and had brushes with white supremacists, violence in the united states, not brushes, we have dealt with it in very very serious ways, people have died. what responsibility, in your view, do social media companies have in dealing with this?

one of our previous guest was essentially saying, we have one playbook when it's isis, clear foreign terror organization and another one when it touches on domestic politics. what's your view on their responsibility and roles here? >> the isis comparison is actually appe actually ap, for all the hatred of islamic muslims, the fact you can excommunicate thousands of muslims who will not participate in the violent act but have your message after you do it that is something isis got in the 2014-2015 time frame. the difference happening now, while the big tech companies responded to the islamic state by taking them down, in this case the second tier of sites intentionally trying to run forums and discussion sections aimed to white supremacists. while isis had some places on

telegrams and such, for the most part nobody was willing to host isis communications and communities. that's not true here. i will not say the name of these sites and give them amplification on tv. there's a large underground group of people if you look at the archived threads we were egging them on. you have tens of thousand of people who get the video stream and his manifesto live in realtime trying to upload it over and over again to the sites that don't have that kind of content, testing their ability to control speech at the multi-billion user level. >> thanks for your thoughts. thank you both tonight. great to have you. we will continue this conversation with congressman andre carson and later, anthony scaramucci joins me live. tonight at 9 p.m. eastern

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self-described white nationalist has been charged with murder. asked about the white nationalists, president trump said it involves only a small amount of people and he doesn't see it as a rising threat. here's acting chief of staff, milk mulvaney. >> to the degree there is a problem with anti-muslim white nationalists bigotry in this country, there is an issue with that, why not give a speech condemning that. >> you have seen the president sa stand up. the president is not a white nationalist. how many times do we have to say that? it is a terrible tragic act and figure out why those things are becoming more prevalent in the world? is it donald trump? absolutely not. >> joining me now is democratic congressman andre carson of indiana, a member of the house

intelligence committee. thanks for coming on. thanks for having me. >> let's start with what milk mulvaney just said, these things are becoming more prevalent in the world and is it donald trump's fault. he says absolutely not. do you agree? >> i won't say it's donald trump's fault. i think his language, actions, word, policies position, his dog whistling, has electrified those groups and energized those groups and without him saying it explicitly, they are left to assume that he is in support of their agenda. i think the president has an opportunity to be very bold and to be very clear and decisive in repudiating these organizations and distancing himself from their agenda. >> so why do you think the president isn't doing that more aggressively than he has? >> that's a question you'd have

to ask the president. i think a large part of his base is composed of people who share these white supremacist views and ideologies and honestly, i think his appeal to making america great again, taking america back to a mythical good old days really is a part of the white supremacist narrative that has used for decades, even religious texts to support their destructive ideology. >> you were one of the first muslims elected to the united states congress. when you hear the president respond an attack at a mosque the way he did, does it make you more concerned about our community of muslims here at home? >> i'm always concerned about the assist safety of muslims ace country and globally. some have security and conduct searches regularly. others who have, and work with

local law enforcement and work with security for mosques to thwart any potential violence and attacks. more can be done. local law enforcement has to play a roll e in that and i thi local law enforcement should play a role in that. many muslims who happen to be police officers. i was one of them. i think the law enforcement community has to deal with muslims in a way not just transactional. we have a freyayed history with law enforcement going back to j. edgar hoover's law enforcement intelligence program and now they can build bridges in a way more than rhetoric and small talk. >> switching gears a little bit, sir, but the law enforcement capacity, you serve on the intelligence committee and this week announced in a non-binding resolution to make the mueller

report public. what indications do you have, if any, that report may be imminent at this point, and are you confident that there is going to be some sort of public reckoning for it? >> one would hope. director mueller is an accomplished investigator. i think we have other -- we have committees working. we have the house intell committee working, the southern district doing their job. we have an opportunity for the american people to really see what is at hand. in fact, if it's discovered that there are criminal connections to the president, that must be displayed before the american people. if there is no evidence there against the president, then we have to move forward. look, the american people are concerned about jobs, economic growth, making sure their children have a secure future. they're concerned about the future of their retirement. we have to get back to those issues that matter to the

american people. we can't get past that hump until we're able to see what's in the report. the intelligence committee, we're able to continue our own investigation and really do what the taxpayers sent to us do, that's to be good stewards and good trustees over their interests. >> tonight, your colleague, omar has a new controversial post out. we must apply our universal values to all nations, only then will we have peace. she talks a little bit about her background in a refugee camp in kenya. do you think your leadership has handle the controversies around ilhan omar and treated them with fairness and respect? >> first, let me say ilhan is not only my sister, she's my dear friend. she's very brilliant. i think when keith ellison came to congress and i came to

congress, that was a bit of a shock to the system. i think we've had great leadership in folks like speaker nancy pelosi who saw to it i served on the intelligence committee. she's been vision erin that regard of making sure groups who are typically -- traditionally marginalized have a voice in congress. there's more to be done. my other sister raised an excellent point pointing out the islamophobia that exists in congress. when you're dealing with human beings, this is true. this is an opportunity to not pro prost still thiz we have families like others and have work struggles and want to do best for our constituents and work to benefit not only our constituents but the american people. >> congresswoman andre carson, thanks so much for joining us tonight. >> what a pleasure, thank you.

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welcome back to "kasie dc." joining me now, former white

house communications director, anthony scaramucci with the new book. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> paul ryan said the person that defines the race will win the race. if this is about donald trump and his personality, he isn't going to win it. do you think president trump's prern personality will help him in 2020 or is the former speaker right? >> i said to the president if he tones it down on twitter his approval ratings go up. paul is probably saying it differently than me, more cutting, why the president was criticizing him. we're all entitled to an opinion. the president won last time with a lot of the bellacosity. if he wants to win, it is wearing thin.

the smartest people around him telling him the truth would tell him to tone down certain elements of that stuff. if you tell him that he has a tendency to ramp it up higher. it will be interesting to see what happens. there are elements what paul is saying and probably could have used his choice of words a little differently. >> i was going to say the list of people he attacked on twitter just today is probably close to a dozen. this tweet just in what the democrats have done trying to steal a presidential election, first at the ballot box, in quocation marks and after that failed quote insurance policy, not sure what he means by that exactly, my first gut is the investigation, calls it the biggest scandal in american history. he's back to accusing democrats trying to steal an election at the ballot box. >> there's no evidence the election was stolen one way or the other.

the president obviously won the election and no evidence it wasn't quote-unquote stolen. it is in reference to the testimony and other things that happened at the senior levels of the fbi. that has to get this rashed out alongside the mueller report. what i would say to the president on those issues, once the mueller report is out, i think he'll be exonerated on stuff like collusion, let's focus on 2020 and lets litigate these ideas and litigate the policies. the economy is doing very well and a lot of great things happening. a lot of belacosity being spewed. i watched your last several segments, the whole white supremacy thing in my opinion, not enough for milk mulvaney to get out there and say the president is not a white supremacist. >> it's stunning he has to say it at all. >> i think it's the time we're in. actions speak louder than words,

kasie. there are several steps the president could take. he would say if you looked at prison reform, black history month. >> where do you put the muslim ban in there or travel ban? >> you never heard me say anything positive about the muslim ban. i was in due by three weeks ago. there was an iranian woman no threat to the united states but she can't get into the united states to see her family. to me, i'm not a fan of it. i think it's bad for the country. i think when people look back on it historically, geez, why are you guys doing that? you're overreacting, as thomas jefferson once said about fear, security and freedom, you have to be very very careful in that tug-of-war. i think we're overboard on that. i could point that out and offer a lot of evidence to that. that's one issue. the wheat supremacist issue and what's going on in terms of the

rhetoric, he's the leader of the free world. he is a great communicator. people on this network, not you, but some viewers probably don't like me saying that about him, he won the american presidency. there's evidence he's a good communicator. there's evidence -- sometimes he gets upset. >> people think he's dog whistling to the wheite supremay in the united states. >> i've heard that. if you corner him and ask him that question, of course i'm not doing that. i would say -- >> they think he is and see him as an ally. >> let's do actionable things to knock that off. david duke thinks the representative from minnesota is one of his allies as well. i think it's unfair, when these people start going and attaching themselves to our political leaders. it's very unfair. at the end of the day, you have to look at the agenda of the political leaders. >> we all saw, setting ilhan

omar aside, we saw the president's reaction in this wake of charlottesville. it is something that has plagued this country for -- since its inception and something we're now seeing exported and spread across the world. do you not think that the president bears some responsibility for that? >> look, i think in that specific issue, i was just fired from the white house, people ask me about it, whether it's steve colbert or george stephanopoulos, i said, i did not like that. it was a bad choice of words. had he said there were a lot of bad people on both sides, i think that would have probably been more attuned to what he was trying to point out. when he said there were very fine people on both sides i don't think that was the right thing to do. you can never support naziism and never support white supremacists or even give an inkling to people you think that way. one of the problems for the president, he doesn't like to apologize. he said it, it's out there. he'll point to his record about

things he has done for the african-american community in terms of employment numbers or hispanic community and prison reform and some of the pardons, he'll point to bipartisan commitment on prison reform where there were a lot of democrats that came in to side with him, a lot of african-american leaders that sided with him. i hear you. i'm not in love with that stuff. it's going back to what paul ryan said, it's that sort of style, his personality -- >> i would argue this goes beyond style. the tweets, sure, i buy style, making comments about white supremacy i would argue goes beyond that. are you going to work on the president's re-election campaign? >> it's a good question. i haven't been asked to work on the president's re-election campaign. if i get asked i support the president. i want to see the president do better. i like a lot of policies. i'm not in love -- you and i can debate whether it's style or not, i'm not in love with some

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alberta, who has an upcoming book called "american carnage." we want an early copy for the show. i haven't had time to read it but congratulations. he said he originally was not voting with the president because of his principles. principles are not supposed to change. what happened here? >> obviously, i'm not senator tillis' therapist. you have to take into consideration what happened the last couple of years, namely the first name that comes to mind is recently departed jeff flake, a colleague of senator tillis and ernest and sass', all these that came in this highly touted class of 2014 that will be facing tough elections in 2020. i think the last thing they want and need is to be on the

president's bad side, especially the issue of such emotion and visceral residence of the president's base like this one heading into that re-elect. funny your principles on paper can be one thing but when it's time to actually cast the vote and you have the white house knocking on your door and issuing implicit or not so implicit threats your position becomes malleable. >> was that an implicit or explicit threat of a primary challenge in north carolina? >> i worked in the house a couple years. the primary challenges are very real, especially in the house. in a state like north carolina, it's very easy to get on the right or far right of a statewide candidate running in a purple state. let's face it, president trump will go to north carolina when he runs for reelection whether thom tillis votes with him or against him. if you're thom tillis on the stage speaking unfavorably about you and will go to arizona and

other states whether they want him or not for reelection. >> what was your take overall on the events of last week and what they say and don't say about the republican party and this president. we spent a lot of time trying to figure out what was finally the breaking point about this president and the party? will it ever even happen? >> the fact we have considered this particular vote as something of a breaking point speaks volumes. i think it's symbolic in nature. it was vetoed and they didn't have a veto proof majority. obviously, you do see some senators deciding, okay, we need to draw a line in the sand here. this is a bridge too far. we view this as an issue that the constitution is black-and-white, article i, we're the legislative branch we have primsacy here and the president can't do that just because of that. and you see issues like ben

sasse that took a beating justifiably so. if you consider yourself a strict constitution list and i think it gives a great window how the party has shape, shifted and molded itself into a trumpian party. >> and i think for sasse, it was particularly hypocritical and underscores that point. >> sasse being one of the most outspoken voices in 2016 and went to iowa and said famously anybody but trump and issued one pithy release noting his opposition know president, but when it came to put his money where his mouth was he couldn't do it. almost impossible to distinguish that from the fact he's on the ballot in 2020. >> i think it was this week, maybe late last week, the news, i lose track of time is another theme of the show, her comments

about impeachment essentially saying the president is not worth it, is that a smart move on pelosi's part? >> i think it is. if she were to say impeachment is on the table it will rile up the far right base. we tried to use it in 2018 and say impeachment is something that the president has agenda item it might galvanize those on the far right but the moderates in the middle or swing voters want a democratic congress but not sure if they want them to do impeachment or far left things. it was a way to galvanize them. i think it's smart to take these off the table. who knows. she has a left flank problem she may have to cater to. >> i'm interested to see if it's as dramatic as the tea party has been. party has been yers. yers. ♪ ♪

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before we go, let's talk about what you're watching in the week ahead. matt, what do you have your eye on? >> beto's fund-raising numbers. if he doesn't release them, it's a sign he's shakier than anticipated. >> that is a very interesting point. i'm surprised they haven't put their numbers out. tim, what are you looking for? >> dwresz is out this week, so -- >> i know. >> all of these part-time -- >> i don't know what i'm going to do. >> so all of these part-time legislators/full-time presidential candidates can stay out on the trail. and a lot of them will be in iowa where the first round of the ncaa tournament is being played in des moines. those reporters wise enough to

schedule their travel accordingly, may catch basketball. >> very smart. i'm watching, of course, to see for the third week in a row, whether the mueller report will come to congress. that does it for us tonight. we'll be back with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 eastern. for now, good night from washington. this is my fight. >> after months of will he or won't he -- >> we begin this morning with a great big name entering the race. >> he is in. >> former el paso congressman pa beto o'rourke is officially running for breads. >> amy and i are happy to share with you i'm running to serve you as the next president of the united states of america. >> beto is the kind of candidate who can appeal to voters in these states and turn the electoral map on its head. >> beto is a star candidate as much as he is a politician. >> another step for the texas phenom who nearly beat senator ted cruz.

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