files from michael cohen, if there really are telephone recordings on there nong the things that might have been on a computer, whether or not it's helpful with the investigation, this is going to wind up ak narrative of his years with dpt, preserved in detail i'm sure. president could never have imagined. it's going to be incredible for historians and fascinating for us. >> and copies of those are wi with -- we've got the spoiler. >> to all our viewers out there, you, too, can sign up for the news letter." e news letter. "morning joe" starts right now. we've run a campaign like nobody's ever seen, but then america's never seen a candidate like herman crane. we need you to get involved

because together we can do this. we can take this country back. ♪ i am america, one voice united we stand ♪ ♪ i am america, one voight. >> oh, he's back! president trump says he wants herman cain, the former pizza executive and 2012 president debs candidate for a seat on the board of the federal reserve. >> that's one way to end it. that guy, willie geist, that guy makes steven moore look like a combination between adam smith and alan greenspan. like, i mean, when you've got somebody next to you going "nine, nine, nine" on the fed, suddenly stephen moore is going,

ooh, all the stuff i said about donald trump, didn't serve on it. >> he did serve on the board. massical add. . what was the point of the cigarette drag? what was the message there? i don't know what the point was. >> i don't know. all i know is it made me vote for him three times that year. that cigarette drag. >> good morning. it is friday. no, joe, i'm worried. don't talk. >>. >> denis: hold for smile. >> kenny: maybe they can play there maybe that smile will inspire the red sox to start winning. >> how are you yankees doing? as bad as us? >> they finally won yesterday but the red sox and yankees are

handling in the. >> exactly. put the storm shutters up right now, mike. the season's over. so mir it didn't. >> no. plus the fact, first of all, nobody goes to see tampa bay. the fans stay away from droves and they are a model for what major league baseball teams ought to do and still they're right there. that are kpe just like the red sox, willy, unlike you yankees, we operate on a.

i think all of america is rooting for the yankees and the red sox, these two little team at the bottom of the division, as we talk about them of day for the unless. >> okay. along with joe, willie and me, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle, unfortunately. >> wow. ooh. >> and langman. raising the game we have republican strategies and msnbc political analyst susan leless is just sick of us and our voks about hmm being pb.

>> well, we're going to keep doing it because we don't care. so congressional democrats have formally responded to the reports that special counsel robert mueller's investigators were frustrated that attorney general william's bar on l and fill telling "the washington post" that it up that they could be made public. and two people telling the post that "bar" mott releasing them has particularly -- this is important because who would put together a report and to a soon tells nbc news that the report include and that while muler

found no coordination or criminal conspiracy, the official said, some on the special counsel's team say his findings paint a pictures of a campaign whose members were manipulated with so, willie, we're going to be getting in a moment the fact that received absolutely no balance from the william bar attempt. to whitewash his client. he got no bump whatsoever. and i actually think reading these stories show what many of us expected at the time, that the trump team and right wingers on twitter would overplay their hands. and they have overplayed their hands. i mean, there's evidence that's

going to be coming ut there were manipulated by members of either the russian government or russian intelligence. and bar san feised downversion of and we can probably. you a. >> it's what we've been saying all along, the release the report, resand the attorney general has agreed to do that. wep including "the new york times" story and his team the.

they did not dispute the claim of no collusion. they agreed bob mueller could not find evidence of a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russians, but there is mr., we know about all these things out in the open that point to some kind of cooperation between these two entities. we just need to see the report and all that's in there. i assume that with the pressure that's going be being put on, this document will do that. >> it's not just collusion or a crime for a conspiracy but if could be cooperation. it could be, more importantly, complies about what william before my god, where has he been

the. his argument, and i say f number -- hey, listen, i don't want to talk about it! that was i was a public servant -- the fact that i was a public servant on television, no, i don't want to talk about it. i don't want to talk about it. >> it was an incredible ride. i was scaring at newt gingrich at this point pent. owe it is such a joke for william barr, the attorney general, to say i can't allowed some of this information go out to sarah huckabee sanders

because some of it is mike approximately we looked at mess tomorrow to decide what attorney general to decide whether the chairman of the judiciary committee can handle classified information. it's not up to him to decide whether elijah come ychl. it's not as if. as it pertains to foreign policy, as it her nn like we did when kim star released the entire report to congress. >> well, first of all, crow saul no, no.

don't want to spoke about it. having spoken, i'm told repeatedly that bars's basically three-stage issue that he wor d worked. is that within the report -- again, i'm told -- >> that mueller has go ahead can indp donald jr.ier saying i love it. sfrm encouraging the russians, being duped by the russians is

not indictable. on the obstruction pal i'm told there are serious blocks of evidence that bob mueller and his team put together and the previous report is here's what you found, you decide what you want to do with it. >> i don't think. congress. congress! >> this destruct the, yes, it's very difficult obviously to legally prove conclusion, but will but we have an attempt to be a tn nachblt and these are two efforts to get documents that could illuminate the degree to which trump's business dealings may have intersecond with russian national interest. so until we get this voluminous amount of information, we can't really jump to any conclusions, whether it's yes, there was

collusion or bob barr's collusion that in fact there was nothing there been the only question i'm lingering with and maybe there was a legal reason he had to do this, is why barr went so quicklies with this? >> there was no legal reason. >> it was a p.r. reason. >> there's no legal reason whatsoever. the reason is that donald trump has been wanting a roy cone. he has stated it publicly. he's wanted a roy cone as an attorney general who put his personal interests ahead of the interests of the country. he has found that with robin bar. because susan del percio. there are far more important standards than just legal standards. there is a standard of what is best for the public interest. there are standards that involve what the public mass a right to know. if the president of the it may

not be a it could be legal. it could be morally wrong, but more important than that, it could be dangerous. we american, are you listening, mr. attorney general? are you listening, mitch mcconnell. we americans have a right to know if our president was compromised in any way and we have a right to know the nature of the relieationship between t government of russia and oligarchs outside of russia and attorneys connected with the russian government and our president. and just because it doesn't reach a certain legal threshold does not mean for one moment that every single american has a right to see that report. susan, i'll let you take it from

there. >> well, i agree with that obviously. but we almost need to return what happened so it doesn't happen again. the russians found a naive campaign, they infiltrated it potentially. the collusion that went on was a separate question. but we know russia interfered with our elections and we have no wur coming up years. at the same time the way this has been handled by the attorney general pip i realize there was a from so i almost understand it except then they had to release the report right after. because this timeline just unacceptable. and i think that there will be a lot of information that comes out in in a report that the public will be shocked to know because there's so much already baked, in whether it be no collusion that the president's

been saying for the last two years or the other public trfgs, like that could be a rool. there's a lot of questions about the way the attorney general handled it and we need to know if it was unsearchable opinion and i think when we get to see, and we should be able to see the parts of the report that the mueller team prepared for the ma and keep in mind the attorney general did include a quote saying this is not an exoneration in his summary or whaef want to call it, it is trump who is lying about this report being a complete -- as joe mentioned, he was congress a week after william barr's summary was pook.

>> that's what's, himself new piece for mbc news, trump 's average approval rating has climbed only 1/10th to 1 percentage point. meanwhile, every one of trump's modern presidential predecessors saw their approval rating across 60% at some point during their first term, but twum you know a bit aboutnd what is happening to this brand what's your best guess? >> there's two where trump

doesn't go any lower, doesn't go any higher. my cynical view of the mueller report going forward is we're going to stee 50 more incidences of construction are going to go that's disyet you know what, they're out to get him. eif and we know it's going to be a vile s ds did with zwrs the i mack big difference as the democrats more forward to 2020. we've got to beat the drums on

this and continue to get it out here. >> joe, let me finish. >> no, no! >> to who knew you were in congress? can youa can sundays. to beginish my point, finish. >> i do not believe politically nor where what twh as we go to the polls, i just don't want p we're heading to a somewhat nonevent. >> interesting. >> willie, one of the worst things you can do in politics is

overset. and donald trump has oversold the findings of the mueller report before the mueller report even comes out. and i do think if this was in comes out and it is as negative as it appears to be and it seems like barr was covering up for the president or at least some of the white wash some. nas year facts, i think that do have an those margins have tightened up even more. so actually, this could have an impact on some voters who just say, my gosh, his attorney general's lying to us now. >> well, the democrat doesn't need too many votes. he needs about 77, 8,000 more

votes than hillary clinton got last time. so if there are enough those people who do care, that's an issue they may vote on. i think donnie almost on for you're in on that. you believe. from flb you believe he was includeding or people on his campai campaign. they look at the obstruction

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about him yesterday. trump announced yesterday he intends to tap herman cain for a seat on the fed. >> i've recommended herman cain. he's a terrific man, a terrific person. he's a friend of mine. i have recommended him highly for the fed. i've told my folks that's the man. he's doing some prechecking now and i would imagine he'd be in great shape. >> cain had previously joined the board of directors for the federal reserve bank of kansas city in 1992 serving as the board's chairman from 1995 to 1996. during the 2012 presidential campaign, cain faced sexual harassment allegations, which caused him to end his bid in 2011. cane denied the allegations, but they resulted in settlements by the national restaurant association, where he served as

ceo. trump's picks signal his push to put friendly faces on the fed, among his continued attacks against chairman jerome powell who the trump nominated for raising interest rates. >> willie, i don't know. his tam wayne many, many levels. >> it was a memorable one. since the president was elected been a reliable defender of president trump, which is usually why the president hires people. let's go back to december of 2011 and here on morning joe, as we crack open the vault, our farewell to herman cain when he dropped out of the presidential race. >> i am herman cain noet i will remember you

will you remember me ♪ >> my 999 plan. >> 999. >> it is the deep dish. >> wait not four. >> imagine there's no no -- "amazing grace" will always be without you. ah sucky ducky, i feel pretty good today. ♪ i am america, one voice united we stand ♪ >> let harman be harman, let mark be mark.

let people krm i'm sorry, but i meant wolf, okay? because prince's nancy sent it to committee and it stayed there. >> aw, shuck a ducky, as he would >>ou don't need to know a the details of the federal budget in order to be a good cheer. >> oh, backy stand stand. >> we need a reader, not a leader. >> i have never acted inappropriately with anyone. i don't even know who this woman is. >> there was no sex? >> no. >> i talked to a lot of people

and i believe "life can be a challenge. life can seem impossible when you hear in grin my heart and my heart will go on and on ♪ >> you know, joe, i forgot how long our good-bye to herman cain was. he's still with us, by the way. >> he was the precursor to the 2016 nominee. >> it's all right. >> if you looked at what he was doing the way he presented himself, the lounge act. that was a precursor to what showed up four years later. >> please, please, don't talk politics at a time like this.

>> oh, i'm sorry, joe. >> mike, the memories. i was thinking of redford and streisand and "the way we were." >> make it stop. >> then meeting again at the end. this is kind of like herman coming back into our life is kind of lick redford and streisand reaching out and just touching him on the cheek. >> no. no, it's not. >> i have to tell you, i feel the need to apologize to america for bringing such a level of sadness at this hour of the morning. i haven't been as moved since kevin costner said "let's play catch, dad." >> oh, yeah. >> that's the one that gets me. >> kills me. >> but the good news is i don't think he's going to make it throughout the proes and actually get this nomination i

do think this something we know the president drops people out there and tests them out. i think the backlash on this just to be serious for a moment will be -- >> let's be honest. this a ridiculous nomination. it's an independent board that's charged with overseeing our country's economies and to be est that's not a laughing matter. he paid settle money, they paid ndas. the watt and he gets a promotion. it's ridiculous. >> it is ridiculous. at this point if we don't laugh, we're going to friggin' cry. >> sam?

>>. >> why. let's play catch, dad. >> you were good, kim. you were good. >> let's just end this. what a movie. i got to show mika "field of dreams," mike. and you know what she's going to say? >> she'll walk out. >> i don't get it. what's a corn field? wait. where are they coming from? >> it's a top-five movie of all time. >> i get mad because i predict they're going to break up and oh great that by who has never watched drain owe appears for the first time in the while he's doing his rosary. >> i'm like can you just tell.

show me a movie i don't know what's going to happen and i'll be interested. "porkies 2." >> i actually have seen porkies. >> no. >> yes. i don't know why. >> i'm going to show her tonight "the sixth sense" because if she can figure that out -- >> is this, oh, yeah an, i see dead moments. and goes every day -- >> just stop. >> oh, that's an amazing movie. every day and she starts crying in the car. oh my god, what a great moment in movie history. i sound like chris matthews. 47. you remember that great movement and gary coop comes in and he

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we're going to keep talking movies just for one second. is that all right with you, mika? >> yeah. >> so, willie, we were talking with jay off camera. to to to toni colette, what a great actress she was, not only in "sixth sense" -- >> what about "little miss sunshine." >> she is spectacular. >> yeah. >> all right. >> i just want to ask mika a question. mika, so when you're watching

movies, we take them in kind of as entertainment. so for you just what ruins is, so for instance, you're watching "casablanca" and you know victor lazlo, you know she's going with him. >> i like to not know. i like to be entertained, be surprised and i don't want to know the person is going to walk in and they're going to get together and i want to be surprised. all of these movies are like formulas. they're like newscasts. that's why i like this show, because you have no idea what's going to happen. other than any other show. >> when this show first started, i told joe it's going to be a great show because it doesn't stay to form. it's got it's it's just like

movies. they hit their brakes. actually actually play the that you will never figure out. >> that's a joke, guys. that's grandpa. >> it's always the guy you think that did it. >> i am trying to play movies for her, like "godfather." i'm surprised she let me get her through the first two "godfather"s and martin sheen is so amazing in a "apocalypse now." >> can you please say i predict everything that happens before

himself first public appearance since multiple women made complaints with their discome are the away president trump teed a video, mocking blindful's taking the video and superimposing a fod owe and holding the shayrat of susan bayet, responded tweeting, "i see that you're not. >> with a film crew an official campaign how much in that i am

not running. >> okay, joining us now. >> we all can wait. >> yeah. check acc sfrp. >> >> oh, my gosh! >> you weren't there. >> joining us now -- please, please. joining us, helping us with some sanity, senior news correspondent wbur in boston and an msnbc contributor kimberly atkins and the co-founder of mike allen. >> he's tired. highs writing aing about. >> so, mika, if you invite us

over and you put out like some hot pockets to watchand you just warp mike allen, what do you got versus the legitimacy of his potential candidacy. >> we saw in that picture, great scoop from pennsylvania man, januaryor man, about him taping that commercial. we're told he wants to get full steam ahead, that they were missed about his coverage and they were upbeat. o o in addition to the is there

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that. >> kimberly, you say you don't want anyone but your boyfriend kissing you, hugging you and getting in your face. i brought up the fact that jimmy carter kissed jacqueline kennedy, in an opening of the library she was nod joe biden obviously comes from a different time and different criminal yrks skprrn can be zplrnl he's not going to have as much trouble explaining that or he is nor

going gags ffrmg i think at the end of the day nom what happened during the be eatia hill hearings. >> i this. there's a lot frrn i. and i'm a little surprised that it took as long as it did for nomina nominate. >>, chairman of the senate committee in total control of that, he's going to have to have a better answer to that. this isn't going to be a wake walk for him. he is very popular.

i'm not saying these things are going to be disqualifying, it's up to the voters. but i think he's going to very quick declare of a he gets it. >> kenny: i feel that the national one-on-one story to biden face is feels look psh pfrm and will in nch i be sfm? and his connection comes from life experience. it's deep. and i posted on instagram a story about some kids that my

best friend died of pan kree at being cancer and certainly in herd snrmt sflfrmt there was a lot touching, a lot of hugging a nrmt n and he had the personal sense to he could share that of himself. that's what he does. nobody has come up and daling h himmoney ah,. in? and they are working on it.

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♪ ♪ welcome back to "morning joe." it is friday, april 5th. mike barnicle, donny deutsch and susan del percio are still with us. joining us also, "new york times" writer nick often fessor and chief correspondent writer for "the new york times," good to have you us with ussi. peggy noon on opinion and bogey was telling joe brrn pb, how that party had change thunderstorm through the years. and basically she didn't quite

say this this we but she basically said mr. vice president, you're too good for these people, give it a pass. >> peggy writes in part, you will be judged to be old school, she's talking about joe biden here. you will be it's a world in the gas being for years alone. >> in moon, tone stylely, rat ari aring store railroad working people trying to unionize would be given a bost. there a being kbrs -- she comes

down on the side that, joe, you're too human to be a part of this party today. they don't want a human being like you who feels, who can cross the aisle, who can talk to people, who can say, yeah, mike pence is sort of a nice guy and then be forced to apologize for it. it's a very interesting piece and it's epertinent to what we've been talking about now for days on end about joe biden. i would just say this in conclusion, joe, that last year and the year before the media spent a lot of time thinking, writing and talking in a postmortem analysis of the way the coverage of the 2016 campaign was covered. people ka the timing about.

>> oh, my gosh. to say the lest. >> they like going down to del ver verse. sfrm -- maybe 55% want the

democratic party to go in a more moderate, a more centrist, a more accommodating way in the current election, at least according to the latest two or three polls out. >> yeah. this is defining moment for the democratic party. what is their mission, what is their hand date, what is their cause for new that i is that's been a unifying force for beyond this torm or lat dwrns they folks on issue in 218 rather than trying to make it about us versus them. there's a real question as to whether or not they can put forward a ho at the be dwrrks

and if so, which of these new generation figures has come to the fore, whether it be cam la harz, pete buttigieg. . . . in? there's news pro describeding a piece of legislation that he championed. he co-the violence again william

in 1994. >> he's a while. he's been doing the house passed an extension of the act. in a 263. >> there lawmakers why would voted to approvesome domestic violence for five yoors. including a new provision that would make it harder for domestic april buzers to gain access to guns. the nra opposed congress's attempt to close the so-called boyfriend loophole that prohibits those of stalking or abusing a partner, that they are dating from owning or buying a gun. democratic woman debbie dingell slammed lawmakers who intended to go against the administration. >> do not let the nra bully ask you no as an intimate partner,

that they would not have success ses o ain un. the gentleman woman's time has expired. you need to not be -- >> kenny: the yes's time is going to irpier. >> kenny: you know what, you can't trust. prn decided to stand with a gun

lobbying group in washington, d.c. and begins, and actually oppose keeping guns out fwrchl. >> i am still a republican. things like this may get harder of day. i think it's disgrateful what happened there on the floor. i think it's amazing that the water is so disconnected to the fact of domestic violence and abuse and how women die from

this and that they can't even open up their eyes to saying, okay, maybe violent predators should not have a gun. >> convicted -- convicted violent predators. that's the thing. this is not like here say. >> this could convicted ubor any candidates running for republicans on this issue who voted against it, would j will neck, this is pretty simple, the

nro from so 158 of them voted against the reauthorization of the violence against women act. >> this is the most powerful lobby of the gop. they lose never in their own policy. they have an iron grip on the politics of this office. what struck he, though, is the yearing and the goouing. it's one thing to say, look, i don't agree with you, but the jeering and the hooting and the hollering is not a good look. if you follow this issue at all, you know the danger to women is from people this is a very interesting way for republicans to approach what other rise the

one candidate who is starting to jump is mayor pete. he's nice. i want everyone to remember that word, nice. i think this country is ready for nice. when you think about what trum of does with puerto rico or health care or so many things, it's mean spirited, it's against the little guy. and threading this back to peggy noonan, what the kruts should have their eye on and what i sorry worry is a social factor that doesn't have that in there. it has the same, huge listic, nasty, noncon selltory. i think a word is a party of nice vaer a part of me. that's not weak. i think that's what this country

is ready for. >> all right. let's move on here. president trump suggested it would be a little feet if -- feat if he disclosed his tax returns. >> they'll speak to my lawyers and they'll speak to the attorney general. >> will you direct them to do that? >> they'll speak to my lawyers. >> treasury secretary steven mnuchin, according to to what the former head of the irs told lawrence o'donnell last night. >> the statute does say the secretary shall. so the statute seems to

contemplate the secretary of the treasury will make that decision. a lot of times when it says the treasury secretary, it means the irs commission. >> responding to a question at a ways and means hearing last month, about how to handle congressional requests for president trump's tax returns and if not, if you decide in the future to deliver this, we will receive it. i can't figure will the that we will most likely receive this request. and i said, we'll taste opini

opinioni'm not aware if there's ever been a request for an elected official's tax return. but we will follow the law and protect the president as we would protect any individual taxpayer if they do in fact follow the law, the rang pr, to the rel from. i don't see how they don't end up getting those tax records. >> i think that's a good question. i'm not a lawyer but i think it would be an why is he the only

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opini opinions from. one (snfrm flfrm even before the attorney general william barr. you can ask yourself why that would have been a majority for president trump. >> well, that's something. hey, did you guys hear the news about barbara bush? >> yeah. >> and donald trump? willie, why don't you tell us about that. >> so the president gave an exclusive oval office interview to "the washington times." and president bush said he was not shocked by barbara bush's criticism of him in a newly

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politics wasn't always about absolutes. >>mika, quickly, this country needs a hug, a metaphorical hug right now. there's this weird irony about his hugging people. but the essence of what's behind it. mika, you know him personally. is the genuineness of what a hug is and let's not lose its of -- that's what this country needs right now, not an invasion of space but a heartfelt hug. >> if you want a hug, i'm around, done e. thank you so much. still ahead on "morning joe",

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back now with presidential candidate, democratic congressman tim ryan of ohio. tim, many would argue this current president has left a gaping hole in our foreign policy to say the least, has had some major gaffes on the world stage, has lowered our place in the world and international respect around the world. what do you bring to the table, though, if you were to be elected president of the united states, what would be your foreign policy cred? >> i would say at first i sat on the armed services economy, i currently sit on a defense appropriate yagss committee, i've been working on thesing if

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to his reputation by submitting to the public this summary letter, whatever you want to call it, but there's a lot of concern especially because i -- i think it's fair to say there might have been some paragraphs in there that were prepared for the public. we just don't know if they differ greatly than what barr released. so tell us about your piece. >> if you look at the context here, the last three years in the justice department have been maybe the most turbulent in its history. you've had leaders make decisions going overly political, going back to how loretta lynch and the comey antics and barr's selling point was somebody that was supposed to reset the department. because he was at the end of his career, wouldn't cave to a president who is really hostile to the way the justice department is supposed to work. and instead, we've seen him

really botch i think the end of the mueller investigation. you know, he had kind of a golden opportunity here. bob mueller is maybe the most respected prosecutor of his generatio generati generation. barr could have stepped out of the way and instead he's made decision after decision that looks suspicious because they are suspicious. and i think it's a missed opportunity for the attorney general and you have to ask yourself when you keep making decisions that, you know, don't in some sense -- aren't in keeping with the department's best practices and policies and are the most controversial decision, why are you bringing this controversy on yourself and hurting the department's reputation than to no other reason to help the president. they look like they're designed to help the president because there's no other explanation for them. >> i'm really interested to hear your perspective on this as

someone who worked with bob mueller previously. there's been some reporting that through soes yatassociates who n the investigation they're saying it's not reflective of the work that they drew. are you surprised that it's been presented this way and that bob mueller, if that really is their view from the special counsel's office? >> i'm a little surprised because i've always known bill barr to be a principled man and a thoughtful man so this is a little bit unlike the bill barr that i think i know. that said, i'm not surprised that we're beginning to hear from members of the mueller team at least indirectly that they're frustrated. they spent 22 months on this thing. they interviewed you know, 500 witnesses. they sent out almost 3,000 subpoenas so it doesn't take that amount of time and that amount of work and these many

pages to say nothing happened. right? something happened and bill barr seemed to write it off pretty quickly. and at some point we're going to be able to hold up the report and his letter and see a disconnect. and i think that's going to be troubling as matt miller said for the department of justice, for the people who work there and for the folks who are deeply concerned about what may have happened in the run up to the elerks. >> -- election. >> mueller's staff prepared for public consumption and i wonder if you think there's a good reason for why barr wouldn't have released those in the first place. what compelling reason you would have to not do that. >> they may have been prepared for public consumption but they still have to review to make sure they don't have classified matters and perhaps most

important, information about ongoing investigations. you can redact it or declassify it. with grand jury information you can get a court order permitting it to go into the public sphere, but with ongoing investigations, that's stuff that we normally keep secret until those investigations are done. i'm not surprised that there are summaries prepared. you're going to prepare summaries as well, but that doesn't mean they're ready for prime time. >> got it. >> matt, as chuck just indicated the volume of the material in the report promises to be quite astonishing according to everyone. so were you surprised and how damaging do you think it was that bill barr is basically saying there was nothing there in terms of the obstruction component? how damaging was that -- or potentially could be to the department of justice? >> i think it was especially damaging because of the way he

did it. if you look at he dildecisions faced he could have told congress that he was going to review it and release the redacted version when he was able to. he could have transmitted the principle findings as he said he was going to do without weighing in on the obstruction of justice question or he could have released these summaries if it's true and some mueller prosecutor associates seem to be telling the press that he could have released those summaries. he didn't do any of those things. instead he gave you the most helpful version of what's in the report and on top of that put his own spin on the ball to decide the obstruction question when he didn't have to. so if we see a report that looks very different than what he said, that is going to look like he's weighing in on the side of politics. i think it's hugely damaging to him and to the department.

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weave run a cam pawn like nobody's ever seen. ike nobody's ever seen oh, he's back. president trump says he wants herman cain, the former pizza executive and 2012 presidential candidate for a seat on the federal reserve. >> that's one way to end it. that guy makes steven moore look like a combination between adam

smith and allen greenspan. like, i mean, when you got somebody next to you going 999 on the feds, suddenly moore is going oh, all that stuff i said about donald trump maybe nobody will pay attention to it. >> gives him a little cover. he did serve on the board of the federal reserve of kansas city at one time. we should point that out. i can't remember as i watch that classic ad, one of our favorites of that election cycle, what was the point of the cigarette drag? it was captivating but i don't know what the point was exactly. >> all i know is it made me vote for him three times that year. that cigarette right there. that cigarette drag. >> okay. good morning, everyone. obviously it is friday -- >> hold on a second. >> no, joe. i'm worried. don't talk. okay. along with joe, willie and me,

we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle unfortunately. >> wow. >> and along the same lines -- donny deutsch. >> you got donny deutsch and you're wasting that insult on mike? >> raising the game we have republican strategist and msnbc political analyst susan dell percio and sam stein who's just sick of us and our jokes about him being 20. we're going to keep doing it because we don't care. so congressional democrats have forally responded to the reports that special counsel robert mueller's investigators were frustrated that their public letter excluded damaging information about president trump. and the "washington post," summaries were prepared for different sections of the report with a view that they could be

made public and two people telling the post that barr not releasing them has particularly disappointed team members. this is important because who would put together a report especially bob mueller without creating sections that you can release to the press, that really help encapsulate all the work that's been done. >> right. >> and a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that the report includes detailed accounts of trump campaign contacts with russia. and that while mueller found no coordination -- or criminal conspiracy, the officials said, some on the special counsel's team say his findings paint a picture of a campaign whose members were sophisticated by intelligence operation, some of which may be classified. >> let's just stop right there. >> yep, et lets oodo that. >> so willie, we're going to get into a moment the fact that

donald trump received absolutely no balance from this william barr attempt. he got no bump whatsoever. and i actually think reading these stories show what many of us expected at the time, that trump team and right wingers on twitter would overplay their hands and they have overplayed their hands. i mean, there's evidence that's going to be coming out from this report that again shows what we all know, that the trump campaign, the trump team, the trump family were manipulated by members of either the russian government or russian intelligence. and barr's sanitized version of that, again, in the long run it does trump no good. it sets expectations too high and we could probably even expect those poll numbers to actually go down once we

actually find out the truth about what's in mueller's report. >> it's what we've been saying all month long. repeat the report, make the necessary redactions like you would any other -- what's interesting about some of these stories is that the people that they -- that the reporters heard from inside the special counsel's office through other associates did not dispute the claim of no collusion. they -- they agreed that bob mueller could not find evidence of a conspiracy between the trump campaign and the russians, but there is publicly available information reporting that we've seen. we know about the meeting at trump tower between don jr. and the russians. we know about all these things that are out in the open that point to some kind of

cooperation between these two entities. >> yeah, by the way, it's not just collusion which by the way, everybody said before and was not a crime or a conspiracy, but it could be cooperation, it could be more importantly compromise. but you know, mike, the -- the thing that is so disturbing about what william barr is doing is, here's yet another person who is trashing their reputation in the name of donald trump. a person who will exit the white house, sorry that he had trashed his rep occasion for donald trump donald trump. his argument and i say this, i've never said this before on television. i was in congress, his argument that -- listen, i don't want to talk about it. >> stop it. >> i was a public servant and i don't want to use the fact that i was a public servant on

television. i don't want to talk about it, but i was in congress. it was an incredible ride. i was staring at newt gingrich at one point and told him making the american people first. >> you're making a point. >> okay. so it is such a joke for the attorney general can't allow this information to go over to congress because some of it is classified. as you know and as i know, members of congress, we don't get classified information every day. it's not up for the attorney general to decide what classified information nancy me si's grown up enough to see. it's not up to the attorney general to decide whether the chairman of the judiciary committee can handle classified information. it's not up to him to decide whether eli. >> cummings or government reform and oversight, oversight of the executive branch can look at

that classic information. they've looked at it a lot. every day this week as it pertains to foreign policy, as it pertains to national security, he need to give it up and let members of congress see the entire report like we did when ken stahr released the entire report to congress. >> well, first oaf all, joe, we're all sort of -- >> i don't want to talk about it. no, i don't want to talk about it. >> having spoken to several k n current members of the house and senate, i've been told that it's a three-page statement that he issued two weekends ago. seriously misleads people about the report itself, that within the report, again, i'm told that mueller has laid out sections of the report and briefly explaining sections of the report and a what cwhat can be

public. he has not yet done that. and the essence of the conspiracy aspect that you were talking about, it basically comes down to when you reference this, donald jr. saying i love it sounds odd. sounds complicit, but it's not illegal. encouraging the russians being duped by the russians is not indictable. on the obstruction path i'm told that there are serious, serious building blocks of evidence that basically bob mueller and his team put together and the presentation in the report to congress is here's what we found. you decide. you decide which you want to do it. >> congress. >> those two paths are not different paths. the obstruction path affects mueller's ability to investigate the collusion past. they're all the same thing. i will add this though, it's

difficult to legally prove collusion but joe was talking about compromise and we have not just the mueller report now, but we have an attempt to obtain donald trump's tax filings and these are two efforts to get documents that could illuminate the degree to which trump's business dealings may have intersected with russian national interests and so until we get this so luminous conclusio conclusions, the only question i'm thinking is why barr went so quickly with this t. was there something that he felt compelled? >> there was no reason. he said there's no legal reason whatsoever that -- the reason is that donald trump has been wanting a roy cone. he has stated it publicly. he's wanted a roy cone as an attorney general who put his

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>> okay. that, senator is a direct answer. that is a correct answer. so i want to start, we'll see if we get an honest answer on this one. these early polls, we all know how much they mean which is to say they mean nothing. but david washerman, who i've considered one of the best pollsters in america as far as what happens on the legislative level has said it's kind of hard to believe these polls that show 65% of democratic voters support white men when 2018 was the year of the woman. the historic year of the woman. do you ever feel like that when you're looking at these polls, do they really want a white guy to be our nominee. >> so it's a mar than, not a sprint and i think what we saw in '18 where the break through candidates were strong, women

who ran on conviction from their hearts. running on ending gun violence, running and winning in arizona on a message of poverty, what it's like to grow up as a homeless girl. but for good public schools a girl couch been inspired. and i think the break through candidates have been these women who are running from a place of passion and desire to fix what's broken in washington and really take on the corruption greed that defines everything. >> so you talk about what's broken in washington. you know, it used to be when we were growing up if you're a governor or if you were a senator, you just automatically ran to the front of the line when running for president. in fact, people always joke about how, you know, 95% of the senators think of themselves as the next president of the united states. are we in a time now that may

have started with sort of sara palin's assent and now are we at the point where being a senator whether it's you or elizabeth warren or others, being a senator might not be as exciting to voters as saying, this unknown mayor from indiana or -- or other -- other candidates. is it almost like you have to go out and prove to voters that you're not an insider, a washington insider that you have what it takes to be president and still fight the powers that be there? >> i think the american public wants a president who's brave. a president who will stand up to do what's right even when it's hard especially when it's hard. the reason why i'm running, joe, is because what president trump has done is destroyed the moral fabric of who we are as a country, spreading fear, hate

and division and i feel so called at this moment to fight back about that and show the country what it's like to have a president who will go through fire to do the right thing. >> i just wonder though, is being a united states senator now. >> i don't think it matters. >> does it make it harder for you to get that message out to voters. >> i don't think it matters. i think what the voters want is someone who's awe thentdic, someone who does the right thing, fighting for the right withins, someone that wants to serve and put others first and what you'll see if you look at all these candidates that just broke through in new york ran from a police in their heart. underwood and so what i really think is country is looking for is leader she. restoring that moral leadership on the world stage. someone who will take on the tough fights and what i've shown in my career i do take on the

tough fights. whether i'm taking on congress itself andi making sure they don't have this inner corruption. this democracy belongs in their hands and not in the special interests and that's bringing our democracy back to the people. i've been to eight states and i've done 60 public events. i'm really in the communities and that's what it's going to take to win u. it's not who you were born or where you were been it's really about service to put others near yourself. that's why we have president. he's a coward. he doesn't stand up for what's right. >> so it's interesting. i was talking to a democratic activist a couple weeks ago and we were talking about your -- your campaign and we were talking about the fact that you had been a -- a congresswoman in

a more conservative area and some of your positions had changed and he said it's not a problem at all. he said, in fact, when i was recruiting candidates the question that i always asked at the end was name one position that you have taken that your most hard core supporters would disagrow with and would be surprised by? he said i actually saw that as a strength. i know i know that you've moved on issues. i've moved through the years myself. but can you name an issue that you may -- that you hold today that a lot of your supporters would disagree with, that shows that you don't just follow blindly the party line. >> well, i've never followed the party line and i always do what's right and i can give you an example. when i ran for congress in 2006

i ran in a 2 to 1 republican district. it was a red district. i won it twice, the second time by a 24%. i thought from a national security perspective, that mission was not going to result in ending terrorism or subverting terrorism in the region. when i started writing that campaign only 37% of the district was for getting out of iraq because it was a very republican district. by election day, 70% were in focus of getting out of -- >> what's a good example of the position you have in this campaign that your democratic base would disagree with. >> the democratic base would disagree with. i'm not sure, chris. i think what they're looking for is bold ideas and they might not agree with all of my bold ideas and how i want to get there

because i might not talk about it in the same way that their favorite candidate talks about it for example. so why not run on national public service? asking every young person in this krunty to commit a year of public service in exchange of free community college school. or you get four years of puck lick schooling through community colleges or other job training and what you've just created is that's not what john f. kennedy says, ask what you can do for your country. you can make it available to do health care, to do education, to do these green jobs or first responders or military service. it's an expansion of the gi bill. this is a better solution, think i, to making college for ak aeszable and affordable than other careers outs there.

>> that's actually a grade idea. everybody's talking about we need to make state colleges free. because seriously the cost of education is obscene. i've always thought it would be a great idea what the senator just said. a year of public service or two years of public service? whether it's the military or whether it's going into inner cities, whether esit's helping communities that have been hollowed out. i think that's a great idea. >> yeah. it works like we have not pr profits helping kids with afterschool help or being big brothers. helping kids and communities get access to stem field. you can expand this and if you make it part of this green jobs idea you're also going to make sure you have skills earlier. that will allow them to be poised to do these jobs in the

future which is what we're trying to kree yat-- create. why not try and why not create a platform offeds that can get us there. including investigating the screen job trading. and all those three ideas are already bipartisan and i've been working on them for ten years. the only piece you don't know, is can you get to zero policy commissions, he just knew he needed to aspire it to remember how competitive are we? i would take that challenge. we can do anything. >> men never know if they can get there, but for some somehow they're so confident, they believe it and may make it happen. let's talk about joe biden. what do you think is going on with him and is it a me too

story and also is joe biden an honorable man. >> for sure. i think we're confusing the issue. me too is spr specific about women's voices being heard and -- but it's part of something much larger, mika. it's part of what started the day president trump got elected. the fact that you have millions of men and women who march globally to be heard. allowing their space to be heard for women and make share thigh can be empowered knowing their value. all the things that we've been talking about if many years about giving this opportunity and strength and how it culminated in '18 with all these women running for office and winning. >> in the midterms as well. how do you reconcile and i say this because you've been a strong proponent on these issues. believe all women with knew

process? >> so the reason -- when someone comes in to the police station and said someone just stole my car. oh, that's what you were weighing? you smell like you've been drinking. that's what happens to someone that's been assaulted. >> she sounds like that and what you just said there, it sounds like an argument that by 15-year-old daughter when she's talking to people. >> so the point -- and let's be really clear. the point about believe women is so they can come forward and tell their truth. if it's an allegation of criminal activity the investigation can happen. then you determine whether there's facts and evidence and they decide whether to prosecute. it's the beginning sentence because so many women are dismissed, disbelieved from the beginning. the concept is not you've already decided innocence/guilt. it's about taking the first step to do the investigation.

if it's something that needs to be fully informs gad so it's the beginning of the conversation, not the end. >> i know. and then we have sort f olike this biden story where it's being completely con flated with me too. he says he gets it. he says he's going to change his behavior and that's important, but there's no reason why women can't tell their truth and their value and their -- and what's happened to them. you can always make space for that. when biden decides to run which i assume he will, he'll have plen oi tour de france time to tell the voters you know, where he's coming from and his perspective. that's something for him to do. for the rest of us we can talk about the differences and we can talk about this larger moment we're in t but the truth is it's allowing women to be heard and to be valued and you can have

both. you can have both conversations. you just have to be clear about what's what. >> so is there still a conversation to be had about what exactly we need. it's a personal issue. >> for example, would you be open to alfranken running for office again snr. >> senator franken can do whatever he wants. there's always space for humility and forgiveness. that's what our american story is about. we believe in redemption in this country and that will be a decision for him but that issue was very different than what we have here today and also can we also at some point today talk about president trump and you know, where he stands on all this? >> absolutely. >> hello. >> allegations of sexual assault, that he just sent out that video, not only demeaning

vice president biden. to is real story is we have a president in the white house who devalues women, using twitter and every social plat tomorrow to attack women and now he's not only attacking vice president biden but he's attacking the women in the same goal. so he's really at the root of this conversation -- the conversation this country must have about what do we expect of our leaders? we do expect them to be the best and to be the best they can be. and when they're not, having the humility to say i was wrong and i will be getter and having that space for a much broader conversation. >> there's a list of litmus test questions and issues so i'm going to tlun threw a queue of them. you talked about making full employment and does that mean a federal job guarantee? >> so what i want to do under full employment which was pushed

along by king, which is anyone who is underemployed which is really the crux, can get the job they need so they can earn their way into the middle class. one of the reason president trump won people felt left behind that the american dream wasn't from them and because when trump won i listened really hard about what was going on because upstate new york was red. >> there's a lot of people who voted for trump and they feel like they have no way to get there and so i recognize really early that we're already doing this important work in our community colleges, in our state schools. in our apprenticeship programs and our not for profits. so not for profit in the bronx said a lot of young people don't have access to gem.

they built that course work so computer engineering, building, fixing security. i think the federal government should actually decide and we need a president to do this to have the vision, the strong enough vision to say underemployment is our prab. we've got to go right to the heart and then offer this training no matter what to anyone who feels underemployed or unemployed. >> so it's federal training. >> you're guaranteeing the training into a job, so it's not -- the frame is very different. what people want you know, give a man a fsh you feed him for the day. give a man a fishing rod you feed him for life. that's it. so you're giving him the skills to keep moving up in their employment because the truth is, unemployment is about not letting workers get to their fullest economic potential. it's about realizing the potential of our work force. >> so you support bernie

sanders' bill there. what about eliminating the ewelcome to recall college. but let me tell you my view on health care. >> okay. >> so the bill that bernie wrote which is part of the buy in. when i traveled my district and asked, you know, what's your biggest worry, they said i can't afford health care. that was before obamacare. before the affordable care act when they were dropping coverage because of preexisting conditions. president trump has unwound all the protections and is now litigating it. so that's the part of the bill i was able to work on. a buy-in. i think something like 4% of income or 5% of income works. you let everyone buy in. over a four year -- the bill says four-year transition period i think within four or five

years 90% of america will make this choice because it will be less expensive and it will be a continuum of care that makes sense. >> people buy in. it's not about taxes. >> so you wouldn't raise faxes at all to pay hr health care. >> not the the middle class. it's an earned benefit so it's yours. you're buying into the health care that you owned forever. instead of buying into an insurance company you're buying into the health care system. you're just choosing where your mown is going and it's less expensive. if you did it this way we would pay a third of the amount of money that we paid today for health care. >> so you support eliminating the electoral college. what about ice. >> ice as two functions. okay? one function started in 2003 with a mission of ending

terrorism. it was a terrorism function. there's two functions. there's the anti terrorism function which is homeland security initiatives and then there's enforcement and removal. two separate. this part is the part that president trump's putting all the money into, that he is spending on for profit prisons, karring families apart at the border. harming people who need our help. that has to end. that's not the national security piece. the national security piece of immigration is what -- it's what 19 ice agents wrote to the secretary of homeland security and he said we need our own budget and our own agency because owl z all the money is being reported as financial. human trafficking, gun

trafficking and drug testing. so debt rid of the name, doesn't work here. fund your homeland security functions which is anti terrorism and then -- >> take the other piece. >> immigration stuff should be absolutely removed. it should be put back in the department of justy. you need real immigration judges which we don't have now. they're just appointed by the attorney general. they're not going to be able to do the drop. so two, they get hours the border seeking asigh rum and we have a proper mu main asylum program. >> senator, you listed several elements you'd like to see in the next president of the united states. sun who want to serve and provide leadership. with the stories that have surrounded the past vice

president, it seems to me like the middle west of the democratic party is on the verge of dehumanizing competition? >> this is going to be his responsibilities. it's his candidacy. it's why he's running and why he cares. >> but do you worry about it? >> oi -- i don't know that the guy is actually the outcom. i think they want to have a conversation about this. because as vice president biden said, he understands it, he's going to change. so that's a valid conversation. that conversation will happen because that's where this country is right now. they want to talk about that. the voters will decide what kind of president they want. they'll decide what type of vision they want and who's going to have the courage and bravery to stand up to the special

interests. so many people feel left behind? because washington works for the powerful. it works for the special interests and every decision that's made is typically based on who has the power that is rooted in the creed. it's why we pay too much for drugs over medicare. you look at the nra. they are largely funded by the gun manufacturers. it doesn't matter if the person's on the terror watch list, it doesn't matter if they have a violent criminal background. it doesn't mean that they've beaten his wife. so let's kaulg it what it is. it's greed and corruption and you need a president who's going to be strong enough to stand up to that and to do what's right especially and even when it's hard and that's why i'm running. i cannot tell you how called i feel to run for the right

seasons and run to actually serve others and that means speaking to all americans in the right places, in the purple places and the blue places and unlike many people running i actually win in the red places upstate new york long island. i bring people together in congress. in the past congress alone i passed 18 pieces of legislation that helped people. more money for world broad band or more money for manufacturing. >> i told everyone when i first met you, do not underestimate her. she is scrappy and fantastic. come back. >> all right. we have breaking news on the economy with the monthly jobs numbers just crossing. we'll go live to the stock exchange ahead.

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opportunity to again apologize to the women that mistreated who told their stories and -- and who were hurt by me. and also apologize to the people i hurt indirectly, my family, my colleagues over the years and my friends. i've had time in 17 months to do a lot of things but not publicly and that includes hundreds of conversations with people include ago lot of women who have been subjected to harassment and to listen to understand more wholly than i have in the past and even though i think anybody who did the kinds of things that i did understand that harassment is wrong intellectually to really understand why it's so painful for someone many the work place to be harassed by someone. women who have been sexually harassed and explained to me why it's such a deeply troubling thing and as i said i'm not done learning, i'm not done understanding myself or

understanding this problem in our society and i feel like you know, that i've learned enough that hopefully i can be allowed to be reintegrated into society a little bit more and to be able to use the the experiences i've had to be a productive part of making things better and contributing. >> all right. now to what we were going to talk about. mark sized up the democratic party for president and suggested bernie sanders might be the most underrated contender in the race where the vermont senator could lock down the nomination by march 1st. we've been wrong before about who could win and he talked about this, about him locking down the nomination march 1st just a month after iowa. >> bernie sanders is going to have the most money in this race. he has -- you look at the results last time he got 50% of the votes in iya. 60% of the votes in new

hampshire. he has these -- he announced yesterday he's doing a town hall later this month of fox news. that's part of the tour he's going to do in the mid western battleground states. michigan, wisconsin, maybe even ohio. he has a base no one else does and while all these other candidates are fighting it out, i think sanders can build on his suck sa success but he can also go on television in california and when we have the primary, early voting starts on the day of the iowa caucuses. he may be the only candidate with enough money to be on paid media in california. if he wins iowa i think he'll win new hampshire and if so he'll win california. i think a guy that wins those three states is going to be the nominee. >> after listening to that and you know, talk to mark over the

past couple of months on a variety of topics, but the one thing i think the media has been missing is that. is the fact that bernie sanders almost beat hillary clinton against all odds in iowa last time. then he destroyed her in new hampshire. they have moved up the california primary in an attempt to possibly help kamala harris, but you have a situation with bernie sanders and we've seen the money where the media always underestimates bernie sanders. always. they did in 2016, they have in 2020. so this actually is a stark reminder that we're making the same mistake again in 2020. he wins iowa, he wins new hampshire. he's got the momentum in california. you tell me who else other than joe biden is going to be able to keep pace with this guy?

>> so far no one has the money that bernie sanders has. california and texas primaries o mark spelled out if he does well and w new hampshire. then he's got -- because of the money he's got a firm footing in california and in texas and it could well be that money is going to drive this factor. it's the reality and he could end up being the nominee by the middle or march. >> we are not anointing hillary and she was -- he was pretty much the only alternative. there are a lot of different alternatives at this point and i do think somebody shiny, just the way mayor pete has jump out will go and really concerned i think bernie sanders would lose in a landslide to donald trump. >> oh, i completely disagree and i disagree because a lot of people who voted for donald

trump said they would have voted for bernie sanders. you saw it in the yiemsz. would ha -- "new york times." politics is a strange thing. bobby kennedy supporters supporo vote for george wallace. a lot of trump voters would be more interested in bernie sanders than others. i think if this analysis is on to something, and i think it is, we could have bernie sanders in the same position where barack obama was in 2008 thinking if i win iowa -- >> yeah. >> -- then suddenly the dominos fall for me. he will still have trouble in the south. he has trouble with trouble with black voters. he has to get right with black leaders and black voters. he wins iowa, wins new hampshire, he might roll it up in california. >> there's a great piece in the daily beast by a great reporter, sam stein --

>> i love him. >> so awesome. >> just journalism at its finist. it looks at this idea of the money raised from the perspective of what bernie has been able to accomplish. he's changed the paradigm here. his number this quarter was about $18 million, which was underwhelming compared to forecasts, but the statistic that was crazy, he had 525,000 individual donors. we look back at obama's first quarter totalal fr afrom 2007,$ million, from 24,000 individual donors. so bernie can sit back, tap that network of people to write those small checks, he will have a steady stream of grassroots online fund-raising that no one else in the race can have. if only we had someone who had written about changing fund-raising paradigms and using different systems to create competitive advantages sitting

at this panel, it would be good to get your um puinput. >> first, let's go to sara eisen. what have you got? >> it looks like we added about $196,000 jobs. unemployment raid steady at 3.8%. another good number sitting near the half century low. this is a relief about a month ago i brought you shockingly bad numbers for february, when only 20,000 jobs were added. that got revised higher but only to 33,000. you had the bad weather, the seasonal factors, the shutdown. all of that impacted the jobs numbers. if you smooth it out and look at an average over the first trhre months of the year, it's about 185,000 jobs average per month.

it's down from last year, but economists expected some moderation at this point in the economic recovery. one other number is wages. they moderated a bit from last month. still growing 3.2% in march from last year. another sign that workers are getting paid more in this tighter labor market that we've seen. overall it means we're not heading into recession. things are still doing okay on the jobs front. >> all right. thank you very much. i will say, 3.8% unemployment, wages continuing to go up, man, those are numbers any president would like. to michael lewis, he's co-hosted the new podcast entitled against the rules, which explores what happened to fairness in america and around the world. michael, let's start with the $64,000 question that bernie talked about and trump talked about in 20 116.

is the system rigged against working class americans? >> it depends on which system you're talking about, but yes. there's a lot of truth in that. you can trace this back to the financial crisis. where everybody gets to see that when bad things happen, there's kind of a socialism for the rich on wall street and capitalism for everybody else. there's not one system. that energizes our politics today. the subject of the podcast is like who is supposed to arbitrate these things? who are the neutral authorities who come in and maximize fairness or ensure fairness in various systems? they're on the run. >> so episode three of your podcast, the culture refs. who is driving the car? culture intersetting sectins wi and culture, my theory is,

people in the middle of the country feel left behind because they're not in tune with the cultural issues set up in california, new york and boston. >> what's happening is movie critics, theater critics, language reps, ombudsmen in newsrooms, the internet wiped them out. so you have ref by mob. news is true if everybody glagrs it's true rather than somebody in the newsroom -- "new york times," "washington post," espn, all the ombudsmen are gone. the referees are gone. they're allowing the crowd to ref that space. >> who's the crowd? >> the crowd is twitter, facebook, it's like -- so things can be -- stories can be sold to an audience that wants to hear that story without anybody

sticking their noses in as an authority and saying actually this is not true. you look at facebook. facebook has become the platform for news distribution. it is built as an unrefereed space where, you know, anybody can say anything. if you want to believe it, you can believe it. it's the authorities that used to sit between the public and the news, don't have the same authority they used to. walter cronkite was the old model. there are problems with that model. when you lose it and don't replace it with anything, there's also problems. >> one thing you talk about in your podcast is everyone loves to hate the referee. >> yes. >> but we need the referee. >> we need the referee. it's an interesting thing. the nba is my little lab for this story. you can show that basketball refs are better than they've ever been. if you think about what's happening, it's not surprising.

they're trained better. they draw from a broader pool when they hire them. they watch their mistakes after the games. the mistakes are broadcast over and over on the jumbotron. there's instant replay. but everybody thinks the calls are worse. the fans treat them worse. the players treat them worse. this is a conundrum. you have to explain if they're getting better why everybody believes they're getting worse. i think we're all getting better at spotting the mistake of the person who is put in the role of the referee. when you find the mistake, organizing the outrage of the mistake. the focus is different. >> is there a sad truth that millennials plus this equals the death of the ref? they don't want a ref? don't want an authority? they have the ability to create their own definition of customized fairness? >> to take the other side of

that, you can argue that the strength of the sanders campaign is the desire for the ref. on the back end of the financial crisis, what gets created? the consumer financial protection bureau. there was great energy around that when it was created to referee the space between the big banks and ordinary americans who get pay day loans, subprime mortgage loans, student loans. that was to try to institutionalize a fairness in a system where there wasn't any. that's the desire for that kind of thing. it's at the middle of the interest in bernie sanders and a lot of young people like bernie. to me, one of the curious things about bernie sanders, he's an old guy with the support of a lot of young people. that's an unusual situation, right? i think he's speaking to that. >> let me go a little off topic here. money ball, billy bean, the idea

is that you can make more with less. find ways to optimize resources. we have a bunch of presidential candidates who will be dying for money. what kind of advice do you think he would give them to say you have to use your funding and focus on this type of issue to optimize that small window of resource? >> probably along the lines of how you spend the money. the lesson of the trump campaign is you can get away without spending money if you can draw attention to yourself. so just create a lot of free media for yourself. that seems to be the answer. >> michael lewis, thank you so much for being on the show. the podcast is against the rules, available wherever listeners can access podcasts, which is everywhere. >> right? >> michael lewis, thank you. that does it for us on this friday morning.

thank you very much. hi, there. this morning we have breaking news. the march jobs report just released. employers adding iing 196,000 . this as the president says the u.s. and china are making progress towards a trade deal. could that be undercut by his latest trip to the fed board? and house democrats escalate their attacks on the attorney general as more members of the mueller team voice their displeasure with barr's summary of the report. >> barr is an agent of the president. that's his job to protect the president. one could not therefore trust the accuracy of anything he produced. >> and shifting narrative. in about 30 minutes president trump will depart the white house on his way to visit a 30-foot segment of replacement fencing, this after backing off his threat to totally close