>> "morning joe," everybody, starts right now. >> i'm so proud of the work of chairman adam schiff in stark run with us. contrast to the almost criminal on a john deere x300 series mower. behavior of the previous chairman of the committee. so what is the president afraid because seasons may change... of, that he's afraid of the ♪ truth, that he would go after a member, a chairman of a ...but true character doesn't. committee, a respected chairman of a committee in the congress? ♪ i think they're just scaredy wow, you've outdone yourself this time. hey, what're neighbors for? cats. >> little pencil neck adam it's beautiful. nothing runs like a deere™. run with us. save $200 on x330 and x350 schiff, has got the smallest, select series lawn tractors. at participating john deere dealers. thinnest neck i've ever seen. he is not a long ball hitter. but i saw him today. well, we don't really know, there could still have been some russia collusion.

>> okay. >> that guy's talking about physical problems? >> it's high school. >> no, seriously. have you seen that guy golfing, like in a golf shirt? like not, i mean, who knows, maybe schiff's not a -- >> he picks it up and puts it in the hole. that's how he plays golf. >> maybe schiff's not a long ball hitter, but the president, he can't even run the five-yard dash. he'd be wheezing by the time he took the second step. >> as we'll hear, congressman adam schiff is perfectly kachable of kach ab -- capable of defending himself but he did get the backing yesterday of robert mueller. and there's still plenty left to vet and there's also the southern district of new york. but that's long off. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." and after three years of it is friday, march 29th. lies and smears and slander, the with us, we have renowned ad man russia hoax is finally dead.

the collusion delusion is over. donny deutsch, susan del percio total exoneration, complete is with us, msnbc contributor vindication, you know, it's jonathan capehart joins us and interesting, robber mueller was expert columnist at "usa today" a god to the democrats. and author of "the death of was a god to them until he said there was no collusion. they don't like him so much expertise" tom nichols and from right now. the associated press, jonathan >> so you had donald trump last night in michigan. lemire is with us as well. just -- i mean, going full >> tom, i always talk about my trump, but he's sitting in a state where a poll came out that favorite quote from paul simon shows he's got 31% re-elect. who said "in politics sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you is that why the president's win." amping it up even more or does i find it quite striking that the president actually think the republicans have overreached he's in a good position right and actually even after that now? letter appear to be so desperate >> well, we're in palm beach that they're swinging wildly, with the president but last making personal attacks, trying night we were in grand rapids which his campaign knows that to draw up enemies lists for michigan is one of those states

in the belt that he barely won reporters. i've got to say, i sense they're from the democrats last time and really needs to put a lot of actually for some strange reason emphasis on there again so it's the ones back on their heels the first of many trips there. because as adam schiff showed and they're aware of their yesterday and we will show underwater poll numbers. everybody today, donald trump and his administration still they talked about commitment he's making to the great lakes have so many improper things and so on but it was more than that they did that may not be that. it was politics in terms of 2020 illegal, but they certainly are but more than that it was an area of grievances and it was a unpatriotic. >> i think they're trying to use the period between the bar victory lap. summary because i don't refer to it as the mueller report. perhaps a premature one. all we have is the barr summary. >> okay. >> so he opened up with a fiery they're trying to use this period between the barr summary and the actual release of things that will come out of what we now know is a 300-page report to diatribe against adam schiff, against the news media, against set the narrative. the democrats and basically said the attorney general did this really very competently during to his crowd when ate it all up, it was very, very loud in there, the week where he put out four that look, they came at me. pages that had some nicely this suz a. phrased, carefully word smithed

>> translator: no-- treasonousa. explanations in there that you really had to be a lawyer or an intelligence officer to pick apart. the one or two sentences in the and what we saw is howforward. barr summary therefore mean there was no improper contact is this just a one week or two with russia ever since 1917. week victory lap where he sort of blows off steam because it's you know, i just don't -- i don't think that's going to work. i actually think some of the republicans -- i mean, the been two odd years of this president's going to say what investigation? the president says and the does he have the ability to say people at the rallies are going to believe him because that's the nature of it, but i think they're setting themselves up let's work together now on for some heartburn later because issues like infrastructure, and i think congressman schiff is absolutely right that there's a issues of drug pricing. lot more to this and there's a he gave that one sentence amid an otherwise lengthy attack on lot of things we should be his foes. >> and jonathan, it's not just uncomfortable about. >> again, it just -- it's his foes. he's taken on health care. politics 101, you don't that's absolutely chaotic on the overstate your claim, you don't hill. republicans are scrambling. mitch mcconnell basically said

i'm not helping you rebrand the oversocie oversociety. republican party as the party of they're trying to paint donald trump out to be someone who did health care. absolutely nothing wrong. we know all of the lies, we know good luck dealing with nancy all about the meetings, we know pelosi. and again, even the battle that he's chosen now puts him in the we know donald trump lying political quick sand doesn't it? >> these rallies are often a and conspiring and and we also know something else, and we'll real good window on what's on the president's mind. and health care has been his be showing these polls in a talking point the past few days but he spent about four or five little bit but the american people overwhelmingly believe minutes on health care when the rest of it was clearly settling that donald trump committed a crime and we know overwhelmingly the american people believe donald trump lied. of course he did. scores over the russia probe. and how does this impact the if the president forges forward election? well, he was in michigan last is he going to perhaps squander night and sort of a sad, sad -- which looks like now a political win. >> in the words of one house democrat, can someone pull betsy from under the bus? just a sad decline for the man. he's sitting at 31% in michigan. she spent days defending a very he only has a 3 % reelect.

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other 22% of dupes in america? we kn we know don jr. was i love it. then they lied about adoptions and donald trump gets around there, "let's figure something out" and then they put to the in stupid lie -- >> okay. >> these are very bad liars. >> but, donnie, what's your point? >> i'm going to just take a pause here for a while. i'm going to take my shirt off. this and even this.hark, i deep clean messes like this. >> smoke a cigarette. >> look at the rnc and what all because the self-cleaning brush roll removes hair, of them are doing, they're just while i clean. - [announcer] shark, humiliating themselves. the vacuum that deep cleans, now cleans itself. >> ladies and gentlemen, donny deutsch. >> joe, mika was trying to get in there. joe, to your earlier point, he should be panicked for a few

reasons. the last quarter's economic numbers. three out of four economists believe the economy is going in the wrong direction. you put up the new hampshire number, you put up the michigan number and once again, i sound like a broken record, we cannot forget the southern district. they're quiet. they are really building their case about a criminal enterprise. and we know there's no collusion, there is obstruction. so you do -- my apartments are bigger than yours, i'm smart are than you, i have more money than you, it was a pathetic little man. >> i was so embarrassed for him. the think is about barr, every day that barr allows this to drag out is a day he sets donald

trump up for a fall. did you personally approve, ksh -- that was going to basically be his personal lawyer and that's it. i think a yes or no will do, the $18 million cut of the funding not be an tong now looks kind of for the special olympics. >> no i didn't personally get what like it's sort of -- i involved. >> whoever came up with that idea gets a special gold medal mean, again, here we have for insensitivity. >> why would you cut funding for another guy that's contributed that? to this country through the >> the special olympics will be years and he's wrecking his funded. i just told my people i want to reputation because he doesn't want us to see the report that fund the special olympics and i just authorized a funding of the donald trump said he could. special olympics. i've been to the special it is very clear that the olympics. i think it's incredible and i president and is hinnion the just authorized a funding. i heard about it this morning. i have overridden my people. release and the bar summary as a branding exercise to lie to the we're funding the special olympics. >> this is not -- american people, the reported self, the one thing we know, >> my people. >> it's not the new york post, says it's not. so let's wait till we get the you can't just make up stuff and

report. >> we haven't seen the report. move around the news cycle. there's actually a process to nobody has seen the report. except we do know this, we know that the barr letter is funding and defunding and here's the least bad possibility. meaningless. he didn't know about it which is it's absolutely -- it means nothing. it was a political document impossible. >> but mika, he just told his meant to protect donald trump, people. come on. >> he just told his people. >> whenever people get to give republicans -- and to overcharged and start talking give donald trump siycophants about donald trump and saying they're all nazis, no, they're not nazis, but if they were time to spin wildly before we found out what robert mueller found out. nazis they'd be the ones from >> use the mega phone of the hogan's heroes. president scy to brand it in a . they are so incompetent. i personally, i like mr. mcgoo, but let's get to adam schiff's that comparison better but we've seen this happen time and again where donald trump makes just an work. just hours the president said absolutely terrible political th mistake, gets caught, then has to walk it back, but still has the damage lingering. that. >> it's a pretty incredible >> and always says that he was moment. all nine republican members of the intel committee you'd a totally on top of it. hearing onmi putin he -- you know, every time selection meddling tactics to

something happens, i knew that, call on schiff to step down. i got my people on it. you got to watch this. when it's clear often when he's confronted with these things watch why is he pressing on with that it's the first time he's ever heard of it. it's like when rereads his speeches and he stops and he the committee's russia says so true because he hasn't investigation? >> we have no faith of your read the speech and it's imprezzing him that someone just ability to discharge your duties told him this. but i want to make a point about and urge your resignation as the links to the special chairman of the committee. olympics and the special this is all signed by all nine committee on intelligence. members of the republican side of the committee. you know, one of the things that and i ask it be entered into the joe, our farmormer republican record in today's hearing. i yield back. >> without objection. >> i'm going to turn to our colleagues keep saying, we understand how you feel about the president, but the republican party still has a witnesses who are and instead of sound foundation, you can't just treat the republican party like addressing the hearing to simply a monolith. i think from the vote in the attack me consistent with the president's attacks, i do want to respond in this way. senate on the emergency my colleagues may think it's declaration to this really appalling motion in the intelligence committee, it's very clear that this is the okay that the russians offered president's party, that it is a

dirt on a democratic candidate for president as part of what personality driven party that was described as the russian does what donald trump wants it to do and this notion that there government's evident to help the trump campaign. are secret republican rebels you might think that's okay. my colleagues might think it's that will stand up to the president and save the party, i okay that when that was offered mean, how many times does this to the son of the president, who had a pivotal role in the have to happen before we know campaign, that the president's that's just not true? i think that's a really important takeaway from this because this isn't like previous son did not call the fabi. democratic or republican parties where you have someone in the party that will go to the president and say look, you're instead that son said he would wrong or this has to change? love to help with the russians. if the president says the moon you might think it's okay that is made out of green cheese, the he took that meeting. up might think it's okay that committee will say it is indeed and we think it's gouda or paul manafort, the campaign chair, someone with great parmesan. experience in running campaigns they will find a way to agree also took that meet persian with the president and that's why the republican party is being hollowed out. that's why they don't have much gulf. y you. of a future no matter what >> you might think it's okay happens in 2020. >> and again, i was starting to that they con seld -- concealed talk about some of the ways they've been corrupted, how

conservatism has been corrupted but again, you could talk about the largest deficits ever, the largest federal debt ever. that day, you might think it you could talk about their okay that when it was discovered a year later that they lied about that meeting and said it protectionists now. you can talk about how they've was about adoptions. turned their back on all the up might think it's okay that ideas of ronald reagan when it the president is reported to have helped dictate that lie. come to the statue of liberty you might think that's okay. and what freedom stands for in i don't. you might think it's okay that america. you can talk about the the campaign chairman of a undermining of nato. you can talk about the presidential campaign would offer information about that president's snuggling up to vladimir putin saying americans campaign to a oligarch in are just as bad vladimir putin's exchange for money, debt for givenes ne-- attitude. forgiveness. and he's actually turned them i don't. you might think it's okay that all on their head and now instead of standing up to north campaign okayed polling data. i don't think that's okay. korea and a tyrant who wants to you might think it okay that the have the ability to deliver nuclear bombs to kansas, he's president himself called on sending him love letters and russia to ak his-- hack his he's basically given up, saying

yeah, they're going to be nuclearized. >> i was just in berlin and i stood on the very spot where opponent's e-mails. i don't think that's okay. ronald reagan gave his tear down you might think it's okay that the president's son-in-law this wall speech and all i could think of is how far we've fallen sought to establish a secret back channel of communications in those 30 years but especially with the russians through a russian diplomatic facility. in the last two years where it's i don't think that's okay. almost inconceivable now that a you might think it's okay that president, especially a an associate of the president republican president would have that kind of astonishing moral made direct contact with the gru authority and forcefulness to be able to speak to the rest of the through guccifer 2 and world. and while i was really glad to be there and i felt very proud to be standing at that spot it wikileaks, that is considered a hostile intelligence agency. also made me very sad. you might think it's okay a senior campaign official was he left congress to serve as instructed to reach that california's attorney general. we're joined with the latest details on his fight against the president's border wall declaration. "morning joe" is back in a moment. orningoe j" is back in a moment - [woman] with my shark, i deep clean messes like this. associate and find out what -- you might think it's okay that

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that watching that hearing yesterday that was just so disturbing. joe, devan what was the gold the house intelligence kms was supposed to be beyond politics. it created a complete unravel, which is to take down the pillars of our democracy. i was really disappointed when i saw two republican house members sign that on to schiff's resignation. schiff, who i don't believe with a lot on policy but i do think he is there to restore integrity to the committee. and to see elise hurd sign it

was disappointing. this is nothing more than making welcome back to "morning this an extreme partisan show. and that is what we have we have joe." the state of california alone has brought at least 47 lawsuits against the trump administration on various issues with 28 legal victories so far. let's bring in the democratic attorney general of california to see the mueller report. xavier becerra. the barr memo i agree is just hope you are doing well. not enough, but it is going to >> i think i'm enjoying not take a lot of work to g our being in the house as much as you are, or close. country back on track. >> well, and the reason we >> just may be. i wanted to start, we're going played schiff's comments in to get to the lawsuits and many other things. i just -- you know, i read an their entirety is that piece article, i'm not sure if it was these and he knows in plain and in bloomberg or the economist but you always have people attacking california as being simple, explaining why we have some high taxed, socialist left questions. we can be mad at donald trump wing state and yet the fact is for bullying people. we can be mad at drpt's mignons, that the greatest capitalist

they're just making schiff says, revolution since henry ford rolled model t's off an assembly california. talk about this economic miracle those are the questions that are that's been going on there now clear. those are the questions that are for 25 years. fair and must be answered. >> joe, i feel like i should give you my time to speak for >> and jonathan capeheart, from california. you're doing a pretty good job. we are now the fifth largest economy in the world. as one state we are now the of what anyone could have said. fifth largest economy in the world. if we are socialists we're doing he mike pence went on the sunday a better job than most capitalists when it comes to creating jobs. no one creates more jobs than we do. we're number one in agriculture just as we are in high tech. we're number one in show in january of 2017 and lied manufacturing. number one in clean energy. saying that nobody in the campaign had had any contacts we graduate more people than with russia. anyone else in the country and paul manafort lied about people keep coming. we're 40 million because we contacts with frch he lied about create good jobs, not a bad place to live if you can water ski and ice ski on the same day his contacts with russia. so there are some things that make people come to california. had to play guilty to. >> and again, you've got some of

the best colleges in the world. the attorney general lied about his contacts with russia. you've got of course the tax he son lied about we don't have revolution that started in the 70s in ernest but wentz back before that. enough time. even with all of that happening, and any republican that thinks the past four or five years actually have been even more positive for the state of that that are and i'm going to say you need news people that california. are shaming themselves by economically things have turned around. what's been the secret? >> we give people a chance to tweeting themselves, it's not jump. we let them know if you want to innovate come to california. if you're going to work hard come to california. so you don't have to be the next creator of google in the world to have success in california. my dad got to the sixth grade. conclusion and not spir snrp my mother didn't come to america until she married my father at then they just have to look at 18 from mexico. so that's what california, quite honestly that's what america does for you and that's why you what. in and people in michigan, that see people yearning to come to america's shores and the california shores as well. are nrm it's cooler in in and

>> as attorney general you've been a very forward thinking. the beautiful thing about what you haven't just sat back in chairman schiff did is that he that position like former spoke it seemed like at the attorney generals have done. beginning of his remarks, you're actually being proactive and you've taken a lot of fights extemporaneously. to the administration and you're and what he did was basically give what we've been talking winning a lot of them. give us some of the highlights. about for two years now about >> so i was taught that if you special counsel mueller doing work hard, you play by the speaking indictments through the rules, you really can do indictments, laying out the something and so being the first to have a chance to go to story. college i've seen what it means right there in a little more and so we want to give everyone than five minutes, chairman schiff laid out all of the a chance. i'm watching a guy in things that we know, all of the washington, d.c. who's not things that had been reported, working very hard and not all of the things that we have playing by the rules and so we been talking about and wondering figure we're going to keep california moving. where you might think it's okay, we're not going to let someone drag us back. so 47 times we've had to send a message to the trump administration. we're not backsliding. we're moving forward and so we had to assume from everything on it's going to be a whether it's defending health care in california, we're the lead attorneys on defending the

affordable care act. we took him on and we saved the daca dreamers who were being defunding the special olympics told by donald trump you got to or putting babies in cages and be deported. no, today they're still here in jails, of separating because we got the injunction that stopped him from doing families, of con del n not that. we made sure that transgender americans who want to serve thinking it's a problem to their country can do it if coddle dictators, whether it's they're capable. kim jong un in north korea or and so we belief that if you sidling up to, being sfm we follow the rules, if you show that no one is above the law, that you can succeed and i think think we know why that is i wish so far we've had as you said, close to 30 rulings in our favor of of our 47 lawsuits. that the republicans could just >> let's drill down to health care a little bit. go back 20 years, maybe even 30 the premise of your adversaries years, to find their moral is once the tax break came on compass. i don't agree with the the individual mandate and republican on a lot of things, but i remember a time when the basically invalidates the mandate, it invalidates republican party stood for things and president trump obamacare, so give me the stands for nothing that the counter argument to that. republican party i grew up >> you've got a bank account.

you take your bank account to around, stands for nothing what zero but you don't close your they were about. >> absolutely nothing. i mean, i actually got into bank account. you can put money back in that congress because i believed in account and all of a sudden balanced budgets and i believed there it is. the same with the affordable in responsible spending. care act. just because of the amount of we've got a $22 trillion debt money was put down to zero right noush the highest monthly doesn't mean it disappeared. deficit last month in the history of this great republic congress could put money in that account and so congress through donald trump created more of a a tax bill did not repeal the deficit in one month than the affordable care act. it's still there. and by the way, even if you say united states government had no, you have to close that bank created in. account why should 133 million people who have preexisting my party used to believe in free conditions lose their protection against losing their health my party used to believe and the insurance because you drew down your bank account. statue of libertyin my party >> i'm sold. but basically the whole economics of the plan, everybody has to participate and that used to believe actually had in spiritually it's been broken by that. nato and defending against the so you give that argument that the bank account is not there, russian vladimir putin is more the economic premise it was

built on basically trump has kicked out with the tax plan. >> why are there more than 20 popular in the republican party now than a lot of american figures. come on! >> your party used to be against million americans getting health corruption. did you see those republicans care. >> i'm sold, by the way. sitting next to adam schiff >> general, you are the american listening to his questions. dream. as you just said, how you grew up, you're first generation in questions of ychl because this country and many of the fights that you've taken to the there's no within just throwing trump administration has been on the dreamers and otherwise. how do you tell people today, living in california and around the nation, if -- that they're away their dignity and level of welcomed here and explain that there is still an american dream commitment to the office. for everyone here, because it seems that the trump administration is trying to >> it was. eclipse that dream. >> it's more not about being the and snch and jonathan lemire, first and you know, you're new to the country or new to this kind of life. it's that you work hard. and you can be from the rust belt states of america or you can be an immigrant in

california. it's sot deposing. if you work hard you've got a chance and it's all about valuing work. my father was a construction worker. he got to the 6th grade so he not quite as bad as the last didn't have many opportunities night in seattle? to do more. are they going to make us give he couldn't walk into restaurants because of the signs that said no dogs or mexicans back our friend the 9th. allowed. he got to walk through the doors of the white house. he got to meet the president of >> my fear is the red sox open the united states because he had up with this 11 game road trip kids who did have a chance to go to college. and instead we'll have to wave a what we're trying to do in california is preserve everything that america has stood for. right flag sfchg now that we in california there's still a call them the worst team ever. dream. our dna is composed of optimism. so we're going to keep going. when someone says pull back, which means we may actually win tonight, but i did not say that we're going to make america out loud. >> so you had trom. great again, america has been great. we're going to make it greater in california. >> again, we're talking about all the things that california from i mean, going tull nm in a is doing right, but i'm going to talk about your schools and not state where a poll came out that just your schools but what's

happening in america. i hear from parents, friends, other people coming up to me in nominate -- is that is that why airports talking to me, so concerned about the cost of the president is ramping it up college tuition and the only reason why this comes to mind in more or does his campaign knows california is it's so remarkable to me to hear that, you know, in our parents' lifetime, if you that mirn in and really needs to were in in-state student you put a his under water poll could go to brk lerkeley for fr. some of the best colleges in the world for free. now of course even if you're numbers. they feel there's nch yes, it in-state, if you're working class, middle class, that's going to set you back in tuition and room and board and cost 30, was politics in 2020 pu it was 40, $50,000 which working class americans just can't afford. how do we get from where we are as we've noted since we haven't seen what's under lying the right now back to a position muller are the but this was an where in-state students aught to 82-minute rally, spol he opened be able to go to colleges up with a fiery die tribe instate for free.

do they give us a year of public against had the case pal wall service? what do we do to get back to where the best colleges in the world, the in-state colleges are him. in against the. still open and accessible to working class americans, chasing that, look the they came at me. the american dream just like this was a treasonous attempt to your immigrant parents. >> joe, i'm going to piggy back undermine our democracy. basically painting it as a. on one of the things you said and that is that we should all if the democrats jept looking give service. education is not free and i'm perfect proof of that. my parents paid what they could. no. and that would be the example. and what we shaw (is this just a they didn't pay a whole lot because stanford university cost a whole lot more than their one week or two-people. salaries but they paid. i worked throughout my four years and i paid back the in snchl is he politically smart student loans. it's not free but it's paid off in volumes in what i get to do here? does he have the discipline to say to the rit frob sfrchb -- he including marrying a physician that i got to meet when i was at stanford university. so i think what we have to do is you've got to be willing to pay something. nothing is free. but secondly, for those who

gave about one sentence of his can't pay much but show real attention last night, amid an opportunity, you've got to give otherwise angry attack on his them that chance to prove that they can get over the hump and that's where the in-state knowns. tuition colleges, the state universities are important. >> that's absolutely chaotic on community colleges should be the hill. very close to costing anyone nothing because they've been >> spch f (( -- paying all the way through. those are the spring boards to get you to the four-year institutions and what we have to do is we keep a lot of those slots available for those working their way will pay a little but have proven themselves academically. one other thing i want to mention, joe, here's the worst >> these rallies are a good part about it. window as to what's on the because we don't invest enough in our k through 12 we end up president's mine. y bapt to had pcht on health not giving middle class kids an opportunity. care. he spent about 45 or 5 minutes you know how much we spend today to keep a kid 17, going to school in a youth facility. forring had. we spend about eight times what it costs to send a kid for that same year to uc berkeley.

so why would we want to spend so as the president goes that kind of money to a kid forward, will he squander what who's 7 getting ready for looks like right now a noon win. college and having an 18-year-old kid in a facility we'll compare his ship that costs us more than it costs to send that kid to uc berkeley. against am mmm united states of >> thanks so much for joining us here. thank you so much. hope to see you again very soon. america. you're wooch morning joe." we'll be right back. >> look forward to it, joe. ♪ ♪ >> coming up next we'll be ♪ it's the dawning of the rest of our lives ♪ bringing you the renowned author ♪ 300 miles an hour, malcolm gladwell. "morning joe" back in a minute. - [woman] with my shark, i deep clean messes like this. this and even this. but i don't have to clean this,

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children in a twisted way for legendary music producer and he was interested in doing a music your political narrative. podcast which is something that the two of us had talked about >> did you personally approve -- i think a yes or no will do -- and we just all sort of put our minds together and thought is the $18 million cut of the there a way to talk intelligently about music and to funding for special olympics? allow artists to come on and >> no, i didn't -- perform for us and tell us stories and talk about what >> whoever came up with that music means to them. gets a special olympic gold medal for insensitivity. that's what we wanted to do with broken record. >> that was betsy devos >> so what's the answer? is there an intelligent way to talk about music? obviously there is but sometimes you read rock criticism or you hear people talking too much about music and it seems to take defendi defending the proposal to defund the magic away from it. the special olympics. how do you strike the balance. then just hours later president >> one correction. i have not won a pulitzer prize. trump changed course. >> reporter: why cut money for the special olympics? >> the special olympics will be i've had writers win. editors don't get them. funded. i just told my people i want to >> we're in the age of trump. you're supposed to say you were

fund the special olympics. wrong, in fact, i have won more i've been to the special olympics, i think it's pulitzer prizes than any writer. incredible and i just authorized a funding. >> and anyway, yeah. i heard about it this morning. well, there is more music now i have overridden my people. than ever and there is more we're funding the special access to music through, you olympics. >> this is not -- know, streaming services and >> i just told my people. you're sort of innundated with >> it's not "the new york post," music. i do think we're losing the you can't just make up stuff and musicians a little bit. unless they're getting arrested move around the news cycle. or in twitter feeds we're not there's actually a process to hearing from musicians. funding and defunding. mika, he i grew up in a musical family. one of my brothers is an opera people, come on. whenever people get overcharged conductor but music is still a and start talking about donald mystery to me and i think talking to the actual musicians trump and say they're all nazis, no, no, they're not nazis. like rozeann cash or quest love but if they were nazis, they'd and our partner rick ruben be the one's from "hogan's almost most of all, you help -- heros." it helps us learn something about music and something about creativity and how to live your this is colonel klink. life so you're right. we're not critics.

we're trying to talk to the we've seen this happen time musicians themselves and that makes us different. >> speaking of musicians -- >> i just want to jump in. it's important, please, i have a client, up and coming guy from again when president trump makes a mistake, has to walk it saraso sarasota. great position. he's starting to make some back -- >> i was on it. i got my people on it. it's clear often when he's waves. >> i'm not from sarasota. >> pensacola. confronted with these things, i'm sorry. it's the first time he's ever >> it's the age of trump so heard of it. facts don't really matter, do and it's like when he reads his they? so malcolm, bruce brings up something that's a real speeches and he stops and looks challenge for artists now. up and says "so true" because back when we were growing up, i remember i was a member of like it's the first time he's reading the columbia record of the month this. i want to make a point that club and you would get that win record and you would open it up links the special olympics and and you would just stair at it the special committee on and that's what you had. intelligence. one of the things that, joe, our that was your life. now i feel like my kids are so former republican colleagues keep saying is we understand how you feel about the president, innundated with music that some of the magic is gone and i guess but you know, there are good the question is how in the world do musicians -- it was supposed republicans, the republican

party still has a sound to be a dream. you could record in your garage. foundation. you can't just treat the republican party like a instead of having massive monolith. i think from the vote in the tractor-trailers sending records senate on the emergency to record stores now you can declaration to this really just put it out same day. appalling motion in the how do artists get past that intelligence committee, it's challenge and get heard? >> well, this is what we're very clear that this is the trying to figure out. president's party, that it is a one of the tag lines we were personality-driven party that does what the president wants to playing with early on for broken record was liner. ♪s for the digital age and do and this notion there are remember on the album there were secret rebels and people that liner notes which was a kind will stand up and the president of -- there would be an essay or saves the party, how many more explanation or something that helped you appreciate the music times does this have to happen more, understand it, get into it before we know it's just not true. and that's gone away of course this isn't like previous because now music is streamed. democratic or republican parties so our idea was one of the -- where you have someone in the party that will go to the maybe one of the things we can president and say, look, you're do with this podcast is to allow wrong, or this has a change. musicians to put their music if the president says the moon into context. so i did an interview in is made out of green cheese, the nashville a couple of weeks ago committee on science and that's going to air in season technology will say it is indeed two with the love junkies. and we think it's gouda or pa these three fantastic brilliant hilarious women that write some

of the best country songs of the day and when you hear them talk about their music and where it parm parmesan. that's why the republican party is being hollowed out and i comes from and their relationship and how -- and you don't think has much of a future hear them tell stories from no matter what happens in 2020. their lives and then they >> again, i was starting to talk about some of. compose a song for me in the ways that they've been middle of the interview just from stuff they're talking about and you say oh my goodness, corrupted, conservatism has been that's where music comes from corrupted. can you talk about the largest and that's where their music deficits ever, the largest debt, comes from. they wrote -- hillary lindsey the protectionists and how wrote girl crush. they've turned their back on all girl crush together that was a the ideas of ronald reagan when huge hit. if you hear it without knowing it comes to the statue of any of the context sounds like a liberty and what freedom stands very good but another poppy for in america. you could talk about the country song. when you hear them talk about where it came from. you're like now i love that president's snuggling up to song. i wake up every morning singing vladimir putin in helsinki it to myself because i know the back story and that's what saying americans are just as bad broken record is about. >> liner notes for the digital as vladimir putin's russia, we age. that's beautiful. kill people, too. you guys also very excited to go down the list. say you guys have interviewed he's taken the top issues that matter the most to the

republican party and he's turned ezra, vampire weekend finally them all on their head and now releasing another album. instead of standing up to north talk about their process. here's a great example of a band korea and a tyrant who wants to that just should not have broken have the ability to deliver through, but great song writing, nuclear bombs to kansas, he's great playing, a great new sound, they absolutely exploded. sending them love letters and so what have you learned from him ability vampire weekend's given up and said they're going creative process? to be nuclear ice. >> that's why we have -- that's >> i stood on the very spot the benefit of having rick ruben as our third partner. where praying rronald reagan ga here's one of the most respected "tear down this wall" speech and producers in the world and he knows him. all i could think of is how far he worked with him. so he came over to the studio in we have fallen where it's almost inconceivable now that a president, especially a republican president, would have malibu. they had that conversation. that kind of astonishing moral it's a fantastic interview authority and force fullness to because he basically spends the be able to speak to the rest of entire time talking about not the world. just one song but a piece of one and while i was really glad to be there and i felt very proud song and rick and him do a kind to be sanding at that spot, it of deep dive into it and you also made me very sad, very think that's going to be boring and you realize it's the dispirted.

>>coming up, what the -- how the opposite. it is -- he just talks about what it -- how he thought through the construction of this particularly crucial thought of that piece of music and at the end of it you're in awe. president was able to dodge the i remember we were like sort of special counsel. that's next on "morning joe." in hour two and i was like this is unbelievable. i had to get on a plane. ♪ i was heart broken of having to ♪ leave the two of them but that's the kind of thing that's possible when you have conversation really seriously in this really beautiful way. >> well, you know, and bruce, it seems to me that too many of us fans think that musicians are just struck by licenghtning and they have this incredible god given talent and they don't have to work hard for it. malcolm talked about 10,000 hours, the beatles going to hamburg and playing basically 24 hours a day. the beatles weren't the beatles until they went through all of that. talk about how a lot of this is

just grinding it out. just like hemingway working all day to get one good line. >> in fact one of the interviews we just did was with mary, a nashville song writer. she did a whole album that she co-wrote with veterans and their spouses. she'll work days on a single line and her music seems very, very simple, very direct, very vernacular. not something that would require that level of care but she does take that level of care. it does require that. that's one of the -- that's one of the mysteries of music. it's one of the great things about music. she's so passionate about it and so focused on it. when she was able to do that with veterans and their spouses, work that hard on a song and come up with -- there's a beautiful song called bullet others. suddenly they realize through all of that work that their experience -- and she's

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you know, mika, our good friend rick stengel wrote something yesterday i agree with. he said i'm dumbfounded by the journalistic pivot away from the mueller report, said rick. if someone gave you a brief synopsis of "war and peace" written by a hostile critic, do you think then you have read the book? >> no. >> it's fascinating, i understand why donald trump and the rnc and all these people who are desperately clinging to the barr letter are doing so, but it's an interlude. we haven't seen the mueller report. >> yeah. >> and that's something that the american people have to be told

every second of every day because we still don't know what we don't know. >> and we're waiting for it and we're covering it but there are other stories to cover like why they would defund special olympics and then put it back. or what is the reason the government took so long to work with bowing ing boeing to grou jets? there are so many stories and we'll get to that. nothing exonerates this president, that's the one quote we know from the report, that it's not a complete exoneration, which the president is loudly using the platform of the presidency to brand the latest barr summary as an exoneration. it is not. and we will continue to cover that. joining us now white house bureau chief at the "washington post" and analyst for msnbc and

nbc news, philip rucker. did the president dodge the interview? what happened there? why did mueller not sit him down? >> well, mika, it's one of the big mysteries of this mueller investigation and perhaps we'll find some answer when is we eventually read that report. we know from our reporting from almost day one the president's lawyers were determined not to let him do an interview with the special counsel because they knew if he were to sit face to face with federal investigators, he would probably lie, which is committing perjury, which is a crime. so they were trying to protect the president from doing that interview. they went to extraordinary lengths to do so. there was a multi-pronged campaign to pressure the mueller team and the department of justice with legal arguments about executive privilege. this was all going on while rod rosenstein, who oversaw the probe at the department of justice was under a lot of pressure from the president,

from republican allies in congress, some of whom were even calling for him to be removed from his office. ultimately relearned that mueller never formal live sought that subpoena. but what we don't know is the extent to which rosenstein and others were debating whether to have a subpoena, to force and compel the president to do that interview. >> we certainly know that donald trump lawyers were afraid of robert mueller. i suspect that they just thought that donald trump couldn't keep up with him. and jonathan capehart, also, his lawyers admitted to bob woodward that they didn't want foreign leaders reading the transcript because foreign leaders would think that donald trump was so stupid that they could take advantage of him. >> well, i don't know where to go with that. but you know, joe, this has been one of the things about this presidency that's been most confounding.

phil, let me ask you a question about this story, which is pretty incredible. you have a key line in here i think people need to understand because we've been comparing the mueller investigation to, say, ken starr's investigation of president clinton during the monica lewinsky situation. and you have been hearing that in assessing whether to approve such a high-spaks move, the special counsel was not operating with complete auton y autonomy. that was in contrast with ken starr and this broad leeway under the now expired independent special counsel statute. why that was tho important? >> robert mueller was an appointed attorney general and

that the department of justice oversaw it. if mueller wanted to force the presidential interview by issuing a subpoena, he would have had to have gotten approval from his superiors at the department of justice and they were appointees from the trump administrati administration. >> my you had to get to state of mind or motive to get behind conspiracy and collusion. sought without imitating, without establishing motive or state of mutual fund, you were never going to get to collusion. >> that's right. legal experts say the interview was even more important for the obstruction of justice part of the investigation. the prosecutors needed to fully understand the president's intent. they interviewed witnesses and people who interacted with the

president. they interviewed reames of documents but did not interview the president and that was a gap th th that. >> and also there were 219 criminal charges and five prison sentences as a result of this, as trump takes his victory lap. >> no victory at all for those that have worked with him and worked around him. many are in jail, others going to jail. >> all right, philip rucker, thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. >> om you travel far too much, you give and you are home for far too short of. that said, the masses deserve to

know what are you turning your brilliant intellectual power towards this next week? what are you focusing on? >> well, like everybody else, i'm really hoping that i actually get to see the mueller report, i get to find out what's actually happening in the country. i mean, i was out of the country for almost a week and i don't think i learned any less than anybody else who was following the news, even though i was 5,000 miles away. so in the coming week i'd like to actually catch up and find out what's going on. >> what's your take on the attorney general right now? is he just covering up for donald trump? >> you know, i think it's unfair at this point to talk about a coverup, but i think what he did with the report was he seized the narrative. he knew in the next 24 hours whatever he said would become

the story. that's what 30 to 35% of the american people are going to believe. if the president says in settles it, i've never had any inappropriate contact with russia, which none of this says, by the way, that people would believe it. and i think the word that adam schiff used and, joe, you used a moment ago was about compromise. i never expected the mueller report to have that silver bullet in it. i think people who did made a mistake. but the thing i'll be looking for this the coming week or two, i'm very curious about the counterintelligence aspect of this investigation, not the particular legal finding. the legal finding is very narrow, but there is a whole lot of counterintelligence work that was done. that's what i'm looking to hear more about. >> and jonathan capehart, what are you going to be working on over the next week? >> well, actually, i have a big

series that hits next thursday, following leaders from the civil rights movement with congressman lewis, clarence lots of narratives, interviews with people. some pokes and will illuminate probably one of the greatest moments in history. >> amaze. theeng you both for being on this morning. coming up, a new investigation by "the washington post" reveals how donald trump as a businessman repeatedly inflated his net worth to potential lenders and invests are and brett stevens explains why

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in terms of this, this is a responsibility that we have to uphold the constitution. i have said and i'll say again no thank you, mr. attorney general, we do not need your interpretation. show us the report and we can draw our own conclusions. we don't need you interpreting for us. it was condescending, it was arrogant and it wasn't the right thing to do. so the sooner they can give us the information, the sooner we can all make a judgment about it.

>> wow. i love it. welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, march 29th. donny deutsch is still with us along with analyst susan del percio, white house reporter jonathan lemire, columnist for "new york times" brett stevens, senior adviser for move on.org corine jean pierre is with us. >> first of all, let's talk about nancy pelosi. she's been pitch perfect -- >> so elegant. >> -- time and time again. she oversaw the greatest defeat of the republican party in midterms, in terms of vote in the history of this country. she oversaw the greatest gain of seats by democrats since watergate in 1974. republicans have been running against her for years and it

just has failed miserably. the first woman to ever be elected speaker of the house in 2006 and she comes roaring back in 2018 with a truly historic wipeout of the republican party and, man, she is in complete control of her caucus and of the democratic message right now. >> you know, i was interviewing her for one of my know your value books that's coming out next fall, and i talked to her about negotiating. i'll try and remember the exact quote, but she said one of the reasons why i'm an expert negotiator, why i am at negotiating is that i have a supreme knowledge of the information, the content of which i'm negotiating. she said i have supreme knowledge, i have discipline, i know what i'm doing it and all makes me an excellent

negotiator. she was giving advice to women on negotiating skills but her confidence, i just was enjoying. she's in the job of speaker of the house, the third highest position in this country. >> she also talked about knowing the why of why you're negotiating. >> she knows the why of why she's there and what she's doing and nothing is going to get in her way. >> i wonder, jonathan lemire, the president last night was in michigan. th this. she gets the attorney general to write a letter that seems to to give him a little bit of breathing room.

the same questions are being raised by his corruption, the same about all the people around him going to jail. he's in michigan last night. he's got a 31% reelect. that is so low. that is historically low for presidents. on 31% of the people in michigan say they would vote to reelect donald trump. only 31% of people in new hampshire, only 31% of people in new hampshire say this people still don't believe him on the russia matter. an overwhelming majority of americans believe that donald trump acted illegally, 64% of americans believe that donald trump acted illegally. 72% of americans believe donald

trump acted unethically. both of those questions bring back a massive, landslide answer and that's why i say to my dear republican colleagues, please, please stay on this subject because you will lose. but jonathan, last night the president takingtory i suspect that he knows that adam schiff is a man to fear going forward. >> as much as the white house wants these cloud of questions that have been hovering to go away and maybe they have a reprieve after the barr letter, they're not going to entirely. it's clear the public does not

trust -- that's still going to provide a back drop in pi one, he is now framing the barr report with its mueller findings, as abbreviated and perhaps premature as they may be, as swu who handed kated that and now this is a pitch and paint the deep state as he calls it, paint the media as but also more than that be they're not much better in states like and

they're really backing on again. last night in many ways felt like it was a nostalgia trip for this government as well. a lot of his former campaign aides and they have a very narrow path to reelection. they have to thread that needle again and expect him to spend a lot of time in fish how sad that they go back to the scene of their last rally before his shocking political victory, goes back, revis it's last night. it will to be it's just not the same thing.

but brett stevens, you say maybe the only thing i would say is 31% in michigan and new hampshire, and 65% look, i don't know but i think we should check our impulses to mock him. like it or not, the president achieved a significant political victory with even but i would frankly be stunned if there was a major discrepancy between the broad conclusions of the mueller report and barr's summary. and the president has had a con

the russia story is a bunch of media lies and nonsense and in that because i think of the president not as a traitor but as a scoundrel. i think the problem with this administration is what is and need to start. we're going to find ourselves in a similar position of surprise, especially as the democrats start coming up with alternatives. at some point that generic democrat will turn into a real person with flaws, with a history, with policy proposals that might not go off so well in places like michigan and wisconsin and you'll have a real

race on your hands. >> but, kareen, and republicans aren't armed with any ideas on how to make working class and middle class americans in michigan and wisconsin and the west of the rp and. >> that's right, joe. he ran on that populist message in 2016 that he would protect 2016 and 20 is so he's doing the complete opposite on what he was running on. i mean, brett steven was many

you saw after that three to four page barr summary that no clul up and here he's talking about house of representatives when they have no replacements, r rebbut they have no replacement. aching knack that is the stupidest thing i've ever herd. and now kiethe reason why the democrats took back the house was because of health care so these are things that folks out there want to know, how are we going to fix our health care, how are we going to protect our health care? even republicans in washington,

d.c., they're knocking around going why are we talking about this? because republicans away. it's death by a thousand cuts is what they've been doing with aca. >> one of the reasons he looked so packed last night is he is boxed in. suggesting it's the body of health care and at the same time they want to take away preexisting conditions. we were watching the red sox at the seattle mariners ballpark, there's 50,000 people. imagine if you lined up 400 stadiums like that, filled with 50,000 people. that's what 20 million people look like. he can't go anywhere on health care, a place that the republicans lost by 9% in the last election. and i want to flip it over to john harwood. and the other thing that once again i think is the real dark bo and between heck and a soon

and still the suss boy, those are three tough prongs for him to overcome. >> you're exactly right. first of all, i don't agree with brett that the letter from bill barr was a political victory for the president. to haveun of your appointees write a summary of a report that nrmt to me that's not all that much. literally none of the questions that have been preoccupying all of us for two years have been answered yet. we've got a verdict that there won't be a criminal prosecution on a conspiracy. that's not all that much of a surprise, but we've got this tribal response with republicans saying adam schiff resign and people saying, oh, the media,

rerewe don't know anything and as a policy basis as kareen was saying a one is budget cuts to things like special olympics, which he's a complete political loser, which he reversed himself on. and the and then finally, on the economy, mr. we've got it on the right path. you guys said we couldn't do it. guess what? the economy decelerated the rest of the year, 3.3 in the third, 2.2 in the fourth and yesterday

when we got the revisions from the government, we found out that their entire economic program is they just had their best year and didn't make it of f so sfchlt think about what those trump numbers are going to look like if we're in recession when he's running for reelection. >> listen, maybe barr's summary will turn out to be a travesty of the full report. my guess is it's not going to be. and you have unanimity -- >> i agree with you, i agree with you. >> so are we going to spend another month saying, well, we don't believe bar and then largely indicate the sum remember

remember. as soon as possibleand on the question of trump, i don't know if he's lucky or if he's a genius, but i think it behooves both of us toom genius. just tack he's going after the an a but he's going to start forcing democrats to do two things. he's going to say are you going to defend medicare for all? and if medicare for all is your plan, what does that say about the aca, which is just a five-year-old deal? he's not a of and he's about to

be defeated. >> what a fool! >> he's about to be defeated. >> hold on, hold on. john, i'll let you get in in a second. i just have to answer this. if you stick your hand on a hot stove and your hand gets burned in november, gets chore offed. you burn your snchl and you look at that stove and say i think i'm going to try to put my other hand on there. donald trump on health care in the fall, republicans lost on health care in the fall. let me lay this out for for you. the largest vote albert haynesworth sfchl.

>> joe, i hope you're right but i have two dates for you. 2007 when braurk got shellacked in the midterms and just after bringing the aca in meeting, it's hard to tu nufrmt i presume good faith on the par of bill barr. i'm not assuming he complete the for saying that he and rod rosenstein concluded that there is no obstruction case to be made against the president. it was a political judgment and we p all of the questions about these contacts and why they were

die. (is there a criminal conspiracy case to make? that is a very limited conclusion. and the same on obstruction. so until we get the data, until we see what's in those 300 pages, we don't know. >> so, donnie, we've all known, you and mika and i have known donald trump for crime some time, well over a decade. answer brett's question. kaiser so say or inspector cluzo. >> back there is a imagine i think the fact coming off of that he perceives this stunning

victo victory. his attitude is i can noand this will take him down. and the reason he's going after thinking about the personal puffery and i it's inflated him to the point of a new path of reand p and the health care thing is a stunning, stunning suicide mission. the democrats can walk and chew gum at the aim time and to adam schiff snm and talk about.

>> well, susan del percio, there are just no realities in politics. if you if you're at 30 mrs, 42%, 5 52 $ and now we have donald trump facing 31% reelects in new hampshire, 31% reelects in michigan. his numbers in pennsylvania going down, his numbers in florida troubling and his numbers in texas troubling as well. at the end of the day, 40% is still 40% and 30% is still 30 and we've seen that over time,

that said do you believe trump will win reelection? and it was split 43-43. that is an interesting this after the hul ehuler. in and what these polls mean and where he can do what. actually think on the health care list there is something there because donald trump looks at it this way. i wasn't running in 2018. he tried the game and, yes, he was out there but he thinks that he alone with change it. now, he can also blame the democrats, make that point that either you want socialism and, you know, you don't want private insurance or you want the health care that you like and have your doctor and everything else. i do think in the end it hurts

him but i think when you look at how donald trump reacts to things and takes action, it's just all based on him. he did not wake up the other morning and think, oh, will this help or hurt the republican party? he thought it was good for him. >> and that personal puff a new report finds that president trump frequently crafted financial statements that exaggerated his assets, meaning he lied, and hit hid -- he sent statements of financial condition, laying out his properties, debt and multi-billion net worth. but the paper notes if someone was trying to get a true picture of trump's net worth, the

documents were deeply flawed. >> filled with lies. >> earthquakes j, some assets were overvalued. >> he lied. >> some key numbers were wrong joining us david fair entold. david, tell us the details, here. >> well, as you read, these were documents it troop to show that he was a good he wasn't going to take their money and go away. toe there a things in there that are core at the beginning of these documents saying and er r

error -- there's things that are not disclaimed, things that you're not warned about. that's the key question, are the errors, the exaggerations big enough to allow trump to get a loan? >>. >>. they've been looking to see how did they use them, and they sent a subpoena to deutsche bank after they heard deutsche bank had gotten some of these hardwoods themselves. >> i think this is it be this is

a beenand we've seen that the american people know this, this is something that they have recognized. snm that specific on the president, is it on himself prn are in snncfraud, financial frar if it's just more of this pattern of puffery and hype which we've seen for years, we just don't know. >> this is where it's going to end for trump. it's familiar pay david's piece is skaching the. from sfrch and at the end of the day, trump can -- these are

absolute criminal charges. >> so is that, truets of financ condition are used to mislead those from whom he's trying to get money. who did that happen to? what do we know in terms of we know from cohen's testimony and other. going back novg and so other lenders, when he was seeking to get a loan that he would federal government and cohen also said they went to insurers to lower his premiums. now, the legal question of froud, you need to was snch did

they change there. in. >> so interesting. >> so, david, let me ask you, do the lines, the few lines in the report from the accountant and if some of this is unorthodox, does that give him legal cover fr him some. certainly of a 20-page report, two of the pages are just disclaimers. i'm telling you the ways in which this is wrong and untrustworthy. but there are owning trump has a golf course in l.a. i have 355 lots ready to sell for $55 minimum. and that was wrong.

the difference between lots, if you read that you'd think, wow, donald trump has $72 million of guaranteed income coming in that he really didn't. and that's sort of big enough that it might be changing it thank you very much. i'll sure we'll be be and nbc news broke a story about a new push to deport unaccompanied migrant children more quickly. we'll ask the forrer secretary just a note, joe's band as a dig if he wuting he'll be doing a facebook live, practicing today. i did a a facebook page -- >> aren't you doing a know your value today.

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in addition until their cases are decided and to allow immigrants to apply for eye sigh lum in their she said the specific that has led to the recent spoke in podder crossings. by ed which is expected strongly to oppose the request. ginning us julia ainsley, reporter for nbc news. tell us more about this proposal. >> mika, you're absolutely right. this could be killed when it gets to congress but it gives us an idea of how this generation plans to react, mainly on porters seeking asylum. it asks for the authority to

hold chin around then deport them almost eed will a the secretary in this letter makes the case that is pulling more children to come and make this dangerous journey and they should be able to deport them more quickly back to their only countries. but the very thing they are fleeing there is violence. also, she's trying to say they should get consult and then she also wants to be able to have people apply for asylum at their home countries. the problem and those people don't have that kind will be a

need right now custom and porders ppgs kbrrp julia, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i want to bring in former secretary of homeland security under president obama. jai nn, with we begin? >> where do we begin with i guess frngs get. -- do they even come close to representing america? >> first, thanks, micah, for having me. when i was in an office at kirsten's male on the desk.

there could be aboutand eye like at them every morning, it would be the first thing i looked at and i appropriation grchl and if it was above 1,000, it was going to be a relatively bad number and i was going to be in a bad mood all day. on,000 there were 4 thune when an prrm i noted that the exsn s exsnsks. the underlying conditions in central america, it's always a factor in illegal migration and there's no level of border security that you can throw at that problem to act as a

complete deterrent as long as the underlying conditions and there are some things were. and we cannot keep families longer than 20 days. that's the flores decision in 28wh 28whenand i believe that ice and po port. longer than a week or a day or a month. i think they need to have thattes bt is amading the tt of in the l but i sfrchl so without

she's proposing here, i suspect, will meet with serious opposition in congress, both snochlt ekt fichl snchl you know, mika, this is really just mind blowing. we've been spending this morning talking about if donald trump -- is there sophistication in his medicalness. and honesty, it's just pure cruelty if. >> to say that they want to -- they want to take on uni cape cod and take them back to their country where there's violence,

it's just mind numbing. so, secretary, i want to ask you what is it that congress can do? clearly we can't shut down the border, right, that's something we cannot do. we can't continue what we're doing right now so what are the policies? how do we help these countries that are feeling with violence? >> well, first of all, we can talk about and we have to have the nets, the yins frrj and the ten tral american nrnlt so that's what nfbl the money is

beginning to have some impact there and we have to sustain that effort to address the underlying push factors. in terms of what's operating as a magnet now, there is the way do. that families will not be held longer snrm kids go straight to hhs and then they're placed sflfrmt we should send (but this

th thisnfrmt you have to make a long-term effort to address the poverty and the violence. i continue to say that over and over again. that has to be the answer. >> mr. secretary, in the 1990s the clinton administration worked with another dysfunction an latin america country, colombia, on something called pl planwhich rescued the cred. sfrchl so i think what you're saying. -- it's not just a policy fill year. it's the eyity thisp sfchl

sfchlt whether it was in korea or at check point charlie in west berlin, the n much less a plan to address the root source of the problem, which is criminality and state failure in central america. and this goes much deeper, is the eye too p a s that immigrants are a liability to the country. where is sffrp i look down and i think, my goodness, this is a an empty country! the idea that we're being overwhelmed by immigrants flies in the face of physical reality.

that is to say that we don't need borders and border security. we need some kind of control so people come hearing can be dealt with lawfully and we can ensure that we know is and anyone po come into our and anyone coming in is what we have to dispose of rather than making a human target. >> we sited colombia, it can be done. smaller, more discrete boundaries, it can be done. you're correct. there's no amount of border security you can throw at this problem to stop illegal immigration. president trump last night talked about closing the border.

that's a little like saying but but you have to deal with this problem at its root. prp of are and thank you both as well. still ahead, we'll talk to the attorney general california as democratic states push back against the trump administration, especially on health care and immigration. and as we go to break, as one twitter user put it, this is why we love c-span. at the confirmation hearing of acting interior secretary david bernhardt yesterday, there was an unexpected viewer in the crowd, a green, unblinking, swamp and "morning joe" back in

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vaccines. >> so now, we're looking at 15 state. we're looking at bans. we're looking at the law getting involved. am i missing something? wasn't this eradicated? >> i started practice in 1991. in 2000 measles was reported done in the united states. it was gone. well, it wasn't and it's certainly not gone in the world and now that there is more international travel and we have these small pools of vaccine hesitant groups it's anything but gone. to my calculation, this year we're on track to be twice as bad as the next worst year since the measles came back to the united states. >> so what's a level of concern here? how worried should parents be if they live near an area where this is p haing? how concerned? >> they should be very concerned. those that are too young, those that have immune deficiencies,

or for those receiving steroids, they're at grave risk if they're near the vaccine. >> so we're going to go deeper with you on this online. thank you very much for coming on the show to talk about this. again, a measles outbreak in a county just outside of new york city and 15 other states as well. now to some other big stori stories. today was supposed to be the day that the united kingdom left the european union. teresa may's brexit deal has been price rejected by lawmakers by historic lawmakers and parliament proved it is far from being able to come to an agreement on any sort of divorce deal. the prime minister will try to get parliament to vote in favor in part but not all the deal to

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click, call, or visit a store today. i'm so proud of the work of chairman adam schiff. in stark contrast to the irresponsible almost criminal behavior of the previous chair of the committee. so what is the president afraid of? is he afraid of the truth, that he would go after a member, a chairman of a committee, a respected chairman of a committee in the congress? i think they're just scaredy cats. >> little pencil neck adam schiff. got the smallest, thinnest neck i've ever seen. he is not a long ball hitter. but i saw him today, well, we don't really know, there could still have been some russia

collusion. >> okay. >> that guy is talking about physical problems? seriously, have you seen that guy golfing? >> it's high school. >> like not -- i mean, who knows? maybe schiff is not a -- >> he picks it up and puts it in the hole. that's how he plays golf. >> maybe schiff is not a long ball hitter but the president cannot even run the 5 yard dash. >> adam schiff is perfectly capable of defending himself but he did get the backing yesterday of the house speaker and putting robber mueller aside the chairman of the house intel committee has plenty left to investigate and of course there's also the southern district of new york. but you don't have to worry about that. that's long off. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, march 29th. with us we have renowned ad man,

donnie deutsch. republican strategist is with us. and editorial writer for the "washington post" joins us this morning and national security expert columnist at usa today and author of the book "the death of expertise" and jonathan lemire is with us as well. >> i always talk about my favorite quote from democratic senator paul simon who said in politics sometimes when you win you lose and sometimes when you lose you win. i find it quite striking that the republicans have overreached and actually even after that letter appear to be so desperate that they're swinging wildly, making personal attacks, trying

to draw up enemies' lists for reporters and i've got to say, i -- i sense they're actually for some strange reason back on their wheels. as adam schiff showed yesterday and we will show everybody today. donald trump and his administration still have so many improper things that they did, that may not have been illegal but they are certainly unpatriotic. >> i think they're trying to use the period between the bar summary, because i don't refer it to as the mueller report. all we have is the barr summary. they're trying to use it between the release of things of what we now know as a 300 page report. the attorney general really did this very competently during the week where he put out four pages that had some nicely phrased,

carefully word smithed explanations in there that you really had to be a lawyer or an intelligence analyst pick apart and they're trying to set the narrative that the one or two sentences in the barr summary therefore mean there was no improper contact with russia ever since you know, 1917. >> i think that's -- >> you know, and i just don't -- i don't think that's going to work and i actually think some of the republicans, i mean, the president is going to say what the president says and the people are going to believe him because that's the nature of it but i think they're setting up themselves for some heart burn later because i think congressman schiff is right. there's a lot more to this. >> let's get to congressman's adam schiff powerful defense of his work as chairman of the house intelligence committee. just hours after the president tweeted that schiff should be

forced to resign from congress, think about that. it's a pretty incredible moment. we want to let it breathe. all nine republican committee members used a hearing on meddle tactics to call on schiff to step down. watch everybody's reaction. here's a part of that call to step aside and then schiff's defiant forceful defense of why he is pressing on with the committee's russia investigation. >> we have no faith in your ability to discharge your duties in a manner consistent with your constitutional ability. we urge your resignation immediately. i ask that it be entered the record of today's hearing. >> without objection. i'm going to turn to our

witnesses who are at the hearing today but before i do, and as you have chosen instead of addressing the hearing to simply attack me consistent with the president's attacks, i do want to respond in this way. my colleagues may think it's okay that the russians offered dirt on a democratic candidate for president as part of what was described as the russian government's effort to help the trump campaign. you might think that's okay. my colleagues might think it's okay that when that was offered to the son of the president who had a pivotal role in the campaign that the president trump's son did not call the fbi, he did not adamantly refuse that foreign help, no, instead that son said that he would love the help of the russians. you might think it's okay that he took that meeting. you might think it's okay that paul manafort the campaign

chair, someone with great experience in running campaigns also took that meeting. you might think it's okay that the president's son-in-law also took that meeting. you might think it's okay that they concealed it from the public. you might think it's okay that their only disappointment after that meeting was that the dirt they received on hillary clinton wasn't better. you might think that's okay. you might think it's okay that when it was discovered a year later that they lied ability that meeting and said it was about adoptions. you might think it's okay that the president is reported to help dictate that lie. you might think that's okay. i don't. you might think it's okay that the campaign chairman of a presidential campaign would offer information about that campaign to a russian oligarch in exchange for money or debt forgiveness. you might think that's okay. i don't. you might think it's okay that that campaign chairman offered

polling data to someone linked to russian intelligence. i don't think that's okay. you might think it's okay that the president himself called on russia to hack his opponent's e-mails if they were listening. you might think it's okay that later that day in fact the russians attempted to hack a server affiliated with that campaign. i don't think that's okay. you might think that it's okay that the president's son-in-law sought to establish a secret back channel of communications with the russians through a russian diplomatic facility. i don't think that's okay. you might think it's okay that an associate of the president made direct contact with the gru and wikileaks and that is considered a hostile intelligence agency. you might think it's okay that a senior campaign official was

instructed to reach that associate and find out what that hostile intelligence agency had to say in terms of dirt on his opponent. you might think it's okay that the national security advisor designated secretly conferred with a russian ambassador about undermining u.s. sanctions and you might think it's okay he lied about it to the fbi. you might say that's all okay. you might say that's just what you need to do to win. but i don't think it's okay. i think it's immoral, i think it's unethical, i think it's unpatriotic, and yes, i think it's corrupt. and evidence of collusion. now, i have always said that the question of whether this amounts to proof of conspiracy was another matter. whether the special counsel could prove beyond a reasonable doubt the proof of that crime

would be up to the special counsel and i would accept his decision and i do. he's a good and honorable man and he is a good prosecutor. but i do not think that conduct, criminal or not, is okay. and the day we do think that's okay is the day we will look back and say that is the day america lost its way. and i will tell you one more thing that is ap ra poe of the hearing today. i don't think it's okay that the president would mach a deal in moscow that would make him a fortune. i don't think it's okay that he concealed it from the public. i don't think it's okay that he advocated a new and more favorable policy towards the russians even as he was seeking the russians' help to make money. i don't think it's okay that his attorney lied to our committee.

there's a different word for that than collusion and it's called compromise and that is the subject of our hearing today. mr. ambassador, you are recognized for your opening statement. >> will you yield? >> i will not yield. >> you said things about all of us that we should be able to respond to us. we should be allowed to speak -- >> you attacked me in your opening statement. >> i have not had a responsibility at all especially to your statements of what we think because no one over here thinks that. you cannot speak for us. >> you're not recognized. ambassador mcfall you're re recogniz recognized. >> that's just what we were saying before. >> yep. >> they've overreached, they are trying to defend the indefensible, they are hiding behind donald trump's own cone, william barr, yeah, i said it,

who squeezes together a couple of sentence fragments and puts it in a letter while trying to keep from the american people the mueller report, and they set themselves up to look like fools every single day. >> and there's something also that watching that hearing yesterday that was just so disturbing and nunez destroyed what was the gold standard of what our government is all about. the house intelligence committee was supposed to be beyond poll tucks. it was supposed to be about the security of our nation and what nunez did to that in two years has just created a complete unraveling and it kind of goes to what donald trump has always sought, which is to take down the pillars of our democracy. still ahead on "morning joe." >> all of the democrat politicia politicians, the media bosses,

bad people. the crooked journalists, the totally dishonest tv pundents, i'm sorry, they have to be accountable. >> the ap's jonathan lemire was at that michigan rally last night. what the president's talking points say about his campaign strategy going forward. that's next on "morning joe." gd that's next on "morning joe.

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