promise you. and every time we have class, she's dancing. that's all for this edition of "dateline extra." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning, i'm phillip mena. it is 6:00 in the east, 3:00 out west and here's what's happening. tax return fight. the new mood made by the president's lawyer and the one word the president keeps bringing up as the reason to keep those documents private. back at the border. the president inspecting part of the wall after walking back a big threat. the security breach at mar-a-lago and the secretary of state linking it to a broader threat from china. plus the hip-hop radio show that's become a key stop for 2020 hopefuls. the legal battle over the president's tax returns is escalating. his lawyers now trying to block

the official request from house democrats for six years of the president's personal and business returns. in a new letter to the irs, the general counsel, the president's lawyer argues, democrats have no legitimate legislative reason to request the presidents tax returns. they claim house ways and means chairman richard neil wants to use that information to damage the president politically. the president echoing that argument. >> i got elected. they elected me. now they keep going. i'm under audit. when you're under audit, you don't do it. other people are under audit and nobody would do it when you're going through an audit. they audit me all the time. >> chairman neil gave the irs until wednesday invoking a tax law that gives him the authority to request that information from any person. after backing off his threat to close the southern border the president toured a section of border fencing that was upgraded

as part of a project first approved under the obama administration. protesters at the border condemned his plan to build a border wall. he sent this message to immigrants and asylum seekers. >> we're full. we can't take you any more, whether it's asylum or whether it's illegal immigration, can't take you any more. we can't take you. our country is full. our area's full. the sector is full. can't take you any more, i'm sorry. can't happen. so turn around. that's the way it is. >> the house of representatives and 20 states are now suing the president over his emergency declaration. >> any crisis at the border is of president trump's own making. president trump is not above the law. it's not just the law, it's the constitution. also yesterday a group of congressional democrats visiting border ports of entry and they

saw the conditions of migrants and asylum seekers in el paso, texas. >> we are confirmed that people are being turned away, asylum seekers are being turned away at the ports of entry. that was confirmed here today. >> i have been to a refugee facility in jordan and i tell you that there are things that i saw here today in the united states of america that were worse than what i saw in jordan. >> what we're doing to these people is the most un-american thing i have ever seen. >> hans niccols joining me now in las vegas. it is 3:00 a.m. where you are. that's primetime in sin city. >> reporter: it is. >> what are the big headlines from the president today? >> reporter: the president we'll be talking to a friendly audience so we can expect a greatest hit tour we expect from the president and we may also

get the latest on what he's saying about shutting down the border. he's very close on reversing himself yet again in closing down that border. the president laid out his goals and it's clear that he wants to get his wall no matter what. >> some of it's 30 feet, some of it's 15 feet, some of it's 12 feet depending on the area, much of it's reinforced heavily and very, very hard to climb. if you want to climb that, it's pretty sharp up on top too. if you want to climb that, well, you deserve whatever you can get but it's a very, very hard. it's called anticlimb. so it's a great wall and it looks -- i think it looks fantastic. >> reporter: phil, i'll just give you the news a little bit here about what the president said. he said he's going to get 400 miles of wall by 2020. his budget calls for about 700 miles of wall, but crucially the

head of the army corps. of engineers, he said they'll have 300 miles of wall completed by 2020, so contracts are rolling out, the plan to use the emergency declaration and have the army corps of engineers build the wall is going full steam ahead. of course, there are court challenges. there's now a challenge in court by members of congress. now here in las vegas the president's looking to expand his coalition but more importantly, raise money. he's speaking in front of the republican jewish coalition, so we'll see how he talks about the middle east, peace process, we'll see if he talks about his decision to recognize israel's controlling the golan heights as well as moving the embassy to jerusalem what the president says is the capital of israel. we'll also see what his latest is on who should run i.c.e., guys. this is a crucial decision. it was just a couple days ago the president reversed himself and said he wouldn't be his nominee. he wants someone tougher, phillip. >> before you go, is the president signaling a prolonged

battle over his tax returns? >> reporter: yes. he's digging in. he says he's not going to do that. not only is he saying that publicly, the people he's installed at the irs in terms on the legal front, these are people that are loyal to him and this is not something the president feels like he's going to give in. if we know anything about donald trump up to this point, is that he doesn't like to give in, phillip. >> all thank you. let's discuss this further with senior reporter and a congressional reporter. thank you both for joining us. let's start with the fight over the president's tax returns. this is an attempt to damage the president politically he says. so what is the line from democrats here? >> democrats have been saying as they have all along that it is their mission to make sure there is oversight of the president, that is the house's role, this is the house's responsibility and it took three months before

the house ways and means committee chairman rich neil was willing to move forward. they spent weeks consulting with the house counsel and spent weeks deciding which documents to request, how many years, the reason they're requesting six years and not ten, they chose six years because they believe this is going to be best in court. they're being very strategic about this. they say this is an oversight role. they are not saying this is an overpolitical role but it's likely that we won't see the end of this before 2020, which, of course, is when the president's re-election will be. >> the decision to release the president's tax returns may ultimately be decided by treasury secretary steve mnuchin. here's what he told the ways and committees last month. >> we will follow the law and we will protect the president as we would protect any individual taxpayer under their rights. >> it's unclear whether he can

do that but what we do know is secretary mnuchin up until this point has a proven record of remaining relatively loyal to the president as we've seen over the last couple of years. it's also important to note like sara said that the house committee was very strategic when they requested these tax returns and specifically under the provision that they requested them under, it says that the treasury department and irs must, quote, furnish the information they're asked for. it doesn't seem like there's much leeway from a legal standpoint for them to refuse to release them. >> if congress gets a look at the president's tax returns, will any of that information leak to the public? there's a big penalty for passing on someone's tax information. >> i think that's unclear at this point. democrats have said they'll be very cautious. they've not indicate that had they're going to turn this into a big show, but you can expect that they'll hold hearings on this, you can expect that they will be using this information for political mea party would be in the house if they were fighting against a

president that they're trying to beat in the next election. i think that, of course, there will be some sensitive information that democratic leadership will be cautious with because they know this could really backfire on them but at the same time their primary mission is to ensure the information gets out there and a lot of it has leaked out through the press. democrats would love to be able to confirm some of this inflammatory reporting that's been going on against the president's taxes for the last two years. >> it goes to the core. do you think this battle will end up in the supreme court? >> it's really unclear at this point. what we do know is that the supreme court has had two separate instances where they've flagged conflicts like this and said it's not clear whether congressional committees or congress in general can force the executive branch to do anything. if this does end up before the supreme court, we don't know whether they're going to punt this decision as they have in the past or if they're actually going to come to a conclusion on

it. >> let's turn now to the battle of the release of the mueller report because mueller investigators are expressing their frustration that their evidence was more damaging than what the attorney general released. sara, are there any indications as to why mueller's investigators waited 11 days to finally speak out to journalists? >> i think you can see the frustration building. this is a very tense time on both sides here and what's going to be really notable is attorney general barr will be speaking on capitol hill next tuesday. he'll be appearing for an appropriations hearing. i can guarantee you the questions will be beyond just the funding for the department of justice, but i think we did see the -- we're starting to see the public divide between mueller's team and barr's team as the time goes on. we don't know what's in the report yet. democrats are going to be seizing on the fact that they don't know what's going on seriously with the information coming out through the press from mueller's team. this is just giving more fuel to democrats to really press on to

seert. >> official tells "the washington post" that there were summaries of the mueller report prepared for public consumption with minimum redactions required. the department of justice refutes that, if the attorney general wants to be seen as impartial here, why would he not release those summaries? >> the attorney general has been pretty clear on his belief that he will not release any part of the report or any summary of it until he has gone through and redacted certain categories of information, you know, for example, grand jury testimony, classified information, information that could compromise sources and methods and so on, but i think it's important as we look at this story to really take a step back and to remember that mueller's team has been one of the tightest ships in washington. i mean the only information that we ever found out about the russia probe over the last two years was -- it came through us through either court documents or, you know, witnesses who had been interviewed who then spoke to the press. mueller's team never said one

word. the fact that they're now talking to their associates about their concerns here it really tells us how high the tensions must be between these two sides. >> please sit tight for you, if you will. we'll come back to you in just a few moments to talk about 2020. a new turn in the security breach at mar-a-lago. why the secretary of state is now calling it a broader threat?

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because that was on every page, they created their own summary, processed the information, complied with the rules and supplied that summary to congress. so you can see both sides here and understand the frustration on both. >> according to barr, the special counsel says the president is not exonerated from committing a crime and the "daily beast" article says that barr's decision to conclude on obstruction, quote, did the opposite of what he claims to have strived for. he waited waist deep into political territory there. what happens if a cover-up to protect the president is eventually revealed? how can that be proven? >> remember, when it comes to obstruction, ag barr previously authored an unsolicited memorandum concluding that in many cases the president cannot obstruct justice especially when he fires a member of his own cabinet or aides or something like that, so that is a -- that is a major part of this entire

investigation, but barr's report, barr's summary, notification, really, only concludes that there is no obstruction in the criminal sense and never reaches the issue of whether or not he considered whether the president could, in fact, obstruct justice. so the conclusion of the barr memo is really on obstruction no conclusion at all. >> the attorney general has said that he will be releasing the redacted version of the mueller report sometime in mid-april, that's just a couple weeks from now at the very latest, but in an article, they argued the congress should sue for the mueller materials today. so let's say they did that. how long would that take for the battle to be resolved in court? >> that could take a very long time, even an adversary decision at a district court level would result in an appeal and even a fast tracked appeals take time. that's why when it comes to congressional subpoenas, compromise is often the better part of valor.

that's why you don't see congress taking such hardlines on their subpoena the way the justice department might with their subpoenas because congress knows that reaching an agreement often gets the materials faster as opposed to a lengthy court battle which could result in them getting those documents and likely will but not for quite a long time. >> all right. danny, as always, thank you for your expertise. the hip-hop show that has become a very key stop for 2020 contenders. we'll tell you why it's so important next. but first, college basketball's final four on the women's side defending champion notre dame outlasted uconn in a nail biter last night 81-76. they overcame a 9 point deficit to advance and they'll face the baylor bears. final score there was 72-67. so it will be notre dame and baylor playing tomorrow for the national title. tonight on the men's side, auburn plays top ranked virginia for a spot in the championship

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contenders are making their pitches to african-american voters. many speaking this week at reverend al sharpton's national action network among the topics discussed, civil rights, reparations and criminal justice reform. candidates are also lining up to be heard on the breakfast club, a radio show with millions of african-american and latino listeners. julian castro was there yesterday answering tough questions including one on police reform. >> i was two blocks away from the church and, of course, in 2015, dylann roof when into the church and murdered nine people and i've said, if dylann roof can do that and then a few hours later be apprehended without incident, as he should be, then what about eric garner and what about stefan clark and what about walter scott and what about michael brown and what about sandra bland. >> morgan ratford has more on how the breakfast club is

becoming a must-do for anyone seeking the nomination. >> reporter: for democratic presidential hopefuls there's the iowa caucus, the new hampshire primary and now -- >> good morning, everybody. >> reporter: the charlamagne caucus. eight years ago the breakfast club radio show started here in new york with the focus on hip-hop and the black community. >> how we going to have free tuition? >> i'll tell you how. >> reporter: now deejay envy and angela gee have more than 3.5 youtube subscribers and syndication in 90 markets. they've already hosted almost a third of the democratic field this year making unexpected headlines in the process. >> have you ever smoked? >> i have. it was a long time ago. >> reporter: is it a risk for a candidate to come on your show? >> i don't think it's a risk. it's no more risk than sitting

on any other outlet that may ask you about something that you have going on. >> it is a risk. if you've been fake, it's a risk. >> reporter: their audience, 77% african-american or hispanic, a key demographic making up nearly a third of the democratic primary electorate, voters hillary clinton reached out to in 2016. >> hot sauce in my bag, swag. >> hot sauce. >> people are going to see this and say she's pandering to black people. >> is it working? >> tell me about the hot sauce moment. >> i thought it was an authentic moment. this is one of the time where i said you're pand touring black people and she said is it working. that was an honest answer. >> reporter: what are they getting wrong? >> not having a agenda. >> reporter: you don't want a spiritual, you want an explicit agenda. >> absolutely. black people's vote is broken.

>> reporter: you just can't be vague in your answer. >> a lot of time people don't have real solutions. >> reporter: a lesson that julian castro were taking to heart. were you nervous about coming on this show? >> you got to be on top of your game because it's not just the usual political questions that they'll ask. >> we got a special guest in the building. >> reporter: do you interview the kamala the same way you interview kanye? >> hip-hop is a wide genre. why wouldn't -- why wouldn't you come here? >> reporter: should they be coming here first? >> i don't see why not. joe biden should be coming here to announce he's going to run for president. why not? >> reporter: a new campaign stop on the road to 2020. >> that was morgan ratford reporting. let's discuss the run for

president back with us is our reporters. let's start with former vice president joe biden. he had this to say after facing allegations from women who say they had encounters with them that made them feel uncomfortable. >> i just want you to know i had permission to hug lonny. by the way, he gave me permission to touch him. >> i ral my responsibility is to not invade the space of anyone who is uncomfortable. i'm sorry i didn't understand it. i'm not sorry for any of my intentions. >> what do you think about what you just heard there? why would he joke about that? >> it's not clear. it's straight up contradicts what he said earlier yesterday when he said the error this week when he said he was taking these allegations seriously and that he was examining his own behavior and that he intended to change going forward and while all of this is still so fresh in the news and in the public's

mindset, i'm not sure if it's the most politically, you know, smart strategy to joke about it to a primarily male audience, too. it's not clear what joe biden was thinking when he said that. >> yeah. he had said, i get it. that's what he said. that remains to be seen if he did, he says he wants to be the last one to announce he'll be running for president and he was asked about the ideological orientation of the democratic party. here's what he said about that. >> the vast majority of the members of the democratic party are still basically liberal to moderate democrats in the traditional sense. i'm an obama/biden democrat, man and i'm proud of it. >> is he trying to assuage those that fear the democratic party is moving way to the left? is that going to make it harder for him? >> i think he's trying to carve out a lane for himself here. there are several centrist democrats in the race, former

congressman beto o'rourke, current senator amy klobuchar have both tried to carve out this midwestern southern values. they want to see not necessarily some of the most progressive policies but they do still want to have policies that can be embraced by a broad coalition of democratic voters as well as some independent voters. that's going to be a crucial voting block in 2020 and what joe biden is clearly trying to do here is find a way for himself to be inserted into this race that is not duplicating the personality and the politics of another person. that's very difficult when there are more than a dozen people in the race, so, of course, he's waiting to see where he can find his lane. >> now we want to talk about stacey abrams. she told nbc this week, she'll make the decision on whether to run for senate or president by this fall. she spoke about it at the national action network. >> i just buried my grandmother. she was 92. she lived through the days when she couldn't cast a vote.

she lived to see her daughter become the first african-american woman in american history to be nominated to be governor. but she did not live -- she did not live to see me take an oath of office. now i don't know which oath is coming up next -- >> run stacey run! >> we all heard that chant there, run stacey run. there's such an anticipation of an african-american woman from the south potentially running for president? >> the biggest thing it shows us is the democratic base and american voters in general are ready for new blood in the democratic party and i think across american politics in general. one of the most fascinating things about donald trump's presidency is that it's also encouraged a lot of the democratic candidates, people like stacey abrams who haven't announced if she's going to run,

people like stacey abrams as well as the candidates who have announced to embrace more progressive policies and to really make an effort to reach out to the more disenfranchised people across the country. >> all right. thank you so much for joining us this morning. the security breach at mar-a-lago and whether it is part of a much larger threat from china. but first a quick programming note. msnbc's now live every saturday and sunday at 6:00 eastern. we hope you can join us. we're back in a moment. ♪ memories. what we deliver by delivering. you wouldn't accept an incomplete job from any one else.

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empower politics and paychecks. bigger pay days. the march jobs report shows wages are up 3.2% from a year ago as the labor market remains tight. employers added 196,000 jobs rebounding from february's paltry 33,000 hirings. the unemployment rate held steady at 3.8%. the better than expected jobs data fueled another rally on wall street. that capped a week in which the nasdaq shot up by more than 2.35%. the dow and s&p 500 by 2%. >> we'll have a great health care package, i think the republican party will become the party of health care. >> access to affordable health care should be a right and should not be a privilege of just those who can afford to pay for it. >> with president trump and 2020 democrats battling over health care, a new gallup poll provides

sobering statistics. for example, americans borrowed $88 billion for health care last year. out-of-pocket costs amounted to $126 billion and sadly, a quarter of americans could not afford treatment so they put it off. new details now on a chinese woman arrested at mar-a-lago. prosecutors are describing her as an extreme flight risk. she told the judge yesterday she owns a $1.3 million home and a bmw in china. prosecutors say the woman was held for trying to bring an unusual number of electronic devices on to the president's property. >> are you concerned that the chinese may be trying to conduct some espionage against the united states by spying on you at mar-a-lago? >> i saw the story. i haven't spoken to anybody about it other than i had a brief -- a brief meeting, gave me a little bit of information. no, i'm not concerned at all. no, i think that was just a fluke situation. >> is this an act of espionage? >> so i can't talk about the details of the incident. there's an active investigation

taking place, but i think this tells the american people the threat that china poses. >> joining me now christopher dickey world news editor with the "daily beast." christopher, good morning. you heard the president say it's a fluke, the secretary of state says it's a threat. these may sound like opposing views but could they both be right here? >> i think that this particular case of this particular woman is probably a fluke. if she was a spy she must be the clumsiest spy in history. on the other hand, it's absolutely true there is a massive espionage operation mounted by the chinese not only against the american government, the president, congress, every branch of the government, but also very much against american technology leaders and businesses. one of the huge issues in the ongoing negotiations with china is the theft of intellectual property. some of that is overt, a lot of it is covert. pompeo is absolutely right when

he says there is a massive effort by the chinese to spy on america. >> let me run through here what this clumsy effort here was just at. she showed up around noon last saturday asked to use the pool. she wasn't on the guest list. she showed two chinese passports, was given a golf cart ride to the palace doors, passed three more agents, went through magnet om terz, then past two more agents. she finally arrived at the reception where they detected that she was not authorized. the president playing golf at the time not too far away. did the secret service drop the ball here? >> clearly, it dropped the ball. i think this also speaks to a bigger problem which is the corruption and confusion in this administration. mar-a-lago is the perfect symbol of an administration that's essentially pay-to-play. if you want to get a membership at mar-a-lago and fork out a few hundred thousand you can rub shoulders all the time with president trump because he's there all the time. he's there probably almost as

much as he's in the white house. so you have this situation where i think it leaves a lot of people confused, especially since a lot of the people who are paying to play as we know aren't just chinese. we also had the famous incident of the chinese massage parlor owner who was literally rubbing shoulders with the president and taking selfies with him at mar-a-lago. it is just a perfect symbol of the corruption of this administration. >> the suspect is also charged with making false statements to a federal officer, specifically about how well she understood english. federal agents say after she was detained, she became verbally aggressive with agents and questioned them about the written consent to search her computer devices, so why do you think this wouldn't make the details hearing here -- make him a little nervous about what he heard there? >> it would make me nervous about the secret service and it's ability to deal with people

being confused. i am sure that the president is lying or at least being tee sep tiff when he says he didn't really think much about it, it's just a fluke. it problem is a fluke but it's a major, major security breach. >> the fbi is now starting a counterintelligence investigation into whether mar-a-lago is vulnerable to foreign spies. does this seem like a reoccur theme here? >> absolutely. it is vulnerable to foreign spies. we know that. the secret service knows that. the fbi knows that. look, the whole trump operation is hugely vulnerable to people who want to influence it by -- because they offer a lot of money. this was also the problem with the russians. we know that -- we know that trump was negotiating a multi-million dollar deal with the russians through most of the political campaign in 2016. he's out for the money. his family is out for the money and mar-a-lago is a perfect example of that. the chinese have a lot of money.

>> do you think he even has a problem with that sort of access? >> do i think he has a problem with that kind of access? >> despite these security concerns that we're seeing here, it's clearly happening over and over again here. >> i think, you know, from his point of view, if it brings in money to the family's coffers, it's probably a good thing and he thinks that he's invulnerable to influence. in a sense it's what we see with the debate about collusion with russia. what we think is in the mueller report is indications that the russians were all over the trump campaign trying to pay off lights of people offering all kinds of incentives and trump feels, well, no he didn't collude, he just accepted all these gifts from the russians. and he doesn't feel guilty about that. i think he feels the same way about people contributing huge amounts of money at mar-a-lago and staying in trump properties, staying in the trump hotel here in washington, all that's just grist to the mill or money in his pocket as it will.

>> all right. christopher, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you. it is a headline getting lots of attention, trump already plotting his post white house tell-all memoir. we'll talk about it at the top of the hour. president trump's comments this week that wind mills kill birds and wind turbines cause cancer are drawing some late night laughs. >> noise does not cause cancer, although i believe listening to donald trump might cause brain damage. >> president trump claimed that the noise made by wind turbines causes cancer. i've been trying to decide all day what the craziest part of that sentence is and i think it's president. >> yes. yes, it's true, donald trump grieves for the birds. here he is attending the wake for a beloved chicken. the funeral was open bucket.

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is there anything you'd like to say about it? >> nothing whatsoever. nothing whatsoever. i have nothing to say about it. i got elected. they elected me, now they keep going. i'm under audit. when you're under audit, you don't do it, but i'm under audit. other people are under audit and nobody would do it when you are going through an audit and i always go through audits. they audit me all the time. >> that was seven audits that he dropped by my count there. he was asked about his finances, of course, in light of the house ways and means committee formally requesting that the irs hand over six years of the president's personal and business tax returns. a request that certainly will not come without a fight. joining me now to discuss are conservative radio talk show host and attorney shawn del summer and democratic strategist and former adviser to the hillary clinton campaign in south carolina antoine see riri. >> good morning. >> the president constantly asked about his taxes. he always says he's under audit as we heard there.

even if he is under audit, that doesn't stop him from releasing them. what do you think he's trying to hide by not releasing them? >> i think that the issue is whether or not his tax returns should be released since he's been president or for the period prior to his becoming president. i think those are two different issues. it's one thing to say, let's see your tax returns since you've been president, but the private business that he was in prior to him becoming president, that should be off-base. >> and that's what the president's new lawyer said, a transparent effort by one political party to harass an official from the other party because they dislike his politics and speech. why should the american people believe this probe isn't just to borrow a phrase from the president, another witch-hunt? >> because the republican party and donald trump in particular want to play by a different set of rules. they want to play different strokes for different folks. if this was a democratic party,

if this were barack obama, people would be screaming to the top of their lungs, they would be screaming impeachment, they would be doing all the things saying we need to see his tax returns. the bottom line is, i'm from south carolina, so we have famo south that says there's something in the milk that ain't clean if the president doesn't want to be transparent and releasing his tax returns . if he doesn't have anything to hide, release them. let the american people see so we can move on. at the end of the day, what we need from this white house and this president is transparency. it seems as if transparency is not the name of the game that this president wants to play. >> chandelle. go ahead. i want you to respond. >> the american people obviously didn't care about president trump's tax returns because they elected him. >> that's not true. no, no, no. some did not. >> they elected him and this issue came up before the election. he refused to release the tax

returns prior to the election because he said he was under audit. now congress has stepped in. they asked that the chairman of the house ways and means committee has requested his tax returns and requested them through the irs commissioner. president trump is saying at this point he's not going release them. whether or not he releases some of them, but not all, is a good issue. that's where they should compromise. >> no disrespect. you and i know that is the biggest load of meatloaf we ever heard. there are millions of people every single day who are under audit. that doesn't an lu them to not release their tax returns. you and i know that. in fact, warren buffett has been under audit. he was willing to come forward and release his returns.

that doesn't preclude or not allow president trump donald trump to do the same. we know there are things he doesn't warrant peopnt people t >> antjuan, there are issues that are still unsolved. if you throw those to the public, you have a crowd sourcing information within the tax returns. >> we have seen -- no, no. just because you say it on the saturday morning does not make it true. in fact, we see many experts who say he can, yes, he can release returns if he wanted. the bottom line, he doesn't want to. >> it is not a good idea for him to have his tax returns. >> correct your statement. it is not a good idea for him politically. >> pundits and antagonistic people who want to destroy him. there is no reason for him to

release his tax rueturns when h was elected without them. >> if he does not have anything to hide, why not release them to the american people so we can see? he is playing hide and go seek. >> as an american citizen, are you curious if the country had relationships with saudi arabia or china? are you not curious what is in his recent past? >> we just gone through a t two-year investigation where it was determined he did not coordinate with the russian government. >> you are saying -- >> conspired with any other foreign government. i'm not really -- >> she brought up a valid point. we went through an investigation. we were able to see. first of all, we don't know what we don't know because the full report has not been released. we know preliminary things. we do not know anything preliminary about donald trump's

tax returns because we have not seen them. we just went through an investigation. yes. we don't know what we don't know and as it relates to the tax returns, we don't know what we don't know. >> you are okay as an american citizen not knowing? >> this country has grown up with donald trump. he was a household name in the 1980s. we all know his business. we all know what television programs. no one is curious about the tax returns other than the media and political opponents. this is the democratic party basically searching for another avenue since the mueller investigation had petered out. they are no longer able to use that to defame the president. >> that is not true. the former representative from south carolina, mark sanford said during the course of the campaign, he and other members of the republican caucus wanted to see the president's returns. for you to sit here on saturday

morning and say that is political malpractice. it is disheartening. the one thing we have to do, whether it is trump, obama, no matter who the leader of the free world is and who we elect, we should be in the spirit of transparency and know the person occupying the highest office in the land and what they are doing. you would be singing loud if this was barack obama. >> we need to allow the president to focus on more important matters. this constant investigation to find a way to trip him up to use in the next election is problematic for the american people. it is counter productive for the democratic party and it will back fire. >> you are saying it is counter productive for the american people to know whether the president has any foreign influence? >> that's not necessarily counter productive. he has been through a two-year investigation into whether or not he was conspireing with the

russian government. a charge for which he was exonerated. >> lively debate. >> can i say one thing? you are making the assumptions that a democrat cannot investigate and legislate. democrats can investigate and legislate. they have an obligation to hold this president and this administration accountable. >> both of you, out of sight. chandelle summer and ant juan seawright, thank you. does that give the democrats a decided edge in 2020? speciay u distracted teenager has the car. at subaru, we're taking on distracted driving [ping] with sensors that alert you when your eyes are off the road. the all-new subaru forester.

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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. i'm phillip mena. here is alex witt. >> did you ever think you would do that? >> no rob bass. it was fun. >> thank you, phillip. see you tomorrow morning. good morning to you here from msnbc headquarters in new york. 7:00 a.m. in the east. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." tax returns fight. the president's personal lawyer makes a move to keep the president's records private. >> the law is clear. the irs shall turnover the tax returns if they get a request. >> the president's return to the border and the new message he has for migrants. plus,