her now. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline extra." i'm tamron hall. thanks for watching. thanks for watching. a major shakeup in the trump administration. homeland security kirstjen nielsen has announced she's resigning. it comes days after she visited the southern border with president trump. plus former president obama back in the spotlight, voicing concern he says he's worried about the progressive wing of the party undercutting allies. and democrats have given the irs until this wednesday to turn over the president's tax returns. top republicans and some of trump's closest allies say it's not going to happen.

good morning, everybody. it is monday, april 8th. i'm yasmin vossoughian. ayman mohyeldin is off. chances are he's wide awake right now but i'll explain. following the abrupt exit of homeland security kirstjen nielsen late last night she tweeted this, i have agreed to stay on secretary through wednesday, april 10th to assist with an. orderly transition and ensure that key dhs missions are not impacted. president trump asked for her resignation at the white house sunday evening just 48 hours after kirstjen nielsen joined him for a visit to the border. officials told "the washington post" that a sign of the discord came friday when the white house yanked the senate nomination of a long time federal immigration official to lead immigration and customs enforcement after senior white houseven miller lobbied trump to cut him

loose. on his way to the about the decision to shake up his immigration enforcement team. watch this. >> going in a little different direction. ron is a good man but we're going in a tougher direction. i want to going a tougher direction. >> the president and kirstjen nielsen's poor relationship was exacerbated by trump's failure to consult with her on his decision to withdraw the nomination, a person close to kirstjen nielsen tells nbc news. trump tweeted her departure yesterday evening and announced that the current customs and border protection commissioner will become acting secretary. last week president trump was seek agnew immigration strategy over concern for his 2020 campaign as illegal border crossings have surged. the associated press reported that trump was considering naming an immigration czar to

potentially serve as the face of the administration on immigration issues, showing the president and his supporters that he's taking action. now on friday kris kobach said he would consider the job. president trump spent most of the weekend trying to get a handle on his border policy. on saturday night he tweeted this. we have redeployed 750 agents on the southern border's specific ports of entry in order to help with the large scale surge much illegal migrants trying to make their way into the u.s. quote this will cause traffic and commercial delays. but the president seemed frustrated by beefing up resources at the ports adding this. until mexico cleans up this ridiculous massive migration, we will be focusing on border security not ports of entry.

in public appearances evented his desire to change the laws. >> now, congress has to act. they have to get rid of catch and release, chain my grags, visa lottery. they have to get rid of the whole asylum system because it doesn't work and frankly we should get rid of judges. you can't have a court case every time somebody steps their foot on our ground. we've had some very bad court decisions. the flores decision is a disaster, i have to tell you. judge flores, that decision is a disaster for our country. >> however, there was no judge flores in the decision that he was referencing that bars the federal government from detaining minors for more than 20 days. the settlement in the case known as reno versus flores was named after a 15-year-old migrant from el salvador. former president barack obama shared his concerns among the field of different minded

democrats while speaking in berlin on saturday. >> one of the things i do worry about sometimes among progressives in the united states, maybe it's true here as well, is a certain of rigidity, i'm sorry this is how it will be. then we start creating a circular firing squad where you start shooting at your allies because one of them is strained from purity on the issues. and when that happens, typically the overall effort and movement weakens. you have to recognize that the way we structured democracy requires you to take into account people who don't agree

with you and that by definition means you're not going to get 100% of what you want. >> obama used the affordable care act as an example of not getting exactly what he wanted but compromising to see it through. new jersey senator and 2020 democratic candidate cory booker announced his campaign has raised more than $5 million in the first quarter of 2019. the "new york times" report booker's campaign declined to disclose how many people had donated or the number of contributions that he had received. however booker's senate campaign says it also has $4.1 million. money it can transfer to a presidential campaign. the senator so far has the lowest announced fundraising totals of his fellow 2020 democratic contenders falling just under the $7 million raised by south bend, indiana mayor pete buttigieg who has yet to formally announce his presidential bid. democratic congressman tim ryan kicked offer his 20

presidential campaign on saturday with a rally in youngstown, ohio. ryan is the latest candidate to join the crowded democratic field held his first campaign event in his congressional district in the industrial midwest, making his case to the country's blue collar workers. we don't need a superstar and we don't need a savior. we need to come together and we need grit and determination. just maybe the person that can help heal these wounds is a working class kid from a working class family from a working class community that will go work his rear end off for the american people. flyover states are my states. the flyover states are your states and the flyover states are going to start governing in the united states of america again.

>> all right. let's talk about some of this. joining me from washington, senior washington correspondent david drucker. thanks for joining us so early. let's talk about tim ryan as we just heard from him in youngstown, ohio at his first campaign rally over the weekend, officially joining the 2020 race. what do you make of tim's appeal to blue collar workers as a way to stan out amongst a very crowded field so far? >> i think it depends on where this fits into the democratic primary, especially with so many candidates. the winner of the presidency is going by necessity to have to appeal to blue collar workers and as he referred to them the flyover states, the heartland, manufacturing communities, communities that are no longer manufacturing commune because they have been decimated by a changing and evolving economy. so he's on the right track in terms of his messaging and his approach when you're looking at

a 2020 general election. the question is with so many choices in the democratic primary, is this sort of focused message one that is stylistic and will probably shy away from ambitious progressive proposals that have been exciting a lot of the democratic base. is that going to take off? >> is this enough to stand out, to say the least. you have a new piece out, david, this morning about how freshman democratic lawmakers are already pulling in huge fundraising totals. we have heard so much from these freshmen democratic lawmakers in the last six months or so since they have been in office. obviously they have a ways to go until 2020, and the next election. but what type of thing could this signal for house republicans in 2020? could they be in trouble here? >> look, always, whenever you win a house majority the party out of power figures that it's possible it was an anomaly and

they have their best chance of snapping things back while you deal with a lot of freshmen trying to get their sea legs under them and haven't established themselves with their constituents. what was interesting to me is that we're not talking some of the rock stars or media celebrities, if you will, among house democratic freshmen. alexandria occasio-cortez and some other big names whom i'm sure will post big fundraising numbers. i started to get these numbers in my in box. josh harder, joe cunningham, most people never hear from them or see them in the news and republicans never focus on them and they are raising money hand over fist which shows you the level of energy democrats have heading in to 2020. it will make for a very competitive presidential race and also for a very competitive battle for the house of representatives with democrats who are in a very good place so far. >> thank you. we'll talk to you again in just a little bit. as we go to break, we have

got some breaking news about the "morning joe" first look family. ayman mohyeldin will be off for a little bit of time. with very good reason. he became the proud dad to a new baby boy which was very surprising to them to say the least. mom is doing great. big sister could not be happier. so i'm going to be holding down the fort alongside special guests while he gets some much needed family time with his new bundle joy. that makes four in his family. acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney warns democrats will never see trump's tax returns. we'll bring in danny cevallos. is he here? he's not here yet. for his thoughts on that. stay with us, everybody. us, eve.

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means committee asked the irs to turn over six years worth of the president's personal and business tax returns, setting the deadline as this wednesday. mulvaney and other trump allies said over the weekend that it's not going to happen. >> you believe demonstrate will never see the president's tax returns? >> oh, no, never. nor should they. keep in mind that was an issue that was already litigated during the election. voters knew he could have given his tax returns he didn't and they elected him anyway which drives democrats crazy. >> is the supreme court said on multiple occasions that congressional oversight cannot become law enforcement. this idea you can use the irs as a political weapon, which is what's happening here is incorrect both as a matter of statutory law and constitutionally. we should not be in a situation where individuals, individual private tax returns are used for political purposes.

>> joining me here on set, legal analyst danny cevallos. so we're hearing from jake sekulow from over the weekend that congress could request individual citizens tax returns only for a quote legitimate legislative purpose. there's this 1924 law from what i understand where congress can literally request tax returns ever any of us in this room at any moment for no probable cause, right? >> not only that. yes. it used to be before that, the fortunate executive branch had the only power to request this. since then it's flipped and that 1924 law which is our modern 6103 a the army you may be hearing quite a bit in the future has flipped that such that the president no longer has that power it's congress and three committees responsible for taxes that have the power to request those returns. of any individual including the president. >> but it's going to come down to steve mnuchkin, isn't it and the treasury? >> it is in the sense that the president may order steve mnuchkin not to turn those over.

ultimately it's the courts and the legal battle that will ensue because there's the argument that the president either has executive privilege, or based on some decisions coming out of the '70s that there's this informational right to privacy that prevents the release of this information because it is one thing for congress to see the returns. it is another for congress to release the returns or do something with that information that would allow to it be public. >> but congress isn't arguing they want to release the returns. >> that's right. but functionally once the committee gets it if they lease to it congress many view that as well that's just as bad as if it got out to the public because it could potentially leak. the important thing to understand is what jay sekulow said is that the law itself does not expressly require a legitimate legislative purpose, but because it flows from that law, the same congressional powers to investigate, it can be reasonably said that the congress needs the same

justification it needs for any other investigation sway legitimate committee purpose. >> give me the bottom line. will we or won't we? >> i think we will. >> you think we will? >> only based on precedent because congress has as recently as 2014 released tax return information even when arguably there was no legitimate legislative purpose. so sometimes the law just doesn't provided equate protection. >> i feel with tax law too it can be so complicated at times and i feel that could feasibly be in the president's favor because could it be interpreted in many ways. >> you should see my grades from my tax law class. i will fight for them never to be released. danny cevallos, thank you. let's turn now to someone else who i think probably did pretty well in school. >> good enough to get here.

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this blue on this map shows you where it's snowing. north of portland an all out snowstorm throughout the day. any apologies. spring can be cruel in northern new england. steady rain is over in new york city. wet ride through boston. here's that snowfall forecast. when you get to the purple that's six inches and up to a foot of snow in northern maine. good weather is in the middle of the country. we'll talk about the week ahead forecast. there's a blizzard on the map come wednesday and thursday and i'll let you know who will get it. >> i think those people want to turn off their tvs. no don't turn off your tvs if you're watching. we do have some good news. there's something in the water here, i got to say at "morning joe". last block we told you about ayman mohyeldin. he's the proud dad avenue baby. this is actually mercy rose. she's so cute. she was born on saturday

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welcome back, everybody. i'm yasmin vossoughian. it's the bottom of the hour. let's start with the morning's top stories. amid president trump's growing frustration over continued illegal border crossings we've learned homeland security kirstjen nielsen has resigned. president trump asked for her resignation at the white house sunday evening just 48 hours after kirstjen nielsen joined him for a visit to the border. nbc news white house

correspondent kelly o'donnell has more from the white house. >> reporter: good morning. a major shakeup in the president's cabinet. it's a very outward sign of his frustrations over the southern border. kirstjen nielsen is out as secretary of homeland security. she was called to the white house sunday for a meeting with the president. she later released her resignation where she writes in part that she hopes the next secretary will have the support of congress and the courts to fix the laws which she says has impeded our ability to fully security america's boards and contributed to the nation's discourse. the president announced her departure by tweet and while he thanked kirstjen nielsen for her surface that method was a sign on its very face the tensions the sources said president heard calls by some that she step down including the head of the border patrol union. the president went ahead and named an acting secretary. that's the kent commissioner of customers and border protection who was confirmed by the senate for that job.

the change of course is striking because kirstjen nielsen of traveling with the president the end of last week visiting the border. she's been under fire at different points during her ten new ye tenure like the family separation policy. >> president trump is lashing out once again at bob mueller and his team of investigators. the president tweeted yesterday morning quote looks like bob mueller's team of 13 trump haters and angry democrats are illegally leaking information to the press while the fake news media make up their own stories with or without sources, sources no longer matter to our corrupt and dishonest mainstream media. they are a joke. meanwhile house judiciary chairman jerrold nadler said yesterday congress has a right to see mueller's full report. he also vowed that some of mueller's report would not leak if an unredacted version of the report were given to his committee. the president's attorney rudy giuliani responded saying he would like the congressman to get quote all the information.

>> are you arguing that the information if it is shared with the committee would not leak publicly? can you guarantee that? >> certainly. some of it would not leak publicly. some of it would be decided. some grand jury information -- first of all some grand jury information would be decided, mufrt be released by court order to the public. that's happened in the past. might happen again in the future. but, again, the committee has a very good record of protecting information which it decides to protect. >> would you like to respond to the congressman who says he has the right and the committee has the right for all of this information. do you agree? >> i would like him to get all the information. >> including the things that are protected. >> everything. i guarantee you, except for little quibbles. >> former vice president joe

biden joking about the reason controversy surrounding complaints about inappropriate contact just days after promising to be more respectful. >> just want you to know i had permission to hug ronnie. [ laughter ] [ applause ] i don't know, man. but you realize 54% of the american people think their children will never reach the standard of living they reached. that's never happened before. 54%. and you guys can sit on the edge -- i don't want you to have to stand all alone -- by the way he gave me permission to touch him. all right. [ laughter ] >> so the speech was biden's first public appearance since several women made allegations he made them feel uncomfortable cluing lucy to resa former

democratic nominee for nevada lieutenant governor. flores reacted to biden's remarks tweeting it's clear joe biden has not reflected at all on how his inappropriate and unsolicited touching made women feel uncomfortable and to make light of something as serious as consent degrades the conversation that women are trying have. shortly after the speech biden addressed his comments saying he did not intend to offend anybody. >> wasn't my intent to make light of anyone's discomfort. i realize my responsibility is not to invade the space of anyone who is uncomfortable in that regard and i hope it wasn't taken that way. >> joining me now from washington, nbc news political reporter. aesthetic, good to see you this morning. some mixed reviews per biden's response on friday. first of making light of the

situation with those young kids and then secondly what he said on that driveway that we just heard. what your hearing? >> it seems like he's trying to have it at both ways. he put out this video that had tones of an apology and seemed you were supposed to takeaway from it he wassi apologizing bu he never said the words. then he focused on his intentions rather than how it came across. doesn't seem he takes this issue seriously. that's what concerns a lot of democrats who have been watching this and who have been aware that this was going come because after all we've been watching joe biden for years interacting with women this way and it was foreseeable this issue would come up and be litigated. i think people hoped he would have a better response to it. it done seem he's taken it that seriously. for him he considers himself a hero on these issues. he talked about how he was the lead sponsor on violence against

women act. he still is not going to be able to put this issue away until he settles one way or the other. >> we had a vote on the violence against women act last week i believe on thursday or so. we had a vote on that. let's talk about your new reporting on the expanding democratic presidential field. do you think an influx of candidate options could end up overwhelming voters in 2020 or do you think it's a good thing? alex? did i lose you? looks like i lost alex. which happens on live television. already, though, thank you for weighing in, alex. coming up, six weeks after saying he would release his most recent tax returns soon bernie sanders had this to say. >> you have filed your taxes for the past ten years. why not release them today? >> they would be released very, very shortly. april 15th is coming.

we'll do our taxes for this year. and -- >> 2016, 2017. >> they will be there. you'll be happy to see them. when you want to talk about taxes, president trump we'll release ten years of our tacks you do the same. >> with you calling on the president to release his taxes why not do it now? >> not "right this minute". >> not today. >> do you think i have them in my back pocket, no. >> let's bring back alex. looks like his audio has been corrected. do you think this field for democrats will be overwhelming. >> i think it is already overwhelming. it's overwhelming for people like me. it's one of those menus at a diener that keeps unfolding. depending on who you include 14 candidates or 17 candidates already in. another five or six that are almost certain to get in. that makes at any time biggest field in history. . the biggest so far 2016 republicans that had 17

candidates. 1976 democrats had 16 candidates. so i do think there's kind of an issue for voters here. how do you keep track of them all? you want choices but you don't want so much work in sorting through them all. i talk to a behavioral scientist that said too many choices can overload people. they can have buyer's remorse. in 2016 and 1976 those big fields ultimately produced a nominee who won, but as we know with donald trump the party was not super excited, not totally unified by that choice in the end. >> thank you very much. we'll be seeing you on "morning joe" in just a little bit. also, everybody, the latest deadline for brexit is this friday. there's still no deal in place. nbc news foreign correspondent kyra simmons joins me on set for that conversation next.

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there are just a handful of days to go until the uk leaves the eu. no divorce deal is in place. on friday theresa may formally requested another brexit extension, this time until june 30th. may also sat down with opposition labor party jeremy corbyn in an effort to find some sort of way forward. temp u agreed late last month to conditionally delay the original march 29th brexit date until this friday if the prime minister's deal of not approved under a deadline. joining me here on set, kyra simmons. what are the chances that the eu doesn't grant the uk a second brexit extension. >> it's "groundhog day". look first things first. anything i say about brexit could be wrong. that's where we are.

so as long as you put this on tv we're all good. don't bring me back at the end of the week and say what are you talking. i think there will be a delay. a long delay. the french will be persuaded there should be a long delay. honestly from europe's perspective that's the best policy to just drag this out and allow the british electorate to become exhausted, worn out. >> why? >> because there's a sizable section of the british public who want to get out and are angry that the politicians haven't delivered that for them. >> as long as this drags out it won't happen. >> potentially more locked in perspective, that polarization in the country similar to here gets, you know, gets shaken. it's a little bit like football. you need to move the ball along the field if you want to score. it's going to be another tense week. friday is another crucial

deadline where britain could crash out of the european union. but i suspect that we will see a longer delay. ultimately i think what we'll see is a soft brexit, kind of a brexit but many, many ties still with the european union. >> how are people in the uk feeling about all this? >> it's tough. this is a battle for the future of europe. and there is again a sizable section of the british public who have never really been bought into europe, feel their sovereign is being taken away. you're looking at something for the british similar to the syrian crisis in the sense that this idea of british pride, of post-colonial british exceptionalism is being shaken again. there are a lot of british people who bought into that. i saw the snl sketch on saturday night the prime minister balking through the streets of britain being hated by everyone. you know what's sad about this is that the people, many people

who voted for brexit voted for pride and, in fact, what they are getting is humiliation. >> what happens with theresa may? >> theresa may is finished. absolutely. >> just a matter of time. >> yeah. but first -- she's a bit like a school teacher who is desperately trying to control a classroom of unruly students. all of those unruly students, the politicians are desperately trying to become prime minister themselves and to see their version of brexit happen without getting the blame for it if it goes wrong. it's very messy. the fundamental reason why it's messy is the country is divided and polarized. >> for people to understand, i feel on a local level when things happen politically in new york state or in this country you think about things economically, you think about real estate, your value of real estate, that sort of thing. there has got to be a sense in the uk right now where that type of thought is similarly going on. people are what will my property

value going to be like, the job situation will be like, none of which they can predict. >> exactly right. partly what's happening we're having the debate that should have happened before the vote now after the vote with still all of the possible options on the table. one of the thing that i found stunning through all of this is that britain is the fifth largest economy in the world. europe is the biggest economy in the world if you take the whole thing together. and the idea that you can rip britain out of europe and that doesn't have a sizable effect economically around the world, the fact that markets haven't been shaken by this indecision is stunning to me and i think is an indication that maybe on the markets they think there will absolution. >> i'll go out on a limb and say this conversation is the overwhelming conversation at water coolers versus meghan markle's upcoming baby.

>> it's a tie. >> it's a tie. wow. there you go. thank you. let's get a check on your weather with nbc meteorologist bill karins. >> a very busy week coming in. we have some storms to deal with in the southeast. northern portions of new england will get snow and heavy snow in maine as we go throughout monday. nystatin middle of the country. the next storm is moving on to the west coast. tuesday snow into the rockies. on wednesday this storm goes out to the plains. full out snowstorm from wyoming, portions of nebraska, south dakota, southern half of minnesota. it looks like a little bit of rain still mixture as far as south as milwaukee. southern half of the country will be nice. not dealing with a lot of severe weather this week. but we'll deal with this huge storm. thursday is a blizzard day. the storm moves off to the north on friday with light rain on the east coast. we have pictures of hail i want to show you. on saturday we had baseball size

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welcome back. the state party central committee voted yesterday to use the state's 2020 presidential primary results to allocate delegates to candidates using washington's vote by mail system and caucuses to select which delegates will represent the state at the national convention. in the past, the party has only used precinct caucuses. washington state's governor signed a bill last month moving the primary from may to the second tuesday in march. coming up, jim vandehei has a look at this morning's "1 big thing." and much more on kirstjen nielsen's abrupt resignation. hans nichols will have the latest from the white house. plus texas congressman colin

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welcome back, everybody. joining us from washington with a look at axios a.m., jim vandehei. good morning to you. >>good morning. >> talk to us about axios' "1 big thing" today. >> nobody leaves this white house on a high note it seems, especially in these national security positions. you had the homeland security chief departing last night. lots of drama leading up to that. obviously she didn't get along with the president that well, went into that meeting hoping to have what she called a reasonable conversation with him. it was clear he just wanted her to resign. a lot of bitterness around her. one of her aides telling us it's

clear the white house just likes to eat their own, not just her but john kelly, tillerson, mattis. the reason that that's problematic is it really hurts recruiting efforts when they want to bring in someone else to run defense or homeland security. it narrows the number of people who want to go in and have to endure a lot of pressure from the president on your job performance in realtime. we'll see who replaces nielsen. steven miller in the short term emerges even more powerful. he shares the president's view on immigration and immigration probably more than any topic today really consumes this president and this presidency. >> what does this mean for the president's immigration policy going forward? you have a, quote unquote, national emergency the president declared and saying there's an emergency at our borders.

that's in the president's words. now you have no secretary of homeland security, just an acting secretary. it's a critical time. >> the hard line gets harder. there is a problem on the border, you do have a massive surge of people coming especially from honduras, el salvador, other central american countries who are trying to get asylum and you have border patrol truly be overwhelmed. the president wants to take a lot of drastic steps and a lot of people at the department of homeland security don't think it will help. people leave because of political instability, rampant gangs and it's a not a nice place to live. whoever comes in is going to have to share the president's

down the border and take more radical steps to stem the flow of asylum seekers into the united states. >> there was a possibility that one of the reasons why kirstjen nielsen left was about the president wanting to close the border. is there any merit to that, that they disagreed over that? >> i think they disagreed over a lot. they had a lot of meetings, not necessarily that were heated in person, i think they had a pretty good personal rapport, but the president always felt he was getting lectured by her and always being told why he couldn't do the things he couldn't do what he wants to do. whenever people say no, no, you can't do that, the laws don't permit it or, no, no, that would disrupt things in the international order, he doesn't want to hear that. he wants to hear they're going to move quickly and do what he wants to do. that ends up creating tension. a lot of people fall in line publicly until they can't fall in line anymore or he loses

patience with them and ousts them. when she went in yesterday, i think she was probably thinking maybe i can reason with him and maybe we'll get a deal here where i don't have to leave. but the president even before she could get her letter out saying she was going to resign, resigned her. he usually uses twitter to stay someone's been ousted. >> she's not necessarily leaving on a high note to say the least. we're going to be reading axios a.m. in just a little bit. that does it for us on this monday morning. "morning joe" starts right now. >> what is a chain link fence enclosed into a chamber on a concrete floor represent to you? is that a cage? >> it's a detention space,

ma'am, that you know has existed for decades. >> does it differ from the cages you put your dogs in when you let them stay outside? is it different? >> yes. >> in what sense? >> it's larger. it has facilities, it provides room to sit, to stand, to lay down. >> the person who oversaw the seizing of children wasn't tough enough for the president. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." it is monday, april 8th. with us we have white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lemire, tom nichols, vjim vandehei. so kirstjen el