my thanks today to my guests, that does it for our hour, thank you so much for watching, they're to our friends in washington for welcoming us here. time now for "mtp daily" with chuck todd. >> hi, nicole. did you bring the rain? >> i didn't bring the rain or the mueller report, either. >> no, you didn't, you can bring that tomorrow. >> if it is thursday, break out the slicker and t eer because w hurricane mueller watch. good evening, i'm chuck todd here in washington. welcome to "meet the press daily." a lot of folks in washington are

once again bracing for robert mueller to hand his report to the attorney general and if he does, we'll be ready. it is 5:00, you never know. we compared this to an approaching hurricane. i am from florida, after all, everyone thinks they have a sense of the storm's strength and path, but no one really knows for sure until it actually arrives. and with this approaching political storm you better baten down the hatches. you don't know if it is full landfall or skirting the coast. you have some legal experts that think that they will be dropping the hammer, and others who belief that if he doesn't, it is the prosecutors in the southern district of new york that could be doing that you have undeclared presidential cap dates on both sides of the aisle

waiting to see how or if they jump in. not to mention how it could weaken or strengthen the president going into 2020. house democrats are escalating their probes for president and a race that is pretty hungry for impeachment. and you have folks like donald trump junior waiting to see if she in the clear. and then the public waiting to see if the president and his associates could cob expinspiren an election. we may find out if the president obstructed justice to prevent that investigation. joining me now is preet rharara. welcome, sir, good to see you. >> thank you, good to see you. let me start with something you said to katy tur a couple days ago. the rest of us think the mueller

report is coming perhaps by noon tomorrow. you have been throwing caution into the wind on this and that it may not be here for days or weeks. why, at least a few days ago, were you skeptical this was not coming soon. >> because we went through this whole drill three weeks ago, everyone was breathlessly reporting that it was coming, it was coming, my phone was ringing off of the hook. that started to happen again last night. people have been saying to me by e-mail and text, it is definitely happening tomorrow, it is now today, it is 5:00 and it could still happen, but we're talking not about the mueller report, but anticipating the mueller report. and there are signs that they're winding down, andrewwiseman has left the team and some things have come to a conclusion, and some things that point in the opposite direction like the letter that was submitted to rick gates. and the other thing that

permeates all of this in my view is that nobody knows anything. and it could be that at 11:59 tomorrow morning, the pundits are correct, but i'm not putting my money on it one direction or the other. >> if the mueller report comes tomorrow, one thing that will not have happened is he will not have forced the president to appear before the grand jury. is that a final act move? is that something that could be sitting here and that's what he is waiting at the very end? he may not be ready because he will make an attempt at forcing the president to speak to the grand jury? >> it seems to me he will not attempt to force the president, but it has been reported and ak no acknowledg acknowledged, and they would

answer written questions, and the special council was interested in compelled system, but that doesn't seem to have a lot of -- to make a lot of sense. >> i'm just curious, if he does -- is that a mistake by mueller, if you fwhr his shoes, would you have tried to get him in front of the grand jury? >> in most indications, if someone is not just a subject because target, you don't put them in the grand jury. >> people have thrown around that world, i don't know what current status is. it depends on the evidence they collected and put together to figure out if there was a conspiracy, not just collusion, and obstruction. but at some point, it just doesn't make a lot of sense to wait forever given if they

believe it is true that they cannot indict a sitting president. you get the report, you get all of the information you can, and you get to the other branch to hold the president accountable. >> one of the speculative things out there, a lot of smart people are saying it. if there are sealed indictments waiting, they will be unsealed when he submits his report, is that what would be happening. if bob mueller has a few other things in his hollster, if there

was some other thing, the submission of the report seems to indicate their are winding down. if there is loose ods and ends. that would make sense from a pragmatic point of view. >> so you would not be surprised if for any number of people that are waiting until he is finished with his report. >> i would not be surprised by anything at this point, i know it sounds like over he thinking, even for someone who hedges a lot. i don't know the facts, i like to have facts and speculation. i would not be surprised. and there is not that much more

thaten special council has. they play be surprised again. there is probably enough for an obstruction charge. this is what we know, this is what is provable, ordering with the white house council to fire mueller. respok revoking security clearances, what we saw in public. can you imagine mueller not making obstruction a big part of h his. >> it is a criminal case, and i am very caution also. when there is a lot of public

outcry and the public thinks they have knowledge of ten facts, but they don't have knowledge of the other side of things to be very critical of a prosecutor who chooses not to bring a case, it is the greater ability of the nature of the law and everything else, there is a lot of evidence of on instructive intent, and potentially obstruction, i'm not prepared to say it gets over the threat hold where you bring a criminal charge. just having evidence doesn't take you the charge. if you think you will have proof beyond a reasonable doubt which is a high standard. hopefully question expect if

there is a charge, they will figure out what to release or not release. >> i want to go to the manafort prosecution here. he successfully prosecuted paul manafort. it is that a success? it turn odd out to be failure. >> i think it was a failure for paul manafort. he was convicted at one trial. he tried to make overtures to cooperate, and manafort dropped the ball and destroyed himself. and at some juncture he tampered with witnesses. paul manafort had a chance, an opportunity to get out of jail free, and he failed at it, and i never considered that to be

failure on the prosecution. that key witness is so terrible and so self destructive that they self emulate. that will be the prosecutors fault. >> i don't want to go down this rabbit hole too far, but the fact that manafort at sometimes was double dealing, a cooperation agreement with mueller, back channelling with the president's lawyers, is that -- at what point is that obstruction in your mind? >> it is definitely bad conduct and i guess it is possibly obstruction. people forget that paul manafort was convicted to one trial and then pled guilty to what they thought would be a cooperation agreement. they could have gone back and charged these other things, but perhaps charged obstruction like

you say and other things that he got a bye on with respect to the cooperation agreement. they figure we already have him get on multiple accounts. it ended up being lower than some people expected. they had the opportunity to go charge him with more and they chose not to. >> if you were in the southern district of new york, and you feel like you had enough evidence to indict the president, if you look with the michael cohen situation, could you make that indictment without the approval. is that something you to have the attorney general approve? or is that something that the sdny could go without main justice wabing in. >> i'm smiling because people

were our off to be very independent. ly say about that, and maybe not everyone will agree with me, and i'm speaking only for myself, and if someone thinks there is a good amount of evidence for the president, but given the policy that you're not to indict a sitting president, and you can disagree with it, and i tend to disagree, but give whan is at stake you want to be on sound footing. you don't want to bring a case against someone taking a minority view and that is against the justice department. it is an open question and you can be aggressive. i, as a sitting u.s. attorney, who was aggressive, some people thought overly so. and also independent, i would not bring such a case -- i would certainly not it out of the blue without talking to anyone, and i

don't think i would do it in connection of what it looks like they have been looking at. it is a reasonable doubt of a campaign fie advance violation against the president given the policy of not diindicting a president. i would not do that. >> final question is this. the president basically used bob mueller's reputation against him. and mueller sat silent, how damaging has if been to the image of the justice department? >> it has been damaging because the president has the largest loudest microphone on earth. and he also has message discipline. maybe not enough complexion

thought to have multiple messages, but it is very effective. he says 13 angry democrats, he sa says hoax, he says witch hunt. he used bob mueller's integrity against him. in some ways he masterfully used the lack of integrity around the people -- he has lying and cheating skocoundrals around hi. and he has these chess moves that you scratch your head at and it seems to work. >> i'm curious have you at all, oh, changed the way you tweet about him at times? do you fear your attacks on him can unfairly get used to feed

his conspiracy theory about the justice department? >> i don't think so, i think twit sere a place to have a little fun and this idea, i find it very bizarre, this idea that you have criticism of ordinary citizens, sometimes in a angry way, i have had some that i regretted, but when the president of the united states himself who commands the nuclear arsenal, controls the troops, the justice department, everything in this country and he is supposed to be the leader of all of us, and tweets about his businesses and atulssaults people on twitter by name, what he never constrains himself on is laughable. >> i have a more important reason to follow you, you're just kind of funny, i'm sorry we

didn't get a chance to -- i think we could out dad hor each other if we had to. >> you're wrong. >> he is one punny man, congratulations on the book "doing justice." i'm sure it is doing well at this point. i bet well see you on tv a lot in about 24 hours we think. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, chuck. >> coming up as the mueller investigation may be wrapping up, congressional investigations will be heating up, do they matter post mueller report? some things are out of

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chance to comply with their information and then we will probably see subpoenas. they're looking into jared kushner's use of what's app. the committee is also looking into the e-mail accounts, and then there is jerry nadler that had 81 entities, and tens of thousands of documents and that is before any subpoenas have been issued. what will the democratic lead investigations look like after we hear from mr. mueller. >> kimberly atkins joining us, and a former senior advisor to the hillary clinton campaign. welcome all to the big table. kacie, these congressional investigations, how small do

they look if mueller's report hits tomorrow? >> how small do they look? >> well i think it depends on what the mueller report says. i think in the event that it does not churn out to be this big game changing thing that democrats set it up as. every time you ask them about impeachment, it's like let mueller make his report, they do risk having all of these small things look like shower grapes, but i think others have been clear enough they have running room. >> so you think her taking impeachment off made it easier? >> i did i think it makes it more clear that this is in fact about -- imagine if any of this

happened under president obama, remember how republicans treated benghazi for example, right? >> the mueller investigation was meant to see if any crimes were committed. the house has a oversight and investigative role. i think if it was framed in that way it gives them a lot of room. they can just say look, we're getting to the bottom of what happened, this is us exercising our authority, and that is what we have been doing moving forward. >> so with the political fallout, what do you do? i think it is absurd for us to try at some point, right?

we heard rumors there could be seven unsealed indictments, or we get nothing and one sentence thing. but matthew, this was in the associated press. trump and his allied are trying ing -- they are painting the special council's example of overreach saying it is absurd. it would be a very trumpian thing to do. >> absolutely. it depends on what the report says when the is released. i wonder how many times we can say i don't know. we speak in different languages -- >> i will say it, we don't know, and it is speculation at this point. and once that report comes, i think -- >> right. we should plaster it on our

foreheads, but i think it will change the calculations no matter what, it could change the calculations about impeachment. i can see the pro impeachment caucus, saying mueller, there is something in the mueller report, and we need to impeach right away. i could see them saying this is fascinating, we do need another look. or they could say enough about mueller, these 81 entities, that's the real story. >> right, right. >> what do the presidential campaigns want? >> i think the presidential campaigns, i think it is a mix. i think some want to focus on the issues. i think there are some that are appealing to the far left that would like to see the left be

riled up but they managing expectations about what could come out. >> you think they managed expectations? >> maybe not the base, but the leadership. i think those with expectations making it very clear. what we have seen so far has been very, very damaging to the administration. >> what do house democrats really want to do with this. >> with the mueller report? >> do they want this or not? >> i think, it depends on who you ask sk. >> i though i a certain extent, when you heard him say it wasn't worth it, you could see him

being visibly torn. they don't want to be caught flat footed, and there is a history making aspect in that happens, however he is also very close to nancy pelosi and her leadership team is on the same page, and the standard in many ways, they know if they impeach him and he stays in office -- >> is that a fair way to go about this. that he may have committed crimes? >> i they is the balance that she has to maintain here, sfliegt they do want impeachment and they're not going to go away. >> they want the president out of office. >> and that is the question, right?

sometimes there is a misperception. i think there is a degree of our base that means she forced out of office and that is not necessarily the case. >> i was on iowa, and it is anecdotal, and they don't bring up mueller when they talk about impeachment. >> and we're to close 2020, and there is a better focus at beating him at the poles, in a way that would not be in question, and focus less on what comes out of the mueller report. >> you know there are a group of people that say if it is really bad i'm chumping in, is that good politics? >> i think trump insulated himself from a primary challenge. pelosi is in the same position as boehner was. she has pressure from her left just like boehner had pressure from his right. and it is the bernie sander

left, and they have dominated head loo headlines in the first faze in congress. the report might get people like omar off of the headlines for awhile, but if they fail to impeach him, they will be disappointed. the par think have to worry about it. >> her party is far smaller than john boehner's problem was. that tea party class most were tea partiers. >> look at the candidates on the pump -- >> how many moderate women in the direct party in sue buburba seats flipped -- >> you can tell where the party is headed intellectually if is court backing, eliminating private insurance, getting rid of the electoral college, that is where the energy is, if any,

that base doesn't see something, maybe not now, just like the tea party, didn't see any action -- >> that is a question, those that feel like they didn't do enough. >> i don't think that is entirely fair. i think there is a portion of the base that wants to reverse the status quo, that wants to challenge the systems, but that is not the entire democratic party. they want to see trump get out of office, they don't want to see big huge reforms. >> and i think they like the discussion of these ideas and are not planning on throwing out the bums if they are not implemented. they want a more progressive agenda, but not necessarily the same. >> is it od that not a single presidential candidate is not running on impeachment. couldn't you stand out by doing that right now. there is a climate change guy, everybody has a thing, nobody grabbed "i'm going to be

impeachment guy. >> it makes no sense. >> it is conventional wisdom? >> i'm talking about as far as energy. >> you become that. >> you would light up republicans if you run on impeachment. look what happened in the lead up to the midterm elections. you talk to someone like bob corker who is paying attention to his seat. i interviewed him. i spoke with him privately. they all saw it. they had a shot until republicans looked up and said i'm a republican and this issy. if they go after trump on impeachment in 2020, and it is the sole reason, the democratic thinking is they will light up that same fee nphenomenon. >> okay, we will see, we're going to pause here, coming up, do you know this man? you should, he has been running of president for eight months. plus, as the u.s. grapples

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so why haven't the democrats given him a serious look? congressman delaney is joining me now. >> let me ask that simple question. why do you feel like it has been difficult for you to gain jackson? compared to what we have seen. >> we think we have gained traction foe kugs on just iowa and new hampshire. i think i'm the right person for the job, i think i have a great vision, great policy ideas and big ideas, but not enough people know who i was or still don't know who i am. and i tried to solve that by getting in early to focus on iowa and new hampshire which we have done. in those states we have high name id and i think we're doing well. >> i want to play an ad you have been running in iowa. >> it's true, we openly admit it, john delaney said a dirty

word in davenport, and then reported it in des moines, and sioux city, too, he has been saying it all across the state, unabashedly telling people he is a firm believer in, well -- >> bipartisan. >> that's a good ad. >> i thought you would like that. >> could it be there is a democratic party this year that is not listening to bipartisan. as much as they may like you, that is a great general election message, but these democrats, man, they want something else, they're hungry for something else. >> they want someone that can beat trump that is the number one criteria. >> i think is the most important thing. i think it does matter to primary voters. and someone that can build the

big tent and get people together, can win. what most americans are frustrated about is how we don't do anything. and it affects them. we dealt with climate change 12 years ago. we should have built infrastructure, we should have digital privacy, and they're concerned that we're not doing any of these things. they know that we get them done by bringing people together, rolling up your sleeves -- >> that's the howard schultz candidacy, he thought he could not sell a centrist message. you still believe you can sell a centrist message, why ask he wrong? >> my policies are different. i have a plan for universal health care.

>> i my plan could create everyone from one their born to when they're 65, rolls medicare into that, allows a tax credit, and gets supplementals. >> so you would throw out obama care? >> the first thing i would do in my first 100 days is improve the affordable care act. so that you get done right away, that helps the american people -- >> you improve it and then change it. >> then you start a conversation about what i think of is obama care 2.0. so i'm talking about universal expansion and giving people options. >> you want the framework to stay in place, is that fair? you want to figure it out via the framework that the affordable care act started. >> yes, that is the right way to think about it. this is what you have to remember, medicaid pays 80% of

costs, medicare pays 90%. if the government was the only payer like in the payer propos l proposa proposals. they have quality access for the american people. that st why that proposal is not as. >> what about the statement earlier on in the campaign, saying no billionaire should self fund their campaign. >> you're self funding. >> partially. >> and you're not a billionaire. were you personally offended by that? >> i think it was a self serving comment, right? i think the american people are fine with people investing in their own campaigns. i started my two businesses from scratch, my dad was an electrician, my parents didn't go to college. i'm very proud of my businesses in the communities, they were

successful. i was good at being an entrepreneur, and i'm investing in my desire to serve the country and make a difference in people's lives. most americans are totally fine with that. >> and the issue of income inequality, do you feel like you're listened to on this? this is a huge, this is an animating issue in the primary. >> i do, i feel like i have real plans. and i think people view me as someone that understands the private economy, and if you want to create more opportunity for the average american, right, you have to understand how private economy works, are you concerned -- is it fair to say there is a debate about capitalism in the democratic party? is that fair or is there hype? >> i think there is a debate occurring. i think it is a waste of time to some extent, in many ways we're a capitalist country.

but that has been the genius of this country if subpoena a false choice in my judgment. >> i can't play this, your ad, where you're trying to make the debate stage, you need 65,000 unique doe nnors, you're offeri people $2 to a charity of their choice for every $1 they donate. >> i could hire a bunch of digital marketing firms and pay them to do it or i can go to the american people and say give public highway dollar and i will give $2 in your name to the charity of their choice and we give 11 or 12 charities to choose from.

most people think is great. >> there is a whole new ad service out there pitching this new way. >> john dedelaney, i don't know what happened before the interview, we'll have to see if maryland hung on in the tournament. thank you, sir. >> up ahead, biden's campaign has a big problem on their hands and it's not even an official campaign yet. and why it is time to give november a hefty dose of march madness. hefty dose of march madness. ♪ ♪hold on, i'm comin' ♪hold on, i'm comin' ♪hold on don't you worry,♪ ♪i'm comin' ♪here we come, hold on♪ ♪we're about to save you i'm comin', yeah♪ ♪hold on don't you worry,♪ ♪i'm comin'

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gate, i don't know how else to describe it, adrian, i'll start with you. why hasn't john delaney gotten traction? a 2004 version of john delaney would probably be at 12% in iowa already. >> it's a good question. i think a lot of it probably has to do with the team he's built around him and his strategy. he should be getting more traction. i also think it's a creative idea he has in terms of trying to make sure he gets on the debate stage. that's an idea that many other democratic candidates right now are facing. especially some of those that are polling around 1%. how i do make sure i poll at 1% in three polls and how am i going to make sure that i raise 65,000, you know, unique donors in small increments in order to make the debate stage. he's got a smart strategy and maybe he'll start picking up traction if he makes the debate stage. >> beto o'rourke, pete bhas gotten some traction.

i was struck by the fact that he showed you a television ad. trump proved we live in a different media environment. if you look at the candidates on the democratic side that are doing well, beto, bernie, they have a huge social media celebrity -- >> they've become celebrity -- >> used to be you got the nomination you became a celebrity and it now seems to be the other way around. >> this is my beef, you run for president to become a celebrity now. >> you have to get traction somehow. you have some polls that show elizabeth warren, the big name recognition came out of the gate early with single-digit numbers in polling. it's still early. but it's just very difficult for someone to come really out of nowhere and push forward without something that grabs a lot of attention. that's why beto is standing on tables and doing other things. >> this is transition to the joe biden situation.

this idea, obviously, they're trying, i think to try to put this idea back in the tube. this idea of naming stacey abrams as a running mate. bit does seem to me, kasie that the biden people are worrying about the right things. they know he's got the excitement issue or the youth issue, whatever you want to call it, they know there's going to be a lot of -- they're worried that day one is going to be his best day and they're trying to figure out how to mitigate that. on one hand, they're self-aware, but this now looks very weak. >> i think, chuck, that you're right on the one hand. this is a team that's been with biden for a long time and they know him well. they know his strengths, they know his weaknesses. and they are trying to manage for them. however, i do think in the past couple of weeks, it has presented as the old way of running a presidential campaign, with a brain trust of people who have been in the business for a long time, who float trial balloons, who talk to reporters behind the scenes, and you know, what people are demanding right now is authenticity. and joe biden the man, he's got that in spades. but you can lose it behind a

campaign apparatus very quickly. and one of the things that bernie sanders did very effectively was present himself exactly as he was, and every single way in which he communicated with the people who supported him was reflective of that. so i think there could potentially be a disconnect there. >> kimberly atkins, if you need stacey abrams to provide the excitement, isn't the move, he should be offering to be hrunnig mate? >> i think that's why this is a big issue and that's why this landed as a thud. why is it that joe biden is floating this idea as if she would want to be pigeonholed next to him? why is he sort of -- is this a gimmick? is this being patronizing, thinking, you know, because i am an older white guy who has issues, some baggage around criminal justice reform, around the clarence thomas hearings with anita hill that if i, you know, have this young, progressive black woman by my side, that that erases those problems? it just seems very tone deaf in the way he rolled it out.

>> adrian? >> no, i completely agree with kimberly. i think we are living in unconventional times and that also plays to politics or politics is defining the unconventionality of our times. so i think that joe biden could very easily come out of the gate with someone like stacey abrams and it could be a very effective strategy, but at the same time, i don't think that his team has handled this very well. i think there are some leaks that they probably were not expecting to happen. and stacey abrams is a star on her own. she could arguably jump into this presidential race and perform better than joe biden right now. >> matthew, that's a part of this that just comes across as indecisive. and that's not good in a commander in chief. >> biden's aides are making his points for him. first, we had, he can't raise the grassroots money that bernie and beto have. then we have, oh, well, hep doesn't get the enthusiasm with young people and people of color, so we're going to come out of the gate with stacey

abrams as our running mate. if hep wants to be president, he should ignore the chatter in d.c., which is talking about all the reasons why he's going to have trouble, and make an affirmative case for his candidacy. he's not done that. >> shouldn't he just show up in the scooby van in council bluffs without anybody noticing? that's what he ought to do. >> as long as he shows up to chipotle. >> a pontiac, not a scooby van. >> it better be the transam, actually. but that's what it feels like. you have to shock the system. do something that you're not used to somebody like him doing. >> if you think about how he's gone about this, he's absorbing all that chatter. >> he spends too much time -- >> it gets in your head. >> very quickly, i've got to show you pandering things. if you wonder, is larry hogan running for president? his final is maryland versus iowa. and if you're wondering if michael bennet is running for president, he has both iowa and

iowa state out in the first round. so hogan full on panders to iowa. michael bennet going, hey, no pander. just throwing it out there. or maybe michael bennet is not running. >> i have two words for you, chuck. >> yeah? >> go blue. >> i want on all acc final four. that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. >> was that go blue a michigan reference? >> yes, it was! it was a michigan reference. >> chuck said the worst things about michigan off-camera, ari. >> no, i didn't. >> i just said, it's not the um. when you say um, there's only one um and it's down in coral gables. >> we say um in ann arbor. >> now i'm getting ganged on by you millennial michiganders. good-bye. >> bye, chuck. democrats now