that does it for our hour. thank you for watching. "mtp daily" starts now. hi, chuck. >> hello, nicole. how are you? now that i know what day of the week it is. >> here to serve. >> thank you. if it's tuesday, norms! good evening. i'm chuck todd in washington with jokes that people over 30 are meant to get. it left me speechless which is hard to do in an age where it seems like we have seen it all. an american president teamed up to do the follow. attack the free press and attack the campaign opponents and a

hard right experience theory. this afternoon was a display of how the president's transactional impulses and attacks on democratic forms are being, in a word, exported around the world. how the u.s. has essentially seated the moral authority. that begs the question. what are the consequences of a president whose foreign policy that benefit his interest more than america's and in some cases ideological or financial. is this the emergence of the trump doctrine. he cheered the brazilian president's attacks on fake news. he used the phrase, and after president trump took a shot at his opponents here at home, he did, too. he publicly gave the president his endorsement for 2020. the president praised him and never once mentioned the comments about homosexuality in women.

the president is united with authoritarian leaders of sorts around the world while downplaying or overlooking the worst human rights abuses, whether praising the leader of the philippines for executing drug dealers and saying kim jong un was not to blame for on theo's death or dismissing the crown prince's role in jamal khashoggi's murder. carol is our political reporter and senior adviser and msnbc contributor and vice president at the american enterprise institute. we were just talking here and in some ways the whole thing was supposed to be about venezuela and an opportunity to link arm in arm, but they were linked arm in arm in probably the most unamerican way. >> yeah, i think one of the thing that is the president show side what his world view is. if you agree with him, then he

likes you. then he will basically praise you and do things with you and work with you in ways that maybe he won't others. we have even seen this in the way this president talked about foreign aid and ties that to whether people are nice to us and say nice things about us. >> charging certain countries if they want our bases and troops there. >> on the flip side of that, there is a cast of characters that he aligns with, whether it's the president of turkey or the leader of saudi arabia or as you mentioned, philippines. our traditional friends who he has criticism for. our allies. he takes to the wood shed over various small things that you can deal with in diplomatic negotiations like nato. we saw another example of that today. it wasn't just that he had -- it

showed that nothing is off limits for him. that it's about him and the thing that we don't know and if you talk to people who followed foreign policy and experts will tell you, there is the now and then there is the future and you don't know what the end game of all of this and the impact will be in five or 10 or 20 years. >> you 20 your life's work care being foreign policy. this has an impact. the question is how much and how long? >> it does and i think the thing is that everything carol said is true. donald trump is the ultimate personal politician. if you love me, i love you. >> is that fair to make that his doctrine. it's about the only consistency there is. >> it is fair because that's the prism for which he looks at everything. not just foreign policy. there is a bigger thread to pull here. we have entered an era in which our presidents are less concerned about the issues.

barack obama, i remember early in his term was asked who he had his best relationship with and he mentioned the russian and erdogan before the murders. still pretty bad. the reality is that the american people don't care as much as they need to about this. >> that brings me to you. on one hand, you can sit here and say this is a national security concern that should be debated. we should have this debate and it is we know, unless there are americans at risk of getting killed in a war, we don't care about foreign policy as a campaign issue. >> we are not talking about foreign policy in the context of this campaign and not seeing a lot of democrats talking about foreign policy. voters and democrats and republicans, it's not a top issue for them. the economy and immigration and

jobs and health care have been dominating the conversation. we didn't talk at all about national security or foreign policy. at all. the last time it was an issue was during the primary in 2008 and with the iraq war and before that in 2004 with bush prosecuting the iraq war against john kerry. >> for voters to consume in a way they should be concerned about is because there is no immediate consequences. the president does what he does with the relationships in the way he approaches the alliances is say yeah, we are not going to barb saudi arabia about their human rights records, but they are buying all of this. they are helping our economy. of course we are going to be friends with him. they want to go in and take over syria. kim jong un is working with him because i'm going to protect you

from his threat. he works it in a way that actually excuses the way he is approaching the relationships and makes it palatable. not only palatable, but makes it sound like it's a good thing. >> this is something -- we can debate america's moral authority. our hill and of the big countries, we are on the highest ground. we can say candidates are on the highest ground. it's one term. is this harder to sort of get our moral authority and human rights back after a term or two terms. what is it? >> i think america's moral authority is something intrinsic to the values this country holds and it's much more than donald trump. it's more than much nancy pelosi or mitch mcconnell or our govern governors. the american people carry our moral authority. of course i worry about it and worry about the degrading of the dialogue. but the reality is that on the

human rights front, we have been losing ground for too long. we defunded this in the obama administration. trump is outfunding even as he denigrated it and deprioritized it. you're right. at the end of the day, the only time we see people respond to this and demanding better is when we are threatened. >> the president also missed an opportunity to hit the social media companies for a legitimate issue. with new zealand to instead turn it into something about a conspiracy theory involving himself. take a listen. >> i tell you, i have many, many millions of followers on twitter. it's different than it used to be. things are happening. names are taken off. people are not getting through. you heard the same complains. it seems to be if they are conservative or republicans or if they are in a certain group, there is discrimination. big discrimination. we use the word collusion

loosely all the time. there is collusion with respect to that. something has to be going on. c. >> we have to decide whether that is a word or not. the president accidentally admitted that he makes up the collusion stuff and loosely uses it. he's the only person that uses it all the time. the larger issue is, this was tucker carlson's website guy that asked the question. not a larger question. it was teed up for this. a president could have made this about new zealand. >> right. but trump is all about playing the victim. he always has been about playing the victim during the campaign and as president. whether it is the deep state or the justice department or hillary clinton or rod

rosenstein or big tech, it's all about him playing the victim and his supporters being part of this victim hood of his. he believes that is the best way to get sympathy and that's what all of this is about. he loves playing the victim. for someone who portrays himself as being strong, he is very weak. it's driven by the last 72 hours have been driven by paranoia, fear, and think a little bit of jealously, too. >> you are too kind. it's not the last 72 hours. >> worry the tweet storm. >> part of that is actually donald trump's marketing magic. what you call this victim play, i think he reaches out to all of those people who are out in new york and california elites. all of these fancy guys and that mark zuckerberg guys are out to get us. he puts himself in with them. >> what he did was set up another opponent for him in

2020. another thing to blame for whatever may happen. the irony is that he then doesn't believe intelligence about russian interference on the social media platforms and is saying we need to be warned about twitter and these other platforms to try to influence. >> they are spending -- the biggest spender on digital. >> if they were illegitimate, they wouldn't spend their moan. his obsession with george conway and the john mccain thing which is just -- take a listen. >> i'm very unhappy that he didn't repeal and replace obamacare, as you know. he campaigned on repealing and replacing obamacare for years and got to a vote and said thumbs down. our country would have saved a trillion dollars and had great

health care. he campaigned and told us hours before he was going to repeal and replace and for some reason, i think i understand the reason, he ended up going thumbs up. had we known that, we would have gotten the vote and we could have gotten somebody else. i think that's disgraceful. there are other things. i was never a fan of john mccain and i never will be. >> it's unbelievable. this is a man -- john mccain was a war hero. a pow who is now dead and he's going after him. this goes back to my point. this is an example of his jealously. i think he is jealous of john mccain. his service to the country. >> let's remember, he's the bride at every wedding and the corpse at every funeral. he was not at that funeral. >> the coverage and the accol e accolades that john mccain got during that service, i think it ate away at him.

it happened when he didn't want to honor people who had been captured. this is a guy who -- losers. he is classless. >> it reminded me of when i was in hanoi for the kim jong un summit. he was very close to hat notice hilton, the site of other white house officials went and toured that and he said nothing and did nothing in that space. this is who he is. he gets a hold on it. to me it comes across as just anger. >> here's the reason why he keeps doing it. he keeps doing it because the republican party, the official remnants that are left, they just decided not to try. they have given up because they look at him and i understand why, they look at jeff flake and think a lot of good it did them. if they locked arms and say enough of this stuff, he would back down, but they don't.

>> he loves an enemy. i don't know that he would back down, but i will say this is the tragedy of the republican party. it has lost sight of any set of principals that define it. because of that, cannot come together against anybody. the republican party can't come together against the democratic party. it's true. this is really the challenge for the party. i would say even though we spend all of our time talking about trump, this is a challenge for the party as well. incendiary people are leading these two vend rabl institutions. >> later this month, the vice president of the united states, mike pence is going to join lindsey graham for his campaign kickoff. i wonder if mark salter is going to travel down and ask a few questions at the press conference. up ahead, is the president

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the first place. the appeals court judges seem skeptical that president trump is illegally profiting from the hot hotel. this is the trump family business interest following this lawsuit closely. robert is a constitutional law expert at the washington college of law. let me start with you, david. it does seem as if both the state and the district are making an uphill argument. i have to admit, why is this such a difficult argument? >> it's so novel. this has been part of the constitution for 200 plus years and other presidents have been so leer tow get close to the line. we are just figuring out how you argue about it and the tests you need to get into court. in this case, the judges were stopped at the first step.

do d.c. and maryland, the state and the district government, were they injured and can shay sh they show they were injured by it? if they can't show that, they can't bring the suit. the lower court judge said you might be injury and you can proceed. these seem skeptical of that. that's a serious problem for the case. >> the last time had you on, i asked you, doesn't marriott have more stand something a fellow hotel is being injured by this more so -- maryland can say they are being injured because they are collecting hotel taxes in maryland. marriott would have more standing than the two governments. >> i think it's fair. you have at least three different judges who are looking at the cases and they are

focusing on the theories of injury and whether people can make out a factual case that they are being affected by the president's behavior. in the district of slum bia they have members of congress who have been injured. one case in new york where a federal district judge has thrown it out on a variety of grounds and now you have the one case where the maryland justice allowed the case to go forward, but now it looks like the fourth circuit is skeptical. the district of columbia's and maryland's theory of injury is complicated. for one thing, they argue that they actually operate, for example, facilities that compete with the trump hotel. this is sort of the critwist as well as the residents within the jurisdiction. >> if this is the big deal,

getting standing leads to discovery. that then leads to what? >> that's a good question. discovery seems like the most concrete outcome of this case. we don't know what foreign festivities have spend money on. we don't really know who the customers are. discovery would seek those answers that. would be a big impact to know who the president's foreign customers are. after that discovery is vague. the d.c. and maryland said we want a judge to tell president trump stop taking emoluments and decree he must stop doing that, but the judge defines that and they haven't asked for him to be forced to divest or another far reaching step. it's a vague ruling and seems like discovery is the ball game. >> it's interesting what i don't understand. they seem to be focused on two e emoluments clauses and they are

focussed on the foreign money. here's where i thought this was the most troubling for the president. how is he his own landlord? >> that's a good question. >> that's what's happening here. >> absolutelime absolutely. he tried to distance himself by not being involved with day to day management, but he has not taken the steps past presidents have. >> he is the landlord as the president of the united states, the head of the government. that is government property. she the landlord to his own business. >> the other phrase is conflict of interest. a lot of unprecedented things this president has done in terms of thinking about his personal finances. david is right. this is an incredibly novel series of cases where the cowers are being asked to interpret the clauses for the first time. there is great work done at georgetown university that shows a lot of people thought that it

meant any profit, benefit or advantage that the president can gain. that's what the lower district judge found in this case. >> for does sound like the courts at the end of the day it sounds like it belongs in the supreme court no matter what. the high cowers interpretation of the emoluments clause. they filed suit on this front and is this the better avenue? >> if this fails, then yes. the best vehicle for folk who is want that discovery is this lawsuit. it's by congressional democrat who is say the constitution said if you are the president and want to take an emolument, you have to ask congress. we are being deprived of our role here. that's a different theory of standing. the cases take so long. if he's a one-term president, we

may not see it resolved before he is out of the white house. >> sorry that the smarter way to go about this? >> it's a very attractive approach. one of the questions is, if you are going to lose, is there a better way to lose? answer might be if you say this question is not there, one thing you avoid is judges defining the notions of emoluments. that's what they are inviting judges to do. >> you have been on this forever. this smells like it belongs as a congressional investigation first. we hit the cowers. thank you both. joe biden made it clear she going to run, but he may be about to doing something different. if he can't run a traditional campaign, is that just being different or desperate? that's next. that's next. i have a vision correction number,

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let's see what ideas people want to put on the table and talk them through. >> she is putting the prospect on the table without saying what she is willing to support. it's a common theme as democratic candidates on the trail confront the complicated question of payments to the descendents of slaves. >> i think that the word, the term reparations means different things to different people. >> senators harris and booker expressed support for some form of reparations. julian castro wants to study it and beto o'rourkements to tackle systemic reparations and bernie sanders and amy klobuchar want to take communities in need. >> i think what we have got to do is end this massive levels of disparity in a country that is already facing enormous disparity. >> most of the hopefuls are saying they want to do something

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welcome back. democratic voters are hungry for something new. that was the message i heard loud and clear on the campaign trail in iowa this weekend. if you are joe biden, how do you sell a product to an audience that wants something fresh. you have to add new features and maybe something flashy. there was new reporting this week that suggest the former vice president is even considering naming a running mate early on in his candidacy and campaigning as a ticket. he met with rising star stacey

abrams. is it possible that's what they talked about. it's a different move, but when does different become desperate. it's a challenge for biden 3.0 as he gets ready to get into this thing. joining me are people well versed in politics. cornell belcher and jennifer palmieri, director for president obama and hillary clinton. jen, i'm going to start with you because you have seen both sides of this coin when the democratic front-runner is the safe choice. it's tough to survive that primary and if you do, it's tough to sl yourself as new. at the same time there is an argument that the safe choice is the most de-electable. how do you sell safe when it's not new? >> it is true that front-runners have a hard time. the three times in the last 50 years the democrats have taken the white house back from the republican in 76, 92, and 08.

it has not been the front-runner who has done it. the biden team is right to think outside of the box if that's what they are doing and considering doing something like a running mate. i think the problem with that is if you come out and start the race at that kind of speed, is it hard to sustain? these things are -- the primaries are true slog. what looks certain one day is going to be different the next. he may find that he me ins to get in and run a long race and be open to doing things differently, but not expect that tactics propel him to the top. >> i want to you take a listen to this iowan they spoke to.

>> i am looking for a candidate that's young. >> that are matters. generational. so joe biden is out for you? >> i think he would make a good vice president. >> he was vice president. >> i know. he would still make a good one. i think we need to go for some youth. younger. i will be impressed with beto on all his responses that i heard him talk about. >> i'm going to beat up a car metaphor. it feels like joe biden is the reliable sedan and 17 other cars they are going to test drive and joe biden better hope they don't like him and come back to the reliable sedan. >> i think that's right. being the front-runner early on is usually the kiss of death in these things. i get what the biden team is thinking about doing, thinking about shaking things up and make this different.

particularly if he has a weakness to pick someone younger and of diversity. the problem with that is it looks like he is crowning himself the nominee before the contest. to that point, i heard this as well, there is a desire for a new generation of leadership. particularly no offense to senator schumer and speaker pelosi, but you have millennials who will be a large swath of our democratic vote and the large potential swath of voters and our country. they are looking for someone who can best connect with them. the biden team will be challenged on how they come across as fresh and new and youthful when a lot of voters quite frankly are looking for change. elections are always about the future and democrats seem to be about change and how does he fit

that change and that fresh niche and not the niche of the establishment candidates. if you are not, you're dead. >> speaking of establishment, there is a politico newsletter for the lobbying community and they did a survey of nearly 200 lobbyists and biden was the preference to be the democratic nominee. here is the one straw pull that joe biden does not want the democratic party to see. how does he get off the ground as an exciting alternative? what is some advice you would give him? >> right. i think that the way that i would recommend they do is low ball everything. say i'm not coming into this race as a front-runner. i understand that -- joe biden does understand this. everyone wants him to get in,

but once he's in, everyone will be gunning for him and lure him in. it's such a great story. once he's there, it will be tough. i would say i understand that i'm not going in as a front-runner and anyone who believes that is kidding themselves. i'm going to have to work hard from the ground up and build an organization that way. >> i don't think he can appear to be something new. this is experienced leadership at a time we need it. that's not necessarily an exciting new message, but there are voters that for him that is going resonate and he has to start there. he has to say i'm not coming in as a front-runner. i'm an underdog and all of history tells you i can't do it, but i'm going to work really hard. >> is the lesson here, it feels like he has to be patient. he's going to have to let voters test drive other candidates in some ways.

he almost can't complain about that, but let the media and twitter narratives beat him up too much. >> he has to let them date other people before they decide who to marry and hope they will come back to him being reliable. i want to say that i think one thing that i think is unique about biden that sets him a pardon part from the rest of the field is barack obama. that is a conversation and barack obama is not going to endorse anyone, but he can make a case to the base of the party who loves barack obama and no one stood in his corner and protected him and had his back like he did. that may in fact mean something to a diverse audience. >> is it a problem, jennifer, if the obama team hasn't rallied around biden? >> yeah, it's not helpful. that's what i think he would be

smart to lean into how hard it is. i know not to trust that poll that has me at the top. gravity will hit and i am not taking anything for granted and don't expect that i will have the support of everybody who supported me as vice president. i have to earn it. we like joe biden when he is an underdog and fighting back and the odds are against him. it's true for most politicians, but that would be his best shot. i think it is a really hard uphill battle for him. >> before i go, beto o'rourke, did he have a good weekend, tough weekend, or should twitter shut up? >> i always think twitter should shut up, but chuck, this is something i think is important about beto. you can't buy, you can't coach charis charisma. he has it. i'm not saying he has all the

policy stuff. i'm not saying he's the sharpest, but his ability to connect and roll up his sleeves is bill clintonesque. bill clinton had it and ronald reagan had it. >> you know when you see it. you do see it. you're right. you see those moments. we'll see. cornell and jen, you guys are the best. appreciate it. coming up, lordy, look who's 40. . mini was born extraordinary, with more power for more fun. mini was born to do the only thing we ever wanted to do. drive. to hit start and just go. fast and far. around town and around hairpins. to leave everyone in the dust, and leave rubber on the road. because mini was born to drive. drive for yourself at the mini born to drive sales event. special offers at your local mini dealer.

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i'm obsessed with what happened 40 years ago today. march 19th, 1979. it was the very first broadcast of the cable satellite public affairs network. you might know it as krc-span. featuring a speech from a young upstart tennessee congressman named albert gore. since then they transformed from a forgotten channel to the gentle giant of 6 of. chronicling the ebb and flow of american politics and the tifd american political life. the sausage making of governance and hypnotizing us with the quay lewd of the classical score. we could have used less dinner coverage and a little more eavesdropping on campaign events

after they end, my favorite part. then there is the charts. how could we possibly forget about all those ridiculous charts. we love them. there are so many iconic c-span moments. let us take a look at a few of our favorites. >> you're watching "meet the press"dale fre the historic studios of the second kennedy nixon debate and later our great moments in empty podiums, but first our tribute to 40 years of c-span. >> you're right i'm from down south and i'm your mother. >> i do not like green eggs and ham. >> meet the mets. meet the mets. you stupid? >> i like green eggs and ham. >> he should be fired. >> everybody is coming down to meet the mets. >> in all seriousness, by the

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time for carol, doug, and dan. i want to start with you. the unofficial super pac for whoever the nominee is going to be. let's say what it is. people noted that the candidates said they are against single issue super pacs. they are against this one. they let us know the style they want to do and this is an old ad, but it's hitting trump on the economy and broken promises on the economy and not on anything with impeachment and not on emoluments and the word mueller is not said. it reminds me of the romney

playbook in 2012. where was this four years ago? >> i think the issue with four years ago is that there were too many things the democrats were trying to prosecute against trump. it was his fitness for officeof. it was him being divisive and there was not enough on him and his economic record, what he dids a business owner, the fact that he fired people. >> they could have rerun romney '12. >> right. in fact, in '12 that unbelievable ad with the caskets. there were a lot of examples of individuals that donald trump had screwed over as a businessman throughout his career and we were never able to break through with it. >> danny, this has always been the case with anybody who ever runs against trump. they look at it and think oh, my god, it's target rich. you can't spray your bullets. >> also, he has shown himself to be a master of defining the

field. >> he can. we'll see if he can do it this time. >> we saw him do it against the republican. he has been very good against his own side and also made it a dirty game. that whole romney playbook was the way we used to do things. we didn't call people low-energy jeb and little marco. he defined that as the mean election. i don't know whether he will be able to do that again. >> the economy play, though, is really interesting, because there are unfinished pieces that were really important to the states that he managed to win that carried him over, and that's the china deal. you don't know what he's going to get. there's a lot of fear, even including among people around the president, that he will take a bad deal where it will be temporary enough that you won't see the impact of a bad deal until after he wins re-election. so there's that. there's the tariffs issue. what's it like for farmers in iowa, things like that.

and the way that the obama people did it, they did it early and they did it nonstop. it was relentless. and so the other question is, can they stick with it? the thing that trump is good at, not only defining his field, is getting people to move into a space of a conversation that he wants to talk about, whether it's socialism or whatever. >> you think why is he -- he will be like, why is he bringing that up? that's not good for him but it actually takes you off something. the question is whether your party has the discipline. >> and also the other thing that was effective about the case against romney was it was targeted to three or four states. they targeted three or four battleground states. >> pretty much the states that trump won. >> yes. >> it was about those midwestern states that they were concerned about losing in '12. >> you see trump going crazy on this gm/uaw issue. that's a big selling point for him. he talked about he was going to bring back manufacturing jobs, bring back jobs to the rust belt

and, you know, here is a real good example of that not happening. and he's going crazy on twitter about it. >> are the democrats -- i'm sorry, are the republicans wrong to think that the democrats are going to clear their own field, that this is just going to be a circular firing squad and donald trump can sit there and enjoy it and tweet about it and come in at the end? >> i am curious that, you know, democrats -- republicans are going to destroy each other trying to get trump and they didn't. democrats claim that they're going to have this hands-off approach. i have a feeling when you look at the people bernie sanders just hired, you know, they fired some people who are very aggressive. david serota is an aggressive guy in the media. he doesn't sound like someone who will play nice with the other campaigns. >> it's early. everyone is saying nice things. everyone wants -- this is going to get -- when it really starts to get tough it's going to get rough. these are candidates who have the ability to do that.

it's not like any of them are -- no one is -- there's nobody in that field that you can look at and think yeah, they're not going to get down in the mud when it comes down to whether it's them or someone else. >> there's a penalty for being if you look -- like chris christie went on a suicide mission to get marco rubio, but it ended him, too. >> sure. >> he had to turn everybody off of him as well. do you see that kind of campaign with democrats, bernie sanders? >> in 2004 i was working for howard dean and it was basically a murder/suicide with him and gebhart. >> that's right. >> and john kerry won iowa. >> gebhart took dean out. >> if you're going to go negative, you've got to be very smart about it. it has to be issue focused. i think elizabeth warren has an ability to do some really strong, sharp contrasts with the rest of the field and not look

like she is personally attacking a democrat. i wonder if beto, though, will be willing to make those contrasts in a debate. >> and i wonder if some voters think electability is are you tough enough to do it? great conversation. thank you carol, doug and danielle. congressman nunez utterly fed up. rly fed up [zara larsson - "wow"] ♪ ♪ baby i'm not even in a gown ♪ and the only thing u have to say is wow ♪

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