judiciary committee. she may be serving you some left? absolutely. it's extremely rigid on the subpoenas. that does it for me. right. you have people on the right not thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next being able to talk about being anything but pro-nuclear weapons saturday and sunday at 5:00 p.m. in the streets. eastern. up next "meet the press" with the second amendment fundment lichl on the right wing is very chuck todd. strong. i think these are important debates and people want to know what they're going to do for the country. >> thank you. when we come back, republican >> this sunday, the democrats presidential nominee, former debate, joe biden responds to massachusetts governor, and criticism he touched women in ways that though not sexual made senator from utah, mitt romney is next. some not comfortable. >> i get it. day's goals... i hear what they're saying. i understand. ...all while helping you to and through retirement. >> but declines to apologize. um, you guys are just going for a week, right? >> i'm not sorry for any of my yeah! that's right. can you help with these? intentions. oh... um, we're more of the plan, i'm not sorry for anything i've invest and protect kind of help... ever done. >> and jokes about it in a sorry, little paws, so. but have fun! public appearance. as the list of candidates grows, send a postcard! voya. helping you to democrats debate whether biden and through retirement. is the right choice or whether it's time for a new generation of leaders.

>> you could argue that it doesn't get more different from this president than a laid back intellectual young guy mayor from the midwest. >> i'll talk to pete bud dej. >> we're full. our country's full. can't come in. our country is full. >> and democrats demand to see his taxes. i'll talk to mitt romney in his first appearance as a u.s. senator. also unfriending social media. why americans are fed up with twitter and facebook but can't stay away. joining me are hue hewitt, heather mcgee, and the authors of politico's daily washington newsletter, jake sherman, and anna palmer. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington,

the longest running television show in history, this is "meet the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning. there is a truism in american politicings. when we elect new presidents they are in many ways the polar opposites of the outgoing president. we followed richard nixon with the i'll never lie to you jimmy carter. when the job seemed too big for carter, rereplaced him with ronald reagan. george h. w. bush was beaten by bill clinton. he led to george w bush. then barack obama. then succeeded by the blow the place up, donald trump. given this history, which democrat if any seems best positioned to be that polar opposite of president trump. there are 14 major candidates

announced for the paperwork. all vying to be that antitrump. >> >> most republican office holders have been reluctant to among them pete bud dej who is criticize president trump. having the kind of moment that may not have been seen since a not mitt romney. peanut farmer came from georgia presidential leadership and in 1976. this week the democrat's center qualities of character is of gravity was joe biden, the indispensable. issue not so much if he's going like president trump, mitt to run, but whether he should. romney has been sharply critical >> i just want you to know i had of obamacare and says he's permission to hug lanny. tougher on illegal immigration >> former vice president joe than president trump. biden appearing before a we were just debating do you friendly union audience on prefer governor or senator friday. joked twice about accusations by still? >> the term governor is always women who say he has made them better, but i guess i've got to uncomfortable with unwelcome go by my current title which is though not sexual physical senator. but mitt is just fine, chuck. contact. >> by the way, he gave me mitt is just fine. permission to touch him. >> for some of his accusers, it >> it's what we predicted. we've never met a senator who was prove that despite his video didn't miss being governor. let me start with what the earlier this week -- >> i get it. president said friday and i get it. >> -- that biden doesn't get it. saturday about immigration and

>> it was a slap in the face. asylum seekers. >> this is our new statement. i say i get it. i believe in women. the system is full, can't take you anymore. whether it's asylum, whether i abdicate for women. it's anything you want. that's not what i saw. it's illegal immigration, can't >> biden did some damage control take you anymore. but did not apologize. our country is full. >> i'm sorry i didn't understand >> it's a little jarring to hear more. i'm not sorry for my intentions. an american president say our >> the controversy is giving country is full given the history of the united states of america. how did you take that comment? questions about whether biden who came of age during 20th >> well, we've seen a dramatic century can lead a diverse democratic party in the 21st. shift in the nature of illegal >> do you believe that the vice immigration just over the last president should enter this few weeks. race? a number of years ago and up >> he's going to have to make until a few weeks ago, the great this decision for himself. >> on friday, biden took a shot majority of people coming into our country were coming looking at the new left. >> the definition of progressive seems to be changing. for work, single men. that is are a socialist. in the last few weeks there's that's a real progressive. do you believe in whatever? been a dramatic change. we're seeing unaccompanied young >> biden like bernie sanders people as well as families with would enter the white house as the oldest president in american lots of kids pouring into the border and they say the magic history. heout polls trump among word, "i'm seeking asylum." self-described moderates and by virtue of our laws, we bring

independents and is competitive them into the country. we don't have enough space in among rust belt. the facilities to maintain the care they deserve, so they're >> i said general come give me a being turned out into our kiss. i felt like joe biden. country, 125,000 of them so far >> for democrats eegager for a this year. it's overwhelming our system. we've got to deal with this. nominee opposite of trump, biden it's going to take legislation is the latest candidate forced to get it fixed. >> how would you be handling to explain and apologize. this? sanders is facing allegations the president threatened to that staffers on his last impose tariffs on cars, campaign engaged in sexual harassment and assault. >> to be clear, you indicate you threatened to pull all foreign did not know at the time about aide to the central american the allegations. is that correct? countries where many of these >> yes, i was a little bit busy people are fleaing. running around the country trying to make the case. you know, it's called a carrot >> beto o'rourke is apologizing and stick approach for a reason. he's only providing sticks. for comments about his wife and he doesn't seem to have a carrot sometimes helping to raise his here anywhere. >> well, i think what has to own kids. happen is an effort for republicans and democrats to come together generally with pete buddej. presidential leadership. that's what's going to be >> it's unusual for it to be plausible that a 37-year-old

midwestern mayor is giving essential. >> i heard your hesitation national interviews about a there. does he have the capability? possible candidacy for president. but there'sing sm happening >> he does. he can bring together and say right now that calls for something different. >> joining me now is the mayor what can we do legislative to make sure we're not creating of south bend, indiana. this asylum magnet bringing welcome to meet the press. people into the country. >> thanks for having me on. democrats are making a huge we say exploring. error by making border security i know you have an announcement an issue and saying ielts a prepared i think a week from today. >> that's right. partisan issue. it's an american issue. in south bend. looking forward to it. we can't have millions upon >> is there any reason to millions of people flooding into our country without a border believe it will be i'm not that's secure, without having running for president. >> the kind of thing is the kind i.c.e. to make sure people that of thing you only get to announce once. are illegal are sent back. i hope a lot of friends and it's a winning issue for supporters will be there a week republicans but a winning issue from today in south bend. for americans to say we have to >> what does something completely different mean? have a sovereignty in our i say this in this respect. nation. >> one of the things that you donald trump came in as the most had said is you would be tougher on illegal immigration than inexperienced president in president trump. your positions, give men history when it came to public service and things like that. aexample where you feel as if while you have more executive you're tougher on this? >> i was referring to a time experience, you would also be a fairly inexperienced president. some years ago when i was

running for president and noted why should something completely that i was not in favor of the different be another inexperienced politician? dream act. and the president supported >> i would stack up my experience against anybody. earlier in 2017 giving the daca i know it's not as traditional. i haven't been marinading in individuals legal resident si. washington here for a long time, i was referring to that point. and i'm not part of that >> are you still against the dream act? establishment. but i would argue being a mayor >> well, it's been put in place of a city of any size means you have to deal with the issues by president obama and i believe that hit americans, from we have a responsibility to infrastructure to economic fulfill what is a presidential development to racial pledge and commitment. sensitivities and policing, not so, that's in the past. to mention the fact i would add i would provide legal status for those dreamers in the country. more military experience under that's something the president's my belt than anybody to walk put on the table. into that office since george i think we should get that job done and hopefully -- we will h.w. bush. i think it's about quality as get that job done. well as quantity and experience. but overall we need to complete i think you can also see pretty the border fence. clearly that i'm about as we need to have a system that different from this president as keeps people from getting jobs it gets. >> had you been successful in here if they're here illegally. your last campaign, you would be chair of the democratic right that's an everify system. now. i assume you wouldn't be running and deal with asylum that's for president. what was your motivation for overwhelming our system. >> let me move to health care. being dnc chair and you didn't you won election in utah on the get it and say you should run for president. same ballot that a majority of

>> i think any time you're your constituents wanted to see running for office, the medicaid expanded. discernment looks like this. you look at what the office so, what would you do now with calls for in that moment, look health care? at yourself and what you bring would you scrap the system we have and build from scratch? to the table. i've used that process to decide or do you take the obamacare to run for office and not to run infrastructure which many will for office. note was modelled in some ways what i see now is a country off of what you did in going through tectonic profound massachusetts, and try to reform from there? change in an office that has >> well, let's begin by putting loss of vision and loss of it if had context which is decency. i'm as surprised as anybody. obamacare applies to about 20, if you had asked me two years ago what i would be doing in maybe 25% of the population. 2019 i don't think i would have said this. because for 75 to 80% of the here you have this moment, probably the only moment in american history where it just population, we get our insurance might make sense for somebody my through our employer or through medicare or traditional age coming from experience in medicaid. so, obamacare is just 20-25% of the population. the industrial midwest, and right now with obamacare nonfederal, different background, bringing something that will actually help that's a federal program. americans envision the world as i think what you're going to see from republicans is a it will be in 5054, the year i federal-state partnership where the federal government sets the will year the current age of the parameters and the states are current president, and just given more flexibility to create ways to care for their own low change the channel from this mesmerizing horror show going on income individuals. in washington right now. and so i think federal-state

>> i want to delve into indiana partnership is a much wiser way to go. a little bit. a number of senators are working on those kind of ideas. you ran statewide in indiana i know the white house is as against richard murdock. well. i think you're going to see people in washington may proposals coming from our side that say look we can make the remember that name. current system of private insurance which 75, 80% of he upset dick luger. americans have. we can keep that in place, get you lost to murdock. costs down, more flexibility. >> it was 2010. it's hard for a democrat to win and obamacare needs to be statewide in the best of years. repealed. and the democrats agree with us i was running in the worst of on getting rid of obamacare. years. but i'm still proud of our they're calling for medicare for campaign. i was largely doing it to stand all. that wipes out obamacare. up for auto workers. >> the irony is not lost. richard murdock intervened to i'm waiting for republicans to prevent the auto rescue. start defending obamacare as he took a case to the supreme things move on. i want to ask you about the court using his standing as medicaid decision by your state treasurer. i thought somebody needed to constituents. the legislature wants to tighten stand up to him. what your constituents wanted. i did. >> what did you learn from that? is that the right call? >> well, the legislature in utah you had a bunch of voters that weren't ready to support you. said look we want to make sure what do you think your issue that if we're going to expand our medicaid population, we're was? >> i actually can say i led the going to only do so as long as ticket although just about all the federal government is picking up 90% of the bill. of us were somewhere in the 40%

but if the federal government range that year because it was a horrible year to be a democrat decides to back off the 90% in indiana or most places. number, then we the state what i learned was campaigning. it was my first time on the legislature don't want to pick up the bill. ballot. it was uphill to say the least. i think it's a reasonable not a lot of people the treasur. position. >> you are very getting candidate donald trump it's hard when people have heard to try to release his tax neither of you or the office returns. he now wants to fight this you're running for. effort by congress all the way i learned retail and how to put to the supreme court. a message together. and while i could maybe understand he wants to do it on that wound up serving me well privacy grounds, he still when in south bend the seat doesn't want to show the country opened up in 24 years at exactly his tax returns. the moment when our city was how problematic is that? looking for something different >> well, i would like the and needed a fresh start. president to follow through and >> i'm going to put up a couple show his tax returns. he said he would i think on the of numbers here having to deal with south bend. the poverty rate is still over "today" show. he said he would be happy to release his returns. 25%. the eviction rate, 6.7% which is i think the democrats are just fairly high, not the highest in playing along the his hand book indiana but on the high end. which is going after his tax you've been reelected. returns through a legislative so, voters believe you have put the city in the right direction action is moronic. that's not going to happen. in that sense. the courts are not going to say these are still tough numbers. what haven't you been able to you can compel a person running accomplish that you wish you for office to release tax would. returns.

>> there's so much work to do in a community like ours. he's going to win this victory. the green new deal, all these people know it's the hometown of candidates out there talking about getting rid of obamacare notre dame and might assume it's a wealthy town. and traditional health care and we were devastated by the putting in place medicare, these things are nonstarters and i industry when the auto factories think the democratic party is finding itself in a real left. our poverty rate is too high but difficult position with those kind of positions. >> it is coming up to an it's down. we cut unemployment by more than election year. half. and we've been able to change jeb bush who ran for president the trajectory of the city to in 2016, he thinks it would be healthy for the republican party where we're growing in population and in investment in if somebody challenged donald a pace we haven't seen in a trump to have a real debate generation. it's not like all of our about what is conservative anymore. problems are solved but one of he's for higher deficits. the reason is wound up getting you're for lower deficits. reelected with 80% of the vote you are not a tariff guy. is the sense we had changed the one could argue trump and romney story for the city. i think that's something the present the contrast of the two country needs to hear because different views of conservative. you've got a president who's telling anybody from a community >> well, there are differences. like mine, be it industrial i have places where i disagree community or rural community, with the president. i was in his office just a any community where people grow up getting the message that couple weeks ago and said i success means you have to get out. disagreed with the steel and he's telling us that greatness is in the past. aluminum tariffs. we've got to stop the clock and on the other hand i said i'm turn it back. overwhelmingly in favor with i'm there making the case that what you're doing in china.

you can get as hard as you want south bend is based on the word to get pushing back on china. again. >> the issue on income the president has followed the republican play book when it inequality, particularly on comes to the economy, lowering racial inequality, are huge in south bend. taxes, lowering inflation. you face this firsthand. the economy is doing well. how much -- you haven't had much that's a pretty strong record. as to whether or not there's a luck closing that gap. what have you tried that has primary, time will tell. but parties typically do just worked and what do you think you fine when there's a primary. tried that didn't work? >> fair enough. >> we've got it moving in the right direction. mitt romney now senator from we're talking about generational utah. poverty, generational when we see you in the halls of disposition that's a result of a congress, we'll call you governor. good to see you. combination of racist policies >> thanks chuck, as you. over the years and the effect >> as we go to break i want to that poverty and mass note the passing of former incarceration have. we're a community about 25% senator. he served all but seven men in the united states senate. african-american, about 45% nonwhite. and a lot of 350e78 in their for 36 of his 38 years in the lives, in their neighborhoods senate, he was the state's it's almost as if the recovery junior senator to strom thurman. he began his political career as we experienced never happened. a segregationist but eventually we're investing in neighborhoods that have been disinvested in in everything from parks and public endorsed jessie jackson in 1988. spaces to supporting he was known for his quick wit

entrepreneurship. we opened a small business in an and sharp tongue. area not getting attention it >> we've been playing games saying read our lips. the country is doing el with. we don't have any problems. need td. we're taking steps to deal with just we politicians have a the eviction rate as you showed. a lot of times simply having problem, reelecting. access to legal representation makes all the difference for somebody facing eviction. >> holings was 97. when you rent from national... and we made sure that our neighborhoods were improved because the issue of blight and vacant properties was harming families in especially minority neighborhoods. we're working to fix the problem. >> i want to ask you about something more thematic. in 2015 in the rise of the black lives matter movement you said there needs to be racial reck sil yags. >> yes. >> where does that responsibility lie and what have you done to lead a conversation? >> it lies with all of us. it's kind of like playing your own version of best ball. if you're a mayor of a diverse city, a flash point is between because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, communities of color and the even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. police department. we worked on civil rights training, on implicit bias so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive.

training, but also on getting our police officers to have the [laughter] mentality of counsel members to do foot patrol, walk the neighborhoods, show up when there's not just an emergency but when there's a block party (vo) go national. go like a pro. or church fair trying to thicken the relationships. a lot of it is quantity time. see what i did there? whenever we've had a moment or incident that threatened to divide us racially in the city, we made sure that we invest in the face time that it takes to re-establish trust. at the end of the day, people need to see results. that's how trust is built. it's one of the things i worry about now nationally is that you have folks in charge of the government who believe in a matter of principle of destroying it. when you don't see results and see peoples' lives getting better, it further motivates people to burn the house down. >> last month ice agents what do all these people have in common, limu?oug arrested two of your agents in south bend. what do you make of the i.c.e. [ paper rustling ] exactly, nothing. movement? you know it's illegal to be a they're completely different people,

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just a fantastic book by our nationally anymore. >> right. >> how do you square that and friends here jack and anna. you got a lot of those fun what is your definition? when does life begin and is there any role for government in anecdotes and i have to do an abortion? >> as someone who is pro choice expletive deleted on the first but has friends and supporters one, by the way. shows you this is rated r at that view the issue different, i think it begins by having some times. >> pg-13. measure of good faith and >> covering president trump you understanding that people arrive have to have the rating. the president engaged in all out at their convictions on this arguments with republican from a deeply felt and sincerely lawmakers leaving them bitter held place. and perturbed. in my view, this is a question in one meeting, rep bill posey that is almost unknow able. this is a moral question not going to be settled by science. told the president to quit the tweets and when i knowing about the best way for it to be settled in practice is for the crowd size. person who faces the choice. who the f are you he posited when a woman is facing this decision in her life, i think back, he didn't say that. the -- in terms of somebody besides her who can most be when i was talking to senator useful in that, the answer to romney about how does he have that would be a doctor, not a credibility to convene on the hill, what is the president's male government official. credibility on capitol hill? >> the final question i want to >> i think it's mixed. ask you about, second amendment. we decided to turn the camera you come from a second amendment around. state, some might argue, whatever that means to folks. we thought there was enough do you think the second coverage as trump as a person we

amendment as it's written wanted to see how congress, as a system in town, reacted to the prevents gun control? >> i don't think it has to. president. so we have anecdotes like this we've already decided within the about the president getting into framework of the second arguments with congress. amendment we're going to draw a we were given extraordinary line somewhere. access by leading members of shall not be infringed does not congress to capture these mean you're entitle today a moments of a guy who had never nuclear weapon. somewhere between a slingshot been in government in his life, and a nuclear weapon we're going how he would interact with to draw a line in the same way members of congress, many of my right to free speech doesn't include yelling fire in a whom had been in government all their life. >> i want to play this clip that crowded theater. there are common sense limits you got with nancy pelosi, after that a thinking society can live by while making sure that will they're going to do daca for the we honor the lifestyle of sporting which is where so many wall. hay nance, trump said to nancy family bonds are created and pelosi on a private phone call. just a deep part of our tradition and the idea that it was great to be with you yesterday. you and chuck are getting rave people should be equipped to reviews. defend tems hads if they need me? to. >> unfortunately, i have to i'm okay. leave it there. paul ryan and mitch mcconnell thanks for being on. stay safe on the trail. not so good. we didn't get much to foreign >> the book illustrates how policies and other issues, but often the president wants to do it's a long campaign.

when we come back, the joe biden debate. could he be the candidate least deals with nancy pelosi and representative of the modern chuck shchumer. democratic party who also has this is an occasion of the best chance of defeating president trump? ent trump? republicans thinking he could >> i'm richard lewis. leave them high and dry. >> donald trump the individual i breaking news this hour for us, department of homeland security think wants to cut deals with whoever. but he doesn't look like a guy and kirsten nielsen has who looks ready to cut deals. resigned. >> no, because he's looking back president trump says kevin mcleanen, the current customs at fox news. >> get's roped back in. and border will be the new >> exactly. and the economy he knows isn't secretary. nielsen became the face of child working for most americans so he separation policy and more. she received pressure from the uses the scapegoats of president to move faster on immigrants, poor people, black policy. earlier this week, trump abruptly pulled the nomination family. he's mastered the play book. it's divide and concur. of rob and wanted to go in a >> when you read their book you tougher direction. sit there and think it's more on this breaking story unbelievable how little he's later. back to "meet the press" after a short break. o "meet the press" a gotten through congress. short break. but then when you read the book you understand why. because there are options. >> he has gotten through 32

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to the president. >> back on planet earth, president trump has rejected two major immigration deals he could have had with democrats and his party supported. the president has been all over the map on this issue and we catalog has been close to a deal with chuck schumer and paul ryan. he's been all over the place on this issue. >> what do democrats need to say on the border? could they advocate open borders. >> that's from fox news. that's never been the democratic position. the democratic position has been for almost 20 years now a path to citizenship, a humane and legal way for the people waiting desperate to become american citizens to do so. things like the dream act. i was surprised to hear mitt romney capitulate on the dream act. this is enormously popular. this is a country that said you're an american if you come

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welcom >> welcome back. hue hewitt here, heather mcgee, the chuck todd cast, i'll let you in on what we're hearing and and we two reporters from thinking about 2020 and more. it's the inside stuff that's "politico" who write our networks second favorite newsletter in the morning. better left unsaid on anna palmer and senior writer jake sherman. television. you can scribe for the podcast jake and anna are the authors of wherever you get your podcast. the very readable new book "the hiel to die on" the hill of we'll be back next week because course being capitol hill. if it's sunday, it's "meet the we're going to get to your book press." in a little bit. but this simply, this is the discover. longest interview i've had with mayer pete. heather, this is your side of the spectrum. how did he do? what did you think? >> i think he did great. he's a rods scholar, went to hi, what's this social security alert? harvard. he's a years younger than it's a free alert if we find your social security number on the dark web. me. good, cuz i'm a little worried about >> right now we're in the moment my information getting out. and finding out who is pete. why's that? [bird speaking] my social is 8- 7- 5 dash i think we're finding out what's he going to do for american okay, i see. [bird laughing] somebody thinks it's hilarious. families. voters are interested in the free social security alerts from discover. biography of all that.

somebody thinks it's hilarious. what they want to know is how will you change the life of my plants capture co2. children, how will you help me what if other kinds of plants captured it too? afford retirement and that kind if these industrial plants had technology of thing. there's going to be demonstrable change in their shot at the that captured carbon like trees we could help lower emissions. american dream and that's why they're asking candidates for carbon capture is important technology - platforms. that's not yet part of his and experts agree. that's why we're working on ways to improve it. story. >> the path of the presidency so plants... goes to the rust belt. can be a little more... like plants. he's of the rust belt. >> he has deindustrialization of ♪ the midwest in his bones and i think that's true. this was another hurdle crossed for mayor pete. he worries me from a republican standpoint. i would like to have 20 democrats on the stage with 5% each. right now bernie sanders is the front runner and you've got the vice president and you've got this rocket ship coming up. and the ability to give a good interview and hold the attention of the american people. i always said donald trump is the best interview in america because he holds the attention

of the audience. i think mayor pete might give him a run. >> so, the other end of the age spectrum is joe biden. it is interesting to me, anna, about this. it gets us to biden. he literally is a 21st century democrat and we're having this debate about whether biden's 21st century enough. >> clearly you saw pete really lean into the fact that his age and drawing stark contrast -- >> what did he say, 2054 i'll be the same age as the president. >> exactly. what i think you've seen on the biden front and for the last tailored recommendations, tax-efficient investing strategies, week plus is feels like he needs more oil in the machine in terms and a dedicated advisor to help you grow and protect your wealth. of what the response is, how slow it was. is he made for the campaign of fidelity wealth management. 2020? right now i think there's big questions there. >> i think he hasn't gotten in which is stunning to me. if he were in the race, joe biden, and were out giving stump speeches every day, he would be able to talk about something else besides these allegations or at least he could address it and move on.

he's not in the race for reasons that are not clear to me and it gives a vacuum for someone like mayor pete to get in and shape the dialogue and the debate and say we need somebody of this generation. >> he's leading the polls -- he being joe biden. i think the reason is the sense of electability. in a usa today poll, democratic primary voters said by 20 points i want someone who will win rather than someone who has the same ideology of me. that's about the nightmare of not wanting to wake up to an electoral college victory by welcome back to "kasie dc." donald trump again. we have voted in this country i'm kasie hunt. for change, for disrupting the we're live every sunday from washington from 7:00 to 9:00 status quo every tame we've had the chance since the financial p.m. eastern. tonight, breaking news the department of homeland security crash. i don't think joe biden represents that change, particularly for younger voters. >> i want to go back to one more secretary has resigned. thing pete told you. kirstjen nielsen is out tonight. he would enter the white house we have some of the top with more military experience. reporters in washington with that's true unless seth molten their latest reporting. plus wrestle mania, getting

gets in. that's impressive. every american ought to respect that even if they're not going to vote for him. ready to go that sets him apart from everybody else on the democratic platform, even bernie who is ahead in money and i think enthusiasm. it's just worth noting and deserves respect. >> i'm curious. i find mayor pete far less interesting than what he reveals about the democratic field. he has up staged others. he's enjoying his 15 minutes. is this a fair shot jake? >> yes, absolutely. i think voters don't want washington. >> is that the worst thing you can have, is senator. >> i think that's right. this guy has run a city. he has a story to tell that doesn't include going to the floor for cloecher votes. >> i don't think he would say the word.

>> that's probably right. >> you know, americans love the underdog. the media loves the underdog. he comes into the race. i don't think anybody took him seriously thinking he was going to be a top contender at all. he's a rocket ship as you said and it's just wondering can he keep that momentum. that's the big question i have. >> i want to switch a little bit which is the -- frank bernie got to this where pa lrnt a mayor pete is being criticized, is he guy enough, or kamala harris, i party -- here's barack obama. let's play president obama on this yesterday and see what he said about this. >> one of the things i worry about sometimes among progressives in the united states, maybe it's true here as well, is a certain kind of rigidity where we say oh, i'm sorry. this is how it's going to be. and then we start sometimes creating what's called a

circular firing squad. >> you know, heather, i thought stacey abrams said there's the line that everybody's searching for is forgiveness with accountability. and that seems to be what is the struggle, what does that look like, forgiveness plus accountability. >> right. we are right now evolving what the democratic party is. people who do focus groups and public opinion polls say all the time republicans, very refined. democrats you basically have to have everyone else. what you're seeing with the huge primary is recognition that identity shapes your experience for the country, for most people, how you look, your identity, who you love, shapes how people treat you and the circumstan rigid on the