to much, but he has been very compelling of a lot of people. but the question is, i think the rap on him is that he could not even goat be dnc chair, but like deb by wasserman schultz should be running? good week for him. >> a lot of your great political reporting is stringing these moments together. >> totally. >> my thanks to matt miller, that does it for our hour, thank you for watching. "mtp daily" starts now. >> here is a real test. >> i never do well on -- mayor buttid buttiedge. we all learned how to do it. i would argue that march of 2019, that's pretty impressive.

i didn't know if we would be able to do that that fast. >> aif it's wednesday, are we breaking bad? good evening, i'm chuck dodd in wug. at a moment when the mueller report is on a lot of people's minds encolluding president trump's we we begin with what we're learning about this president's breaking point. based on what we have seen this afternoon, earlier today, yesterday, and the day before that, and based on the gop's silence, it is possible there is no breaking point. why do i say that? look at the president's behavior. he attacked the special county, his own justice department, you will have to see what he just

said again. he demeaned a private citizen, and that was just this afternoon. let's go look at his behavior in the last five days, cheering for attacks on journalists, attacking social media companies, and more attacks on john mccain. down playing the global threat of white nationalism. casting himself has a victim in the wake of the new zealand mosque mass cher skmassacre. we can't let this behavior go unnoticed when it comes from the president of the united states of america. at the same time it feels like we have made this point on the show again, and again, and again, and again, and again. and it is almost as if the president is trying to wear us

down to a point of exhaustion. before i get to branding you up there, mr. steal, this is trump in lima, ohio, because he had not attacked mccain enough on a south lawn. he needed to do it in a swing state. >> john mccain received the fake and phoney dossier. he didn't call me, he turned it over to the fbi hoping to put me in jeopardy and that is not the nicest thing to do. i'm a very loyal person. he voted against repeal and replace, at 2:00 in the morning, remember? thumbs down. we said what happened? badly hurting the republican party. badly hurting our nation, and hurting many sick people. and the other thing is that

we're in a war in the middle east that mccain pushed so hard. i endorsed him at his request and i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted, which has president i had to approve. i didn't care about this, i didn't get a thank you, we sent him on the way but i wasn't a fan of john mccain. >> he didn't get his thank you. boy, i mean that, by cindy mccain didn't send a thank you note to the president of the united states. >> such the victim there, i think you put your finger on the core piece issue, and that is wearing us down. the president is effectively wearing down the media, wearing down the governmental institutions they have relied on, wearing down our common sense on the things that we

should be offended by as we slough off things that we should be offended by. for him this is as much a chess match as it is the personal affront. how much more can you take of what i do every single day. the press is trying to play catch up. the insult of standing in front of a rotary helicopter, you can barely here the questions and the answers and he knows the press will stand there in that ig d indignity. we are in essence the president's play things. throw things out, see who runs to grab it, see who stays behind. >> but there is a way to stop this. >> how? >> if the republican party banded together to stop him. they never tried to do it together. >> that was the deal they signed from the beginning, right? they know how -- he is taking

the taking the -- does anybody care? >> no, that bargain was made the day he came down that escalator and he threw that so-called autopsy that the republican party put out about going after hispanics. >> he is going after hispanics, but not in the way they originally thought. suddenly they realized that something was different there. >> but the problem is that the people were with trump. >> yeah, and that is lack of leadership, and it explains your frustration with the republican party and your frustration with the republican party. for us as journalists there is attention, right? half the time he wants us to look at tweets so we're looking here instead of over there, and if we don't pay attention them

we are normalizing it. it is hard balance for us to strike. for republican leaders it is a difficult thing. they were not going to pay attention to tweets unless they were really forced to, and in that situation they might do something very mild like issue a statement about what a fine senator john mccain was. >> i tried to ask him why he put that tweet out. i apologize to the control room, i think i'm asking for it now, but let me, i'm going to put it out there. he doesn't explain why he decided today to tweet about john mccain. >> then i'm going to reclaim my time. i think we have it up here. here it is, today and every day i miss my good friend john

mccain. his memory continues to remind me every day that our nation is sustained by a sacrifice of heros. it is a very nice statement. >> things just happy, you know, they bubble up. look we feel like to is achievement when there is something that doesn't come to task and it seems like a litting standing up to do. we were talking about the fact that 12 republicans broke with the fact of something that he would override with a veto, let's tear our hair out about the failure to respond to

actions. >> >> he add missed what it was all about. he blames him for the dossier. he seems more concerned about the mueller report than mueller. >> i just won one of the greatest elections of all time in the history of the country, even you will admit that, and now someone will be writing a report that never got a vote, explain that. i have 306 electoral involvements. i got 63 million votes. i think it is sort of ridiculous. when you a great victory, someone comes and does a report out of nowhere, how does that

make sense? >> he never got a vote. >> first of all, he doesn't have 223 correct, that is incorrect, and he fails -- it is what is absence there, he didn't get the most votes, if you're counting on that front, but mueller rattled him. >> yeah, you know you're over the target when you start taking a lot of flak. the president is returning to one of the defensive instincts. >> you're right we had not heard the 306 for awhile, had we? >> yeah, he had the color coded maps because he was insecure about the legitimacy of his victory. he know what's is says, and he knows what muller is investigating. the mueller report, whatever time it takes, but the

possibility that it reveals something damming or that it will remind people what it is all about. >> and he went along with it in some form, passively or actively, but he went along with it in some form. >>. >> and the argument that he has been making in the last few weeks, he is looking for votes. welcome to the rule of law. welcome to prosecutions, there is no prosecutor in the federal system. they have been named and they're operating according to the rule of law. that is a good thing not a bad thing, it doesn't make them ill legitimate. >> it makes them more legitimate. >> precisely. >> the president did say something though, a quote that we may throw back at him quite a

bit, take a look. >> do people have the right to see the mueller report? >> i don't mind. i told the house if you want let them see it, let it come out, let people see it, that is up to the attorney general. she a very highly expected man. i want to see the report, and you know who wants to see it? the tens of millions of people that love the fact that we have the greatest economy we ever had. >> okay, he says put it out there. >> he can't take anything to the bank. >> i think from that standpoint. his tax returns as well. the audit. here is the thing, he probably figures out that at the end of the day, his attorney general is

not going to release that report. so he can go well. >> and i imagine that bar has gamed this out, and he knows precisely what she going to do, and the report will probably not like like at star report. i think it will be possible for barr to not release the report or much of it, it will be impossible for him to hide how extensive it is, he will cherry pick, but people will know. at least the fact that he did, the fact of that will -- >>. won't read right. people will know who did it and they will talk. >> going back to senator

mccain -- >> where is that thank you note. >> i guess i just don't understand why this is so difficult for the rest of the republican party to stand up. >> did you not get that mcconnell tweet in that is the remarkable thing. you're just going against the president to the extent that you are in this symbolic way and then they feel restrained about what they can say because 90% of the republican party is with the president. >> it is fascinating to me that he used the word loyal, it is loyal or disloyal. no right or young.

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months from now if he say it's again. >> he was willing to hit the president over his mccain comments, that's as far as he will willing to go. >> there are those that think whether or not president trump has issues with stability. do you think that is an unfair question to raise? >> i think it is and i'm not going to get into that discussion here because i don't think it is a discussion. i respect the presidency of the united states regardless of who the president is, that's how i wish everyone would be. >> joining me, former florida congressm congressman, carlos. and i'm going to start with you. you certainly, i think the president liked to over emphasize how to pronounce your name, that was his shot at you. how hard is it for you to

criticize the president and talk to republicans back home in florida? how much grief do you get? >> certainly look the biggest fear that any house republican has is getting a primary challenge. everyone saw what happened to mark sanford in scarouth caroli. he had a primary challenge, and he lost his primary, and yet sometimes it is difficult when you encounter the more staunch republican voters, but a lot of people, chuck, more than i think the average member of congress realizes, do take a principaled stance and do appreciate it. it is tough, but it is something that people have to do, it is the right thing to do. >> you heard johnny isackson, i can't understand why a president would why the president would,

once again, disparage a man -- that is the entire list of sitting republican senators who chose to take the president on by name, mitch mcconnell put out a tweet today just to say nice things about john mccain, just thinking about him today, what makes this so difficult? >> that is an extraordinarily interesting yes. we can't normalize this. i understand that people are afraid of the tweets, but will any republican lose reelection because -- >> charlie, believe it or not, i have republican viewers that say you don't understand, john mccain is a traitor, they do, you probably get the same, it is amazing how much of the president's base views them like this. >> yeah, it is also the way that his supporters that make these

vile attacks, not just on john mccain but on members of his family, but this is part of the transformation of his base and the republican party. look, this is not about a st substantive issue. this is not about voting against a supreme court justice, it should be a basic minimal thing. mr. president, okay, we're with you on all of these other things, but you cannot demean an american hero, how do you not just shake your ahead and say is this my leader? >> carlos, this is part of this, there is part of the trump base, i don't know what else to call it, that just wants to make liberals cry, that just wanted to own the libs, that that is all the trump candidacy is for

these folks, but i come across these folks that love it. they don't lament it, they love it. >> chuck, i call it political intox cai intoxicati intoxication. it is good for him politically and i think it fies his ego. they have to realize there will be a post trump era. we don't know if it gips in 2020, some of us think 2032, maybe after the fourth term. >> i'm sure some people are talking about that somewhere. but the longer republicans are quiet the more republicans refuse to stand up for common decency. this is not a policy question here. i voted for the tax bill. i voted for reasonable care to

reform and replace it, this is not a policy this is a lot of same parents and grandparents that applaud this type of behavior even though they taught them not to do it. >> charlie, i'm probably setting you up here. i have to play lindsey graham today, and lindsey graham four years ago. here he is today. >> my job is to represent the people of south carolina. they want me to work with the president where i can. i have to know the president, we have a good working relationship. i like him, i don't like when he says things about my friend john mccain. >> here is lindsey graham in 2015, the first -- after the first time that the president attacked john mccain. >> how could anybody wanting to

be commander in chief suggest that john mccain and people like him are anything less than heros. he is a train wreck, a car wreck, and he showed why he will not make it through this process. >> but that is the two lindsey grahams. >> and it is pathetic. i understand that he is running for reelection next year, but you hope that there is part of him that is just ashamed. this is a man he knew and respected, but the people like him that are really part of this extraordinary part of politics. i would use the term corruption. john mccain demeans everyone around him and he demeans the people, he demands they demean themselves. it's like she testing how far can i push what you're willing

to expect and entable from me, and he is becoming like a lab whereat. can i get him to cave in? ly insult his friend over and over and will he respond? >> what is the anecdote? >> well, i don't know, the longer that this continues to go on, the worst this is going to be for republicans a few years from now. what we see from senator graham, i know him well, i have worked with him on a number of issues, but the fear of a primary and the american party is what drives a lot of conduct on the hill, and it is impossible to lead with fear and one day everyone is going to be held

accountable for this era, for everything that we're seeing, how it hows, how it unfolds, but i don't see how this ends well. >> is the super power that trump has, i always say here that our power in the press and the power in elected officials to criticize is what? to make you feel shame. so al franken decides to resign. but that is the whole point, that is how it works. he is immune to this. is this his super power? >> absolutely. you can't throw anything at him, he will never be embarrassed or apologize. does lindsey graham have that super power? did he community that to his party and base? and if he does, then the moment he leaves office we're not going to snap back.

this will leave something -- >> everyone that thinks we're tsunamiing back is naive. >> we feel like we're caught in a loop. >> we don't have the conversation, why aren't you, and why do you keep having the same conversation? because it's not normal. >> i think what you're seeing with the president, going out and attacking george conway, and every time the president speaks or tweets now, he seems to be confirming what he is suggesting. >> that's for sure, i will be honest, i try to keep that off of the air because they have kids. i wish that the president would respect that. thank you both, coming up, president trump and some of his allies are pushing the idea that social media companies are unfairly sensoring conservatives. do they believe this or is it

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we have a corrupt media. our media is dishonest. >> the only media he watches is -- welcome back, that the president trump earlier today touting how he uses twitter to communicate with his 59 million followers. that was a day after he says they're somehow discriminating against conservatives and sensosenso censoring them. >> you see the level of, in many cases hatred they have for a certain group of people that happen to be in power, that happen to have won the election, you say that is really unfair. so something is happening with those groups of folks that are running facebook, google, twitter. and i think we have to get to the bottom of it, it is fair, it's collusive and it is fair to say we have to do something about it. >> with me is a former fbi

special agent, and a security analyst, clint, awesome good lw see you, sir. this is a conservative experience theory that social media countries are in cahoots. maybe they're right, or some of this other stuff. what is it they're referring to, is it that they're suggesting that it is being kicked off of their platforms? the interesting thing about a shadow band, maybe your content wasn't that great and it didn't trend. this conservative bias thing has been pushed forward for a few years.

i testified at the senate judiciary committee a few years ago and they were going heavy against twit near dter that day was a steady drum beat. two of the most trafficked, prolific trafficked, are fox news and "the daily wire." >> facebook engagement in this calendar year, fox news is one. and you look in here and the most engaged, they're number one. what was interesting here according to facebook, fox news had the page with the most angry comments. is the bias the other way. are they allowing conservatives to spread misinformation -- >> and it was about angry

responses, and it leads to emotion, sharing content, and tone. the source of the information is not the producer of the content, but who provide it's for you. in those conservative circles they are the most tight. they mapped out all of the links that supported or were accessed by trump sportupporters and by clinton supporters if is a very tight bubble and they trended the most going into the election day of 2016. >> there seems to be a reason that he is trying to go after social media specifically. is he fearing regulation that is coming, or is he trying to launch a new service? >> it is curious that he criticized places like facebook, if you remember there was a trump tv channel that was tried out there at one point and there is always talk of this, and what this is i think for

conservatives is social media is the final frontier of their social media bubbles. it is one platform they cannot control, and if you can move your constituency, you don't need to scrape profiles, you don't need to pay for profiles, you can use that conservative base as your own base to block out any rebuttals. it is a dream come true as a political influencer. you see bannon talking about maybe we should nationalize tech. he is a death of an administrative state. you have cruz that talks about neutral platforms, and you have nunes doing a wild twitter suit. but conservativeconservatives, leave this platform and come to one that is for us and one that we control. >> but this is all evidence free, what is he talking about?

my god, i think i have more, i might have more standing to sue twitter than he does. i just, based on his theory of the case, but i don't think a i standing to sue twitter by the way. >> other than if it is part of a larger -- we have seen him going fake news, discrediting news outlets, they are going essentially to the platforms and doing the same thing, i think it is strategic to discredit the news platforms and the news sources. >> look, this is particularly scary when you look at some of the truly unregulated platforms out there that the new zealand terrorist uses, the synagogue terrorist used, they use really out there places to communicate

because 8 channel because control was too tight, and gab, that's where this is headed, is it snot. >> yeah so if you splinter into all of these little pockets and dominate people's minds, it is also not only unregulated, but it allows for the festering of extremist views. talking about gab, what you saw was a community of people radicalizing themselves, but you see the same thing emerging. >> and how dangerous is gab? >> the smalle esest platforms a very dangerous. sometimes it is five or ten people that operate the entire platform, they cannot police it. that is part of the attraction.

so it is extremely dangerous and difficult for regulators, but it is difficult for law enforcement and investigators as well. >> clint watts, i appreciate you guys knowing this is the ultimate goal here, they're trying to force everybody out of the main stream and into their own bubble. skar ri stuff. up ahead, why i'm obsessed with president trump's ultimate love-hate relationship. esident e love-hate relationship our grandparents checked their smartphones zero times a day. times change. eyes haven't. that's why there's ocuvite. screen light... sunlight... longer hours... eyes today are stressed. but ocuvite has vital nutrients... ...to help protect them. ocuvite. eye nutrition for today. [zara larsson - "wow"] ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪

welcome back tonight i'm obsessed with the electoral college. a lot of democratic candidates are obsessed, two, and you would want to, too. you know who else is accessed with it in he is so obsessed that he can't be limited to just one side of the argument. here he was in the presidential campaign. >> the path for republican -- >> the road is a little tougher. it is a very tough path. >>. >> the electoral college. i'm not going to change my mind because i won.

>> no, it is a rough path, you won in sight of the electoral college, right? >> i won because the electoral college is a very special thing. >> i never appreciated how genius it was until now. >> it's genius. >> i'm telling you it is genius. >> it's all that matters. >> i have never been in favor of it but now i appreciate it. colleagues are dominated by liberals, right? y liberals, right? you might take something for your heart... or joints. but do you take something for your brain. with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

it is time now for "the lid." ruth, shane, and mike really back. the president today did a tweet

on politics. let me put it up, the democrats are getting very strange. they now want to change the voting age to 16, significantly the number of supreme court justices. actually, you've got to win it at the ballot box. like i said, this was not an insane tweet. all three of these things are true right now in the democratic party. >> it is the most fascinating thing to watch the democratic party adopting, not as a party, but candidates pushing positions that would have been unthinkable, even just a few months ago. when i first started hearing about the pack the court stuff, i really dismissed it. and now, it might be the price of admission almost, to democratic primary candidacy. >> i don't get the court packing thing, shane. because it doesn't address the real fundamental problem at the courts. it's how the united states' senate process works. that's what's broken. not the number of justices.

>> and i wonder, though, what people are gravitating towards is in the era of trump, trying big, new, wild ideas, just like, think outside the box to sort of start a conversation. you're actually completely right. there's a structural, functional impediment here that we can talk about. and i wonder if a lot of these candidates that people's eyes are going to glaze over when they hear that. so they think of something new and big and -- >> and undoable. >> and doable. >> that's the reason they do it. >> trump has made the unthinkable thinkable. >> that one is not -- this is not trump's fault? >> no, no, that's not blaming him. >> what you're saying is, he's opened the door. >> he's opened the door to a lot of things that we once thought were unthinkable, about how we look at the presidency and the institutions, as i was saying before. so this now comes, how the democrats are kind of doing their slow roll version of trump are through these kinds of ideas, that they think will certainly, first, get their base

excited and engaged. and secondly, to your point, sort of start that sort of wild branded conversation nationally. >> ruth, i have a crazy idea. what if you took the strict constitutionalist route when it comes to the electoral college? you know what that is. imagine if the electoral college worked the way the founders intended it to work, which meant, those electors got together and decided whether -- >> who the best man was. >> whether the person who won the best electoral votes was visit for office, which is actually the -- i mean, this is the part of either, you do it all the way with the electoral college, or you abolish it. when you got rid of the point of it, then you -- >> you just want to start a riot! >> no, but that is the point! that's what the founders intended. >> yes, but, we haven't been there for a very long time. >> i understand that, but the founders kept erin burr out of the white house for a reason. that's all i'm saying. >> but what i'm saying back is, we actually have serious problems.

it is a serious problem that the popular vote diverges from the electoral college and has done so a number of times and that is going to create doubt in people's mind about the legitimacy of the system. it is a problem that people understand the supreme court to be a political institution, no matter what the chief justice says, with trump judges and obama judges and red suits and blue suits. that is a problem. we need to think about ways to fix both of these things, but what we need to know is to think about achievable ways to fix them, not pie in the sky constitutional amendment ways. >> thank you! >> you're welcome. >> it just seems to me -- the senate's the problem. >> right. how they do this is the problem. >> but i think to ruth's problem, when you talk about packing the court, whether it's the electoral college and popular vote, it's reflecting people's anxiety about the legitimacy of institutions and the feeling that they're rigged. so by saying that you're open to proposals like that, you are saying to people, i hear you. there's something in these big institutions and things we've done, things that are

fundamentally unfair and we should talk about. >> i want to put up two poll questions here, real fast. there was an interesting way our friends at cnn asked the following things. asked democratic voters, if they have a better chance at beating trump with biden or someone else or bernie sanders someone else. biden led someone else, someone else led sanders. not surprising, do you feel like sanders and biden are placeholders for kamala and beto, or is this about biden and sanders? >> i think if people took the question seriously, there will come a point in this campaign where you've got to answer the question as a voter in the primary, who can win this coming november. who actually can do it? and given the way that middle of the country -- because that's the playground. you can talk about the east coast/west coast and north and south. the middle of the country is where the sweet spot is. and who plays best there? and i think you'll begin to see voters align with that thinking that says, yeah, at the end of

the day, joe biden is going to sit more atop of that than at the bottom. >> go ahead. five seconds. >> how do voters align that urge with the urge to blow up the whole system? >> that's, i think the question that kamala harris would really like to know the answer to. >> she would. >> to anybody that's in that line. >> shane, ruth, and michael, thank you very much. up ahead, there's about to be a big change around here. i mean, everything will be different when we come back from break. i swear to god. ent when we comem break. i swear to god i hear it in the background and she's watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] i've never seen that before. ♪ ♪ i have... ♪

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well, in case you missed it, no, i'm not doing a jim jordan impersonation, but something big just happened. only a few seconds ago, today is march 20th. this year, also known as the vernal equinox. the day when the earth's axis is untilted relative to the sun. and you know what that means? that means the equator is on an even plane. and the sub-solar point is now headed in a northern trajectory in relation to earth, of course. and you know what that means? that means today we have nearly the exact same amount of daytime and nighttime. and you know what that really means? that means as of approximately 67 seconds ago at 5:58 p.m. eastern daylight time, it is now officially spring! ♪

>> see, i knew you knew what all of that meant. happy spring. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more mtpda daily. "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. happy spring. >> i have one item before you go. i know you don't know what i'm about to say because i haven't discussed with this you, but you and your "meet the press" team just met a walter cronkite award. we pulled a clip from your award-winning piece. take a look. >> we're not going to debate climate change, the existence of it. the earth is getting hotter and human activity is a major cause, period. we're not going to give time to climate deniers. the science is settled, even if political assignment is not. and we're not