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vindication and for vind dictatetive. for republicans wanting to turn the corner on the still-unreleased mueller report. president trump has been happy to oblige them all week with a distracting victory lap culminating in a return to the campaign trail where he spiked the football. >> the russia witch hunt was a plan by those who lost the election to try and illegally regain power by framing innocent americans, many of them, they suffered, with an elaborate hoax. >> folks we still haven't seen a full unmitigated copy of the report, save the four pages of summary that attorney general bill barr released a week ago and followed up friday with the announcement that the report

would be made public, redacted, of course, by mid-april if not sooner. barr's own language. meanwhile, his boss maintains that no one wants the full report out more than him. of course, that hasn't stopped him from thireatening lawmakers. and that brings me to my question tonight. with america still trying to make heads or tails of what the mueller report is and what it might be, has the press and the public moved on too quickly, giving the president the freedom to do what he does best, change the subject? joining me now, david brock, chairman of american bridge 21st century, sophia nelson, former house gop committee council and contributor to think.com.

and paul butler, formal prosecutor. david, many of us said the candidates and others need to deal with the issues, but the congress should stay on this report. have we moved on too quickly? because we really have seen only a four-page summation by the attorney general appointed by president trump. we do not know what is in the report itself that is now over 300 pages we're told >> right. well, i think the president got a couple of two days out of it, but democrats are not going to move on. and the tell here was by the end of the week, attorney general barr was walking back what he had tried to do earlier in the week, which, to my mind, was a coverup. he had a bias on the obstruction of justice issue going into it and he tried to foist that upon the american public. he admitted by the end of the week that his letter wasn't a

real summary. they still won't tell us how many pages. it would be a big mistake for democrats to move on here. and i predict by the time we get the full report, which may be two weeks, maybe a little bit longer, there's going to be some devastating information on the obstruction of justice issue because the president here stood to benefit. he benefited from the underlying crimes on the computer hacking. and i think he used his executive power and i think that's misused his executive power. and i think that's what mueller concluded and i think we'll see that. so no, it's not time to move on. >> paul, we did see in attorney general barr's four-page letter that even he says that the report by mueller seems to have said there was no collusion, but he could not say there was no obstruction of justice. does that mean we could see in the report, when we finally get

it in a more complete form, that there could be things that are absolutely inappropriate and, in some cases, appalling, but may not have reached to a criminal level or a level where they felt they could prosecute? >> that's right, reverend. so we know that there is evidence of obstruction of justice by president trump in the report. we know that because mueller said that he could not exonerate trump on obstruction. the question is, will we see it, even when we get this redacted version? what the attorney general said is he's going to remove four categories of information, including grand jury material. that's the investigation. and information about some third parties. i'm curious whether donald trump jr. is a third party and whether that will be redacted from the

report. there's a big mystery about why mueller didn't indict donald trump jr. since he appeared to have lied to the house intelligence committee the way roger stone and michael cohen lied to the committees and mueller prosecuted them. there should be an explanation for why don junior wasn't prosecuted that's in that mueller report. the american people must see that. >> sophia, what was missing to me on this is a complete lack of outrage that has been established that clearly the russians, adversaries of this country did, in fact, interfere with the american presidential election. you would have thought that the president and the attorney general would have shown some outrage and say that they want to move to make sure this does not happen in this upcoming election. it's almost like all trying to vindicate the president and not

really be concerned about what this does to the democratic apparatus of this country. >> rev, i agree with you. i think we've seen this consistently now. since the election and then after the inauguration of this president that this whole issue of whether or not russia tried to interfere in our elections has been now established beyond a reasonable doubt, it seems to me, given what the intel community has said and now mueller report has clearly said, that is russians did, in fact, interfere in the elections. rev, in a normal world, we americans are used to with all of our presidents, whether they be democrats or republicans, ba obama, bush, daddy bush or reagan, when a president comes out and speaks to the american people says this will not stand, we will not allow the russians to interfere no our elections without consequence, and here are the ten things we're going to do. we've seen none of that. this president has hugged up to putin, coddled him, he's been

unwilling to do what he needs to do. yeah, they've done some backhanded sanctions that went through senate that they were forced to do, but lest be honest. the response from the white house is not what we expect regardless of our party. also, rev, to agree with my colleagues, there's one simple way to deal with this mueller report as a former committee council, congress under article 1 as oversight power of the executive. they need to haul mueller in. forget about a.g. barr, haul mueller in and ask him questions under oath, ask him to give us the context, ask him to explain why if he couldn't exonerate the president, why didn't he then charge the president. these are the type of things only mueller can answer, not attorney general barr. >> paul, let me go back to you on this. we hear the president not committing to not giving pardons. he's danced around that.

so he, in fact, has left the door open that he could pardon some of those that have been prosecuted by the mueller investigation. and he's even said they want to see the removal of congressman schiff over intelligence. by removing schiff, then who is going to look at the unredacted report by mueller and see if what is removed are security problems? >> that's a great question. the national security component of the mueller report, that's investigated not by the doj criminal prosecutors, but by national intelligence professionals who report to the president. so just like trump ran the former attorney general sessions out of the justice department so he could hire somebody just like

bill barr who apparently had taken the loyalty pledge that trump demands of his law enforcement officers and protected trump from the obstruction investigation, looks like trump is trying to do that with the counterintelligence portion of the investigation as well. the only person who could not let him get away with that is the congress, that's why he's going after schiff because he knows the biggest threat to his presidency is in the hands of the congress. >> now, congressman schiff, david, said this to my colleague, rachel maddow. >> this report is all going to come out and it's just going to reflect more poorly on the attorney general when it does come out and we look at the difference between what he dwraektd and what was under those redactions. it shows an effort to cover up our conceal. >> for him to raise that, he's

the head of the intelligence committee in the congress, david. and for there to be a target on him to get him removed is almost like you are going to give us people that you feel will redact what you want to redact or at least not question what is redacted. so if that happens, we won't know if we're really seeing the full report that we could have seen when we do see it. >> that's absolutely right. the barr letter was intellectually demonstrated and written in bad faith. he's not the right honest broker here to tell us what we can see and what we can't see. and i think that's what's schiff's point and that's why the focus is on schiff. the conservatives say that schiff is lying about collusion. he certainly isn't because there was a number of incidents shown.

all we know is it wasn't a criminal conspiracy but there certainly was collusion. it's precious that the republicans are attacking schiff, because their president on average last year lied 15 times a day. so this attack on schiff is not going to hold water. it's ridiculous. >> let me go back to you on this, quickly, before we have to go on this segment, sophie. when you hear this, as a republican, you remember the nixon resignation. it came because they established that he was part of the coverup, not that he had knowledge of the break-in at water gate and who paid for it, but of the coverup. so you could be guilty of obstruction even if the collusion was not proven. you could be guilty of obstructing a part of the coverup. will republicans, if that is the case when this report does come out, and if we're allowed to

see, really, all of what needs to be seen in terms of the public, will there be republicans that will go to this president and say, you obstructed, you need to resign. as republicans went to nixon and asked for his resignation? >> two things, rev. i agree with my colleagues. i am appalled as a citizen of this great republic we're being told what we can and cannot see when we're questioning whether the president of the united states was a mole for the russians or under the influence of the russians. we've apparently cleared him of that and that's a good day for america, but this obstruction issue is correct. i don't remember nixon resigning. i was way too small at that point, but at the end of the day your point is well taken that if obstruction is really on the table and you can't exonerate him of it, we got a problem here and we need to not only see that, but the congress has to conduct its oversight responsibilities over article i.

do i think the republicans will go to this president? i don't. i don't think this is george w. bush and baker and dole and those gentlemen back then who went to nixon and said you have to step down, this cannot be allowed, you have to go. i don't see this group of republicans doing that. that saddens me, but i don't. >> all right. i'm going to thank paul butler. i'm asking david and sophia to stick around for more. sophie, i knew you were too small around nixon. you remember him from your study. coming up, donald trump has injected a lot of noise into american politics. next week's naan conference will cut through the noise and focus on the real issues. one of the speakers at our convention joins me next. be right back. ht back. ♪

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i am so glad to be here with you today. in my hometown, in my home state, to announce that i'm running to serve you as the next president of the united states of america. [ cheers and applause ] >> another 2020 candidate has made it official. former texas congressman beto o'rourke announced officially today he's kicking off his campaign and he made the

announcement in el paso, texas. the dnc announced the debates of the 2020 election will be held in miami on june 26th and 27th. both events televised right here on msnbc. next week nearly a dozen of those presidential hopefuls will appear alongside black clergy at this year's national action network convention in new york. senator, you have not -- you've decided not to run, but you're speak at the convention. what do those attendees and the nation need to hear from those that are seeking office? what will be looking for in terms of substance and policy? >> there are three things, rev. they need to hear first of all how we're going to take on the crisis of underinvestment in our families and health care,

housing, education, living wage jobs. it's just been a horrific few decades. when we we have to hear about how they're going to restore our democracy, make the senate work so when we take a majority in the senate in 2021 and take the oval office, we can actually get work done. and the third thing is taking on climate. it's a threat that we cannot day. it's hurt people all over the country and i'm glad aoc is talking about green new deal. >> now, last friday you introduced legislation to deal with the electoral college and to deal with a lot of voting issues that the house has dealt with but the senate hasn't. elaborate on what you are after in this bill and how we no longer need to really just let the electoral dloej offset what's been decided?

>> it's way past time to get rid of the electoral college. it means people don't have to campaign in front of all the people in the country so a lot of states get left out of the presidential. so for all those reasons. but it also was last week that every single member of the democratic caucus introduced the for the people act that will take on the other key pieces of the gerrymandering and the voter suppression and the dark money polluting our elections. that's flipped our constitution on its head. we have government by and for a small circle of privileged and power people rather than government by and for the people. that's why we're getting such terrible outcomes. >> senator, in the 2016 election, you were the only senator during the primaries that endorsed your fellow senator, bernie sanders, over secretary hillary clinton. have you decided who you're

going to support and if not, will you support someone else and what would be the basis of doing that? >> i think it's going to take a long time before i endorse anyone. but i really am looking forward to hearing how they're going to take on those three big crises facing america. this is a time where we want to encourage people to lay out a vision, both their ability to drive that vision as well as the substantive content. how are we going to make health care better and address the housing crisis. how people go decades without getting a raise or losing ground? those are pieces of the puzzle we need to hear a real commitment from the heart and an intelligence from the mind a large group of crazy legislative processes to get the act done. >> one of the real problems in

this country that has come to the front under the trump presidency is the racial divide has become even more and more apparent. a lot of candidates run away from dealing with how to close the racial divide. you have been very open and very vocal about this in the senate, and yet a lot of us are not hearing policy from a lot of the candidates in how we deal with, yes, black unemployment is down, but it's still double the white. yes in terms of wealth gap, race and other things. how do we deal with the race issue and assume that most americans, who will not be turned off by, but challenged by it because we cannot just act like it will heal or resolve itself? >> we have to start from the point of embracing the strength of our diversity in america.

what we've really had is the president pouring gasoline on racial divisions, attacking all kinds of groups, african-americans, latino americans, muslim-americans, the list goes on and on. we need to have a spirit that says, you know what? we're stronger in america because of our different backgrounds, that we are more beautiful in america because those backgrounds. from that, tackle those challenges you've talked about. there's a set of unique circumstances in health care that really affect african-american communities. why don't we have programs to help address those sneezes we had economic improvements that have bypassed our front line communities. for example, as we rebuild our energy economy with the green new deal, how are we going to make sure jobs and clean energy go to those communities with very specific programs? that's a couple of the ways. let's start with the spirit of

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we're doing something that is going to be much less expensive than obamacare for the people. i'm not saying government, i'm saying for the people. and we're going to have preexisting conditions. the republicans are going to be the party of health care. >> you heard it, the political fight over health care is back on the table. but is this just one more instance of president trump trying to overturn a policy set in place by president obama? back with me, david brock, chairman of american bridge 21st century and sophia nelson, former house gop committee council. sophia, we keep hearing the president saying we have a plan, that we're not going to bother

this or that, but he's never laid out the plan. is this just his continued fight to try to overturn his predecessor's milestone moves, or is it just to distract us from the mueller report? where's the beef? where's the plan here? >> look, rev, no one would agree more than americans like myself who have serious preexisting conditions. i know what it's like to literally have your health care bills bankrupt your life, your finances, everything, because you took ill with insurance and couldn't afford the bills that you got. that's number one. so i really hope that this president is serious about a plan and i hope he does put up a plan in something that can bring this congress, which is deeply dwierktsd r divided. congress works for us and they need to get something done.

this health care issue is huge in this country and it impacts people with resources, without resources. it impacts the middle class, the worthle working class and people below the poverty line. i hope he tries work across because it's clear mitch mcconnell isn't going to do anything. he's made it clear he's going to wait and see. if the president is serious, he can get senators and others i hope that will work with him and maybe they can find a way to work together. >> david, the bringing up health care, he being president trump, has his justice department now signing on to a suit that's gone before the 5th circuit saying that the affordable health care plan is unconstitutional. this will be in the courts, not in the public. but is this even smart politically as so many republican senators now are

facing re-election in 2020? >> i think it's terrible politics. as a democrat, i'm delighted that trump has brought this up. let's hope we can have a trump care plan that makes sense. but there's no evidence of that. for two years the republicans tried and failed to repeal and replace obamacare. they seem to think that just because it's called obamacare it's not popular. it is popular. it's what democrats campaigned on and won their house majority in november. and now president trump has to deal with the democratic house. and so i don't see a prospect of them solving this problem. and you know what? the problem of preexisting conditions, you have 130 million americans with preexisting conditions. that's an issue in trump country, and democrats are going to take this issue to rural areas, urban areas and talk about what happens to rural hospitals if you get rid of obamacare and what happens to

the burgeening opioid crisis. these are issues that are going to be issues this trump areas, so it's terrible politics for them, i think. i'm delighted to have that debate. democrats are. >> sophia, looking at the broad field of democrats that are vying for the democratic nomination as of now, who do you think, which two or three do you think would present the biggest challenge to the president if he, in fact, is the candidate for the republican party in 2020? >> if you look at the polls, you continuously see joe biden at the top, even though he hasn't announced, bernie sanders, now beto and my sorority sister, kamala harris. although i'm not a democrat, i would be thrilled to see her do well in this whether she gets the nomination or becomes the vp running mate. i think she would be great. kamala would be one of my favorites.

beto o'rourke i'm just not a fan. i'm sure he's a nice man, but stacy abrams and andrew gillum performed better. he's on the cover of "vanity fair" and getting all this fanfare. i think a bernie sanders and donald trump campaign would be a nightmare for the democratic party because trump would rightfully paint sanders as a socialist and that will be all anybody hears. joe biden is still the guy to watch, reverend, but i don't know if he's getting in or not. and amy klobuchar has been a disappointment because i thought she would do a lot better given she's from the midwest. i thought she acquitted herself well during the kavanaugh hearings, but she's not doing well in the polls. she's still at 2%. right now my money is on kamala harris. >> what do you say, david, about the host of candidates?

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run it for the very first time. squared up in the mayoral runoff is lori lightfoot, former head of the chicago police board against toni preckwinkle, president of the cook county board of commissioners. the latest poll out of chicago has lightfoot leading 53% to 17% with nearly 30% of voters undecided going into the election day. as i mentioned at the top of the show, i'm in chicago where earlier i was honored by the reverend jesse jackson's rainbow push coalition. he and i also met with both candidates as he called for civility as for the rhetoric and the personal attacks that have escalated from both camps ahead of tuesday's historic vote. joining me now is the reverend jesse jackson, founder and president of rainbow push coalition and lynn sweet, "chicago sun-times" washington bureau chief. good to have you with us and thank you for the honor today. about him i go to you and then

the local politics, wednesday is the 51st anniversary of the assassination of dr. martin luther king who meant to you as many of us, you were there in memphis when dr. king when he was assassinated. assess to us what you see today, 51 years rarity in the achieving of dr. king's goals and those of you that continued that. >> his signature work was the right to vote. we've seen a magnificent change in america since that time. from the balcony in memphis, tennessee, the balcony of the white house where president obama stood, we've seen in the trump -- he's a moral darkness but the light has been shining so brightly. to have african-american judges in houston, for example. chicago, it seemed to be

intractable. you have an african-american mayor tuesday, african-american state's attorney, and state's attorney general and lieutenant governor and secretary of state and treasurer and county clerk. magnificent growth because the vote and coalitions. now, the gap between the have and have-nots has gotten wider. a child can't get health care and cost of living. there have been tremendous increases. i watched clemson play alabama in california. clemson, i remember when harvard went to clemson with federal guards, when the school in south carolina, federal guards there at clemson and then south carolina. now, these guys on the -- black

and white s were playing together. there's a big game you choose -- there's something that may occur in spite of the moral darkness coming from the white house. >> you had today both of the two candidates that will be -- one will be elected the mayor of chicago on tuesday. and you had them sign pledging, and i signed as a witness, that they would deal with less ack moanmy, personal attacks. it's been very bitter. >> but the election is over tuesday night and the healing must begin on wednesday morning. they will have a joint press conference on wednesday. let the healing begin process. if the polls set up -- if lori lightfoot becomes mayor based on

that projection, they'll be working in the same building. they must work together to make government work. and it will work. they must be determined to end -- there's been a hot battle in the last few days. >> is this a chicago thing? is this particularly acrimonious to you? >> no, no. and good luck, reverend jackson. we have unity breakfasts. lori lightfoot and toni preckwinkle are going to share a fifth floor of the cook county city hall building. it's one building and they're just going to make it work, even if they don't like each other for a while. rahm emanuel, the current mayor, and toni preckwinkle are not particularly close and they have a working agreement. so i think the city has more

problems than whether or not how much and how well toni preckwinkle and lori lightfoot get along if lightfoot is elected mayor, as it seems that's the trajectory that it's on right now. it's on right now. >> it is interesting. it is kind of like obama and hillary. hillary ran on experience and barack ran on change. the committee man and the cook county chair, and the cook county democratic chair. >> i want to point that out if i could just take a pause, i know you introduced the cook county board chair, but for someone that started in the liberal politics of the chicago southside neighborhood, he is evolved into a political boss. he is is also the chair of the cook county democratic party,

that makes it a boss of what is left from the machine. i don't know, it is not just the establishment versus an outsider, because lori lightfoot worked in city hall and worked around. it has been positioned more if i could just suggest that he is is accused of being a corporate lawyer, he is says it as if it was a smlur and he is shoots bak that he is is a boss. all of these women hold very progressive, political, and governmental policies. >> yeah, but in the scenario unfolds, they have been part of the political machine, and you inherit a lot of a lot of

acrimonious commentary of the trial, and it has been typical of prosecutorial discretion. for mcdonald, the kid shot 16 times, the days covered during an election, his killer got 84 years. these kind of emotional charges and disparities have played into this election big time. >> let me bring it up for chicago. it is twice groundbreaking and historic. how do you look at this field, it is a convention as you will be one of the speakers, what do you see in the field, and what do you think they bring to the american public. >> they have a racial justice, can to inner city development,

because the votes increasingly come in from exslave states. that is a new dynamic, and coming out of this is a movement, a new majority emerged. blacks can vote, white women can serve on juries. that is not the majority of the country. when they come together, they elected obama twice, and they have been having a hour. i think health care is so vital. i think -- i resent calling it obama care, and that the design was to put a target in it. people who were interested in health care. and that is not one of the -- it just does not make sense. we should stop caulking affordable health care obama care. it is a mistake that plays into the hands of the right wing.

>> do you think anyone will break out of the pack for the presidential run? >> did you ask me that reverend? >> yes. >> right now it is just too soon. i listened to beto o'rourke on his announcement speech today, and i didn't hear anything that would ad to whatever appeal he has within democrats. i any you need to let this play out. that is why some of the major donors for people that need fundraising and can't do it just online are giving donations to multiple candidates to give seed money. think of it as venture political capital so they can just go for awhile. everyone has not been vetted. >> early on, beto has a certain swagger, and charisma cannot be

ignored, can joe biden take the field of change, he is going to unveil some of his past and he has the right credentials, but i'm not sure he has the newness their searching for. >> thank you, up next my final thoughts. stay with us. thoughts can

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many have said to me reverend, while you're dealing with the racial divide, are you obsessed with race and voter rights and with immigration. the fact is that too many in america have been obsessed with those issues that we therefore become the victims of an unfair and unequal treatment. people need to major in the major problems. so that it would not be an obsession, but it would be something moving toward a solution. so ignore them will never make an even playing field. yes i was born in this country, a member of a race that was treated unfairly. i wasn't obsessed with it, the country is obsessed with that, which is why i have the unfairness to deal with it my whole life. they must be obsessed with solving what they were born into

and had no fault in the arrangement. that does it for me, thank you for watching, i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of politics nation. up next, "deadline white house" with me friend and colleague nicolle wallace. >> hi, everyone, it is 4:00 in new york. bill barr notifying congress that he will release robert mueller's report by april. senate judiciary committees. i share your desire to insure that the public had the opportunity to read the special report.