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>> give me fiction any day of the week. >> that's right. and if it's tuesday, somebody's voting somewhere! good evening, i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to "mpt daily." people are voting or they did in the middle east. we will get to the attorney general, first capitol hill testimony since robert mueller finished his investigation. a lot to talk about there. including, i would argue, democrats only asking him two questions about the health care lawsuit. but we begin with an urgent matter of national security involving the president's leadership. urgent enough some republicans are beginning to sound the alarm at the department of homeland security. the agency designed to prevent another 9/11 had its ranks simply gutted amidst a temper tantrum on immigration.

delg nbc news the ongoing staff shake-up on dhs is an aim to drive at changes. they are reportedly urging top officials to execute a much more aggressive and in some cases legal dubious crackdown. secretary nielsen reportedly raised red flags at some of the ideas so guess what? she's gone. the i.c.e. nominee was deemed weak so he's out. there will be no cpb chief as he takes over the entire agency, and to get him do that, the acting deputy at dhs may have to be dismissed to put him in charge. folks, it may not matter who's atop dhs because according to "the wall street journal," president trump told stephen miller, known as the hardline immigration aide of the president, quote, you're in charge of the maybe he's the acting secretary. as i mentioned, the mess at the dhs escalated to such an alarming extent on capitol hill, some republicans are starting to speak out.

>> i'm concerned. i'm concerned of the growing void and leadership within the department of homeland security. this is a department charged with tried with trying to grapple some of the most significant challenges facing the nation so i'm concerned. >> they have the sim philosophy of enforcing the laws that trump has so i don't understand why they would want to get rid of them. >> without question the fact that there is a whole list of vacancies in the department of homeland security. there are many things the department is responsible for, and that gives us some concern. >> joining us now in robert costa, political director at "the washington post" and msnbc contributor. he's someone who covers this trump white house closely. with me on set, national political reporter from bloomberg news and president of the institute and msnbc contributor. reporter, let's try to narrow

this down. is the president on a kill bill terror over anybody associated with john kelly? it seems as if anybody that john kelly -- because you throw in the secret service head that was also a john kelly appointee, that he seems to have gone to that trope a bit. does it seem where this tantrum has some roots in? >> based on my reporting it's rooted in part based on watching conservative figures talk about migrant surge and problems at the department of homeland security, it's a reaction and assertion of power, making sure he's the one, the white house is controlling the agency, is controlling the strategy when it comes to dealing with the migrant surge. it's stephen miller in one ear and jared kushner in another now that secretary nielsen is gone. >> what does that mean jared kushner in other? supposedly kushner and miller

don't see eye to eye. >> they don't at all. they have different approaches to the vacuum of power in the administration. kushner now basing my conversation with white house officials is talking to congressional republicans and democrats looking for a legislative deal on immigration. is there a legislationive fix here? >> that's a serious idea, they think after their actions, they can actually do legislative -- they think they can do legislation right now? >> it's a serious idea to mr. kushner. there's a lot of skepticism inside the house republican circles and signed the white house that it's possible in divided government. kushner feels buoyed by criminal justice reform but the miller school has the power. they're saying in essence ignore congress, work with executive authority make decisions and overhaul the whole process. so sa hill, i want to put this up. we have an acting fema director, vacant i.c.e. director, they withdrew him, we have a vacancy at cpb because of that.

we also have extra nominees. this is an arguably the second-most security agency in the government outside of the defense department. >> along with the fact there's no dhs secretary, no deputy secretary or cfo, chief finance officer. >> inspector general. it is amazing the gutting. >> this is a product of the president's frustration with the fact he was not able to make the changes in immigration law when he had the trifecta, when he had congress. so now what he's trying to do is use executive action to push the limits as far as he can. he's angry when they tell him no. nielsen pushed back and said you may love do this but it's not legal. we're not going to win in court. he's not accepting no for an answer there. >> let me pause at something here, i think he wants -- he would rather lose in court than not try. >> oh, absolutely. >> he would love against the judges. >> this is him basic thrilling the judiciary's gone rogue.

that's why mitch mcconnell and are i out to replace it and we're going to stand up to those judges because we have a crisis at hand. it's staggering. >> you know that's the case whenever he mentions the ninth circuit. >> most of these don't end up in the ninth circuit. not all of them do. >> in this case he's got his mitts on one where the ninth circuit said aha, you can't make everybody stay in mexico. i think what he either doesn't understand or maybe he understands all too well is the more chaos administratively there is here and on the border, the more of an attractive nuisance, so to speak, it is for people that want to try to come. in other words if your idea is to have a stable set of rules to tell people outside of the united states you can come here, it would be bet tore work within the law to make it clear than do what he's doing. which means he has another purpose. he has another purpose to sell

the chaos. that's always the case. >> i was going to say, bob, the chaos, he wants immigration to be the number one issue. he doesn't want it to be health care or anything else. he in his own mind thinks immigration is the magic elixir for everything because it's the way it got him the nomination and in his mind without that he doesn't become president. i understand why he's a one-note guy on it. it was a successful issue four years ago for him t does look like sewing towing the seeds of without outfitting dhs politically is not so bad for him, no? >> politically, he sees this as a dramatic action not just what he wants but needs for re-election in 2020. it was the stitching for 2016 to win the coalition states in the industrial midwest continue will be the stitching again that things like tax cut and traditional republican ideas are not enough to ruse his core

voters. so despite republicans privately and sometimes publicly saying, mr. president, back off of these hard-line policies, stop listening so much to stephen miller, he thinks he has to turn to this again and turn to it in a sharp way. >> i want to play his response on child separation today, because he somehow blamed somebody else for it. denied it was happening, said he stopped it and seemed to think -- basically lament it's not happening. take a listen. >> i'm the one that stopped it. president obama had child separation. i'll tell you something, once you don't have it, that's why you see many more people coming. they're coming like it's a picnic. let's go to disneyland. president obama separated children. they had child separation. i was the one that changed it. >> so i think what i heard in there is he thinks the reason obama had more success at

keeping people out? i don't quite know what he's arguing here other than i think he likes it. >> it's baffling. he seems to be saying president obama was too tough and he's going easier on people. it was tough, there were kids in cages then and now we're in disneyland? it's true there were families separated under the obama administration but those were people bringing drugs and traffickers. >> it wasn't a full-on policy for everybody. >> that was the exception. the rule was put people in family detention centers. sometimes those filled up. when the system couldn't handle them, you release them out in the open, the so-called catch-and-release policy. the trump administration made it a rule, a mother with two or three kids who appears to pose no danger, they were separated and the mother was prosecuted and kids sent away. that was a trump administration thing. i don't understand on one hand he wants to say he's the guy tough on immigration and apparently he's doing anything. >> apparently they are floating

inside -- they're not going to force separation but you have a buy nary choice, stay in detention together or give up your kids and get separated and save time. >> the idea behind family separation is it was such a terrible thing, it would be a deterrent. i think this was sort of the mad genius behind this all. the problem is, of course, it has played terribly and that's why he's gone to blaming president obama. it's certainly not a deterrent. we are creeping up on a million immigration cases back logged and at the same time the president is not really interested in having a system that can process this back log or leadership in the department that actually does deal with it. >> it's such a key point it wasn't a deterrent. the whole point of this as john kelly and other administration officials described it that it would be a tough deterrent. >> it's how they got people who weren't crazy about the policy. let's see if it's deterrent.

turns out it wasn't. >> there were 50,000 families last month who came to the border so it obviously is not a deterrent. again, what you have here is policy by tweet, policy by politics, policy by moment-to-moment feel. there's no consistency to any of it. as i said before, the irony of it is i think it's just encouraging the flow that donald trump claims he wants to stop, which makes me wonder if he really doesn't want continued turmoil and confrontation at the border for purely political reasons. i guess the answer to that question -- >> whether he wants it or not, he thinks chaos helps him, whether he wants it or not. >> this is all ratings scam for donald trump. did you spell my name right? am i on tv? are people talking about me? but there's a more important thing here, which is if they had a serious policy, they would not have cut out assistance programs to the very countries that are

sending migrants to the border. >> that makes no sense. robert, the final political point i want to make here, they viewed their electoral college strategy is going through the rust belt in the midwest. they're not as concerned about these southwestern states. ironically if you look at the 2018 midterms when the president cranked up theism congratulation propaganda, it did work in missouri and in indiana and in some of those places he wants to win. however, it backfired the closer you got to the border and that's been playing electoral fire. >> good point. >> that's why when you talk to the president's political advisers, they believe he has to keep going to phoenix like he did in the summer of 2015. he has to go back to nevada and california, even back to texas after what happened with beto o'rouke almost winning in 2018. they know that whole area needs to be cultivated politically, but they think it's all about stoking the base even in that part of the country, the

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report without a court fight. he said he expects the report within a week with reactions and color coding system, by the way, he said he will not give congress the report under any circumstances. he does not plan to give them grand jury material and not authorize the courts the release of that material y did barr clear the president when mueller wouldn't? we still don't know the answer to that question. nobody asked that specific question today. barr would not engage about questions of mueller's findings. and here's how he dodged questions about mueller's report specifically saying, quote, does not exonerate the president. >> i'm not in a position to discuss that further until the report is all out, and then what is meant by exonerate is really a question i can't answer. what he meant by that. >> as we sit here today, you can't opine after having read the report yourself why it reaches that conclusion that it does not exonerate the

president? >> that's right. >> oh, the followup question that all of us wanted to ask. ben wittes an msnbc analyst, and the rest of the panel back. we were all jumping out of her seats. the followup question is, how did you exonerate him? that question wasn't asked. ben, what did you make of today? >> i made of today that the attorney general is super eager to talk about this matter as little as possible until there is a text that he releases that he is planning that he thinks will satisfy people. we will see if it does. then he wants to engage over that text, where as the members of the committee were very interested in dealing with these questions now and making sure that they got a commitment to release a tax that would satisfy them. >> it seemed to me know they did

not spend a lot of time asking him questions about how he made memo decisions, which i just didn't understand. i mean, that was staring them in the face. >> right. of course, the answer to -- i think the answer to all such questions would be, well, you'll decide whether you think my memo is a reasonable account of the underlying document, which it was not meant to be a summary of, when you see the actual document itself, and so i think it's a very odd moment for the attorney general to be up there testifying because he's up there right as he purports to be about to release material that he's not prepared to talk about until he's actually releasing it. so you end up in this very frustrating series of interactions where they're asking him for commitments that he's not prepared to make about the nature of this release, and he's basically saying, wait until you see the release before you ask me any of these

questions, but they've got him up there now. >> right. i want to play an exchange between congresswoman lowing and the attorney general on whether he's briefed the white house on the mueller report. take a listen. >> did the white house see the report before you released your summarizing letter? has the white house seen it since then? have they been briefed on the contents beyond what was in your summarizing letter to the judiciary committee? >> i've said what i'm going to say about the report today. i'm not going say anything more about it until the report is out and everyone has a chance to look at it. >> you know, howard, watching bill barr today, it's like no matter what your politics are, he knows how to be a nonnews making witness. meaning as he went in there, he wasn't going make news or lose his cool. he did not want to hand them a

moment. you can tell this guy's been around the block before. >> many, many, many times. this was a budget hearing. >> it was. >> it wasn't supposed to necessarily be about the report. i think -- he made it clear during his confirmation hearing, he said basically i don't need this job. i'm going to do exactly what i want to do and by my light what is good for the country. which means at some point we have to make a judgment about william barr but we can't do it quite yet. he did say what does exoneration mean? then he said, i forget the sequence, but he also said in a strict binary sense, it's either indict or not indict. and no indictment was recommended. so what he seemed to be implying was that legally trump was in fact exonerated because mueller did not recommend indictment. >> danny, i think that's where they're going to come down when this report is released. >> i really think the truly

small conservative position should have been, the bottom line of conclusion is he's not recommending indictments. i will show you the redacted report as soon as i can period. when he made the decision to then make his own legal decision, he invited all of this. >> the door was always going to be open to the justice department making final decisions based on mueller's recommendations. that was sort of the trap the justice department was in and the attorney general knew that when he was going in. that's why i said, sitting right here, i can't believe he took that job. >> because he would have to make this call. >> he would have to make that call and it would become about him. but there's a fundamental truth here behind all of this, which is that, of course, the contents of the report are not actually that important because everybody's decided what it is. >> there's truth in that statement. >> the conversations i'm having with democrats suggest they're ready to escalate this process, potentially with subpoenas if

they don't get the information they requested from him. if the underlying material does not match their standard. barr outlined several categories of information he would not reveal, grand jury information, sources and methods, anything that would interfere with an ongoing prosecution and peripheral players being compromised. but democrats need to be satisfied he's only hiding what he needs to hide because they do not trust him >> knowing him a little bit and having covered him in past lives, he's the kind of guy -- this sounds crazy -- enjoy taking the heat, not enjoy but willing to take the heat here. he's going to say -- i'm guessing -- he's going to say i'm going to go a little bit farther in what i'm going to put out and allow to satisfy that side of things. other than that, i'm going to stand firm and he's going to fight against them all the way. >> ben wittes, what did you make of barr's testimony today when he said he gave mueller a chance to review the memo and mueller declined?

>> first of all, i thought it was a very interesting comment. i thought it was pretty revealing, you know, mueller is -- i think what's behind it is that mueller did not want to be responsible for barr's characterization. he wrote his report. barr was going to characterize it the way barr was going to characterize it. but mueller may have made the decision he wants his report to be to characterize itself. it's not up to him which parts of it become public. but he doesn't want to be part of the attorney general's account of it. and that may have been what was behind that. barr is saying, i'm responsible for my part of this, and bob mueller is saying, i'm responsible for my part of this. >> one other thing that barr said he was doing was -- i'm going to use this in quotes, reviewing the conducts of the

fbi's russia probe back during 2016. some are going to hear that he's opening an investigation and some are going to just hear, well, he's reviewing the conduct, whatever that means. what should we interpret that phrase as meaning, he might open an investigation? >> so, of course, there is an open investigation, which is the inspector general has been reviewing aspects of it. so it could mean that the inspector general's work is largely complete, and that there's some findings that he's reviewing. it could mean merely that there is an inspector general investigation, which is something we already knew, or it could be that there is something new afoot or he's just kind of asking questions. my guess is that it's a reference one way or another to the ig's inquiry. >> fair enough. ben wittes, i will leave it there. thank you. panel,ing you guys are sticking around.

coming up -- the democrats' next move on the mueller report. if the solution to the democrats' desire to get the full report is opening impeachment hearings. does that mean they'll do it? we'll talk to a democratic member of that committee that would start those hearings ahead. plus, the breaking news out of israel, on an election that isn't just about their leader but ours as well. i'with uncontrollederson who moderate-to-severe eczema, .

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if it's tuesday, i always like to say, people somewhere are voting. today that somewhere is israel, where prime minister benjamin netanyahu is locked in a tight race with former military chief benny gantz. polls are closed and both candidates are acting as if they declared victory. it's a parliamentary system so forming government, this is not going to be an easy thing to figure out. but our man, our chief correspondent bill neely, is in tel aviv for us. this will take days likely to figure out all of those things but both sides are claiming victory. what are we learning from some of the raw vote? did the coalition on the right outnumber the coalition on the i guess nonright, since that was a coalition of anti--bibi. >> yes, chuck, it is complicated. there is, as you know, two main and important figures here. so in 19 out of the 20 elections in israel's history, the biggest

part on the night goes on to form the government and the biggest party tonight according to an average of the three television exit polls would be benny gantz. they have him at 37 seats compared to benjamin netanyahu's 35. but look, it's not a first post system, it all depends on election governments and on that score there's a completely different result. they're saying the average there is benjamin netanyahu has a greater chance of putting together a coalition and, therefore, becoming the next prime minister. so i think we can conclude from all of that, as we said, it is just too close to call. but benjamin netanyahu had the race of his life. but benny gantz has another run an election before. he's got no political

experience, no foreign policy experience, but israeli voters have liked what they've seen and benjamin netanyahu's a man who's facing corruption charges. so his claims to have a fifth term in office, it's not there yet, chuck. >> i have a feeling it's going to be a competition to see who can form a government, and this is going to take some time. it's going to be fascinating. i think you're going to be in tel aviv a long time, bill. bill neely covering a crazy election night. thank you very much. before i run, really fast, since you're here, there's no queen in england. the queen says you get to form the government first and then you try. there's none of that in israel. they literally tomorrow are going to be horse trading, correct? >> yep. it's going to be an absolute debacle. this is the problem with the israeli political system. it's gross and all of the sausage making is going to be out in public. honestly, it's the only real true democracy in the middle

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report? or are you going to be selective as to what you give members of congress? >> you mean the unredacted report? >> uh-huh. >> no, the first pass at this is going to produce a report that makes these redactions based on these four categories. i don't intend at this stage to send a full unredacted report to the committee. >> welcome back. just how far are democrats willing to go to get the full unredacted mueller report? the chairman of the house

judiciary committee said today that anything less than everything is, quote, inadequate, and will go to court to get it. with me now is house judiciary member and democrat from california, karen bass. congresswoman, good to see you. thank you for coming on. >> thank you. same here. >> you heard from the attorney general there that he obviously does not plan on showing any unredacted version to congress. i think he would argue that's not what the regulation says, et cetera. so what do you legally have at your disposal that makes you think you can make him do this? >> well, first of all, we'll look to see what he presents but we certainly can issue a subpoena. as you recall, we voted last week to give the chairman the authority to issue a subpoena, and if they don't comply with the subpoena, we will take them to court. i know this was done years ago in a previous administration and that might be what we have to

do. if we have do that though, i think it will be a sad day but remember this is the attorney general who auditioned for the job with a 19-page report saying he pretty much is going to do exactly what he's doing. >> he clearly has an expansive view of executive power at a minimum. let me ask you this, the watergate special prosecutor and laurence tribe, harvard law professor of some ♪, have an op-ed today arguing if barr is essentially being very aggressive with redactions due to the grand jury -- using the two things that i think he would rely heaviest on to do redactions, the law governing grand jury secrecy and the law that has to do if you're not charging somebody, don't -- you don't want to besmirch their character if they're not being charged. >> right. >> now, they're arguing if you start impeachment hearings, you're entitled to all of this in the same way a prosecutor is

because this is suddenly a prosecatorial entity. do you think you'll have to go all the way to opening an impeachment inquiry to force the attorney general to share it all with you? >> you know, i certainly hope we don't have to do that. i think that would be very divisive. i think not only do we need the full report, but we also want all of the underlying evidence. we're asking for even more. and i think it would be a shame if we had to resort to that. i know we have not discussed that so far but so far it will come to that. i will tell you though i'm very concerned for him to say he's going to redact things that might besmirch a person's character. he could then give us, you know, 100 pages of completely redacted material, and that's just not going to be acceptable. >> what does a compromise look like here? are you open to a -- where you get to look at it but not keep a copy of it?

it's held in a secure room. there's all sorts of ways -- i remember the so-called torture report, which is what some called it. others called it the enhanced interrogation investigation. there were sensitivities there and many members of congress went and saw it themselves but couldn't take notes and all of that. is that a compromise that's worth thinking about here? >> i don't believe it is at all. i mean, this is an investigation the taxpayers paid for and not only should it be made available to members of congress, i think it should be made publicly available. now, i know there might be some redactions that are needed, classified information and, of course, that's going to be acceptable. but i do believe the signals coming from barr though are not very positive. so i would be very concerned about the way he is signaling now that it is going to be heavily redacted. but you asked what course we could take, perhaps we subpoena

mueller. it seems there were a number of people involved on mueller's team that are very frustrated with the lack of information that barr has put out. so it might mean that we subpoena some of those people. i won't be surprised if over time if he really does do a complete whitewash job that more people involved in the investigation are going to start talking. >> in fairness, congresswoman, we don't know anything yet though. you're assuming the worst here of the attorney general. in fairness, why? >> i am. i'm assuming the worse because i think he was pretty clear in his auditioning document how he viewed this whole thing, and remember, during the confirmation process, you remember he was asked to recuse himself. he didn't do that. he was also asked during the confirmation process would he release the full report, and he was, you know, pretty much saying he would have to wait and see. so i think that given all of the time that has been, all of the suspension, all of the

taxpayers' resources, there's an obligation for that report to be released in full. >> i want to change subjects here on another congressional hearing today that you were involved with and what's amazing is, you actually, it turned out, the way the hearing was watched proved the point. >> exactly. >> so during the hearing, youtube was covering the hearing live. you had a google representative testifying, having to do how to deal with white nationalism, white supremacist hate and this issue that google, facebook have had a hard time dealing with it. google because then and operate youtube. well, there were so many hateful comments, youtube had to basically shut down the comments section, basically proving they don't know how to deal with this. >> i mean, exactly. i think this was a very, very important hearing. unfortunately, my colleagues on the other side of the aisle wanted to use it for different

purposes, to show that there was discrimination on the side of democrats and all and that really wasn't what the hearing was supposed to be about. we do have a problem in this country with domestic terrorism. we have a problem in this country with white supremacy. we also have a problem with the way the social media is, the fact all of those comments came in and they literally had to shut the comment period down. i think that's an example of the problem. >> does google at all believe they should be held responsible for what is on youtube? >> well, i think that they feel they should be held responsible but they also feel that they can police themselves. and so i think that the fact they shut it down was them dm n demonstrating they have the capacity to monitor it themselves. but obviously this is an issue we need to look at. we know the impact this had on the last election in 2016, the

fact that there were the hate messages trying to persuade african-americans not to vote, to take things very negatively. so we know that this is a serious problem. >> does it prove they can shut it down, or does it prove they don't know how to filter it out? they don't have a filter they claim they can use? >> right, right. well, i think that was pretty clear >> that's for sure. congresswoman karen bass, good to see you. democrat from california. thank you for coming on and sharing your views. appreciate it. coming up -- russian interference and questions of collusion to election interference of a whole other kind. president trump just didn't put his finger on the scale in the israeli elections, he put his whole fist, the other arm, a leg. anyway, that's next. voya helps them to aough retirement... dealing with today's expenses ...while helping plan, invest and protect for the future. so they'll be okay? i think they'll be fine. voya. helping you to and through retirement.

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i have understood for quite some time now that there are those in this country whose favorite past time is attacking health care. but your decision as our new attorney general to throw the weight of the united states department of justice behind an effort to get the federal courts entirely to invalidate the patient protection and affordable care act as unconstitutional is breath taking. >> believe it or notion just two democrats pressed the attorney general about the justice department's decision to support a court ruling which would strike down the entire affordable care act. the panel is back. let me play quickly an exchange between barr and charlie crist on obamacare. >> i hear members of the committee saying, you've taken this legal position that can

have bad consequences. bad policy consequences. >> yes. >> but as you know, as an attorney general, you take positions based on the law and you litigate them in court and the court makes the decision. >> that is true. >> so if this was such a hokie position to take, what are you worried about? >> what i'm worried about are the people that i work for. the american people. the people you work for, sir. and it's our duty around here to look out for their best interests as public servants. >> there is a reason i wanted to focus on health care. there was a big story in the "new york times" about how you have social media liberals who are in one camp on issues that the democratic party seems to care about. then you have the real world. people who don't live on social media who have a different situation. health care and mueller is the difference between real world and your sort of, the people who

live and breathe social media and i'm on cable news so i'll say it, maybe addicted to cable news. >> that's the most breath taking part of this hearing, to borrow the word. this story was kryptonite for the republicans. there's nothing they wanted to debate less than health care. they have the house now. they can no longer make people afraid that they will go away legislatively and the trump administration just handed them a massive gift that they'll want to talk about every day. single payer does divide people. they don't want to talk about that but they want to talk about pre-existing conditions. >> i would go back to, the democrats won 2018 on health care, not on mueller. it does seem as though elected democrats in the house and perhaps those that they spend way too much time, they themselves may spend too much time on social media and cable news. they're thinking that's their focus.

when health care is probably what their constituents care about. >> they might have made bill barr maybe slightly uncomfortable. >> he called the suit hokie. you think it's hokie. he is a reminder. he is. he is not an easy witness. >> he likes the combat and he's very good at it. but i think if you're going on give him credit for being a man of good will. perhaps he wants to protect the prerogatives of the department of justice as the attorney general. that he's not merely the water boy for the president of the united states. so one line of questioning, which would have gone both after bill barr and the issue of health care would have been, you know, how do you come to this kind of decision? one thing that an attorney general does is give frank a useful legal advice to the president of the united states. what might you have said? you don't just blindly do anything he says, do you? >> and ironically, his answer

was, he believes the attorney general does answer to the president. if he's asked to sign on to a lawsuit or sign off of one, he'll do it. >> technically the attorney general does answer to the president. what you've laid out is the trap the democratic party has set for itself. if it is going to be the party of likes, the party of clicks -- >> or woke. the woke part is all on social media. not the real world. >> then it will have nothing to offer the electorate in 2020. >> we're getting attacked on social media for our ridiculousness to talk about the real people versus social media. >> russia may drive clicks and it is an important part. no doubt. but public opinion is stuck on this. health care doesn't move people. >> the number one issue in 2018. >> as the number one issue supported democrats by a margin of 75-23%. this is staggering. that means a lot of nondemocrats decided it is for the democratic candidate because they were worried about the issue of health care.

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>> that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press." good evening, ari. >> good evening, chuck. we are tracking several big stories on "the beat." donald trump's secretary admit they have discussed that they've discussed taxes. tonight i have some words for stephen miller, donald trump's long time aide who is playing a big role on immigration but has, i'll show you, he has some problems with the very civics questions that immigrants have to tackle and answer when they become citizens of this nation. i'm going to get into all of that. i begin with bill barr, putting out real-time lines today. under oath to the congress saying he will release some version of the mueller report within