that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. andrea mitchell reports starts now. right now, all access pass. a chinese national walks into the president's private club in fl wi florida with a bag full of cell phones, a laptop, a thumb drive with malware and no swim suit for a pool party that wasn't happening. >> it's like this is a vacation home. this is actual series business and national security business being done there. trading places. president trump mocks know biden for allegations of inappropriate touching although not sexual in nature as the democrat race is turned up side down. >> welcome to the world, joe. you having a good time, joe? are you having a good time?

winds of change. the city that the daily machine made famous goes from rahm emmanu emmanuel. the third largest city will be run by an african-american gay mayor. >> together we can and will make chicago a place where your zip code doesn't determine your destiny. good day. the white house is facing tough questions about a security breach at mara-a-lago. authorities say the breach at mr. trump's resort occurred when a chinese woman lied to gain entry presenting two passports telling club security she was going to the pool and repeatedly

changing her story. in her position, four cell phone, laptop, external thumb drive and hard drive with malware. the president was not on the premises. joining me is kristen welker. first to you, kristen, what is going on there? obviously the security is not exactly up to par. >> reporter: this raises significant security concerns. there's no doubt about that. the president has spent dozens of weekends at mar-a-lago. the white house not commenting yet. the secret service say after undergoing screening at the second check point the individual in question per club protocol was immediately met by club reception.

the staff determined that the individual should not have been authorized access by their staff and secret service agents took immediate action resulting in the arrest of the individual. really underscoring the fact this person was intercepted before there was any damage that could be done. raising serious security concerns about this place where the president spends so much time. the fact the president was th e there, the first lady there while all of this unraveling. >> the issue is security because she could have been spying as well. that's what we're talking about. >> reporter: right. she had those cell phones that you referenced. all of that equipment with her. that's the big question. the concern about this individual gaining access who could have had bad intentions, getting onto the property of

mar-a-lago. >> i want to talk to you and kristen about white house security clearances. this is not the first time we heard about it. nbc was on out on front with it with jared kushner and ivanka. the oversight committee now talking to patricia nubold who is a whistle blower, career person who went to the committee and interviewed by peter alexander. >> what happened to you inside? >> the most recent suspension, 14 days unpaid. probably the worst one s the retaliation against my disability so moving the security files out of my reach. not once, not twice, three times. moving other office equipment auto out of my reach. >> literally putting on shelves

you can't reach? >> yes. it was definitely humiliating. >> how did it make you feel to have that experience? >> humiliated. it didn't stop me from doing what is right. >> at least a career person. 18 years. republican and democratic white houses on security clearances. how many protocols were violated here just on the face of it by this white house regarding security credit risks not evaluated? >> they are too numerous to count. i think it's a serious issue that congress needs to look at quite closely and press hard, the white house too for answers. the career officials and personal security office take their job seriously, for good reason. people who are granted access to our most sensitive national secrets have to be reliable, dependable people who we can have confidence that they are going to do everything in their power and are capable of maintaining those secrets and not subject to some type of

compromise or foreign influence. these are not people who are looking to say no with respect to granting clearances. they are looking with high degree of rigor but they want to help any incoming president make sure he has the staff that he wants around him but also that they are suitable. the fact that their judgment was overruled that many times as a former white house counsel, is really stunning to me. >> the other piece is we thought from previous reporting it might have involved his family members that after john kelly and all those reports that kelly, as chief of staff, was upset about the clearances and put a hold on those clearances. according to this whistle blower's account, we're talking about 25 people. basic protocols including the credit problems that you just cited. >> right. it's hard to imagine what the

possible, reasonable explanation for that would be other than these protocols that are sort of tested throughout, they're apolitical protocols. this is nothing to do about partisan politics. it's about who is suited to have access to the most sensitive classified information that our nation possesses. >> kristen welker, this woman going back to the first mar-a-lago issue. she was arrested. she was brought into fbi custody. i guess the reception called for help or for security. are they changed the security? it ought to be ramped up and not just left to the private security guards? >> reporter: something they will have to look at. the secret service makes the point that really ultimately that first level of security is up to mar-a-lago.

the secret service says they do not determine who is allowed to enter the club. you would anticipate that's what's happening as we speak. >> thank you both so much. freshman democratic congresswoman is on the hill. you just heard both of these issues. what comes to mind for you? >> i think we're looking at the case in mar-a-lago. how are we protecting ourselves from threats? that's the real challenge here of the reports of this woman entering mar-a-lago with multiple cell phones, malware on a thumb drive. this looks very suspicion to me. i think it's a real challenge. it demonstrates there is potentially a vulnerability that

not only could someone gain access of the compounds and some of the president's associates but people are trying to do so. >> one of the issues is there was confusion from the -- about her name from the locals. one of the people trying to influence her or basic ses to gain access to the president. >> there's the challenge. if they are someone intent on trying to gain access to someone close to the president or someone associated with the president, foreign intelligence services will use any means possible including trying to enter a social club to make more of a friendly, social style

engagement with those who might be dloes tclose to the presiden. there's always intelligence threats against anyone who might be in a circle of someone who has access to valuable information. i think this is a real clear example where we should be recognizing that we need to be much more cognizant of these threats and inform some of the choices the president makes and associates and recognize they are targets. >> in fact, the patio was once an obvious potential target when the japanese prime minister and his wife were there are if a weekend and there was a rocket firing, test firing from kim jong-un. they were in a table on tennessee patio surrounded by club members taking pictures as the president was spreading out maps and having a rough national

security meeting and deciding on his response to north korea. there are all sorts of question that legal authority rests with the president. he can overrule anyone he wants. as we understand it, the cia did draw the line on one thing which was come partmentalized security clearance for jared kushner. he does have top secret but not the most top secret. is that your understanding as well? >> that is my understanding. my background as a former cia case officer, i had a top secret compartmented clearance. it took me a little over three years to get that clearance from start to finish. that clearance allowed me to have access to the nation's most valuable information as it was necessary for me to do my job. that piece is really important here because we need those who are add vvocating to have acceso the valuable information that

will inform their conversations, engagement and i think it is worrisome that not all of the advisers closest to the president might have access to that top level information. i do think that ensuring that people who have access to classified information have the highest level or the necessary security clearances is vital to our national interests. it shouldn't be partisan issue. some of the things that are looked at is their ability to have access to that information, vulnerabilities that may exist. whether or not someone could fall prey to an individual wo wa -- who wants to get that information to them. it is incredibly worrisome and should be a non-partisan issue that under any presidency, there would be so many security clearances provided to those who might not otherwise be granted security clearances. >> i also just want to ask you about the speech you just heard from the nato secretary general

because it seemed to me that this was a very clear message from congress from mitch mcconnell and speaker pelosi. an invitation to address the joint meeting of congress, unprecedented for nato secretary general. this is a message that nato matters in contradiction to a lot of things the president said. >> nato does matter. we are coming upon the 70th anniversary. nato is vital to u.s. interests. it's vital to our europeancanad. i think it's important that we continue to affirm that nato is important. we introduce legislation affirming the value of nato, recognizing the value of nato. most notably article five, the common defense, article five has been invoked once. that was after september 11th.

our nato allies joined with us and have joined us on the battlefield. nato allies have died in defense of our freedom and in response to the attacks that were perpetrated on u.s. soil. >> they're still dying along side our people in afghanistan. thank you so much. thanks for being with us today. >> thank you so much. coming up, under fire. joe biden facing two more allegations of inappropriate touching while president trump takes aim at the former vice president. >> stay with us right here on andrea mitchell reports right here on msnbc. n andrea mitchell reports right here on msnbc. who's got the time to chase around down dirt, dust and hair? so now, i use heavy duty swiffer sweeper and dusters. for hard-to-reach places, duster makes it easy to clean. it captures dust in one swipe. ha! gotcha! and sweeper heavy duty cloths lock away twice as much dirt and dust. it gets stuff deep in the grooves other tools can miss. y'know what? my place... is a lot cleaner now.

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our former vice president, i was going to call him, i don't know him well. i was going to say welcome to the world, joe. you having a good time, joe? are you having a good time? i said general, come here. give me a kiss. i felt like joe biden. i meant it. i meant it. big difference. >> the president clearly enjoying this at a republican fund-raiser last night. the president jabbing at joe biden over those allegations from now four women saying he made them uncomfortable with inappropriate, although not sexual touching at political events over the years. one woman who spoke first to the

new york times d.j. hill said she met with the president in 2012 at a fund-raiser and described biden touching her during a photo op. >> as we were waiting for the picture, there was small talk. his hand went from my shoulder and started down my back. it was one of those things where i'm going, okay. this is making me feel uncomfortable and then as a woman, i'm going, but this is the president or vice president of the the united states. he wouldn't do something untoward, right? >> will all this change his decision to get into the race and how are the other 2020 candidates shaping up in the money primary? joining me now elise jordan, former white house aide and msnbc political analyst and jeremy peters and msnbc contributor. welcome both. what is your take away of all of

this? how politically damaging is it? >> i think it's pretty bad. i think democrats have to make the choice do they want to have a contrast with donald trump. i'm in no way equating what joe biden is accused of with the accusations that have been levelled against donald trump. we saw this play out in the alabama special election with roy moore and al franken allegations, pictures surfaced and democrats pressured him to step down. i think that was the right call then. we'll have to see if there is a big deal that they will allow their primary and front-runner to shape the debate in this way. >> there's certainly no comparison to roy moore. >> absolutely not. i'm saying they had an issue within the vain, coming up and

so the party had to decide how seriously they were going to take anything not comparing or equating the two at all. >> of all people, lindsey graham has come out defending joe biden. take a look. >> i think he's one of the most decent people i've ever met. i don't believe for a second that he meant to do anything wrong and i can understand why people took it differently than he meant. this may be a lesson from all of under the circumstances. from my point of view joe has been the same, kind, he's joe. joe biden is my friend. i know him very well. whatever he did was inappropriate but was not driven by malice or misconduct. >> we all know joe biden. his empathy and affection is

exactly why he is in such contrast to other politicians and to donald trump. >> it's exactly why he's going to be so problematic as a candidate for president. elise said something when she talks about the al franken accident. >> kirsten gillibrand and others jumped to throw him off the edge because they wanted a 100% clean slate to go up against roy moore. if you're going to go up against donald trump, 12 women saying he behaved badly, very kredsable claims he denied in 2016 plus the access hollywood tape he's

really the perfect candidate to counter point with donald trump. >> in a lot of ways he is. he's somebody that the punch at trump in way that others would struggle to do with presence. presence is a big thing when going up against donald trump. a physical presence. a lot of democrats were upset with the way that played out. they still hold that against her. the way they cleared the decks there so they could go after roy moore and trump, seemed to be overly political. the reason it's hard conversation for democrats to have now is they didn't have the conversation during al franken about what is the difference between what somebody like roy moore or harvey weinstein and what franken did. now with biden they are starting to have that conversation. it's hard one.

i think it needs to be had. sg noon s . >> nancy pelosi said it's how people take the advance or the touching. it's not how you intend it. if he runs, he would have to change his whole style of campaigning. we'll have to leave it there. power play. the how judiciary committee votes to approve subpoenas for the full mueller report. this is andrea mitchell reports only on msnbc. s andrea mitchell only on msnbc. discover. hi, what's this social security alert? it's a free alert if we find your social security number on the dark web. good, cuz i'm a little worried about my information getting out. why's that? [bird speaking] my social is 8- 7- 5 dash okay, i see. [bird laughing] somebody thinks it's hilarious. free social security alerts from discover.

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a political slug fest on capitol him for the second straight day. tempers flares over democrats subpoena for the full mueller report. jerry nadler has the full authority to issue the subpoenas as warranted. >> we're dealing now not with the president's private affairs but a sustained attack by the president and his closest advisers. the econocommittee requires the

report because it's our job, not the attorney general's, to determine whether or not president trump has abused his office. >> i can't find anything so i'm going to blow up everything and maybe something will come to the top. this committee is better than this. it was the janet reno justice department after the starr report was written that rewrote the regulations. starr, mueller. two different things. >> nbc capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt joins me with the latest. we're reliving the '90s all over again. it was a different law then but they unloaded boxes and boxes and gave them to the republicans, the democrat, all the underlying material about bill clinton. >> reporter: that's right. forgive me if our viewers are hearing what sounds like a fire alarm. it's not. someone has opened the wrong door here at the capitol. i apologize for that. to your point, that's exactly

right. there were reams of information including some grand jury jf information that has been given to congress. democrats pointed more to the wat wat watergate precedent. what you saw was about ken starr and the information he provided. it's a different law that was actually rewritten from lessons learned in the ken starr report. for democrats, this is really about trying to put as much pressure on the attorney general while they are still going through that process of redacting these documents to try and use what leverage they have. nadler has not said when he will issue the subpoenas. he told us it will be in short order. >> thank you very much. kasie hunt starting us on this

subject. great to have you here. you're the author of the new book doing justice. a prosecutor's thoughts on crime, punishment and the rule of law. can't think of anyone better equipped to write that book given your experience as a prosecutor in the southern district of new york. >> thank you. good to be here. >> let's talk first about the subpoenas. will this tactic work? do you think william barr is under any pressure because can he resist the subpoena? can he cite executive privilege? grand jury? other secrecy provisions. >> he has an assortment of things he can assert from executive privilege to inclusion of classified information on ongoing investigations. all sorts of things. usually some negotiation and accommodation ensues and you have some portions of things

that are revealed and that depends on what the public sentiment is and how much people in the country want to have the information. in this case it's sort of odd that bill barr said in two weeks or less we'll see some version redacted and maybe, i don't hold out a lot of hope, but it may be largely unredacted but the public and congress get a good sense of what's in it and maybe the accommodation with respect to the subpoenas can be negotiated in a way that's satisfactory to everybody. if you have a fight and a full on show down between the white house and the congress, these things take a long time to run their way through the court. it could be a long day, if it's the case he decides to redact a lot. >> what about bill barr. >> you know the man and his reputation. he did seem in that four page summary, if you will, to be give

giving himself the authority to make a decision about obstruction of justice which is something that clearly robert mueller left very much up in the air. do you think that robert mueller was really saying in the unredacted report that it was up to the attorney general, a political appointee to make that key decision if there were arguments on both sides of obstruction? >> it's up with of these odd parlor games we have been trying to infer from a four-page letter that looks like a bit of a gloss. it's only a fraction of the underlying report that's almost 400 pages to figure out what must be bob mueller's intent and if there's any language in the underlying mueller report that indicates who you wanted to make the final decision on obstruction. i think the evidence suggests that he did not want bill barr to do it. he thought within the justice department, the person who had the responsibility to make a conclusion on obstruction was bob mueller and he had the final word in the department. that seems to be the logical

inference because the special counsel statute. bill barr stands in an basic ward position because he's the hand picked attorney general of the president. who should make a decision once he didn't. it doesn't seem he would have intended bill bar to make a decision. not to criticize bob mule who are i have enormous respect for, he could have made his intention known in the document and we would be in a different position. if he said i can't make the decision, there's no crime i are state with certainty but doesn't exonerate the president, therefore, i think as the founders envisioned, et cetera, there's a mechanism for holding the president accountable. they should look at it. that would have solved a lot of this. it seems he didn't do that

either. >> you talked to the president during transition when still in office. did you get the impression he was trying to sound you out and that he was likely pressuring people like you who had authority over these investigations before you made the decision to fire you? >> it's not clear. it's very unusual for a sitting president or president-elect to call and talk to united states attorney who does not have any personal relationship with him and who has jurisdiction over the business, the foundation and all sorts of other things when there's calls to investigate. i was uncomfortable with those calls. when he called me after he became president, i didn't return the call. 22 hours later i was asked to resign and fired the next day. the evidence from other occasions and other things we have seen is the president likes to cultivate folk kwhos has who loyalty to him and can help him

out in a pinch. with respect to the person who succeeded me, who recused himself from michael cohen investigation, we have evidence donald trump asked the then acting attorney general, matt whittaker, if he would recuse himself. he should have a helpful relationship with the person that leads up that office. was he doing that with me? i can't say for certain. i have more than educated guess that over time that's what he probably wanted. >> very briefly, if you can, from what we know, just the public record regarding james comey, do you think a case could have been made on obstruction if not for the office of legal counsel rules on not prosecuting a sitting president? >> i'm not going to second guess bob mueller's determination. i'm really anxious, as are you, not only because i get these questions constantly but i'm an

interested private citizen. reasonable people can differ on whether you brought the case. that what it seems like bob mueller indicated. there was a lot of evidence of obstruction. there was some mitigating circumstances and defenses that may be plausible. any time you have a close case, by definition that mean there is was substantial evidence of the crime. he just, at the end of the day, this happens with cases we had in the southern district, at the end of the day it's too close and maybe you give the benefit of the doubt the defendant but reasonable people can differ about close questions. it seems to me that by definition, that somebody could have decided to go ahead and prosecute putting aside the policy you can't prosecute or indict a sitting president. >> pleasure to have you. the book is "doing justice." thank you so much. coming up, late night kpl d medians have too much to work with after a day of head scratching comments yesterday. fd scratching comments yesterday.

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i hope they now go and take a look at the oranges of the investigation. the mueller report, i wish covered the oranges how it started. if you have any wind mill near your house, congratulations. your house just went down 75% in value. they say the noise causes cancer. you tell me that one. okay. >> the green new deal done by a young bartender, 29 years old. a young bartender, wonderful young woman. >> from oranges to wind mills to jabs at freshman congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez. that's just a sampling of president trump's head spinning comments yesterday. joining me now is political director chuck todd, moderator of meet the press host of mtp

daily and host of the new chuck todd cast. a new podcast launching today. >> it rhymed so we had to. >> you rihyme. the president hasn't. >> can you imagine if he tried a little hip hop and do a little rhyme? he'll do jeff sessions impersonations. >> what is going on here? >> he's -- well -- he just wants to run. he wants to be in his own mode all the time. we try to figure out his deep motive. does anybody think there's a deep motive other than getting through the day, entertaining himself through the day. i think we try so hard to look for some larger grand scheme when everything is the moment. it's about getting a laugh line in the moment.

it's about okay, i want to shut down the border. they're not cooperating with me so let's just shut down the border and that will make them cooperate. what's amazing to me is there's one of two things happening inside the white house. either there's a whole bunch of people who are not competent about how to manage a white house or they are competent and their whole job is to keep him from doing things like shutting down the border. i'm starting to think it's truly more the latter. look at kevin having to do a presentation. he's the chief economist for the president. explaining the consequences for shutting down the border. >> his base. >> this is what the white house staff has to spend its day on. preventing him from causing biller politicbil bigger political headache. >> look at tweet today. this would be a great issue. i never asked mitch mcconnell

for a vote before the election as incorrectly reported as usual. last week is when he started pumping out this business about getting -- >> i assume this is done for his prime time narrative writers. he's able to re-write history so he's re-writing history on this health care. those of us who live in this reality, as you just said, you just said this but you realize that for a certain group of people, whatever he says is, is. it doesn't matter. >> as your polling shows so well as we saw on meet the press. >> he is. >> what is with joe biden? take the temperature now. nancy pelosi said something very significant. it's not disqualifying but he has to do better on the apology front. you're hearing so much from other candidates who are all

taking advantage and trump jumping into it made clear, donald trump has thought joe biden was his biggest threat. >> if joe biden wants to be president of the united states, he needs to stop pandsering. he needs to stop feeling sorry for himself. just do something. decide. if you have something to say, say it. don't do it through a statement. the worst thing he's doing sletislet i -- is letting everybody else talk about it. everybody is weighing in except joe biden. if you believe the voters will forgive this, they may not forget but they will forgive it. i think he can make that argument. go do it already. stop being defined. the longer he sort of stays out of this race, he would have an easier time managing this problem if he were in the race doing events day-to-day. other candidates wouldn't get asked as much.

i don't know if it's debilitating or not. in my head i go back and forth. >> there's been no counter argument. >> if he wants to be president of the yiunited states stop waffling. make a decision and get in. >> come on out here. >> the water is only going -- the water will be warmer than it feels now. it will still be a little chilly but warmer than it feels right now. >> chuck todd. thank you very much. >> come listen to chuck todd. you'll be on it quite a bit. you don't nope it yknow it yet. you know the great conversations during the commercial break. >> yes. >> that's what we're going to put on the podcast. it's the raw material. we don't mind if we're quoted but it's not necessarily television ready, which is the best kind of ready. >> exactly. chuck todd cast. love it. thank you. make sure to check out chuck's new podcast. next, making his case the nato chief addressing a joint

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but also by the number of its friends. >> that was the nato secretary general, addressing a joint meeting of congress, the first ever by a nato leader after receiving a joint invitation by mitch mcconnell and house speaker nancy pelosi. this seen as a rebuke to president trump's criticism of the alliance. joining me now is retired navy admiral, a former nato supreme allied commander. this is a big deal. nato's 70th, you were one of the people who kept it going when times were tough. that was such a pointed message also by a very calm, deliberate man, jens stoltenberg, saying that the strength of a nation is not just in its moneybags. >> and he's completely correct of course.

i took two things away from the speech, one was, the fact of it, quite remarkable, historic, and a big signal that the nation, the united states of america, as represented by its congress -- >> elected people. >> is right there with this alliance. and by the way, polling shows 9 out of ten americans support the alliance. jens stoltenberg walked through the challenges for nato ahead. pretty good list, russia we got to worry about. we got to wrap up in afghanistan, we got to defend that southern border where we see syria and the bubbling mess down there. look north to the arctic. it sounds to me like an alliance with a real agenda going forward. >> people should not forget that article five the military response voted by the atlantic

council has only been done once and that was after 9/11. >> that is absolutely correct. and i was the commander for four years as you know, and sadly, i lost 2000 troops under my command -- >> 2000? >> 2000, during the four years i was there. one-third of them were europeans. and i wrote every one of those condolence letters. the europeans stood and delivered for us after 9/11. we ought to stand with them this alliance, this transatlantic bridge has been creeking a little bit, but it's the most stable thing in the international order. we need to treasure it. >> i was having a conversation with a nato ally, a former defense minister, and the inside story of what happened at those nato meetings when the president of the united states interrupted angela merkel, interrupted the

other ministers and tried to take over the meeting in one of the sub meetings. and basically, you know, read the riot act about they're not spending enough money. >> indeed. and he also famously pushed aside one of the leaders as they were walking into the new building. those are terrible, terrible atmospherics. here's the good news, at the level below the presidency, it's rock solid. the jim mattis as secretary of defense, his connectivity, acting secretary shanahan, very connected. above all, the military to military connections are rock solid and that is going to be the strength of the alliance going forward. >> thanks to you for all that you've done in this regard. it's always great to see you. >> great sooeeing. >> coming up, a new era for the city of chicago, stay with us. w city of chicago, stay with us.

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an historic time in chicago, the city will be led by an african-american woman, lori lightfoot, a former federal prosecutor and political newcomer, swept to a victory becoming the city's first openly gay mayor. in the aftermath of that

tragedy, a surge in actism challenging the political establishment and after a year marked with critiques, the mayor did not seek a third term. that does it for today for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports," here's "velshi & ruhle." >> i wonder about being elected mayor of chicago. it's a huge accomplishment and i'm not sure it gets better for anybody after that. it's a hard city to be the mayor of. >> i think winning is the high point. and the next day you're going, oh, my gosh. >> hello, everyone. >> it is wednesday, april 3rd, let's get smarter. >> security is what is most important. >> president trump repeating his threat to close the border with mexico. it could have a dramatic impact on many