budget for special olympics for two days and this is crazy to me. >> cable television devoted more time to jussie smollett than the special olympics case. >> in defense of cable television, that was not true yesterday. when out this lineup tonight. 6:00 on "the beat" senator kirsten gillibrand. at 7:00 "hardball" senator elizabeth warren stops by, followed auto8:00 amy klobuchar on "all in." "mtp daily" starts right now can katy tur. >> the president was just on the white house south lawn and asked about funding the special olympics and he say it's will be funded. >> we just covered that, a little good news. nicolle wallace, thank you so much, if it is thursday, it is a whole new ball game.

>> good evening, i'm katie nur for chuck todd. the president is on his way to grand rapids, michigan. he just opportunity toed some findings as he left joint base andrews. we don't know what is actually in the mueller report, but that is not holding the president or his allies in congress from using it as a way to exact vengeance on his political enmys starting with the democratic chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff. >> she a bad guy because he knew he was lying, she not a dummy, i heard he should be forced off of the chair, he should be forced out of office. >> does adam schiff truly believe he knows something more than mueller? he needs to resign from the committee. >> we have no faith in your

ability to discharge your duties and urge your immediate resignation. >> that last republican was congressman mike conaway. schiff fired back with a show of emotion that we rarely if ever have seen from him. >> you might think it is okay that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information to that russian oligarch, you might this it is okay, i don't think is okay. the president himself called on russia to hack his opponents e-mails if they're listening, are you may think it is okay that later that day the russians attempted to hack a server affiliated with that campaign, i don't think that is okay. you might say that's all okay. you might say that's just what you need to do to win.

but i don't think it is okay, i think it is immoral, unethical, unpatriotic, and corrupt and evidence of collusion. i don't think that conduct, criminal or not, is okay. and the day we do think that is okay, that is the day we will look back and say that is the day that america lost it's way. i don't think it is okay that during a presidential campaign mr. trump sought the kremlin's help to consummate a deal in moscow that would make him a fortune, hundreds of millions of dollars, i don't think it is okay that he concealed it from the public. i don't think it is okay that he had a favorable policy from the russians even as he was seeking the russians and the kremlin's help to make money. i don't think is okay that his attorney lied to our committee.

it is called compromise, and that is the subject of our hearing today. >> joining me now is matt miller, former department of justice spokesman who knows about how the d.o.j. operates. susan del persio, and eddie glann, an msnbc contributor. matt miller what did you think of that adam schiff. >> you know the president and his allies like to talk about how he was a counter puncher. that was quite a counter punch. it was so effective it reminds anyone watching what the republicans on the committee did for the past two years which is not only make excuses for all of the conduct he ticked through, but also trying to throw sand in the gears of the investigations being conducted by the special council and to try to attack the justice department, release documents about the justice

department to undermine the credibility of that investigation. it is unfortunate to see them act that way. they didn't have to. you just have to look at the senate where the senate intelligence committee has conducted thorough dignified investigations trying to get real answers instead of whitewashing the president's actions, and i think the reason he has to conduct this investigation now is the republicans when they had control of the house didn't do anything for two years. >> gabe, what do you think? >> that is right, i think it is telling here that the president is calling for his resignation because this is conceded by some of his allies. he would like all of the democrats in congress to resign if they had his way. he has been a formidable opponent for these investigations, but i think his passionate response was appropriate in the eyes of a

loet of democrlot of democrats. they were frustrated that they were taking this victory lap as president trump is presumably going to do tonight, and they have not figured out how to count near in a forceful manner. >> so they're saying everything that the president has done in the last two years is fine? >> this is so troubling on so many levels. we have to go back to what chairman yates did in taking down the intelligence committee to such a partisan level. he destroyed that and it looks like the president is continuing to want to see that political play in the intelligence community committee. i think what is also very disturbing is that all nine reasons signed on to that calling for schiff to resign. that i just -- i don't understand these are two republicans i thought were

really trying to make change. >> does that mean they're signing on to the president's behavior? >> i think it is worse than that. i think they're signing up to destroy one of the most important committees we have in our country and our government. they sign on to destroy it. it is supposed to be bipartisan. even if you don't like a particular hearing at a particular time, you're supposed to do your job. this country's security goes through that committee. it is beyond horrible and it should be -- politics should stop and the fact that donald trump signed into it and that the republican members agreed and sign on to that letter shows just how depleted we are. our government is. >> what is interesting is speaker pelosi came out to support adam schiff. although the muller report,

whatever it saying, it has closed the collusion question, the issue about the counter intelligence investigation, whether or not she compromised is still a question. what he laid out in that particular monologue there is that case. and it seems they just gave voice to the fact that they -- >> and i just believe he will be trying to do the job. >>. >> we're going to see the muller report in some form in weeks from now. according to the department of justice. we don't know what fork that will take, what are the democrats doing with that once they have that? say bill barr's summary is correct. there was no conspiracy and there was questions of obstruction. the democrats pursue obstruction for impeachment? what do they do?

>> i think it is clear they will not pursue impeachment unless they see clear evidence that can get to that point, but the democrats have subpoena power, they have control of the house and they made clear that just because the mueller investigation is over that doesn't mean their informatio investigations are over and that was a point that schiff was making and jerry nadler has been making over and over. we're going to continue to hold hearings and bring people in for questioning. the fact that mueller is done may be a big deal, but folks are saying we're still going here. >> lindsey graham wants to investigate how the whole investigation got started, lester holt asked james comey about that, asked why they started this investigation, here is what he said. >> close your eyes, change the names, let me make one up for you, the iranians interfere in the election to help elect barack obama because they think they'll get a better noouk lucl

deal from him, and during that election an obama aide meets with the iranians to talk about the dirt to help get him elects and the fbi finds out about that. we should not investigate that? and then the nation nalg security advisor lies about the contact with the iranians, and president obama asked me to drop an investigation of that and then fires me and says i was thinking of the iranian thing and then he invites them to the oval office and say that fbi director was a nut job. who doesn't think the fbi should investigate that, the hypocrisy is revealed by changing the names. what do you say to that? >> yeah, you just have to think back to the clinton e-mail investigation was about her using a private e-mail server which seems pretty quaint compared to what the director just laid out about the president and what happened at

the end oaf that investigation. the director of the fbi was dragged up to the hill two days after his press conference and in two days released all of the under lying evidence to congress. thoo was all of the republicans insistence. then after an investigation that lead to six members of the president's inner circle going to jail. i would say one thing about the president's complaints about this, if he is concerned about the length of time it went on, and the seriousness they brought to it, he only has himself to blame. let's remember this investigation went on for ten months, he was not a subject of the investigation at that time. it was because of his actions, firing the fbi director after he asked him to back off and comey refused that he became a personal subject of the fbi investigation, if he staid out of the investigation, i expect it would have been closed a long time before now. >> how did we get here to the

point where there is a call to investigate the investigators on opening the investigation whether or not trying to figure out if they attacked, and whether or not they received help. at one point did it switch over to this is a partisan witch hunt? >> i guess when trump took over the entire party. you know as well as most americans know that this has been the line that trump has been arguing since day one. it wasn't him. something else, the other side, is actually engaged in bad behavior, right? he has been saying all along that the obama administration tapped his phone. that hillary clinton and the hillary clinton campaign did x, y, and z. now that narrative line has

become the narrative line of the republican party. i'm reminded of a phrase the first time around is tragedy, the second time around is farce. >> is there something larger about how the investigation was spoken about, how it was reported on, there was a point where it was all presumed that mueller would find conspiracy by certain people out there that it forced, it forced republicans and democrats into a defensive crouch. is that unfair of know ask in. >> let's not forget it started the october before the president was elected when he started to go after the pillars of our dc -- democracy, the election system, and he said it is all rigged. >> and he never game up on that mantra. he created an environment for a lot of primaries in 2018, if

you're not with him he will be against you. so i think it is a lack of a lot of republicans not having a backbo backbone, too concerned about their own jobs, they thought they had to fall in line, unfortunately, this. and you have to report everything. the president of the united states starts to call something a witch hunt, of course media outlets must report that. if he lies he can say it is lies. >> we have not seen a single sentence yet. a full sentence yet from the mueller yet. >> we have to keep in mind that i'm not sure that the public really understands that. the way we're still talking about it, it is no collusion,

but that is what the president wants, and we should be clear about this, it is not just that the republican party has been on the president's side from the start here, it's that the entire conservative media world, it is because they have been talking about it, they got started very early on after mueller was reported. >> i was on trump since june of 2015, and the way they transformed into the party of trump is one of the most remarkable things i have seen with my own eyes, it is remarkable the way they coale e coalesced around him given how wearing and nervous they were about him in the beginning. matt miller thank you so much. up next we could be heading for a major confrontation between house democrats and attorney

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i just want to get it right now. call today. comcast business. beyond fast. welcome back, we learned today that the final mueller report is over 300 pages, but but still don't know what is in it or if it will be released to to 9 general public. chairman nadler will not meet the april second deadline, and now they say it is unlikely he will comply with demands. let alone the evidence that backs it up. this means we could see a war between house democrats and the justice department in five days,

sources tell nbc news they will flush out findings next week. he says attorney general barr's spark notes, he wants to see the whole report. so committee chairman nadler said it is unlikely they will meet the april second deadline to see the full unredacted report, what is the next step. >> thanks, katy for having me. the next step is to first ask why not. we had a unanimous vote in the house to deliver the entire milmil mueller report. he said he will be fine without the delivery of the mueller report. we should not have to rely on a summary by the guy who

auditioned on the part of the attorney general by questioning mueller's investigation. we ought to see the entire report and all of the evidence. that is the job that we have to do in order to provide oversight of this administration. and the bar team ought to com y comply. >> do you think should be a subpoena? >> absolutely, it is not that hard, we have a report that is hundreds of pages long. if you take a step back and remember where we are, the result of this investigation, and i have said this for months, if nothing else happened welcome the people closest to the president in the campaign, half a dozen of them have done to jail or on their way to jail. we have uncovered lots of other information and when it comes to the issue of obstruction of

justice, even the attorney general told us that after completing this lengthy two year investigation the attorney general took two days do suicide something that mueller himself could not decide which is that the president should not be son rated on the charges of obstruction of justice. we need to see the full report. >> we did get a heads up aworlding to own own reporting that it would be an open question in the final report. do you believe he was hired specifically, nominated by the president to write a report like we saw on sunday. >> it is now finished and should be delivered to the house of representatives to do our work. and if they don't it looks like

there is just something they don't want us to see, it is not that difficult for him to comply and show us what we want to know, and on behalf of the american people question explore everything uncovered in a two-year investigation instead of relying on the attorney general that had a couple days to conduct the investigation. >> since he could face the issue of obstruction, we don't know what we will see, but if it leaves it open and it does not indicate who will make that decision, do you think you need so see robert mueller in front of your committee to ask him that directly?

>> especially if the attorney general continues to block delivery of report. if that entails having robert mueller come to us, that is something that we certainly have to consider. we have the issue of obstruction of justice, and on russia, let's be clear, we have a responsibility. there is a not in judiciary that i serve on to look into everything that obstruction went on. this is not just something in the campaign, it is a question of the behavior of the president. why he continues to do things that satisfy the russians, why won't they deliver any information about the secret

talks. and it also aids russia. there is so much in this report, and this stone walling to prevent us to do it is just not acceptable. >> when you get the report what is the next step. what is the remedy for all of the question that's you have? say it lays out that the president has a affinity towards russia, say it is because of a business deal, i don't know what is in that report, but say there are things that make you uncomfortable in there, what is the remedy? >> i don't know, i don't know what remedy there is, the goal is to provide facts for the american people, if the remedy is to simply explain to the american people what it is that robert mueller uncovered in two years of an investigation, i

truth the american people well enough to hand that information over to them and let them figure out what kinds of collusions they should draw. all of that is happening while the president pivots away from the report. and he has a discussion about how he wants to take access to health care away. they look at the president, nay look at the decisions he makes, wonders why he makes them, and whether or not it is trying to repeal the affordable care act, or do damage to $50 million people, or playing right into vladimir putin's hands, i think it is not too much to ask to get every piece of information that might shed light into why the president makes these decisions when they seem so contrary to what the american people need and want. >> congressman ted deutsch of

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is a terrific health care person, they're going to work together, come up with something really spectacular, and maybe we'll even get support from democrats, we're working on a plan now, there is no great rush -- >> welcome back that was president trump just moments ago saying he is not in a hurry to replace the affordable care act despite ed administration strikg down a law. he may need a replacement plan and in an selectielection year. with me now, mark lawder, director of strategic communications for the trump 2020 campaign. >> is this the issue you want to be running on in 2020? >> it is something the president

has talked about since 2016 campaign. we need to eliminate obama care, rising premiums and deductibles, and doing about something about the cost of prescription drugs. a lot of the action they have taken so far has been on the regulatory side. if we can get the courts to continue through propercess and elimina eliminate obama care. >> you're right, donald trump did run on it in 2015 and 2016, democrats ha republicans have tried about 70 times to repeal it, still no plan to replace it, with no plan in the last 20 years. >> we came one vote short of getting something done, it was very close, this is an opportunity.

you heard the president said he would ask a number of senate leaders including rick scott, who have experience dealing with state plans and state associations, because so much of this is done at a state level. so this is his expertise to bear. we'll see what he can come up with. we have some appeal court process, it will go to the united states supreme court and that will put the deadline to get something done. >> why is the president not leading the way on this issue? >> i think she leading by laying out the pram tee parameters. >> he was clear in 2018 and 2019 and he has been clear for many years and republicans still didn't pass anything, so why does he feel like suddenly it is a winning and better issue for

him in 2020. >> if question come up with a plan to lower premiums lower high deductibles, and provide better access to what is out there. we saw the first drop in prescription drug prices on average in 46 years, they're doing things like opening up association health care plan sos they can lower cost, provide better coverage to their employees, so if we can build off of that success, we should be able to help wet those that are insured. >> when you look at 2018 and how democrats ran on health care and took lack the house in a la

landslide, aren't you a little nervous? >> no, you have the democrats. >> if it staid did, it allowed for premiums that could skyrocket and make that begun unaffordable. >> and they have seen their premiums skyrocket. >> only 2% to 4% have seen their premiums skyrocket. that is 2% to 5%, the rest are being subsidized. they have medicare, medicaid, that is a something number, why not work in the parameters of what exists to lower those premiums for people instead of cutting it entirely. >> i'm not a health care expert,

so i can't get into some of the finer points, but we know we can do this in the private system, but democrats are out there saying they want to take 180 million people's private insurance away and give them some government insuranc that. >> many of the leading candidates are saying that, i don't like going to the dmv, why would i want to wait for a government bureaucrat to make my health care decisions. >> the republicans have run repeatedly on repealing and replacing it and still there is no plan to replace it, when you say listen, trust us, we'll have a great plan but you have nothing to show for it, i don't understand why you expect to get that trust back especially after what you saw in 2018 with what happened in the house.

again, we were one vote short, they can build on that, they can use their expertise. we have a larger majority now than we did back then. >> but you don't have the house. >> let's work with the house, if the senate can pass something, and you have a deadline now facing the congress because the sprem court eliminated obama care, there is a deadline for congress act, and things in washington usually get done when they face a deadline. >> what do you say to susan collins who is not happy about this? >> i would say work with us to see what we can do to find a way to get a plan with a vote. i would also say we have a larger majority now than we did in 2018, senator mccowsky and

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>> i didn't personally -- >> let's not use disabled children in a twisted way for your political narrative, that is disgusting and shameful. >> devos who spent days defending the funding cut just released a daytime welcoming the reversal saying i'm pleased and grateful the president and i see eye to eye on this issue and that he has decided to fund our special olympics grant in is funding i have fought for behind the scenes over the last several years. we'll be right back with more mtp daily. back with more mtp daily. "wow"] ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop drop say oh my drop drop drop ♪ ♪ make u say oh my god my drop drop ♪ ♪ make you're jaw drop make u say oh my god ♪

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there is no plan, it seems like the plan is to get the courts to tear down obama care, tear down the senate, and hold a gun to the house's head to tell them they have to work with the republicans on a new plan. >> i have never seen democrats on capitol hill happier in the last two years. basically because it's not just when they talk about health care they win, it is when they're not able to talk about health care being potentially threatened by those in power, that's how they win and that is exactly what is happening here. >> obama care was not popular when it was passed, it is popular now, republicans did everything they could to tear it down, it is still working reasonably well despite that. >> and it is part of the fabric of our whole health care system, not just the policies, but hospitals and doctors, it is threaded throughout. now are there fixes? are there things that could be

done? absolutely. i said this earlier, if they -- if you repeal it they will revolt. >> why won't republicans say look, we didn't like it to begin with, it's popular party that comes in and makes it work beautifully. >> they never saw this coming. the president didn't give them a single heads up. i don't think he thought, well, if i make this announcement on health care what will my republican colleagues think? he thought let me just throw it out there. >> why doesn't trump say i don't like that it's called obamacare. >> two words came to mind as i was listening to that interview. irresponsible and stupid. >> that's it? that's all you got. >> that's all you get. it doesn't make any sense to me. it's so -- not only is it irresponsible. not only does it reveal, i think, a lack of deep reflection. it also seems to katy, that they have a heart that's like

hammered iron, right? it's just cold. >> you mean the policy, not the person. >> the policy -- >> to be clear. >> although it's often difficult. it's often difficult not to draw a conclusion about the person who embraces the policy. >> i think it's also a knee-jerk reaction. >> mark is in a position where he has to -- he's on the 2020 re-election campaign. he's in a position he's got to try and sell what the president is selling. >> complicit. >> if you look at this from the perspective of the president and other republicans now defending him, it is a knee-jerk thing. because they have been saying as a party overall for the last ten years basically, every single time there's a little moment where they can define that moment they say repeal obamacare. it's a knee-jerk thing. an automatic reaction. we're taking them at their word this is what they'll continue to talk about. but they don't get to define the agenda in the way they want. >> this goes into a bigger picture, the trump victim tour. his campaign will be trying to portray himself as a victim

whether it be on mueller. i think he's going to say, i wanted to give you health care. the democrats got in the way. >> or john mccain got in the way. >> none of this is true, but that won't stop him. and he'll continue, i want to build the wall but the democrats won't fund it. i think that's how he's going to run this campaign because he can't run on any success. >> or to give him some credit, maybe it might be the way in which he's setting up the socialism argument. see, i put health care out there. knowing that they really aren't going to do anything, but this is a way in order to pin socialism -- >> what democrats to do is not obamacare, it's medicare for all. >> that's what mark was saying. >> if you talk to democrats about that, they -- in the hill, maybe not so thrilled with that, but the democrats running for president, the ones embracing medicare for all are like, well, that's more popular than whatever trump is talking about. >> you can talk about socialism when you talk about my child has to stop their cancer treatment or my kids can't be on my

insurance or pre-existing condition is pregnancy. that should not be a pre-existing condition. when you start saying how this is going to in actuality affect you, you can talk about socialism all you want but losing your health care or losing your insurance for your children, that hits home. >> i'm surprised it doesn't make him more nervous after what happened in 2018 with the democrats in the house. >> reality is here he has a short memory about that. and president trump declared victory after the midterms, even though they lost pretty historically. so i think -- >> and hethe ticket. >> there's a lot of evidence here over the last ten years as championed, really does run out when it comes to health care because this is what matters to real people at home. and that's something they're going to find out quickly. >> maybe we should stop trying to think about it as a reasonable course of action. >> i was talking to angus king today. how is susan collins going to react to this because she is somebody who is up for re-election in 2020. she already has a target on her

back of sorts. and he said he wanted a fourth of july parade and people were walking up to her and saying, i really -- not like happy, happy fourth of july, not anything about patriotism, but more about i am really worried about my health care. i'm really worried about -- it is a bread and butter issue for people, and it's one that democrats have proven that they at least for now have a better handle on than republicans. >> if you look at the way the senate map is working out this cycle, there are opportunities for republicans to go on offense. if you're susan collins, she's already said, are you serious? you're doing this right now? >> cory gardner of colorado. >> he's got to be waking up saying my seat is gone. >> yet he took the vote on the -- >> emergency. >> the emergency vote because he wanted to avoid a primary. susan collins is already getting a primary. so there's primaries and general elections. >> there is indeed. gabe, susan and eddie. we've got a lot of it ahead of us. and ahead, just ahead, a

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control room, that's enough. allegedly this is a real thing in st. louis, missouri. but i'm not buying that bagel none confirmist guy. st. louis is a fine city with a fine arch. don't try to take it down. and if you cut your bagels vertically, what else do you do? do you make your cold cut sandwiches with a whole loaf of bread? we missed that shot. do you drink your breakfast cereal out of a pitcher? do you fold a full-size pizza over and over into small triangles and then stick it into a juicer? do you make pb & js using the same knife without cleaning it so they cross-contaminate each other's jars? how do you sleep at night? i implore all you carbohydrate iconoclasts. cut your bagel horizontally the way you know you should.

let's put an end once and for all to this schmear campaign. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "the beat with ari melber" starts right now. >> i haven't tried it but i was intrigued by that type of slicing. >> oh, stop, really? don't say that. >> i saw it. haven't tried it. and it's one way to do it. >> no, no, no, no. and also, like bagel chips, if you'll do bagel chips, there's an argument they could potentially be sliced that way. bagel chips need to be sliced horizontally as well. ari melber, no. >> katy tur, i'm glad we had this chance to talk. >> me, too. see you later. we have a lot in "the beat." a mueller witness breaking his silence here. person number 2 who bob mueller identified as a victim of alleged obstruction by longtime