day by investing $100 million in democratic party. and the way that they stack up schools in his home state of against each other. and i don't think we've had that connecticut. that brings this hour to a close yet. so reverent al, thank you for for me. i'll see you back here at 9:00 that. black voters are not a monolith. p.m. eastern for the rachel it's important for every one of maddow show. "deadline: white house" starts these candidates to contest for now. it's 4:00 in new york and a vote not just the nomination the hits keep on coming for donald trump and his white but also to win the presidency. house. the president trying to steady if you don't fight for black himself after a high profile voters today, don't come asking political embarrassments on september 2020 to get them. issues like health care and the >> carol, i want to ask you about something that showed up border. and fending off legal threats from a democratic run house with in nbc news wall street journal poll th no shortage of scandals and poll. the question was comfortable, enthusiastic about a gay or crises to investigate. trump is back at the border presidential candidate, in 2006, today making the case for a wall 43%. rejected by democrats and republicans a few weeks ago. in 2019, 68% of americans. good news in the bleakness. politico is talking about >> it's remarkable -- >> awesome. how the week was squandered. >> -- how fast that issue has

quote, it was just a week that swung. it wasn't that long ago that president obama was -- he was president trump and his allies figuring it out -- celebrated a what they called >> biden got out ahead of him. trump's exoneration from the >> and it was a big deal. i covered the white house at mueller report. trump unleashed two new that time. is he for it? political crises, one on health gonna say it? care, one on the mexican border now it's a postscript. and then retreated on both of it's an afterthought and people them. the legislative whiplash of just -- it's completely different and it happened really fast. trump's own making colliding >> it's reflected in the democratic field. with uncomfortable truths about i'm reminded of something we all robert mueller's findings said over and over and over creeping into public view. democrats intensifying their again about the midterm efforts to obtain mueller's full candidates, they look like america, republicans are older and more male. unredacted report as well as his this field, gay, young,epressin communications with the justice department. in the wake of news that mueller's team believes their report is worse than attorney former republican to see one side look like america and to general william barr made it out to be. barr is expected to release a see the polls reflect this is where 68% of americans are. redacted version of that report in the coming days. the white house likely painfully >> i think that -- i agree it aware that any information released in that report is happened so quickly. likely to fall short of what i think it shows the impact, the

they celebrated as a total cultural shift and how a lot of those that are on the right have exoneration. just missed that. as we wait to see what william >> yeah. >> and i think that is what's barr will reveal, trump is going to hurt them a lot mounting a legal defense against politically, if the right another challenge, the formal candidate in the democratic party and candidates that are going to run for the senate request from the house ways and means committee to turn over six don't try themselves to play an years of his tax returns. old playbook or out of touch. but i think if they stay right the "the washington post," quote, privately trump has told where the electorate is now they white house advisers he does not have an advantage because i plan to turn over his tax don't think the right wing returns to congress and he'll fight the issue to the supreme understands where the country has moved. court. hoping to stall it until the i think you're right. the policy whiplash that 2020 election. his lawyers are going to be busy inflamed his party this week. though, a new number on whistle trump at the border, what could go wrong there, next. uld go wrong there, next oh! oh! blowers. the atlantic reporting, quote, a small army of whistleblowers from across the government has been working in secret with the house oversight committee to report alleged malfeasance within the trump administration. the list of whistle blowers who

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the news environment we live in. the first impressions aren't what matter. build. the last impressions are what it come off a roller coaster matter. week. we're far from the last see for yourself. >> if they don't stop them, impressions on the mueller report. >> this wasn't our plan, but it's a perfect detour. we'll close the border. we'll keep it closed for a long this is precisely the problem time. i'm not playing games. with spin these days. >> there's a big likelihood i'll this is why donald trump became president without a press close the border next week. secretary or communications >> it's not a bluff. director. there's no place for spin in a you can take the president seriously. fact-driven scenario, which is >> if if we don't make a deal with congress, the border is what the mueller probe was. if there was facts in a report, going to be closed 100%. in some ways it matters less >> the only thing frankly better because everyone will take the source information and do what but less drastic than closing they may. the border is to tariff the cars >> on that sunday night if you asked the 300 smartest people in coming in. you know i'll do it. politics you knew in both i don't play games. parties, do you think the we're going to give it a period mueller report will eventually of time, but if in a year from become public, all of them would have said, yeah, of course, in now drugs now drugs continue to pour in we this environment, everything are going to put tariffs on. that's happened in the last two years. >> so at least for a year? the reality is it will become >> i didn't say that. public. mueller will testify. we would start with the tariffs it will come out in the open. and we'll see what happens. if you knew that sunday night, >> so what are we doing?

your calculus wouldn't be we i missed all that. have to win the day, the next 12 we're closing it. we're not closing it. at first i thought he said we hours. you would be thinking about the were going to tear up the cars. long run because that's where this battle is won or lost. oh, trump's going to tear up the >> it's a good reminder, joyce cars. no, we are going to put tariffs vance. it makes me think two things, on. what are we doing at the border? one barr was out of the game for >> nothing. a long time, and two, having >> this is his crutch. >> bad crutch. worked in the executive branch >> the border generally, the of government you can become fact he was down there. very insulated. we learned this week some of the reporting that barr was self-inflicted wound. he got way out there on this. exasperated by mueller's final when he feels in political conclusion. but in this climate you have to trouble or headlines aren't let someone like mueller whose going his way he pivots to immigration and the border, integrity will be viewed as leans in. he leaned in really heavily and exceeding any political got pushed back by republicans appointees, you have to let it who said this is a bad idea and stand. >> the fifth floor of the here are the reasons why. justice department can be a head he had to walk it back, his dy place but also very isolated least favorite thing to do -- where an attorney general, admit defeat. particularly one as new as barr then go to the border to make a is to the job is surrounded by show like he's doing something. people who are telling him what >> put the human tragedy aside. they think he wants to hear as they settle into new positions.

these are features, not bugs of whatever happened here, there was a real disconnect between barr, who should have known his immigration policies. exactly as you say, all of these i wrote six stories about never getting another avocado. details will come, people will he talked about closing the border markets, industry, judge the report for himself. s agriculture, allies reacted. on his four-page summary as when does this become too much? opposed to mueller's decades of >> well, the fact is 40% of our service which are going to be backed up by hard facts and trade is with mexico. people can see those facts for themselves and draw their the president -- he goes to th conclusions at the end of day. >> carol, you're an investigative reporter and peter baker covered the white house i border as his crutch. yesterday, house democratic leadership announced they are worked. i was involved with two -- i going to bring suit against the don't know if you call them president on his emergency declaration. he's losing over and over and successful interest. one was after 9/11 and dick over again when it comes to his crutch. he may as well kick it away. >> i have to say, i think we clark drew the public's often describe trump as cruel. attention about what they knew. and the other was the wmd report there is a sadism to the way he during the iraq war trying to treats people. understand what the report said about wmd. he's a masochist. this is the biggest promise he

in both exercises, even when we made in the 2016 campaign. had the information in front of us, as you said, we knew then, we are going to build this wall. mexico is going to pay for it. staring at classified information, human intelligence, the most sensitive secrets that and he repeatedly fails to it would all come out deliver on it. eventually. he's throwing banana peels to it wasn't if, it was how. slip over himself. there was so many examples of this happening -- i can't think first, repeal obamacare. of any on the other side. what do you think they're failed. thinking? it's not going anywhere. dude, it is not going anywhere. >> it's hard to know what they were thinking. the two biggest failures but what's clear now is the president had, in terms of the republicans wanted him to tear conclusion of the mueller investigation, the best day he's going to have on that issue. and he did what we've been talking about with it, which is down bo obamacare and the wall. you say it's a crutch. squander by taking another yeah, his base likes that but self-inflicted wound, the story they are giant failures and he of his presidency. seems to enjoy reenacting them you can see regardless how the mueller report comes out, there's going to be more every few months. information and as there's more >> the m is for masochist is information it's not going to be as good a story for him and you something that lets us know

can see the white house trying to adjust to that. you're back. you heard that in the >> the other part of it is he president's remarks about has convinced himself that these releasing it, sure get it out was initially now it's more things work for him. i think he honestly believes tempered. i think you're going to see, again, what we started to see that every time he goes and use while the investigation was it is mexican border, every time ongoing, an attack, a digging he promises a wall that it in, and a defensive crouch from. energizes his crowd. i don't think he understands how bad he's losing. bill crystal tweeted this morning that so far the he's like a fighter that keeps democratic party taking over the getting knocked down and he's house has yielded only good now foggy in the head and thinks he's winning. things, real investigations and oversight into the executive there is no one around him that branch that are much needed. tells him, you know, you're anyone with just a cursory sense behind on rounds now. you better do another strategy. of what's in the news can see there's corruption from the top to the bottom of the white house if they dare do it he fires them. so everybody is letting him get and throughout the cabinet. but they've got tools and the crap beat out of them and they've got assets and one of he's punching himself to death. them is michael cohen, who's this is not working but you offering to stick around and offer more help. can't tell him. >> sure. >> he's always defined political michael cohen is one of a number of people who will happily share victory in terms of the enthusiasm of the base, not

expanding the number of people anything they have saved that will help these investigations. who support him. that's the wrong metric. this is why elections matter. we know that 2016 mattered. enthusiasm of the base gets you something, but doesn't get you to 50. we're watching the fruits of the it doesn't get you to 2018 election matter because the re-election. >> it shouldn't wax and wane. democrats have the house and are able to open these many, many very consequential, deep investigations. and this is why 2020 is going to matter as well. who can forget herman cane? >> i want to come back to you he's accused of sexual peter baker on one of the harassment. you might be surprised to hear fights, one of the fronts that what donald trump has asked him have been opened and that's a to do next. that's next. stay with us. legislative effort to get something that donald trump said to you and your colleagues in the oval office would be beyond his red line, his taxes, his financial information. take us inside that brewing battle. >> that's right. they asked -- the congress has asked -- or the house of representatives has asked for six years of his tax returns, . line line every president since richard . nixon has provided tax returns to candidates who want to be president. you'll see them on the democratic side as they gear up for 2020. president trump said he couldn't release his taxes in 2016

because they were under audit. nothing prevented him from releasing those if he chose and the two years he would have filed in 2017 and 2018 and presumably about to file in 2019. he's saying no, i'm not going to do that, talk to my lawyers. he's making clear that is a red line and remains a red line for him. congress said we need to see those because how do we understand the motivations he had in terms of his finances, russia, things like that. president trump is saying you're going on a fishing expedition and you're out to get me. that's part of his line, his line is the perpetual democratic investigation machine is about partisan witch hunt not about what bill crystal said in terms of oversight, it's trying to get me. it's going to resonate with his base. may not resonate the rest of the people. >> reading the back of the

cheerio's box would resonate his base. >> there's a lot of good stuff on those boxes. joyce, the times reporting they ask -- you've been treated about the political appointees at the irs, earlier this week asked senator mitch mcconnell to prioritize a confirmation vote for his nominee to be the chief council of the irs, indicating it was a higher priority than voting on the nomination of william barr as attorney general, a person familiar with the conversation said. really? >> this obviously matters to him an awful lot. it's almost as though he wants here you go little guy. a cockroach can survive submerged underwater for 30 minutes. to have roy cohn every place. wow. yeah, wow. he needs him at treasure and the irs service. but ultimately this is up to the irs and not up to the president. >> i want to ask you about this tax fight, because this seems to

be the sort of -- you know, maybe kind of a side play where not getting in today. trump -- and peter is right, not on my watch. pests never stop trying to get in. he's going to march out this we never stop working to keep them out. terminix. defenders of home. tropica troupe it's a witch hunt. let's see, aleve is than tylenol extra strength. terminix. defenders of home. but there may be questions that could turn it, what is he and last longer with fewer pills. hiding? every other politician, every so why am i still thinking about this? other person that's run for i'll take aleve. aleve. proven better on pain. president and won turned over their taxes. there could be a tipping point. you have a republican senator from louisiana saying i'd like to see his taxes. because mueller didn't say he's not benefitting from any of his business interest. mueller didn't clear him on the question of emoluments, conflicts of interest. he didn't clear him on anything other than there wasn't a witting conspiracy with russia. >> during the campaign. >> yes. i recommended herman cain. >> now you have the question whether the president, his he's a very terrific man, a businesses, his background, who terrific person.

he's done business with, what he's a friend of mine. his debts are, all of these i have recommended him highly for the fed. things the people don't know, i told my folks that that's the how it impacts policy, man and he's doing some particularly foreign policy, perhaps domestic policy, and pre-checking now. i would imagine he'd be in great that's the big question hanging out there. shape. >> that's called a vet. the question is also how much do people wind up caring? here's a reminder who herman to a certain extent that's going cain is. to depend on how the democrats >> do you agree with president play their hand? obama on libya or not? if they are more narrowly >> okay, libya. targeting their investigations at specific things like tax returns and hitting the reasons they're important, that may play better than a whole host of >> oh, shucky ducky as the man investigations that then the would say. republicans say it's a fishing >> when asked who the president expedition they want to get me of you-becky-becky-stan-stan is on something. that's the risk and balance, we don't know yet. i'll say, i don't know. >> it's chicken and egg. if you didn't have so many bad do you know? people doing so many bad things >> this man is en route to the fed. >> he has to get through a senate confirmation. there wouldn't be justification i'm not sure. for so many investigations. i will enjoy the senate >> i don't care what donald trump's base thinks about this, i don't care what anybody thinks confirmation. there bye-bwill be questions li about this. we talk about this presidency herman cain, tell us about m-1

have been been one revolving and thereby m-1? around the shredding of norms. >> shucky ducky. he did that in the campaign when >> seriously. he refused to release the tax >> does the guy know the returns. it was a norm for a reason. difference between macro and micro economics? we want to know what's in our does he know the basic things if president's tax returns so we can judge their actions in you are going to be on the fed? office, in terms of whether there is no chance. they're behaving in a corrupt >> the sexual harassment that derailed the nomination, the way. that's why presidents last thing trump wanted many voluntarily turned over their imtoim tax returns for years. there's no law about it, to -- him to do aside, i think probably there should be. but presidents of both parties he's a gold bug. have done it for generations to >> yeah. >> the fed is yet another say look, here's where my money institution trump is challenging and trying to shape. come from. we have mitt romney putting their assets in blind trust because they wanted to get to it is an independent body. the point where i'm only acting as president in the interest of there's two seats. the country. he's trying to fill them with we may have different views of ally of his. what the interests of the country are, but this is not >> who are nincompoops. about my personal enrichment and nothing has to do with my financial state of being. >> the word you are looking for donald trump in the campaign, isn't shape but shred, destroy. even though many journalists, including me, yelled about it, >> herman cain's whole campaign

said he must, he must, he yelled was 9-9-9, the most crazed no. no. he got elected. economic policy. it's not a fishing expy you're going to put him on the fed? >> i like the shucky ducky. discussion, the democrats in that's good. >> that's on chuck todd now. congress are right to fight for. my thanks to the panel. i think it should be ledge slgl. that does it for us. thank you very much. mtp daily starts now. is should be a norm. >> just remember, donald trump this is what we need to has lived his whole life in understand about our presidents, where their sources of income search of cheap credit. are. >> how do you get people to >> shucky ducky. care? people didn't care obviously >> why should he change now? enough that he got elected and thank you, nicole. if it's friday, the it's not clear that they would clear now. >> i think politician -- if you frontrunner want to maintain the validity of norms politicians need to argue, make the case that it matters. and that's all politics ever is is the art of persuasion. if people stop caring, the norms erode on their own. which is why i think it's important for politicians of both parties to stand up and explain they're not on a fishing

expediti expedition. >> i think people do care about this thing because donald trump ran on drain the swamp. that was a message that resonated with people. and people understand what a tax form looks like. everyone except for some people in trump's orbit fill out their taxes every year. this is something they can understand. and it's a message that resonated with that 38%. so not only is it important but it is something that people care about and can really fundamentally get. >> i agree it's something everyone can relate to. people go to hr block and get help with their tax returns and know the information on there. joyce, i wonder if you think robert mueller -- chuck rosenberg thought it was a certainty that robert mueller was able to look at and examine trump's tax returns. do you think there'll be any information in the 400 pages released? >> tax information is protected inside of doj, it can't be

revealed. so if there's anything in there, it'll be redacted. but i think mueller started in many ways with taxes, they're a bible for prosecutor, they're a road map that tells you where to go and what to look at. it's interesting in this regard that mueller restricted his mission so carefully to the question of conspiracy with russia and the question of obstruction, because the taxes are really a road map to all sorts of information to other conduct. even if the tacxes that can't b disclosed, it'll lead to other investigations. >> peter your paper has done a deep dive, the taxes are the window to the soul the biggest fraud that donald trump has perp rated. the idea he's self-made and successful, he's neither. talk about the taxes from inside that white house. i don't believe anything that

comes out of trump's mouth but the idea he'll take this fight to the supreme court, i think you can take that to the bank. >> my colleagues spent 18 months looking at what is available to his taxes. we don't have the returns everyone is looking for. but what they were able to put together, they put together an extraordinary picture of his dealings that go back years and years, very selective evaluations of property for the purpose of minimizing taxes, a lot of money came from his father despite his portrayal of being a self-made man. it showed by some measures there's at least questions whether he violated the law in terms of paying all his taxes. that story kind of came and went. but you're right, i think that investigators are now looking into that kind of thing themselves. you heard state investigators say in new york they wanted to congressional democrats obviously have these kinds of questions on their mind when

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women, posted an edited twitter post to joe biden's response. biden responded with this, i see that you are on the job and presidential as always. good clap back. trump responded again by tweeting i've employed thousands of electrical workers, they'll be voting for me. and today biden tackled it with humor. >> i just want you to know i had permission to hug lonnie. i don't want you to have to stand, but it's up -- by the way, he gave me permission to touch him. >> later on, when he was asked about those jokes, biden said it wasn't his intent to make light

of anyone's discomfort and hopes nobody took it that way. joining me now al sharpton and donna edwards. donna, how did he do? >> great. i listened to vice president biden today. he sounded like a guy who's going to be a presidential candidate. i guess we'll have to wait a few weeks. i also listened to others and i think it was really important for joe biden in the way that he does to kind of make the transition and get into a mode in front of a very friendly audience. >> rev? >> i think she's right. i think it was very important that he come out publically all the other candidates are out, as you know most of them have been out at the national action convention all week. >> where they belong. >> yeah, where they belong. for him not to be public i think is adding fuel to the fire like

he's hiding. he's going to have to take this on whether people agree or not. when you have people saying there's no harassment here, no accusations of discomforting but not as serious as it could be. he makes it look more serious when he appears to be hiding from it. he did the right thing coming out today. >> this is the distinguishing part of his situation, none of his accusers have accused him of misconduct. they've accused him of embraces that make them uncomfortable. >> it's mixed reaction out there. anyone can see that. i don't think his staff thought he was going to do that. but that's joe biden. i covered the obama white house for eight years and this is what we always god. he was always somebody who was going to say and do exactly what

he wanted and go off script. and that's what he did today. he also said -- you can see him kind of balancing trying to be biden and himself and be -- you know, appeal to the democratic party and also try to take on trump. he actually said, i don't apologize for anything i've done. he's saying he's not apologizing. he's walking this line. i don't know how long that will hold. the other thing about joe biden we all know is that the more he's out there and he risks going too far with this -- >> is there still a too far if the ultimate opponent will be donald trump? what's too far? >> that's a question for the democratics. he has to get through a primary this issue a huge issue for them. that's where his problem is going to be -- >> the primary? >> yes. >> i'll tell you one group of people who obviously thought the joke was not pitch perfect, which was his staff who had him get out as soon as the event was over and go out and talk to cameras and clean it up, they

wanted him to context shlize it. this is what you'll see with biden if he runs. he's loose in the way he talks. he's sometimes a little tone deaf, says things the staff does not want him to say. famously in the obama white house when he went on "meet the press" there would be days of in boarding. that's the charm and risk he faces, he's not a scripted politician, it gets you in trouble and makes you seem authentic, so it's a ambulanbal act for him. so from now democratic nominee the venueit' democratic nominee electorate and that's a different field than the field the nominee will

play on against donald trump. against donald trump all bets may be off, but it's not in the democratic electorate. >> the real fear i have, i know senator biden for many years and worked closely when he was in the white house as vice president, yes, he is very much unscripted, yes, he will do whatever comes to mind, but what i most fear is what i saw today, whether he goes for the trump bait. he should not be answering every time trump puts something out there. i think that as much as the staff can control him, it will become worse as trump can get into this rhythm with him -- >> baits him. >> -- that every time i stab at you, you gonna come back. once trump knows he's coming back, trump will have him so preoccupied and in his head. that's what i fear. >> let me flip the script. i think biden is in trump's

head. trump couldn't stop talking about joe biden today. what's offensive about biden's behavior. i think it's the other way, trump understands what a lot of republicans understand is that biden as a general election candidate deprives trump of the swing voters in the rust belt that went for trump. i have most of their cell phones in my phone, the voters in erie, p.a. bay city, michigan. who were two time obama voters and flipped and voted for trump, they're very much available to joe biden. >> that's true. they want somebody who's steeped in policy, who can appeal to the base, who can appeal to working families all across the country, but also they want somebody who's going to be willing to take a bunch and throw a punch

when it comes to donald trump. you could see that at the national action network conference, which i think was really important where you got -- and joe biden would have gone over really well there. i think he's in the right territory. he doesn't need to clap back on every single thing that trump does. but he needs to demonstrate that he's willing to take him on. and this was a particularly important moment because who's donald trump to go around teasing anybody about touching anyone with the things that he's said. so i think this was an important moment for joe biden. >> to underscore the point, 23 women credibly accusing donald trump of sexual misconduct. after the break, an important primary, a couple of our guests have mentioned it, it wrapped up for the 2020 democrats. 12 candidates spoke at the national action network conference. we'll ask the man who hosted those candidates who stood out and why. that's next. why. that's next. y allergy muddlers..

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it gives me no pleasure to tell you that we have a president today who is a racist. who is a sexist. who is a homo phone,phobe, and religious bigot. i wish i did not have to say that, but that is the damn truth, and i have to say it. >> bernie sanders not holding back together, all democrats wanting to run for president took off, they made their case all week to black voters and the president of the national action network happens to be a friend of the show. the rev al sharpton and our panel are back. it's a phenomenal event. these are some of the most knowledgeable political junkies i've met in my career.

so the idea that -- going and speaking is probably the easy part, i think it's the politics they get to engage in. >> the q&a, because these are activisms, national work around the country. they're in the trenches, they know what they're talking about. the right wing asks why are the candidates coming there? donald trump came twice, he cut the ribbon once. i'm waiting for them to release the photos, but then he was playing democrat. he could have came this year. i think the fact is that people want to make sure that this race gap is not marginalized because he has become the most polarizing president that we've seen. and the idea this week was to make sure that the race gap with unemployment, yes, blacks are n

unemployed at a lower rate than ever but still double to white, how do you close that gap? the education gap? the health gap? we want it on the table. and having the can'didates address it. >> how is race not main streamed? anyone who watched charlottesville, why is it not a main stream? >> he wants to get away with unemployment blacks so low i'll call a meeting of blacks at the white house, and he has a meeting there that no one knows who they are. you're called a black leader you have to have a following and someone should know you. we wanted to say there are still real problems of inequality. i think the flare-ups are the blackfaces and charlottesvilles and other things, but there are institutional problems.

we want you if you're going to be president how are you going to deal with those problems? >> who did the best? >> i was very impressed with several of them. i thought that beto o'rourke was well received. and i -- we had not had any background at all on mayor pete buttigieg. i'm still practicing his name. >> you and me both. >> he was very good. liz warren excellent. and we expected that bernie sanders. and kamala harris and cory booker. but i was very, very surprised at how well -- when beto came on, it was polite when he left he almost got a standing ovation. i think it's because they respected the audience and talked policy and took on the question of institutional racism head on and didn't duck. >> i have a precise question

about one of the people you mentioned. bernie sanders was the runner up in 2016. there's no analysis of that saying coming out of the race the main impediment is he didn't get enough votes of nonwhite voters that are key in the democratic nomination. he's a front runner in the race, a top tier, nearly won iowa, new hampshire, et cetera, et cetera. has bernie sanders made enroads, the kind he needs if he's going to be the democratic nominee, to draw a sought piece of that vote? >> i think he has worked on that, i must say as one that questioned him two years ago, he has been very much involved in a lot of the issues that have come up. he stayed in touch with a lot of people around the country. i think he has made inroads, how much we have to see. i think he has worked at it, not

denied it, he has taken it head on and tried to deal with it, as have the other candidates. i think with beto and mayor pete and what others understand is that you cannot win without a sizable block of the black vote. >> you mentioned beto, let me put something up for you donna edwards. here's beto on something provocative. i want your thoughts. >> the president of the united states has called mexican immigrants rapists and criminals. we would not be surprised if in the third reich, others were described as an infestation, a cockroach you want to kill but to do that in 2017, 2018 united states of america -- >> straight talk or too far? >> i think beto and a number of the candidates are hitting on something w

historically at donald trump and his rhetoric today and compare hi it's appropriate. look, what i saw at the national action network range of the