ng "vote for world of dance" into your xfinity x1 voice remote. or as j-lo likes to call it, your v-mo. >> that does it for me today. thank you for watching. "am joy" with joy reid starts right now. >> to do our job, we need the mueller report, not the attorney general's summary or significantly redacted version of the report that the attorney general has offered to give us. we have ample reason to sustain expect the administration's motives. we think we know the doj is simply wrong to withhold that information from all of us. >> good morning and welcome to "am joy." it has been 13 days since attorney general william barr

released his four-page summary interpreting the nearly 400-page report on their investigation of donald trump. the american public has still not seen the mueller report. after two years of almost total silence, some members of the team are pushing back on the summary saying the actual mueller report was far more damaging than they have led on. and some have wrote multiple summaries that barr could have released instead of his own. barr said he will release a redacted version of the full report in the coming days but that is not good enough for democrats and congress. the house judiciary committee issued a subpoena for the full report, all 400 pages. they have said they'll use that subpoena if barr does not hand over the full mueller report. >> we are going to work with the attorney general and for a short period of time in the hope that

he will reveal to us the entire mueller report. if that doesn't work out in a very short order, we will issue the subpoenas. >> joining me now, defense attorney and betsy from the "daily beast." i want to start with you, ellie. this was a table that were sort of already skeptical of what was going to happen of william barr who auditions for this job by saying that mueller's investigation was illegitimate from the beginning. it wasn't that surprising of what he came out with. what do you make of this backtracking now that barr has done saying my summary wasn't a summary and the fact that he

won't even release the summaries. >> yes, this is my shocked face. william barr is who we thought he was which is an individual hand picked for this job specifically so he could suppress the mueller report and do everything in his job to protect trump. my question is, what do we win? it has been proven these people will not play ball fairly. the next time, when are people going to realize what we are up against. everybody who works for these institutions and there are decent people that work for these places. they think the next guy is also motivated by decency. they are not and they have to start knowing these people for who they are. >> this was an a team, the mueller team was an a team.

other than the people at this table, right? i'm serious. they were really good at what they did. they put a lot of work in. they produced 400 pages not including the exhibits. they did a lot of work. for them to be leaking saying, no, no. that summary is wrong. how unusual would it be for this caliber to start talking? >> it would go against everything they do. the fact that they are beginning to crack and it is getting out there is a deep frustration here. we need to sit up and pay deep attention to that. just what ellie has said. i want to talk about my own personal experience. i was wanting to be a believer in that system and institution. i thought barr would do the right thing. we have to stop thinking people

will do right things. mueller is a chess player up against a street fighter. >> we know robert mueller worked under william barr when he was attorney general previously. do you think maybe mueller got lulled into a false sense of security thinking the barr he knew was going to do the right thing? because barr in the past has been accused of using his power to aid presidents and suppress investigations. think iraq and contra. why wouldn't mueller just assume he would protect like before? >> because of the association ya with barr was going to say he's going to do the right thing. the other thing is about mueller. mueller is this by the book guy. we see it in his decision not to

seek a grand jury, not to demand and in person interview with the president. he was going by the rules. he was saying i'm never going to end up with criminal charges of the president. why bother? not realizing he should have done it because he should have anticipated this kind of work. >> i want to play what nadler had to say about william barr and the way donald trump viewed him. he is nothing but transparent. he said what he wanted was an attorney general that would be his roy cohn. here is jerry nadler talking about that. >> i said barr is an agent to the president. he was put there on purpose. sessions was fired because he wouldn't protect the president personally. comey was fired.

the president said who will be my roy cohn, the person who will look out for me personally and not the country. they found barr. >> this sort of collapse of faith, right? people all assume the next guy is going to do the right thing. you now have the former federal prosecutor who wanted to believe this william barr guy, now she's waiting saying, wait a minute. she writes, coming from the man who had written the 19-page memo saying trump couldn't commit obstruction, this looked pre-determined. >> when you started out, you talked about how myself and ellie were on the show and quite pessimistic. >> right. i was too. >> we had reason. the reason was that memo.

it was unsolicited. why would anybody talk about why he didn't think the president should be charged or that the mueller investigation was enough in and of itself. that was a reasonable basis as to why he didn't think barr would be operating in good faith. donald trump has said he believes the attorney general should be his personal attorney. we've seen that. we have seen from the very beginning that he operates in a way that he thinks people who work in these positions work solely for him, not for the american public. >> let me get you in here. ad a adam schiff has made some comments. this is from march 29. take a listen.

>> this report is all going to come out and reflect more poorly on the attorney general if when it does come out and we look at the difference between what he redacted and if under those it shows an effort to cover up and conceal either evidence of impropriety or evidence of a lack of morals or ethics or judgement and that is shy of criminality or in the case of obstruction of justice is criminality. >> help us understand just from your reporting. schiff has made it clear. they are going to subpoena this report and robert mueller and make him testify. why do the people around donald trump do this? what do they feel they are getting out of it? >> there is always a sense that he doesn't respect the work they do. this is what i've heard from multiple people that work in the trump administration on legal

matters. they have to operate in the assumption that trump has a fairly low view of them and that he views them not as counselors or advisors but as blunt objects. >> if they understand he has a low opinion of them and their work, why do they do it and put their reputations on the line? why do they do that? >> in some cases because they have other policy goals that they are interested in helping advance. in some cases, they want to be in positions of extraordinary power. they have as much power as the attorney general has. that would go straight to your head for about anyone. over the course of american politics. people have jet sonned their politics. there will be one easy acid test

as to whether bill barr is acting in good faith in an effort to get as much of the report possible to the american people. that is whether he joins chairman nadler to go to the federal judge to ask for authorization to legally release the grand jury material. chairman nadler asked barr in a phone call, the democratic staff briefed reporters on, whether or not barr would be up for doing that. that would be a simple good faith step. according to staff, the answer was, i'll think about it. so far, he seems to be in a thinking mode. >> every page of the confidential report was marked may could be contain material of the federal code and could not be subject for release. he's already saying he ain't releasing this. >> their already putting the things in place to keep as much

of the report secret. what i need democrats to do from nadler up to the people running in 2020. i need them to start taking these people seriously and start going after them. i want democrats to use ever method fair and unfair to get these people. if they don't get them while he's in office and if not, i need me they will after they get i burn the book. it is time to take it to the st. >> or couldn't the investigators just leak the report? we are not accustomed to the people in the fbi to do things like that. if there is national security here. remember, the president of the united states was investigated for being an agent of a foreign power. that is a big deal.

can you for see them saying we need to get this out anyway we can? >> we do need, in a time like this where we are more polarized than ever. we need to do what scientists do. stick to sound scientific principals. there is a way to do this other than having fbi agents leak their work. the hill needs to testify -- needs to have mueller testify, senior agents testify, senior prosecutors fd 302 notes. when we hear this thing is 400 pages, you can triple that with the interview reports and write-ups. get all of that on the hil feede fuel of pole arization and deep state. let's get it out but the right

way. >> i agree with you but why haven't democrats done that? is it forget subpoenaing barr. get mueller in. cliff note barr is not going to do it. we need the actual report. when you look at the ken starr report, that was made public in days. what was that about? not about a foreign entity who is our enemy who was trying to attack us. >> it was about a bunch of stuff about the president's sex life. >> when you look at which is more serious and damaging to the country. clearly the issues in the mueller report are more damaging for the long haul of the country. >> we have a senior leddader of here.

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the law is very clear. the law says that upon written request of the chairman of the committee of ways and means,

chairman of finance, or chairman of joint committee of taxation, the secretary shall furnish. shall. not may, should, could. shall furnish such committee with any return or return information specified in such request. >> house speaker nancy pelosi once again explaining the law to donald trump as he fights to keep his tax returns out of the hands of the public. trump's team told them he insists he's under audit. >> i'm under audit but that's up to whoever it is. from what i understand, the law is 100% on my side. >> as you heard, the law is not on donald trump's side.

the audit does not prevent him from releasing tax returns in any event. joining me congressman jim clyburn. i want to return to the conversation i was having with the previous panel. what a lot of americans don't understand, congress has a lot of power. cannot congress subpoena that report, take that report and release it. >> it seems to me they can. not just mueller but there are other people who are involved in this two-year long investigation who ought to be subpoenaed. i think at that point, we could change the entire structure of this process going forward. i would hope that they would. >> what i think people are afraid of is that the constitution did not anticipate someone like donald trump who did not respect it and doesn't respect the laws. they've allowed the united

states to have a king. if he cannot be prosecuted or r. if he cannot be stopped, do we not have a king? >> i think you are right about the constitution but i think the founding fathers did anticipate we could have somebody like this. this is why they lay it out why we ought to consider impeachment when it needs to be considered. i have been a big supporter of our decision that impeachment should be something in the background not to be dealt with at this particular juncture. all of a sudden, we got an attorney general who forecast what he was going to do. he's now doing exactly what he said he was going to do. he's undermining the process of what we all thought would be fair and impart al and we thought the person people would

share in the results. it is now clear that his summary, his four-page summary of two years of work, 200 to 300-page document. that we need to see the whole document or subpoena the people to speak to it. and then, if the document is made the way it is because of the justice department's procedure of policy on not indicting a sitting president, then the only thing left is for congress to get the documents and see whether or not he's deserving of impeachment. >> do you think william barr is undermining his office? >> no question about that. that is what is feared by the people who are now starting to speak out in some form or other. they may be leaking or

whispering to people. >> do you suspect he's withholding damaging information from the american people that would damage trump? >> that's my suspicion. >> there is a clear law that says clearly, the speaker quoted it, that allows the chairman of the house ways and means committee to receive his tax returns. >> i think that is what we'll have to do. we'll have to go to courts. >> do you trust the courts? >> that is true. it seems to me, we may be able to get in the direction of preserving the integrity of this great country of ours. i believe there may be one or

two people sitting there he is counting on who he may not be able to count on if the country is in threat. >> for a lot of people, it is here. you've had a republican party that said donald trump can do anything he wants. there is nothing they can do to stop him. your counterparts will do nothing to stop him. what dot american people take from that if partisanship scoop seeds the constitution? is. >> i think that is where we are. when congressman noonan did what he did. i felt like we are approaching a constitutional crisis. >> you talk with your colleagues on the other side of the aisle. why is it they are not able to

restrain the president in any way? >> all because of preserving the party's position in the senate. i think the people i talk to and what i read, it seems to me nothing else matters except getting a judicial system that favors the minority that which is approaching the minority. they are casting everything on the federal judiciary in order to preserve a position of privilege in our economic and political process. that's what this is all about, in my opinion. >> you think this is demographic minority rule? >> absolutely. why else would we all of a sudden see the nuclear option being used for the judiciary? it is not being used for

anything else. that may come later. but that's what it is being used for. i think you'll find it all the way up the supreme court soon. >> do democrats recognition that. in your view, if republicans would do anything to seize the courts and hold them. do democrats recognition that as a challenge to the ability of people in the current minor to live in this country freely and equally. >> democrats up in washington do recognize that. i'm not too sure that has gotten all the way through to democratic voters because i don't see the kind of enthusiasm we need to see about doing what is necessary to preserve the legislative bodies that will make those decisions. we ought not be wondering whether we can get 50% or 60% of

people who will vote. they ought to be 95%. i'm giving that 5% who may be infirmed in some way. we have got to get engaged in a way that has never been engaged before. i have got to do my job as congressman. voters have to do their jobs to help preserve the democracy. >> you are coming from a state that is mostly democratic but unable to elect a democrat state wide. how do you turn that around? >> we have elected a republican state wide in south carolina to the united states senate. what we have to do is look to our state leadership, legislatures determine what

redistricting will look like. we have to get people energized down the line. we have to understand when we don't have the president on the ballot, we do have state legislatures that are very important. >> i normally don't read donald trump's tweets on the show but ever so often we will. this morning, he's tweeted this, i have not read the mueller report yet, even though i have every right to do so. only know the conclusions and on the big one, no collusion, and on. he believes he has the right to read it before you do? >> before we do? he may. but at the same time, i think that report should be made public. everybody should weigh in and we will let the public make its

decision about the results. >> we are out of time. are you seeing any excitement on the ground in south carolina about any of these democratic candidates. is anybody breaking through? >> i'm not sure if any have broken through yet. i have two daughters that are very active in this. i get tweets from them. they've been hanging out with all of them. a lot of excitement. >> thank you leader clyburn. coming up, one of american's biggest security threats is a golf resort in florida. that's next. guys do whatever it takes to deal with shave irritation.

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there is late word the secret service has charged a chinese woman following an alarming security incident at president trump's mar-a-lago resort over the weekend. authorities say the woman apparently talked her way into restricted areas carrying a thumb drive containing malicious software as the president was golfing nearby. >> that is how lax things apparently are at mar-a-lago which is why the fbi is involved. the woman was also found carrying four cell phones, a laptop and hard drive. could the way president trump operates his golf resort possess a threat to how national

security is run. we'll go to our guests. the nbc news reports that this woman that entered mar-a-lago with malware, she was allowed to enter because part of her name matched that as a member of the club. ms. zhang gave a nondefinitive answer when asked if that member was her father. they blamed this on a language barrier issue. she said she was at mar-a-lago for a chinese event, a nonexistent event. how can that be happening at a place the president of the united states goes almost every weekend? >> when you have administration that takes a dim view towards its own security, this is what

it is. they could just decide they are going to feel ou the per am meters around the security. she was stretching her elbows by using social engineering, which is coming in using this mistake over languages. see how far you get through. lie about what you are there for. bring in sensitive systems perhaps just to see whether trai could get much closer than she could. >> it is amazing, acc since tru became president, longtime mar-a-lago members have noticed an increased presence of foreigners at charity events and galas. it is a circus one longtime employee told. saying the chinese guests bring

gifts of cheap electronics and constantly ask staff to get them face time. that could be some helafi helafied zenaphobia. >> the president is a target of foreign intelligence services. they are going to exploit the softest part of that target. i think that is indeed mar-a-lago. who p is in charge? >> the weekend manage is the thin line. the president wants to build a wall on the southern border but at his weekend residence, he insists on a security process that defaults to whoever can book a room at mar-a-lago for saturday and sunday because it

is about his self interest and profit over national security. >> to that point, you pay to get in. at the beach retreat, hundreds of customers and a concern the president has no idea who most of the people around him at the club are. you pay and you get in. donald trump is so fix ated on making money, he doubled the fee to be a member. he's just making money and not concerned about the nation's security apparently. >> the kind of thing government watchdogs say is a classic conflict of interest where your interest in protecting the security in the interest of the country bumps up in your interest of maximizing your resort in florida. managing both of those at the same time is not going to work. generally, politicians make sacrifices. they step back from business

interests and do what is necessary to protect the image and the truth of that. trump has refused and what we have is entirely predictable. security experts pointed to mar-a-lago as ground zero for foreign intelligence because it is easy whyto get in because tr and his friends spend time hanging out and chatting and being social. you can buy access not just to the president but to advisors and friends and people who have access to him. why wouldn't any intelligence service worth its salt try to get in there. >> he wasn't allowed to keep his cell phone. wanted to, didn't because of national security. now we have a president -- this is my favorite line from the

october 2018 story. officials concerned about trump discussing sensitive information on an unsecure cell phone he tweeted from a cell phone, i rarely use a cell phone. >> you know, frank put it perfectly when he said flooding the zone. foreign intelligence agencies, not just the chinese, everybody. they could use other subcontractors. they could go out and try to get assets as close to the president as possible. one of the places i'm certain since donald trump loves to use this unsecured telephone is that in mar-a-lago, any of those rooms or in a hotel nearby, you can establish a collection post in which to get the sensitive signal from the president from his own hotel.

believe me, it has been done. people do these sort of things. it will be successful because the president does not exercise proper opsec. it will give whoever does it sensitive, advanced intelligence on the decisions he's making. >> earlier, we had leader clyburn on. let's play that really quickly. do you suspect he's withholding damaging information from the mueller report to protect donald trump? >> that's my suspicion. >> the obstruction is enough. the thing that always disturbed me most is this counter intelligence investigation. whether or not the president was an agent willing or unwilling of a foreign power. the kind of things like this is what frightened me that this man doesn't care about national

security, pay attention to it or something worse. is that the kind of thing you would be worried about that is in the text of the mueller report that is being withheld from us. trump wants us to in this issue of collusion and conspiracy. here is the deal. i think the criminal metric and standard was applied by the mueller team and by barr in this issue. that's not what country intelligence is about. you rather determine how they are vulnerable, whether they've been recruited or compromised. the entire posture and mar-a-lago is a symptom of the larger issue. not using a sek secure phone and not checking security briefings.

that's why we need to see it. >> thank you, frank. i think malcolm is giving you an amen. it is spy hunting. that's not going to come out in a report you get from the a.g. coming up, we'll follow the money. that's next. ext. billions of mouths. billions of problems. sore gums? bleeding gums? painful flossing? there's a therabreath for you. therabreath healthy gums oral rinse fights gingivitis and plaque and prevents gum disease for 24 hours. so you can...

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>> can you give us any insight into reason is that the president has refused to release his tax returns? >> the statements that he said to me that was he didn't want is to have an entire group of think tanks that are tax experts run through his tax return and start ripping it to pieces, and then he'll end up in an audit and he'll ultimately have taxable consequences, penalties, and so on. >> that's an interesting point that he basically said he didn't want to release his tax returns because he might end up in an audit. could you presume from that statement that he wasn't under audit. >> i presume that he is not under audit.

why won't be just release his tax returns? michael cohen gave us some insight into why back in february. could it be as craig unger wrote that they are full of dirty russian money? it is an excellent book that my guest wrote. it is so insightful. democrats are asking what's in your wallet? they want documents related to his business empire, he needs a friendly subpoena to reply. what could be in those business records? >> i would like to know all about his relationship with the russians.

let's go -- when did that begin? and in 1984 trump tower just opened, a man tied to the russian maf ia meets with donal trump. he saysly take six condos, and that was the beginning of laund o erring money by the russian m mafia through real estate. there was 13 trump condos sold through suspicious context. all cash purchases there anonymous shell companies. it is very possible, they are reported to the kgb.

he said that was a branch of the kgb. unlike the italian maf ya, you can say that is part of the russian government. >> why trump? >> why would they focus on him? >> well, one is he wasn't asking questions. he loves to do business with gangsters. they pay top dollar. >> he is not a great negotiator. and that is probably handy, and they they shared that with the kr kremlin, and they met with trump

and this was in the cold war. they say they want a trump tower moscow. they told me that he believed there was essentially a compromise in that visit. >> in the visit? >> in 1987, and trump comes back to the united states, he ran for president briefly in 1988 and he took out a full page ad in the "new york times" and it put forth a foreign policy as if it was written by the soviet union. it attacked nato and the western allian alliance. it was crazy now and crazier in the cold war. >> and there was an instance where a russian oligarch

overpaid for, and then paid even more, were >> i think it happened in two fazes, trump made perhaps hundreds of millions, perhaps even billions of dollars through the money laundering and then he overexpanded atlantic city and he lost $4 billion in debt. and the russians came back to his rescue again and pailed him out again when a real estate development company moved into, and they started -- they came to him with an offer and they said you don't have to put up anything. he don't get a loan from western banks in those days, we'll put up all of the money and we'll pay you 18% to 25% of the profits just to use your name. >> it is incredible and probably

the reason he doesn't want his tax returns and the mueller report out. everybody should check this book out, more after the break. ould k out, more after the break. who's idea was this?

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is the president really serious about closing the border this week? with all of the disruption to our economy? or is this just a bluff? >> it certainly isn't a bluff. you can take the president seriously. >> if we don't make a deal with congress, the boarder will be

closed. 100%. >> welcome back to "a.m. joy." if you're paying attention to what trurp said about border security in the last few days you're probably feeling a little dizzy, first he threatened to shut down the entire 2,000 mile boarder this week. >> there is a good likelihoodly close the boarder this week. he said it would be great for the economy. with a deficit like we have with mexico, closing the boarder will be a profit making operation. >> tuesday, anyone who knows anything about economics said a on the economy. >> are you worried about the u.s. economy. >> it is one of the biggest trade deals in the world that we have just done with the usmca. they're a very big trading

partner, but to me it is important, the borders are important, but security is most important. >> by thursday trump was backing off of his supposed one week deadline. >> we're going to give them a one year warning and if the drugs don't stop or largely stop, we're going to put tariffs on mexico. >> okay, are we done yet? no? not quite, by friday morning it seemed like maybe this chaos was all for not anyway. >> mexico has been very good in the last four days. if they continue that, everything will be fine. >> and finally at a friday afternoon round table, he shared a reason we had not heard before about why he is so passionate about border security.

the system is full, asylum, anything you want, it is full. >> no room at the inn excuse. joining me live from the border is mariana, mal com nance. mariana, i'm going to you first, before we get to the fact that america is apparently full, let's talk about the economic impact. was here serious about closing the border? >> joy, good morning to you. i have been here all week talking to folks in automotive and medical equipment. they were so preoccupied since he tweeted that, they spent the

week calling suppliers saying their product may not arrive on time. and then the president flip-flopping and it was an incredible waste of time. even those who voted for the president said that would have kriped their businesses and hurt the american consumer, but there is also something brewing here on the bridges and that's why i'm standing on this bridge for you today. if you see here behind me, it's a huge entry way of commerce and trade. there is a bottleneck of car that's is hours long. they even closed the cargo lane of drugs cotrucks coming in fro. they have been vie verted them to other bridges where they say it is a 14 and 16 hour long wait. they're diverting the agents that should be here on these

bridgets accelerating this forecast to the president's so called migration crisis. i just spoke to a business owner who who has trucks here and what it is doing to her business? >> i'm just a little piece of the supply chain of the manufacturing. these are american companies that are expecting their product on time. one little piece that doesn't come in to their plant and it shuts down the plant. so who -- everybody is hurting. this is not a good business for anybody, but education specially us. the american people who are the taxpayers, we are going to be hurt the most. >> many business owners here at the border pleading with the president, joy, to stop the flip-flopping and the rhetoric and just let them go about their business. >> and you did an interview that

was played earlier this week, i want to play a little bit of it again, americans i don't think have a full appreciation of just how robust the commerce is between the u.s. and mexico. this is a multi-trillion dollar relationship. you spoke with a guy who is a manufacturer down there. i'm going to play a little of what he had to say, it talks about the economic connection. >> the part that's need to go out to mexico, it could go be a major hit. if we gaent get that material in, the parts across to mexico, we're going to shut down their lines and ours as well. >> brian went on to say that he is still undecided supporter of the president. >> he said to he, joy, you know

the economy is doing well, the stock market is doing well, but this bashing of the border is hurting business, and it is 1.7 million in trade with mexico every day if is ultimately a consume near will get hurt and the manufacturing and the american competitiveness is at play here if is the relationship with mexico that gives them a competitive edge. >> absolutely and the thing is that you know the success so -- i think americans are so trained to think of our own interests and ourselves, it is a foreign country, what does it have to do with us. this would tank the u.s. economy if the border was closed. >> i would love to know who took president donald trump and sat him down and said you cannot do

this. because somebody had to have said you will create a lasting economic impact that will come back to haunt you. but you know, part of the reality, and i'm so glad that mariana is down there giving a reality. we were just down there, i want to tell you what we saw. we were covering protestors in drag at the border doing a protest at a place they say is a nation naa naal emergency. we're not in an emergency situation, right? so the narrative that has been created and the last point, we are full, i'm going to say something joy that will probably be a little shocking so i'm letting you guys know, but as i was processing this i was like how can we humanize this, right? people see the children at the

chain link waiting to be let in, the women letting to be let in, the way it will be covered is as if we were turning away the jewish refugees, imagine all of those people there are trying to escape and we're saying no. that's the way it will be written about in the history books, how did we turn these people away and the president is saying we're full. there was just people here from nebraska. nebraska is not full, they would love people. >> first i want to play -- you made a really good point. the analogies being made, i want to play a soundbite that i think has really come back to haunt him from 2018, first can i show a map, we'll do a full screen of it, we're full, i grew up in colorado, colorado is right there in that empty bit. there are spots of colorado that are full, but the whole middle of the country if you drive coast to coast, we drove cross

country from colorado to rhode island, vast amounts of empty space, cornfields, cows, we're not full, the united states, i think one of myying if every co equally as concentrated as brooklyn you could fit everyone, donald trump, the way he speaks about people from central america, this is how he spoke in 20 2018. >> these are people, they're animals, and we're taking them out of the country at a level and rate that has never been done before. >> maria, when you hear that kind of rhetoric, what does that say to you. >> the moment you dehumanize someone it allows for the american people not to be

outraged and we need to be outraged. he is talking about mass migration of people, how can we fix the root causes, how can we provide shelter for individuals. this is not an exaggeration. these have tracked individuals that went back to their death. we have to be human and smart, but it can't just be about economics. the moment that we start to destabilize industry, corporations are not dumb, they're border less and they will choose to go wrels to make sure their plants are moving the way they need to and their manufacturing the products they need to, so we're talking about how we're dingerring on inrin r

tinkering on a down fall. >> and you had some reporters down there. if you have ever been to el paso, little kids are crossing back and forth to go to school, but the portrayal of it as a war zone, i'm not sure how they can even portray that if they have cameras that are turned on. you have at this point donald trump saying get rid of the visa lottery, get rid of the immigration judge all together, here he is saying that. >> congress has to act. they have to get rid of catch and release, chain migration, visa lottery. the whole asylum system because it doesn't work and we should get rid of judges, you can't have a course case every time

someone steps foot on our ground. >> would that increase our national security? >> no, and this mill titarizati of the border does not work. it is trying to carry out cancellations, and there are no terrorists coming across the border. they don't want to hear that. someone smells an enormous quantity of money on the u.s. southern border. in firms of the supply, providing services to the border patr patrol. the crazy militias down there, gun sales, and all of these things, and it doesn't provide any benefit to the united states. we know weapons and drugs and illegal trade is coming through the major seaports which they don't want to talk about, but

one other little thing, i lived in san diego for six years, and the most you need to go down to that border, you would need bib for all of the taco sauce you're going to have because that's all americans were doing. i just came from berlin and it really has a flavor of donald trump speaking like the original source on this talking about we don't have space any more, right? this is ludicrous. everyone that came here since the time took it from the indians is an immigrant including his mother. we have the statute of liberty, give us your poor, tired, cold huddled masses. he is playing to a racist base and they're listening to him. >> and this is the one year

anniversary of jeff sessions announcing the policy. it is split up over 2800 families, there is still 65 kids still not given back to their parents. >> and we're finding they continued the policy long after they promised. they transferred children, you did a special on the border, and they have now transferred many of them to homestead florida. some are minors, others they don't know if they were separated, once the children move on from the department of homeland security, health and human services, they get lost in the system, and this is still an issue. you have to make sure that not only do we pair our outrage with our vote, we need to hold them

accountable. we can't say that what we were doing is okay. >> coming up, donald trump's nominee, what are people saying down there? are people concerned about the state of i.c.e. at this point? >> people are concerned because they're seeing the influence of mie grants here. the main shelter effort, he is at the front lines, but he said to me, it is usually 1,000 imfronts, but he said we won't have to say there is no room, we have to make room, that is the american tradition. i need help to get them the basic necessaitie necessities t. then they can go process their asylum. it is the american tradition and the christian tradition, to make room. >> i will give you the last word

here, you aeroings that are stunning. they're frida, he is is like the original, original border crosser. he is is mexican, an icon, he is was a socialist, lesbian, biactuallb bisexual, there is nothing to be afraid of, if question switch the conversation to what happens when you have positive border crossers, and the fox news correspondent, libertarian to be wearing a flak jacket is unacceptable, but who were the first to start that border wall, bill clinton. >> i have to say, little kids cross the border every day to go

to school, it's not that unsafe. thank you all, great panel. coming up, we're going to get some feelings about mitch mcconnell and his slow crawl toward the destruction of the norms of the united states senate. e norms of the united states senate this time, it's his turn. you have 4.3 minutes to yourself. this calls for a taste of cheesecake. philadelphia cheesecake cups. rich, creamy cheesecake with real strawberries. find them with the refrigerated desserts.

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so far my republican colleagues have gone along with senator mcconnell's debasement of the senate. to do this, for such blah -- there is nothing radical about this, a senate day for the senate, go back to 2003 when we started to phfilibuster. that was a sad day. this is a glad day. >> mitch welcome connell eliminated the filibuster for cabinet nominees and reducing the debate from 30 hours to two. it is not the first time he pulled a nuclear option, he already did it for supreme court nominees. and, our friend, ellie mistall

has thoughts and feelings about it, earlier in the show, he said look the reason that republicans are breaking every norm and they don't care what trump does is they only care about seizing the courts and holding them for the next three years. >> it has been a 30 year long plan for republicans. they have done this ever since they lost the segregation battle, a and now it is coming and they all more come police sit. trump is the darkness under which they operate.

he flipped the third circuit, the kinds of people that he is appointed have been blindingly white and overwhelmingly male. if a democrat ever nominated a white male it will be a travesty. these are arch conservatives that have been bred since law school to be hostile to progress. they are antiblack, antibrown, antiwoman, antig-gay, and progu and pro bank. that is what we're up against with trump and mcconnell's changing of the courts. >> peek look at him as the locust of what people consider

the darkness, right? mitch mcconnell said his legacy that he wants is to shape the courts for a generation. he stopped merit garland a hearing because he would not allow the president of the united states to appoint any more justices, only a republican could be allowed to do it, these are not donald trump's judges, they are mitch mcconnell's. >> yeah, they have outsourced picking judges to a guy who is hostile to all of these -- >> and the federal society -- >> they basically control, conservative legal thought. they have a very aggressive way of interpreting the constitution that drags us back to the dark ages. one of the ways that i put it is the federal society does not view it as a floor, they view it as a ceiling, that includes you,

black people, that is bader. mcconnell is the emperor who has been orchestrating this for a long time and he started to orchestrate it before trump was even there. there was so many judicial openings because they refused to have hearing after hearing on a host of judges nominated by obama. >> let's talk about neil gorsuch, he authors a death row opinion that was so horrifying to read it was kind of scary. >> it is one of the worst decisions i have ever ahead about the supreme course. but it was a classic kind of conservative thought process where they looked at the death penalty and the eighth amendment in the context of a 1776

vermont. >> like aeath is okay. >> drawing and quartering which we're clearly not allowed by the eighth amendment, but drawing and quartering were totally allows allowsed the eighth amendment. that is one of the problems with the thinking. they look at how the constitution treated white people and forget how it created nonwhite people, the issue, at some point, they should take is seriously. as my wife likes to point out, y'all stink too, right? when democrats had the authority to do something about this, they weren't in the game. but democrats have come ut with much stronger and more craradic

solutions to this problem. right now they have all been open to support, and they have really put forward adding more justices, right? at some point all of the democratic candidates, i don't care, pick an issue, say you care about me too, right? that's a thing right now. don't need biden to give me another hallow apolapology. i need him to impeach clarence thomas. that's the kind of radical solution we need to push back. if you they is going too far, i point to you to mitch mcconnell which nothing is too far to get what he wants. >> thank you very much, we love to have you on because you really make it plain. coming up, you're so shy in retirement, we're going to get you out of your shell. a get out of jail free card, next. a get out of jail free card, next but only 11% of its executives are women, and the quit rate is twice as high for them. here's a hack:

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. mr. cohen is fully cooperating with the southern district of new york, and he is offering more information now that he discovered when he retrieved back his cell phones and other documents. >> are you suggesting there is additional evidence beyond what he laid out in his congressional testimony? >> that is correct and he has

additional information regarding criminal behavior -- >> to delay his clients incarceration, lanny davis says cohen regained access to $ -- 14 million files. >> he lied numerous times in his last testimony. they had that for many months. >> joining me now is timothy o brian, author of "trump nation." david corn, washington bureau chief and coauthor of "russian roulette." >> you have seen his tax returns, right? what might michael cohen have? >> i doubt that it is very little in terms of anything that

would make democrats in congress try to intervene in everything going on around this. presumably their referring to the hard drive, they already combed through it. i don't know what they decided to do with information on there that was not relative to their very narrow investigation. there is obviously other information on there that could be on interest to other investigators, this whole thing to me feels like a hail mary pass by a desperate person about to go to jail. >> the reality is that people that turn evidence, it is a mob guy that turns evidence, but people have gotten pretty darn light sentences here relative to mr. cohen. people involved in the russian conspiracy got ten days and 12

days, paul manafort got a sweet deal relative to what he was facing, why shouldn't the democrats say give him a break if he has something publicly unlike the mueller reports. >> it's highly unlikely he didn't know about this investigation beforehand. surprise, suddenly you just found additional information? that is highly unlikely. it is indicative of the kind of man he surrounded himself with, right? these are men that have clearly flaunted and disrespected the rule of law. that is the common and and current theme. remember michael cohen got a deal from the frafl government. usually what you do is say i have provided all of the information i know, this is the whoeng thin, and here he is coming after the fact, later on within saying wait don't put me in jail i have more information.

but we know where to find you if you're in jail, we can identify you in that orange jump suit. we know that zip code. i understand you have to be willing to look ridiculous for your client sometimes, good try but it's not going to work. >> david corn, in that good try, the memo that lanny davis sent he has additional information on kpeers to collude with russia, obstruction of justice, and subornation of perjury, of his own, we may never see what is in the mueller report, right? we never be able to see it. in theory, the democratic committees that are relevant could just use in information to allow the american people to have the fruits of a full

investigation, why wouldn't they want to do that? >> let me see if i can bring everyone together on this panel. >> bring us together, david. >> so this is the question that i have, we have been talking about this in terms of the mueller investigation. not everything that is wrong or misconduct is a crime. that is very important that we keep bringing up. if i was a member of congress, i would put this directly to lanny davis and hope for a direct answer, what is it that he has that maybe mueller or the southern district of new york is not interested in because they don't think it could lead to a criminal case but it could eliminate trump wrong doing that he should know about. please be specific. and really push on what possibly

is there. now of course te is correct that he can still be found where ever he is going next, it's not an undisclosed location. he can still cooperate with congress or prosecutors, and then he can go back to the court and petition to cut back some of his sentence. that is what i'm interested in. i assume the mueller people, the southern district of new york folks were pretty thorough. what else might we need to know. >> the question i have then of all of the people that we seen involved in some way, would cohen know the most? >> no, i think it is allen weiselberg. it extends beyond these narrow

swim lanes and it gets into the history of how the trump organization financed itself. it gets into everyone in that company that knew how trump was financing his business. where does the southern district investigation go, and does bill barr assert himself in that investigation as well? >> and try to stop it? >> i don't think he will try to stop it, but the report is in to the attorney general and trump thinks that bill barr is someone that will be his hat chet man. he is trying to involve him, even though the justice department, this is not their particular issue. he certainly allowed to look into any of the u.s. attorney'ses that he wants and question the investigation. i think it will be interesting looking forward to see how barr

positions anyplace that investigation. >> that is not comforting. >> no, it's not comforting at all, but this is a litmus test, if you will, if barr does that we can have with certainty, but don't know why people need to know certainly where barr stans, but we will know where he stands with respect to his allegiance and his rule of law if he starts to poke around with what he is doing -- >> and david corn, from a reporting standpoint, then what would he do if william barr was to interfere beyond the mueller report. we had in the past a big u.s. attorney scandal. he just outright fired a lot of u.s. attorney that's were not doing his bidding. we know there is a precedent. >> yes, we do know that, and as tim and others know, the southern district of new york

does pride itself more so than another u.s. attorney's office from being in-depth from ya washington, sometimes too independent. i think barr would have a hard time suppressing some of that. he can try and that would lead to new stories and clashes, and i think by the end of the first term of trump and maybe the only term of trump, we will have a tremendous clash at some point. maybe over taxes, maybe over killing an investigation, and if he tries not to relate the mueller report, one of these things will get into the court system and it will lase to a situation where the people around him are order today do something like handover theo sa no and then what happens. >> that is the question, right? they will turn over some information, what if donald

trump just orders him not to or says no when he is ordered to turn over his taxes ahead. you will have to move into this hours. >> that is what is scary. david conor, thank you very much. coming up a 2020 democratic candidate attracting a very interesting following. that is next. ting a very interesting following. that is next 't worry. voya helps them to and through retirement... dealing with today's expenses ...while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay? i think they'll be fine. voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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>> if you manage a scenario where an asian man that wants to give every $1000 a month, and then democrats will be like yeah, i like money for families, that's great, and here is the great thing, joe, then republicans will say wait a minute, this is a net transfer for rural areas, red states on the interior, am i going to stand in the way of my constituents. >> andrew wang got a huge boost after appearing on joe roggen's

pod cast. his five million youtube subscribers must have liked what they heard. now he has boasts a fan base who have stuffed his coiffers with $1.7 million in the first quarter. he qualify es for the first democratic primary debate by raising money for more than 65,000 unique donors. joining me now andrew yang. you have an interesting following, the joe rogan following, i didn't think of it as more right leaning. you have this strange boonelet of people. what we see as the fever swamps of the far right following your campaign. but you're running as a democrat. what is that about? >> we're trying to solve the problems that helped get donald trump elected in the first place. which included the automation of michigan, ohio, wisconsin,

pennsylvania. all the swing states he needed to win. my friends in silicon valley know we're about to do the same thing to millions of retail workers, truck drivers. fast food workers. we need to conform to our next phase as quickly as possible. >> it's the high of -- we need to wake america up to the fact that it is not immigrants that we should be concerned about, it's the fact that our economy is evolving with advanced technology to the point where more and more americans are going to struggle from meaningful opportunities. >> you come from the business world? that's where you got this concern about aichlt a.? >> i spent the last several years creating big jobs in the west and the south. knowing the decimation of manufacturing is going to happen -- 30% of malls are going to close in the next four years

are going to close because of amazon. we have to think bigger about how we're going to build an economy that works for people about. >> the top three planks in your program that you would like to run on. a universal basic income. medicare for all, and human centered capitalism approach to the economy. what is that? >> gdp is at a record high even as americans lives are falling apart. we need to move our economic measurements to things that would be meaningful to us in our communities. my wife is at home with our two boys. her work counts as zero in gdp. in stead of gdp we should be using childhood health rates, how clean our air and water. i could go to the bureau of labor and statistics and say gdp is over 100 years old and we need to evolve. >> let's talk about the freedom

dividend. $1,000 a month for every citizen over 18 years old. why would the country want to do that? >> why won the the country want to do that. >> people love to get money. you have an anti-welfare feeling among people on the right. people on the far right like you, how would that work? first of all, how much would it cost? >> the headline cost is something around $1.8 trillion a year. for context, our economy is up 5 trillion. the money would come from google, facebook, amazon, the big winners with a.i. are going to be the tech companies. we all know amazon paid 0 in federal taxes last year, and that needs to change. >> one of our twitter users asked, would you -- universal basic income take the place of robust social services or would

be in addition? because you're also for medicare for all, how could we afford both and would one cancel out the other? >> and this is one of the biggest misconceptions, joy, is that we can 100% pay for all of this, because of the inefficiencies in our systems, if i put money into american's hands, it's going tstronger, he to create over 2 millionin our economy. the money doesn't disappear. we're already spending 18% of gdp. if we take the existing resources, we can get the prices down and save a lot of money. >> you're popular on line, how are you going to win a primary? >> if you look at it, i'm polling at 1 to 3% depending on which poll. most people never heard of me, as most people find out about andrew yang, and we need to build a trickle up economy. you're going to see my poll numbers rise and rise. i'll be on the debate stage in june and july. and america's going to wake up

to the fact that we're going through this giant economic and technological transformation. >> you're against circumcision? >> i'm against routine infant circumcision that is suggested as a medical necessity or boone. the medical case for it is somewhat fuzzy, it should be up to parents. >> people on the alt right are taking it as a signal that you're talking to them. >> i've been to my friends bris. >> we have a few americans die in a car accident because of the switchover. why in a field of highly qualified women candidates should you run? that's what kathy's asking. >> one thing i would love, if i become the nominee, i would love to have a female running mate, i think organizations and societies work better with strong male and female

leadership working together. >> we have one more question about fitness for the job. why after the debacle with trump we should ever consider someone who hasn't run for lower political office, for governor or senator? >> well, the tough truth is that donald trump would not be our president today if our government had been functioning at the highest possible levels for the years prior to his victory. and donald trump is a terrible president because he's a terrible president. he does not speak for all entrepreneurs, i'll tell you that. most entrepreneurs regard him as a marketing charlotten. gwen more on the battle to get trump's tax returns.

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