page was marked -- something that protects confidential grand "weekends with alex witt." jury information and makes the stay where you are. it something that cannot be it is time for "up with david gura." publicly released. jerry nad ler heads out the (speaking in foreign language) ♪ help! i need somebody on this saturday morning, house judiciary committee. this is what he had to say. ♪ help! not just anybody this is "up". ♪ help! you know i need someone i'm david gura. after nearly two years of >> barr is an agent of the silence the special council's president. team is speaking out complaining he was put there for that purpose. so that is his job to protect about president trump's the president personally. and one would not therefore trust the accuracy of anything he produced. complaints that the robert mueller exonerates him. and raising new questions and pushing back on the summary that apparently is not a summary even though officials and >> i've heard it referred to as lawmakers say otherwise. the "summary non summary" which >> i've read the barr summary which is what everybody else has became mantra so i stole it. read. >> i agree in the main that there is a very very good there was a closed universe during the investigation. and those people were very loyal summary. >> attorney general barr issues a summary. >> all as the president travels to the u.s. slk mexico border to bob mueller.

touting parts on the wall on the 49th day what he continues to all the a national emergency. now that the special council's >> if you want to climb that, investigation is at an end that universe is breaking apart. you deserve whatever you can so it is not like they are going get. >> the cash stash that is to be able to tightly control dividing democratic candidates. everything that was learned over and joe biden's non apology the last 22 b months about the president and his tour. administration. >> are you surprised by the leaks? surprised they are talk about a way they weren't as you say >> just want you to know, i have there was that central gravity permission to hug lonnie. around bob mueller? >> yes and no. i'm a little surprise because once loyal to bob mueller, always o loyal to bob mueller. i'm less surprised that if these >> it is saturday april the 6th and still no decision on the hard-working law enforcement agents and prosecutors are vice president on whether he's seeing this gross injustice by running or not. but one thing is clear. he sure isn't apologizing. bill barr misrepresenting what they found over a 22 month >> he's not harvey weinstein or investigation. it can't help but come out. and it needs to come out. art kelly. it needs to come out first in he's more like the tsa. congress in whatever protected and it is getting ridiculous. a woman before today she was form, you know. if it needs to be redacted i understand that. but then it needs to come out to touched by one of his speeches. welcome back to "up." >> that would be this morning. the american people because it feels like the mueller team now president trump in california

that it is breaking apart is so friday for his third time as a continuing op ed writer and an president visit ago border wall frustrated that things are being that was, as we mentioned, associate professor at new york misrepresented. that, you know, truth is truth funded under president obama. and it needs to get out. president trump had dinner last >> we've talked before about night with local officials at a university. for-profit golf course in rancho host of "sunday civics" and an bill barr who he was, what he palace verdes. said in the past. as you watch this unfold do you it is an uneasy relationship between the president and the msnbc legal analyst. see a guy reckoning with the country's most populous state. two weeks since special council consequences of what he's done? just before he landed, the there's been four millimeters robert mueller handed over his golden state greeted him with final report to the justice now back and forth when he and its 49th lawsuit against the department. administration. others challenged him on the new reporting raises questions lawmakers on capitol. travel ban, on health care and, about his petition to summarize what do you make of that? yes, on the border. >> it all reeks of this what we the document. some of the special council team president trump has repeatedly are accusing the attorney knew about him going into the general of down playing their office before. >> we saw that 19 page memo. butted heads with gavin newsome. findings. sources tell the "new york times" the report is more damaging for the president than >> yeah. barr revealed in his summary. it is really about -- and that is what i think about this an unnamed u.s. official tells and who could forget this entire administration, and i think a number of people think moment, president trump offer the washington post, "there was some unsolicited advice in the about this entire aftermath of those devastating immediate displeasure from the administration, that people are mueller team when they saw how there to protect donald trump or wildfires. >> better take care of the floors, you know? the attorney general had the floors of the forest, very to protect an individual rather characterized their work." than protecting the american important. you look at other countries people and protecting our where they do it differently and . with the view they could be made country. and it is very clear you can see it's a whole different story. that even in the response in the public. of course they have not wet been i was with the president of release of information here. finland and he said we have -- made public. on question of obstruction of justice a former federal popular right? the whole reason of this

investigation partly was to talk much different. about how russia, how this we're a forest nation. tells nbc attorney general believed the case was he called it a forest nation. foreign entity infiltrated our and they spent a lot of tooimg complicated because donald election process in our country. time on raking and cleaning and trump's actions are authorized doing things and they don't have around his presidential powers. lost in the conversation that any problem. >> the president of finland at least one faction when the reason why we want this information released. dispensing with those comments the reason why it should go much the same way after they mueller's office says their intent was to leave the intent congress. were made. the reason why we should know the most populist state in the more about this is because we country, certainly if you look of obstruction open for congress should know how a foreign entity at something that's a poll to infiltrated our country and what the president is doing, i mentioned the 49 lawsuits, this infiltrated our election process in advance of another election is as much as an adversary process coming up so we can proper protect our country. statewise as a president could get. >> it's not only the 49 lawsuits. instead everybody is caught up it's also on an emergency in the vortex of donald trump and even from the democratic side in our zeal in going after the information, it is still declarations which he's threatened to take money away. framed in a way that is going after donald trump. he's the president of all states rather than framing in a way of and i think it's something he we need to protect our country, forgets, as well. but the truth is, california is we need to protect the american leading the world in innovation, leading the nation in climate people against, you know, foreign adversaries and we need change. this information in order to do they are the antithesis on to so. >> do you see that transition what is happening in washington, happening. d.c. it's what's happening up and laying out the framework which a down the west coast and east

lot of people are seeing that coast, as well. document t barr document, not s showing you two different visions of how you can run this the report itself. do you see beginning to change into the point about how we've country. they're showing how you can do seen bill barr in the past here it. and frankly, the people in san is? we continue to hear the diego aren't worried about border crossings. they don't want their border president refer to him nominally stopped because they know about the 100,000 people in car that's as the attorney general but he go across every single day. would be somewhere moor like a >> it's the president versus white house council. >> what we need to do is find california but it's also the this out because of transparency president versus the attorney general of that state, it's gave and government accountability. and i think one of these for newsome, before that it was jerry brown. there are individuals there almost two years now the special going mono amono with the council has been like america's president. >> one thing that is always true civic security blanket. about president trump is he's regard loes of the craziness. vindictive. if he views you as an enemy, like the special council is a space where the rule of law and which is pretty much anyone who accountability is going to be doesn't agree with everything happening. >> in view of a lot of hope. that he says and done, he's >> yeah. and the feeling -- but vindictive. and so there's nothing very surprising about the fact that criminality beyond a reasonable he will use the power of the doute is an incredible high bar. we have a real need to know what's in this document. the american people i think are craving that information. and i think it is an incredible shame that trump is going to

betray that desire and mueller's folks leaking. i think they must be so appalled given the work they have done and commitments they have to see office to punish anyone he sees their work being undermined. as an enemy. for people who care about law to i think that's who he is. watch this happening. there is an up surge of folks >> yesterday it was speculated against this. but i think it is going to be that there was a hole in the really interesting to see how -- president's schedule, it was likely he would go to the trump they try to play it as simply a national los angeles golf club to have dinner. partisan issue when it is a rule this was a property that he bought with a big loan that he of law transparency and since paid off but there have accountability and that that is been negotiations over whether what we've been hanging our hopes on in a world that's he can sell houses on the veered off course for the last o property. two years. lo and behold, the prophecy >> what we've learned the last week. comes true, he invites members i mentioned the report on the "new york times" and the of the rancho palace verdes to washington post and nbc news as well. you see lawmakers citing that have dinner. because he wanted to have the reporting. jerry nadler in his most recent company at dinner. but yet again, again in the memo siting from the washington post in particular to say look context of the crucible of we've learned from this california, you have eric trump reporting. the summaries. who is supposed to be overseeing we need toes summaries released automatic the while the press all of the president's continue to bash the media businesses down playing the fact that on this two-day trip, one still. took the "new york times" to task erroneously about what they day of which the president spent

in california, he makes time to reported saying there were no real source in the first piece that came out. go to his personal golf course. what stands out to you as you >> and they were overdue in paying their property taxes read that corpsus. on -- >> i delivered that to you. what's most striking to you? >> on 24 acres of that property. >> you have two of the 19 and finalitily paid up last week prosecutors. also perhaps, what, fifty fbi agents who have spent 20 months investigating whether or not russia interfered in our only because "the washington post" caught them. elections or whether or not anyone in trump's orbit interfered with russia in an this is where all of us get our illegal manner which basically coconut juice and put our birken under mined national security and the elections. and they are so concerned about sddz stocks on. the national security of this it's why he's losing the election. country that despite their but, yeah, he needs it. loyalty to mueller they are like he needs the money. and his hole in his schedule, i we also have loyalty to the believe it was the first time in american people and this two years he visited that country. and so we might leak to the "new property. and i think one of the under cover issues right now is i york times" and then go to the believe his golf clubs are very washington post to confirm and much under water. krobt to let you too american there is a misnomer that he people know you are not getting the full truth. and it is not the summary. stopped building things and it is the cliff note of the licenses his name. summary of the report done by -- he actually owns all these golf

that's what it is, right? clubs outright. and he's overpaid for them. done by a man who volunteered as he's done the pure trump overpay a private citizen to be the attorney general in the 19 page for a vanity property like the sick single space written letter plaza or eastern airlines and i don't think they've got the cash. which he say executive power they were denied, as you mentioned. they tried to buy the turnbull protects donald trump and let's go to place, the deputy general property by leveraging some of the courses here. and i think that's why you see whitaker who applied on cnn him go into these places is attacking the mueller report and because he's got the tin cup. replaced jeff session who was supposed to be the yes man and he's panhandling across donald trump allegedly fired him california. >> to play around at that course because why did you recuse yourself from russia, so if you is for $300 and for another are the american people looking public course in the greater los at this you have to protect the angeles area is about 30 bucks. mueller report but you also have to protect the integrity of the we say good morning to all of you watching in california. up next, it is trump versus justice department and that is what trump is tainting. biden. and if you have no faith as a this week, offering a preview of citizen in your attorney general and the justice department and what's to come and what might be to prump as the president bob mueller's report, which we still haven't seen, it clouds stepped up his fight with the not just trump but the entire former vice president, the fight joe biden could be looking justice department and transparency and truth and law. forward to. >> if we were in high school, i >> very quickly. would take him behind the gym lastly i was citing some code and beat the hell out of him. e and beat the hell out of him so, you're open all day, every day. the my introduction. that is the justice department that's what 24/7 means, sugar.

defense that every page was kind of like how you get 24/7 access marked in such a way that it couldn't be revealed to the to licensed agents with geico. hmm? public immediately. what do you make of that. yeah, you just go online, >> we put that on all of these or give them a call anytime. kind of investigatives reports you don't say. yep. now what will it take to get 24/7 access as just a safety measure. so that means very little. to that lemon meringue pie? it is important and we need to pay attention to possibly pie! privileged material in there. pie's coming! no doubt about it. but we kind of slap that on that's what it takes, baby. geico®. great service from licensed agents, 24/7. everything just as a precaution. i'm going to go with the glass being at least still a third full. here is what i'll say. >> a fourth. a fourth. >> here is what i'll say. it may be that bob mueller couldn't quite find enough evidence to support let's say a conspiracy charge because there is some little evidentiary deficiency. but what i can tell you because i've reviewed a lot of these kind of investigations and i've concluded the same thing. there is a lot of incriminating information here. but there is a little bit of a legal deficiency so we're declining to brick a charge. but the american people are not lawyers thank goodness. they are going to look at this skpa look at all of this

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sometimes i think president trump is a tragedy in two acts. this country can't afford more years of a president looking to settle personal scores. this country can't afford four more years of a president in the past. that is former vice president joe biden sounding more and more like he is running for president and he's offering a preview of how he would run against president trump in the general election. the president seems eager to engage, trolling joe biden's

response to women saying they felt uncomfortable with hugs by retreating this parody video on twitter. joe biden tweeted back saying i see you are on the job and presidential as always. on the white house south lawn, president trump was asked how he sizes up his potential challenger. >> mr. president, does that mean you see joe biden as a threat? do you see joe biden as a threat? is that why you're mocking him? >> no. i don't see him as a threat. i think he's only a threat to himself. >> the former vice president is the democrat likely to pose the biggest problem for president trump in a general election according to many. this poll shows democrats seem to agree. but first he would have to prove he can win the nomination.

mike, when you looked at the audience that biden was speaking to yesterday, how surprised were you as somebody who has covered joe biden for years now, the way that he addressed this issue as much as he did yesterday? >> yeah. that was a room full of this is "up." i'm david gura. obama/trump voters. that is who biden will be president trump traveled to targeting if and when he runs california friday to draw attention to what he calls "a for president here. what was interesting, though, new wall." david, is the last time you and i spoke, biden's not yet the small section of wall he stood in front of is not evidence of building the wall he campaign was very much in a crisis mode. we were dealing with allegations called for during his 2016 from lucy flores just as we campaign but merely an upgrade spoke last week. to an existing section of fencing. it was a real test for his capped a week of confusing campaign. at least a campaign in waiting. comments from the press and over but by the time we got to biden on stage, his team was feeling his border policy. take a listen. very good. >> if we don't stop'em we're they learned from the closing the border. we'll keep it closed for a long experience. but i also got a taste of what time. i'm not playing games. >> if we don't make a deal with the next 12 to 18 months of what

congress the border is going to be closed. 100%. >> the only thing frankly better but less drastic than closing the boor is to tear up the cars this might look like. coming in. and i will do it. i don't play games. >> we're going to give them a one year warning. [ inaudible question ] he then came out and addressed >> no i didn't say that. >> my colleague joins us. the reporter and then he had the in las vegas nevada. president trump scheduled to discuss the -- coalition a little later today. opportunity to address the party. first i said liberal i said no, sir, you said progressive. when he was in calexico but there was an interesting exchange about how he defines progressive versus how his party yesterday. what do you have to say about defines progressive which he said is socialist. this the occur of the week. >> if the president is saying he's going to go to a tougher i asked him, can you win in this direction with his head of ice. process? he said we'll see if i can win a and then in terms of closes the border. primary. >> was reading doyle

mcmannis's column. almost like dad driving the and he said biden needs to driver a speech along with the stati station wagon saying don't make me pull over. most recently he's blaming speech delivered on race. mexico saying if they don't he could talk about the anita improve they have to have a hill hearings, you could talk about all of these things in one border shut down. then he seems to be praising mexico onua they are actually and he took his lab top and shot doing there. what he doesn't want to see the this video that he put on is -- 400 miles he's gonna have twitter. your background is in dod do. and importantly. communications. what do i make from that approach from joe biden? the head of army corps of >> first of all, we're not even engineers down in in puerto rico sure he's going to run. he pledged by the president by i thought he handled that very the end of 20 to they are going well. if you go out and do some major to have 300 miles of border wall shutdown interview with a big bit with dod funding. reporter and then, you know, the simultaneous like this fight is news is driven the day before about what he's going to say in going courts. the interview and then the news is driven after the interview given what he said in the >> let's talk a bit about the rhetoric in more detail we interview. so i think he handled this very

played just a moment ago with the press and they are sitting at a table be his message to well. however, i don't tnkstage. migrates and i was thinking of that was probably not the best decision and it seems like that the new colossus what's imblazed was something his team does not on the statue of liberty. support. but look, here is what is happening here. the right and to an extent the the poor, the --. left of the party, his the area is full. opponents, are going at his sector is full. can't take you anymore. greatest strength which is his i'm sorry, so turn around that empathy, his ability to connect with people and they are is the way it is. attacking him on that. that is the president of the united states addressing those seeking a better future here in the united states. >> that is the voice of white we go after the most -- the best nativism. assets that somebody has. that is the voice of xenophobic that is what is happening here. hostility to an american creed, perhaps there were women who to this whole idea of the were well intentioned coming possibility of a community that forward and saying i did not feel comfortable. can be multi racial as a but one of the reasons why this is getting so much traction is democracy, right? and i think one part that is so because it's what joe biden has interesting is this idea that been known for. you can seal the border like a zip lock bag. his best asset was his best that you can seal it up. like it is a fantasy of strength. going forward, this is going to sovereignty. a particular fantasy of the keep happening. and he is the front-runner. sovereignty and i think one thing we have to think about is you have to look at it from this what is his -- what is the imaginary. the white nativist imaginary standpoint. everybody was focused on there. and i think it is a very meager e-mails, benghazi, everybody was

focused on the clinton conception of freedom. foundation and those factors it is interesting he's using that language of the sector. it is not even a language -- continue to be an issue we've there is no sifk language there. dealt with throughout the strict lay militarized hardened language but a meager conception campaign. this iso happen. of freedom that says i feel free should he get into the race, he because i can deny you will be the front-runner. something. i feel free because i can make this is something he will have you suffer. it is a politics of freedom that to keep grappling with. sees freedom in zero sum terms. the other thing important here is i think there is a language >> and the defense is this is here of political. the fact he doesn't want what he's been given his entire political asylum. career. he doesn't want judges. he says he will change. he says he's aware of all this. is that he wants the border to remain a space of impunity and how much is this who joe biden is? violence where you can do >> look, i worked with the vice whatever you want to these human president for four years in the beings. and that alone. white house. their suffering will make other virtually every single i time i saw him, he put his arm around people feel more sovereign, more free. because -- not because we're actually growing the world in a more just way but a because we're just causing -- because i me. retail politicking has to change, the getting in close to will speak a long of suffering in that space. people, touch them, hug them, that is really the space. maybe that is not appropriate >> i want your reaction to this for the "me too" era. as well. i think the challenge with him is how do you do that and the homeland security secretary maintain the basic authenticity,

was talking to chris cuomo on his empathy, his compassion and cnn and there was an honest what you saw yesterday is the two sides of joe biden. admission that this was about you'oing to optics for the president. he could stand what he said was a new wall. have the times where a couple of it was an upgrade to some months ago, he spoke about fencing on the border. standing up for democracy, stand understanding against dictators talk about the illusion where he gave the kind of surrounding all this? >> everything this administration does is from an presidential speech that you could have imagined a john optic standpoint. mccain and a ronald reagan i think they use the media very effectively in using them to giving, as well. help carry their message. >> how do you see all of this playing out and shaking out as and it is because he's such it continues to deather? again a hurricane, you know, that people will follow. they began with him come downing it's confounding to me that he the escalator and the rest of the campaign and media being hasn't yet made a decision. able to follow his every move. >> it really seems as though he has. and therefore complicit in all the signals are there. carrying the message he has and that is the reason why it i think the important thing spreads such as it does. and to add to your point in about this conversation that is terms of what his language happening publicly is getting lost in the politics. and so i absolutely agree that creates, you know, add on top of that what he then tells or what we don't know the motivations

those who believe the same thing around timing stickily for a tells the american people that lucy flores who is a bernie are here, adding that economicing economic sanders supporters. anxiety is because these people i also believe that she felt are coming over from the border, uncomfortable. not particularly in this country there's a huge difference obviously between former sexual has economic policy, tax policy misconduct and what the allegations are that arise from joe biden which are really about failing infrastructure and all how do we understand you of these other things that contribute to the economic anxiety that you are really boundaries in the united states feeling and that is really there. so that in combination, it puts today? but i think the part of the politics here that is getting the blame the strain that people lost is part of what joe biden are feeling on others rather than our own american government has to do is demonstrate that he can be a leader that recognizes and the people who are in charge. >> i want to ask about who's gen millennials and gen z. driving all this. you mentioned the president's personal pick to head ice was scuttled at the last minute. the way he's handled that is out he was going accompany the president on the trip to the of context. border. steven miller's doing. he has an ability to speak senior advisor to the president. across generation and across wanted to take control of this race and that is something joe whole process. biden has a problem with here. i noticed inned report about the that is part of what we're president's strtrip. seeing and that is why the joke

was off for some, not for you had the press secretary pushing back on what had been reported there. others, right? >> and it is unclear just why the president made this decision. it depends on who we're talking initially came across as a clerical error according to people on the hill. they were rnt certain. about, buts also the guy who has i think a lot of times when the anita hill on his record. president makes personnel the socialism language is also a problem. to take the run sound bite that decisio decisions no one knows what's going inside the black bok of the president's head. has been an attack on some of the most interesting and steven miller convinced the president of this, pull back. and the ice director, potential aggressive and innovative ideas about how we turn this around ice director wasn't strong enough and the president wants and also to the discussion we to go in a tougher direction. have to have as a nation around on so in decisions where a climate change, around health care and that is not something supreme court justice or minor we should get lost in partisan official it really comes down to politics around and around a the who the president feels comfortable with and lot of primary because it is a man for times we see him go back and forth, fall in and out of love with nominees in his the future. just ahead, mar-a-lago or administration. most recent person who's stock is up and kirsten nielson. mar-a-leako. she's in a video the put out more on this spy story that has more twists and turns than a tom

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harold today by a fellow of the heaver institution. he writes it's time to close the windows, lock new doors, and develop new protocols. any success at penetrating computer systems or the plantsing of mobile phones a listening devices would turn mar-a-lago into mar-a-leako. >> i'm not concerned at all. we have very good control. do you pose a grave national we have extremely good and it's getting better in cyber. frankly, what we're doing with concern to the country jarred cyber a story in itself. no, i think that was just a fluke situation. >> well, the secret service weighing in saying, quote, the secret service does not determine who is invited or welcome to mar-a-lago. this is the responsibility as the host entity. the mar-a-lago club management kushner? >> president trump overruled determines which members and their assessment. guests are granted cycle sess to trish anyway knew bold said there were connen send serns ant the kushner family business and the property. fizz foreign contacts.

told congress the son-in-law had but it's not the first time security concerns have been raised at the winter white house o too many significant as the president calls it. disqualifying factors to receive cindy yang, order of florida a clearance. also told the white house massage partners has perhaps the overruled a total of 25 demind security clearances. most glaring incident in terms of national security was back in >> why is this issue so the spring of 2017 when the important that you felt the need to speak out? >> the protection of national president ordered missile strikes while dining at the security is not a democratic crowded club with shinzo abe, issue on a republican issue. japanese prime minister. it is an american issue. mar-a-lago is a spy's dream come and we as security professionals through according to the owe it to make all our recommendations in the best interest of national security. "slate." >> it is america's national though the $200,000 fine is steep, intelligence services security at stake here, correct? might consider it a bargain. >> absolutely. >> america's national security help us understand the broader at stake. implications of this, if you how do you react to what we would. you heard the president say this is a rare kirns. learned about what she conveyed to congress this week, what that tells you about the integrity of dovetail it with what federal the national security right now? investigators are looking into >> as federal employees we don't in south florida. >> certainly it was a rare take a vow of silence to cover occurrence that someone who was up wrong doing, misconduct, arrested, who was carrying these kind of materials, we don't know a lot about the case yet. fraud, waste and abuse. but i think in a broader sense, there are times when we have to our eyes have been opened by speak out. cindy yang, as you mentioned, to

what ms. new bold did was speak a sort of trump tourism. that's what we've been calling out. it, where mar-a-lago in that makes her a patriot. she's exposing things that are particular is being targeted by individuals that want to get dangerous to our national close to the president. security. and now first we had the president as individual number one. jarred as senior white house official number one. so cindy yang opened a business i remember when we're number one in 2017 basically selling access e meant whole different thing. to in particular chinese people and now look at where we are. who are interested in that sort we're compromised. our national security is ess. compromised and god bless ms. it's not clear that she vetted the guest list for any sort of security concerns or anything like that. it was -- it appears to be newboth f anyone that saw this invite on newbolt for running the risk of the internet could call and losing her job and she's now being miss treated when she goes to work every day and we need presumably pay to enter mar-a-lago at any number of more ms. newbolt. charity events and either meet the president or the first lady >> do you anticipate that is the or other members of the trump family or high level aides in start of more to come? are we going to see more his administration. >> as i read your most recent whistles sh. >> yes and also she's ab 18 year piece on this, you had this veteran of the white house woman who was taken into custody serving under republican and asking that she have an

interpreter present. democratic administrations. but you point out this was an she's not partisan. she's not a flaming lefty. incredibly long hear that she she's someone who carries about had. she was particularly interested in the nuances of this process. the national security of this what do we know about her at country. and the mueller report. this point and what are we going to see happen here over the are why two individuals leaked to the "new york times" and the course of the next few days? washington post. >> right. so she asked for a court breaking that protocol. think about it. you have to be so disturbeding interpreter in her first with in this administration appearance on monday. right now. you know what, i'll put aside this loyalty to the president because i have a loyalty to my and that differs with what secret service noted at the gate country. i have a loyalty to my national security. and what other people had noted, and jarred kushner, i always which was she was able to read a want to remind american document in english and ask audiences. the crowned prince of saudi questions about what was in that arabia, has hopefully bragged document, sort of detailed that he has jarred kushner in his back pocket. questions which would imply that >> at least on whatsapp. she is a fairley sophisticated >> exactly. they have a special relationship on whatsapp. english reader and speaker and which has concerned security officials in the white house. jarred kushner was there in 2017 then he allegedly gave the wink we don't know much about this woman. she claimed in her initial wipg nod to nbs who then did the appearance to be an employee of purge of his administration. a private equity firm in i call it the saudi red wedding. shanghai. we haven't been able to find a

lot on that firm. it is registered, but other than the -- and to show you how that, does not appear to have a compromised jarred kushner and large online footprint. so we don't know much on that this administration could be potentially to do financial angle. but we know she's from shanghai, china, she came in, stayed at a entanglement and personal conflicts with the saudi arabia. hotel prior to the day she came to mar-a-lago, came to donald trump has taken mbs's mar-a-lago, presented an word other his own intelligence invitation to an event that communities. authorities say didn't exist, >> repeatedly. >> give us sunday civics on she verbally said she was going this. to a u.n. event, that closely this issue of whistle blowers mirrors the language that an and what allegiance should be. associate of cindy lang uses to >> it is important to know whistle is not just about this promote whatever event the particular administration. there were whistle blowers in president uses at mar-a-lago to the previous administration and in others. and to your point, and that people that have a particular appear. she has a second appearance commitment to the country and to scheduled and at that appearance process. and i think a along the lines they are going to determine whether or not she should be further detained. where you can string all of this >> you have lived within the bubble of a presidential together whether it is the candidate. you have lived within the bubble president's tax returns, whether of an administration, as well. it is the mueller investigation. i want to get your reaction to all of this is about the what you've heard there and what transparency and accountability you've read, that somebody carry

that is supposed to separate our country from dictatorships and ago thumb drive with -- i love from other forms of government across the world. is that supposedly we have these this description, malicious checks and balances and we have a process for transparency and malware. but it's startling that you can accountability that holds the get so close to the president. executive branch, that holds by virtue of him owning this administration accountable to the american people. club, he is welcoming that. the gate is open, in a sense. and what i want people to >> yeah. understand about this is that it there's difference levels of crazy here. the first part that i noticed, is not just about trump himself the secret service doesn't individually. usually comment on stuff. this is about the structure, the they told us we can't do fundamental structure, transparency and accountability anything. they're not using magnotometers. of our democracy. and so if you are willing to, you know, put rules aside this lady walked in, four because of someone's individual phones, a laptop, forget about personality, if you are willing malware. it's a real problem because you to do -- then what that is the know donald trump is upset about say about us as a country going this only because she got. forward? are you willing for the next administration to continue to >> in without paying the whittle that away and then we become a different form of $200,000. just listening to you and sara democracy or not a democracy at all. >> about freedom. it is really important just to lead in, the whole world knows remember that this is about that he's open for business in people enacting practices of

freedom in the public realm. terms of access and espionage. and we need to give credit to he's sitting there with his the press for make these spaces phone, not just at mar-a-lago, possible. >> when we come back the fight he's sitting in the white house over the president's tax with his unprotected phone. returns. there's something that concerns how a committee tried to tailor me, too, is that he's been his request for the documents running around, i'm exonerated, and what we're hearing from the president's personal attorneys. i'm exonerated and he's always in his delusional mind thought that. the people around him thought they were in personal legal jeopardy. they didn't know what they didn't know. but they are suddenly very emboldened. this is going to get far, far worse. they are not even remotely scared of anyone any more. cindy yang, it's pretty clear why she was there. her trade craft seems a little off. she forgot her bathing suit. but, you know, i mean, they're listening to his calls. they're -- i mean, just reading his tweets, you -- you can tell who this person is.

and, you know, mya touched on it gently, and i'll get back into the anger, but -- >> play that role. >> but this, we're not allowed to talk about his mental health or mental health professionals aren't allowed to talk about it, but since none of us are, we can talk about it. there's something not right with him. he's decompensating and this is a real problem because the decisions he was making, which are never good, are now going absolutely sideways. and whether we're seeing it manifest itself in his language, his motions, his speech, it's absolutely crazy. no pun intended. >> we'll come back and talk a bit more about that. i want to thank sara who joined us with that reporting at the top. about we come back, donald trump does a 180 from shutting down the border to something else entirely. here is seth meyers explaining what the president is planning to do now. >> president trump today threatened to place a tariff on cars being imported from mexico. no! cars is my favorite movie yelled eric. yelled eric biopharmaceutical researchers.

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i got elected. they elected me. now they keep going. i'm under audit. when you are understood audit you don't it.

other people are under audit and nobody would do it when you are going through audit. i always go through aulds. they audit me all the time. >> that is the president's trademark response to questions about why he's not released his tax returns. house democrats are turning up the heat demanding access to the last six years of the president's personal and business tax records. overnight the president's lawyers weighing in. "the requests for his private tax information are not consistent with governing low, do not advance any proper legislative purpose and are threaten to interfere with the ordinary conduct of audits." . departure from what the president said this week. >> . >> they will speak to my lawyers. they will speak to the attorney general. >> will you direct the irs to do that. >> they will speak to my lawyers and they will speak to the

attorney general. >> sent not to the attorney general but the department of the treasury. glen -- into tax law but help us understand what richard neil. the chairman oaf this committee is trying to do here. he's finally tailoring this. it is not often i get to bring up the teapot dome scandal but this is a vestige of this. >> i want to get the lawyers name right. william consavoy. welcome back. i apologize if i mispronounced after backing off his threat to it. by have to apologize for a few completely shut down the southern border with mexico, other things in this letter. president trump turned up the rhetoric on friday. at the border in el paso, texas, when you read it looks like it is straight out of onion, the customs and border protection agents are closing a key cargo satirical newspaper. because he says things in there. shutting down a key cargo lane. he cites the first amendment, freedom of speech. we find my colleague this freedom of political debate. he actually says something along

morning. marianna, help us understand the lines of "but her e-mails, what we are seeing there. because you didn't try do this we went down over the weekend and talked to a guest describing for any other presidential what is happening under that candidates. he also says, he references the that international bridge. there has been the high-level committees on american activity in the fifties. rhetoric about this being a i was wait rg where he would crisis. help us understand the conjure up martin luther king humanitarian crisis you are jr. it's comedic. seeing there on the border dune what it doesn't say in there. >> reporter: so david, that is the influx of migrants we are there? he's under audit. i find that interesting. more to come. seeing. a spike in numbers like when you read the law that says authorities have never seen if the chairman of the house before. the mayor of el paso tells me, ways and means committee makes a written request for this, he gets it. 32,000 migrants have made their that is what the law says. way north. and the lawyer dances all around that is more than double than will probably be s a very the whole of last year but there is another crisis as well. that is the crisis to local another court battle. it will be a frivolous court businesses because of what is happening on the bridges. battle on the part of the president and his lawyers but take a look on the scene behind here we go again. >> how does all this turn out? me. the bridge of the america's i spoke with some who were import lot is closed today. it will be closed on saturday

frustrated it took richard neil until further notice. so long to do this. we've been talking for many that means those 18 wheelers are years and here in april finally this request being tender diverted to other bridges where officially. what do you make of it? we are told the wait time for and how optimistic are you that? truckers is 14 to 16 hours. i just spoke to a business woman >> it is going to be an interesting fight because there who tells me she's taking food is no sense of history of civic obligation, the fact we've done to her truckers and having to this, you know, this has been law forever to actually -- switch them out. that is creating a bottleneck not -- the fact that it is not law but it is custom. here in el paso. you are supposed to reveal your tax returns. you have half a million and this sort of lack of any employees from mexico trying to kind of commitment to that. one thing that's going to be make it here for work. that is the crisis the president interesting. we've seen it already. they are going try to should be addressing. they say businesses shouldn't be personalize the tax returns and punished for his rhetoric or his we need to politicize. we need to find out what proper threats to shut down the border. connections he might have and what's in there. that's what they say should be the efforts are going to be key addressed is the immigration and it is going a battle as he crisis and not use the cbp tries to stop it. but i also think that we need to really think about talking about agents usually here to tax as the political and civic accelerate the legal traffic. implication of taxes. >> always good to talk to you. right? that it is about the common down in el paso, texas for you.

good. that when you do not pay your taxes, that is theft. in the sense that we have less mya, let me turn to you first money for roads, for schools. and help you. and i think democrats have often >> help me. bonn the wrong side of this >> help me help you, help me. question in the sense that we don't talk enough about the corruption of the very rich and how they cheat on their taxes. the lawsuit the president has so i think trump's taxes are filed that he wants to change. going to expose not only perhaps this is a broader story here. his own corruption but it is the president is trying do he also going to expense how the can to move the cups around. rich do taxes, and i think most americans don't know people of it is skasexacerbating the crisn this level of wealth. most when think think of many waits. cheating in government, most >> look. middle and lower income people think of their cousin who stayed i don't know where to begin. on disability for an extra month or something. i want to remind you we had a they don't really know what real wealth and corruption looks like. to handle taxation in a way that is deeply corrupt and often nine-year-old u.s. citizen crossing the border to go to legal. so think there is actually a school. conversation here about corrupt totally normal. she was requested over a day. taxation of the very rich and how they are able to maneuver >> over a day. >> over a day. taxes that could become a larger >> over a day. conversation about what taxes are, what they are supposed do go ahead. for the people and learn a larger meaning rather than just trump is a bad guy which we

already kind of know. >> this trump administration >> because she gave as a playbook that we're seeing and talking how bill barr written nine-year-old inconsistent this unsolicited memo, 19 pages answers and she's carrying a loi laying out husband belieis u.s. passport. that is the story of insanity. it comes to obstruction o and it is not about protecting the justice. border from anything that is a and -- now head of the irs before he got the job making the argument that the president should not have to release his legitimate border protection. tax returns. two things does not make a it is simply fear mongering in a trend. but you look at that and you way that is only harming us. think wow, you get a sense how the president is l top jobs. it is only harming the country. >> you also get a sense, and to you've got the fact that we are your point of about how people talking about -- terms like with immense power and immense invasion for people who are wealth can bend laws and bend walking 1,000 miles to present the will of even now an entire government to serve them. themselves to u.s. authorities. and the president picking people to serve in the administration that is not an invasion. to serve in the cabinet that are loyal to him rather than loyal that's not how it is done. to the american people and to we are not even talking about the fact that in 2000, we had our democracy overall. and it is indicative of that in terms of who he picks to be 1.6 million people coming into the country without there. and then also again, like i documentation. now we are down to 400,000.

the language we are using. said. everything that they do is about the policy discussion that is optics. in releasing this letter that there could be a law in the box, completely lacking about what to they don't care about that. do with real problems around they are trying to spin to the immigration, around how we fix base and to their people this is it, around what is happening in why you don't need that. and appeal to people, you do the northern triangle and how so need that. it is about transparency and many people are so afraid they accountability. would walk 1,000 miles. and back to civics lessons is >> they are props. >> i'm glad you bring us there. again, congress is doing their role to hold the branches what we've seen over the course accountable. and that is what they are doing. of the past couple of days. you have the president going they are requesting this information and it may not be before the wall. it's like an mgm musical. law but a we know the importance he used one of his favorite of these documents. lines to say, you guys look like same as people cheating to get you are out of central casting. their children into college. the same thing. >> they are all there in body people with wallet and power are able to bend things to their armor. although he's not in armor. will to serve them and not necessarily us overall. talk about drugs. >> i should say this. treasury secretary is going to >> i'm going to leave that be on capitol. there. >> they are props. the irs commissioner on tuesday. this is a drama. the bigger problem -- this isn't

they testify there then. up next the 2020 field gets even a deviation between two parties more crowded and the cash dash that believe there is a dividing the democrat's top tier different way to solve a very from the rest of the pack. difficult issue. we go to iowa with senator this is one party, upon president, one person who knows bernie sanders and beto o'rourke the people feed off the pain. are campaigning today. bernie sanders and beto o'rourke are campaigning today. yes. this is the roman colosseum. they don't want to solve this problem. one of the things i did not realize in 2016 that i do sort of since last year, is that people wanted trump to change things. they weren't rationalizing saying the ends justifies the means if he's got to get into a wrecking ball mode. the truth is, they want to blow the place up. they just enjoy watching had imdo im him do it. they love watching us go crazy and get triggered. code for being human beings and

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infestation. as a pest that you would want to right now. >> to do our job, we need the kill. >> jarrett haik joins us now. mueller report, not the attorney he had a breakfast taco last general's summary or week. i'm not going to ask you if you significantly redacted version have any on your person today, of the report that the attorney general has offered to give us. garrett, but walk us through what this looks like, what the candidates are saying about we have ample reason to sustain expect the administration's those results. we were talking among ourselves motives. we think we know the doj is about those numbers. on the trail, what do they say to voters as they see those simply wrong to withhold that numbers come in? information from all of us. >> good morning and welcome to >> voters aren't particularly "am joy." it has been 13 days since attorney general william barr keeping track of those numbers. most of the top tier candidates are going to have enough money to keep operating, regardless. they have money that they can transfer over. so it's not like any of these candidates are pleading poverty at this stage. but the ability to raids buckets of money, the o'rourke campaign likes to talk about more than

avenue of their donors thus far are not folks who voted for him in texas. these candidates buttigiet candidate, he hasn't formally announced, but he was largely unknown. they can use these fund-raising totals to show grassroots strength. bernie sanders, $18 million is extraordinary. sanders is on the ground here in iowa today, as well. he held a big rally last night, expecting other big crowds from him. he is, as i talked to strategists and folks involved in these other campaigns, it is hard to argue that he's not the favorite here in iowa. for the other candidates, it's a question on of how do you break through. how do you see raid spaurz. o'rourke is doing six house parties in suburban des moines

where they hope of the 60 or 70 people and they're trying to get him intimate interactions with people. >> you will see garrett haik in front of many such houses throughout the day. la money and then to iowa city, as well. thank you so much for joining us on this saturday. chris teern n christina, $7 million is nothing to sneeze at here, is it? >> no. i think it's pretty amazing. and i think it speaks to -- you know, i think he has been able to combine something that's very compelling for a lot of people, which is that he's able to combine progressive politics with a very kind of calm and moderate affect. and i think that's a really interesting combination politically. i think people want to hear somebody thoughtful who is talking about some of the larger political issues of what it

means to -- rather than relitigating the 90s with to talk about why we're going fauf and to have somebody thoughtful moving in that direction. so i think a lot of people are beginning to say, oh, who is that guy? >> joe biden hasn't declared yesterday. i know you've been watching him over the course of the week. >> we all have been. he was in front of scranton to film something in front of his childhood home. >> i know. it's so annoying. i don't know if any of you have ever played double dutch. but for those who have, you're playing double dutch and people jump in and continue, he's that person that you come around to and he keeps threatening to jump in and then eventually they're like, if you're fought going to play, just get off the playground at this point. >> but he holds up the line. >> right. it's like just get off the

playground at this point. but to bring it back to the fund-raising numbers, i want to say for the prime minister that we're in right now is about media attention and money. who can command the most media attention, being the media darling, not necessarily those who have the best ideas and the most money. all that is happening now is -- and i hate that conversation about who can raise the money. the conversation is not about ideas, policy or the hole that you may play in congress or in your state legislature. it's can you raise the money. the money is making sure you can run, but that's not to say you have the best ideas or the

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this is "up." we start with a week of presidential pivots and walkbacks that left washington reeling as members of president trump's own party trying to pin him down on his own policies. president trump waffled on four policy decisions, most notably on his decision to shut down the u.s.-mexico border. >> i'm telling you right now, we will close the damn border. >> i am ready to close it, if i have to close it.

>> we're closing the border. we will keep it closed for a long time. i'm not playing games. mexico has to stop it. >> the president says he's not playing games, but is he being serious? his allies thought so. top republicans in congress and the administration are urging president donald trump to drop his threat to shut off the southern border warning of dire trade and economic consequences. but the president said his border security agenda is more important president and on thursday, president trump retreated. >> we're going to give them a one-year warning and if the drugs don't stop, or largely stop, we're going to put tariffs on mexico and products, in particular cars. the whole ball game is cars. it's the big ball game. >> sort lfrhortly after the jus department asked to validate the affordable care act, president trump made this promise. >> i understand health care now,

especially, very well. i think we're going to have a great health care package. i think the republican party will become the party of health care. >> republicans should not run away from health care. you can't do it. >> that seemed to sprooid surprise a lot of lawmakers including senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who claimed he had no interest in overhauling the health care system in this country. >> i made it clear to them we were not going to be doing that in the senate. he did say, as he later tweeted, he accepted that. and that he would be developing a plan that he would take to the american people during the 2020 campaign. >> and then in a series of tweets, the president capitulated and punted, tweeting, quote, a vote on health care will be taken right n modus operan did i seedi see be, just wait.

>> that will be totally up to the new attorney general. he's a tremendous man, a tremendous person who really respects this country and respects the justice department. so that will be totally up to him. >> we could give them 800 pages and it wouldn't be enough. >> yet, trump unexpectedly withdrew the nomination for ron viello, someone who was expected to accompany the president on his ongoing trip to the border. "the washington post" says this is policy whiplash. the post highlighting trump's struggle for a agenda in a divided washington. allow me to read from the president's playbook, chapter and verse. that's, of course, the art of the deal. i never get too attached to one deal or approach. for starters, i keep a lot of

balls in the air, because most deals fall out no matter how promising they seem at first. joining me this hour, mya wiley, phillipe ryanist, adrian elrod, and chris lou. adrian, let me start with you. get your perspective on the waffling, on the back and forth. the about faces that we saw here over the course of the last week, one has to have some sympathy for members of the caucus trying to find their footing this week. >> i have very little sympathy for anyone on capitol hill. but here is the situation, david. this is a clown show, right? nothing is getting done. instead of legislating, republicans are scrambling to mitigate whatever trump is going to pontificate on or decide that

day. ultimately what this means for 2020 is how does this impact trump's re-election chances? traditionally, we would say that if you don't have policies to deliver to your base, then you would lose. but we're dealing with a very unconventional situation in the sense that trump's space is anywhere from 30% to 35% of the american electorate and they're not going to leave him no matter what happens. so the real question is, if he doesn't have any deliverables to give to his base, to give to republicans going into the 2020 election as a result of this chaos and mess in congress, what does that actually mean? >> if there's no sympathy for republican members of congress, let's go into the cabinet room. we have seen this scene play over time and i'm again, members of the cabinets, they sit around and table and president trump catches them off guard.

>> we've completely turned the policy process not only on its head, we've eliminated them all. his allies on capitol hill have to backtrack. so what would you have seen over the last week is a president who not only doesn't care about policy, but doesn't have much of a political antenna. the two battles he has waded into are not only terrible policy, the politics of this are horrible. whether it's the 20 million people who would lose health insurance or it's the harm that would happen to red border states if you actually close the border. so this is shown, i think, in one weaken cans lated many of the problems over the last two years. >> mya, as i continue to play devil's advocate here, maybe you could say the president says something and reckons what has to be done there. when you talk about the border, these are issues that have

stymies supporters for generations in this country. there is nothing simple about that. >> i do think part of what we've seen this week, one, we've seen a president in search of success. because he hasn't had that much. and i think there's been a little bit of leading by lip. which is if i say it and i can create the let's remember that's how he got elected, right? he didn't really have a set of very deeply thought through policy proposals like a wall, but he had the ability to communicate emotionally to a base that responded to that. and what i saw was a lot of stress. he had that moment t he was mak that did not make a lot of sense. he was saying -- he was having trouble finding -- >> the origins of the statements unknown, yes. >> he was having trouble finding the word origin, it appeared, like a deeply stressed president

and i read that in that context. but i think the other part of this, as we should all remember as we look back to 2020, is we cannot take for granted that leadership experience in public service matters. because i think to chris's point, adrian's point, this is about whether you understand how you build policy because it isn't easy, how you search for solutions and consensus. you have to build a coalition of support and it should be around what works. and that's not what he was talking about this week. >> let's fast forward to the end of the week. it goes down to the border. i'm going to read one more passage from the art of the deal which is a font of great quotations. you can't con people, the president wrote, at least not for long. you can create promotion and throw in hyperbole, but if you don't deliver the goods, people will eventually catch on. pick up on what mya was saying there. the president making another

pilgrimage that was funded when president obama was in office. >> i'll teserve as mya's anger translator. >> please. >> do it with swag. >> what you just mentioned is a particular problem. you have the 30%, 35%, you could deport them and they would be happy. they would do anything he says. there is a group of people who didn't vote for hillary or did vote for trump and they seem to be in place in the midwest in places like ohio and pennsylvania. are they going to be open to reality to a fact check? so we're all going to vote november 2020. are they going to say i stood here four years ago and voted for donald trump.

i took a risk. i know he's unorthodox, but he said he was going to get immigration under control, he was going replace health care. i was going to take care of trade. none of those things have happened and now i'm going to turn to someone else. although, he says, oh, i did build a wall. the wall is beautiful. it's so beautiful. it has slats, wall within whatever. this is a real problem and that's why everyone is struggling, including the media, to call out a lie for what it is. you showed 30 seconds, 45 seconds of clip. it's lie after lie after lie. the word "lie" gets lost in it. going to be 15,000 lies, 22 a day, but people are falling for

them. you can kuhn people forever. >> stick around because the latest security breach at mar-a-lago and how it goes back to a sex scandal. t mar-a-lago and how it goes back to a sex scandal