that wraps it up for me this hour. i'm richard lui. i'll be back tomorrow at 4:00 p.m. eastern. let me know what you think. for now, i turn it over to reverend al sharpton and "politicsnation." good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, monstrous. there's no other word to describe the trump administration's escalating response to the migrant crisis. as first reported by "the washington post" this week, that the white house has pressed

immigration officials to dump thousands of detainees in sanctuary cities, all in the name of pettiness and punished mostly democratic districts and their lawmakers. the administration admitted to floating the plan, then dropping it, not because it was so mean or so authoritarian, but according to a homeland security official, because it was, quote, so illegal, which, in president trump's mind, means so what? >> we'll bring the illegal, whatever you call them, i call them the illegals. they came across the border illegally. we'll bring them to sanctuary city areas and let that particular area take care of it. they want more people in their sanctuary cities, well, we'll give them more people. we can give them unlimited supply. let's see if they're so happy. they say we have open arms.

let's see if they have open arms. >> adding to the fascist if n , fantasy, nbc news reports they have also discussed militaryizing migrant detention by having u.s. soldiers build tent cities and monitor detainees directly in defiance of u.s. law. looming behind all the news, attorney general william barr says a redacted version of the mueller report is slated to drop sometime this week, but will the edits satisfy congressional democrats losing their patience with the process? joining me now, doug thornell, democratic zprajs a former advisory to the democratic national committee, and joe watkins, republican strategist and former white house aide under president george h.w. bush. doug, let me go to you first.

this idea even to be floated, denied, and then repeated as you just saw by the president, of sending migrants to sanctuary cities. let me get this right. he wants to build a wall, he wants at another point close the border. now he wants to send people that come across the border all over the united states to democratic sanctuary cities for no other reason than to punish his political opponents. >> yeah, rev. this man has a broken soul. every day he proves that to the american people. this is another example of that. many of these migrants are fleeing, asking for asylum, they're bringing children. and the president wants to use them as pawns in this game. and that is disgraceful. but it shows that this president has failed on the whole issue of immigration, both his supporters who wanted a wall and they

wanted that wall paid for by mexico, they aren't going to get that. he failed to get mexico to pay for it. for the rest of the american people who were hoping for maybe some type of immigration reform, he has turned this into a partisan issue. if you remember back when president george w. bush was in office, he was looking to find an immigration reform plan. he was working with people like john mccain and lindsey graham and democrats. they couldn't get it done and he took a lot of political water on that. but republicans were willing to work with democrats on that at that issue. and the same thing under barack obama, they actually passed a bill in the senate, a bipartisan bill. the president has turned this into a totally partisan issue and i'm afraid we're never going to be able to get anything done unless one party has overwhelming control of their legislative body. >> now, reverend joe watkins,

you are a minister as well as a republican of long standing. we're going into palm sunday tomorrow. >> yeah,. >> and easter weekend and passover. we're talking about children. many of those coming across the border are children. aside from the legality question, the morality of we're going to transport children, put them in tents and have the military watch over them, i mean, it's almost like the japanese detained in world war ii. i mean, how does the evangelical community and others even stand by in silence when this is even suggested and then repeated by the president himself? >> i'm a pastor, and i have to preach tomorrow, and i have to look my parishioners in the eye and tell them to love your neighbor like yourself, treat

people like the way you want to be treated. obviously this kind of a move wouldn't be doing that. we've seen so many kids already who've been poorly treated at the border, coming across the border, maybe not legally, but certainly not treated well. i'm in favor of anything that treats people the way we want to be treated. treat them with humanity and love and kindness. you can still do it within the bounds of the law, but do it in a thoughtful, kind way, especially kids. kids above all else ought to be treated with love and kindness. >> doug, let me bring this part. we talked about the legality and the morality. but the practicality. if you are taking migrants and sending them all over the country, how do you have hearings to determine whether they are seeking asylum is right or not? how are you doing what you claim is your goal to make sure that people are here legally for

asylum and not other purposes if you're distributing all over just to punish your enemies all over the united states map? how practically could that work? >> i don't think it does and i don't think the president even thought that far. i think it was this was all a knee jerk political reaction by the president, by steven miller and others in the administration. keeping in the way in which he's conducted himself on this issue since the start of the administration and before. he's talking about right now bringing back the family separation policy that i think joe was alluding to earlier. that's disgraceful. we still have kids who've been separated from their parents for months now and they haven't been returned. some of these kids have been lost by the government. so it's a tragedy what he is doing, whether or not they came here legally or illegally, they

are children, and he seems to be much more comfortable using them as pawns in this game than actually finding a solution to the immigration problem or treating them with humanity. >> and it goes into, joe, this whole us against them. anyone different. he's called mexicans names, african nations names, he called congresswoman omar distorting what she said and the fact that she's a muslim and wears hijab is something. i mean, this whole spirit of divisiveness has further polarized this country more than we've seen in a long time. we know bigotry and racism is there, but now it's being encouraged to take sides, us against them, which is dangerous and certainly not good for this country. >> i'm sad to see the polarization and i hearken for the time people on both sides of

the aisle work together. i hearken back to the days of mccain and lindsey graham working with domes fashion an agreement on immigration. that's good thing. at the end of the day, whether you're a "d" or or an "r," the whole idea is to leave it better than you found it. do what's right for them and the country and bring people together. don't divide. >> let me ask you quickly, doug, the attorney general says that we will have the redacted mueller report with an week, he said, on tuesday. so it's expected monday or tuesday of the coming week. what is the fear that many have in the democratic side of the redactions in terms of they're saying they don't want to make any public that violates grand jury testimony which a judge

could rule on, or national security, which we don't know who determines what is a national security risk. is it determined by national security people that trump appointed? and anything embarrassing. who determines that? i mean, are we going to see anything that might give us a sense that the president may not have gone over the bar of illegality but went over the bar but we are told the policy in the justice department is you couldn't indict a sitting president. i mean, what do we need to look for in this report when it is released in a redacted form? >> well, it shouldn't be redacted at all for congress. they are a coequal branch of government. it should not be redacted. congress vote overwhelmingly, unanimously to make the mueller report public and also all of the underlying documents.

even if you want to redact some of that for the public, for congress, they have every right to see the full report. so i think democrats, their concern is not so much what is and what isn't going to be redacted. they don't think anything should be redacted when they see it, when congress sees it. it's not just about trump. you know, the russians attacked us in the 2016 election. and there's a lot of information, i think, in there that would be very helpful to chairmen in both the senate and house to protect us moving forward in 2020. and i would just hope that congress at least has an opportunity to see a full, complete report. if there's a decision to be made to redact certain aspects of it for the public, okay, they can do that. but the congress has every right to see this whole thing. >> at least the intelligence committees of the senate and the house should be able to see it. i'm going to have to hold it a

minute, doug and joe, you're staying for more. i might note that doug wore a tuxedo. >> i just got to keep up with you, rev. >> right. coming up first, though, white supremacy and racist violence is up, and i think i know why. be right back.

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some hateful ideological rhetoric that originally in the united states is used to inspire terror worldwide. unfortunately, anatomy when decisive leadership is needed, the president's rhetoric fans the flames with language that, whether intentional or not, they motivate an embolden white supremacist movements. we only need to look at the perpetrators to see. >> if there's been one constructive thing to come out of trump era, it's the current out of it on white supremacy as a national and global security threat as racist violence from kentucky to christchurch, new zealand, seems to have gal

vinized everyone, and the president recently downgrading the federal response to domestic terror while continuing to push for a racist border wall that would not have stopped a young woman from being run over and killed by neo-nazis in virginia in 2017. those 12 jewish worshippers from being shot to death by a racist in pittsburgh last year, or most recently those three black churches in louisiana that authorities suspect were burned down by the white son of a local sheriff's deputy. in other words, folks, the enemy is already here and getting help from the top. joining me now is frank figliuzzi, former assistant director for counterintelligence, and now national security analyst for msnbc, and kristin clark, president of the lawyers

committee for civil rights under the law. frank, let me go to you first. they have recently downgraded domestic terrorism. when you look at the attacks, three black churches in louisiana, the 11 members of the jewish community, jewish faith, killed in the synagogue, if that's not terrorism, what is? and any number of those statistics released show there's an increase in hate crime. how does this administration justify downgrading domestic terrorism in our intelligence department? >> well, i can tell you it's certainly not adjustable on any data set that we're aware of. we have to look to other motivations on this downgrade. you're right. the fbi has noted a 17% increase in hate crime just in the one year between 2016 and 2017. so the administration's going in

the opposite direction of the facts, and even more so, rev, we got to make a comparison here to radical extremists online and compare that to what the president is saying verbally, what he's messaging through his administration, and i see, having worked terrorism during my career, i see an analogy here between radicalization in the islamic movement and what we're seeing domestically and even globally. so the church burnings in louisiana raise a question for all of us, which is, does the fbi have the tools and resources it needs for domestic terrorism? i'm here to tell you legislation does not yet equip the fbi prominently. if you want to continue the comparison, with international terrorist groups. >> wow. >> we don't have an analogous domestic terrorism law that allows the fbi to say you're

advocating violence on a domestic level and we need to treaty you like a terrorist organization. >> kristin, look at some numbers. we saw a 30% rise in the number of hate groups since president trump took office. that's from the southern posvery law center, and a 50% spike in the number of white nationalist groups last year. in the 17 years since the 9/11 attack, domestic extremism has killed more americans at home than islamic terror by a factor of nearly 4 to 1. yet we're seeing the downgrading of looking into these matters. you testified this week before the house judiciary committee. what was the crux of what you were trying to say in how you were dealing with this messaging online? >> first of all, i'm glad that congress is bringing attention to and shining a light on the crisis we face in the country

right now. no doubt hate crimes are on the rise and we are seeing white nationalist groups proliferating across the country because they are embold understaened by the from the white house and this administration. we have seen the president use racial expletives to refer to people from african-american and caribbean countries. there's the muslim ban, and there's policies that take aim at black and brown people in an intentional way. what i sought to explain to congress is that they need to step up. we do need more tools in our arsenal to fight back against the hate that we're up against today. we need congress to put in place laws that can allow us to, for example, hold the tech sector accountable for the ways they feed into this crisis.

a lot of these white supremacists are not getting together at the local coffee shop. they are getting together online. they're going to places like facebook and other online performs to organize hate rallies, to target minority communities, to recruit new members. and so it's really important that we think about how do we hold the tech sector accountable for the ways in which they're feeding into this crisis that we're up against? >> frank, what can government do and what should they do around making sure that the tech companies do not continue to be an avenue for this kind of hate that is turning into actual violence with an increase in the numbers of victims? >> yeah. it's time for congress to not just cross their fingers and hope for the best out of silicon valley. they've proven they're unable to handle this without adult

supervision. they're driven by profit and their algorithms. and you lie like the idea they're suggesting people we should friend or we might want to think about joining this group. well, guess what, those same algorithms apply for people who are involved in hate and hate speech and we're finding on the international terrorism side that the algorithms actually introduce terrorists to like-minded terrorists. and so congress needs to get everybody together and say the algorithms need to be tweaked so that there's a filter for hate, violence and hate speech and congress needs ask law enforcement, do you have what you need to get the job done? right now the answer is no. >> now, christian, i think frank touched on what i wanted to ask you because you're a lawyer and a very good one at that. we are not talking about free speech. we're talking about domestic terrorism. how do we distinguish the two

and remain the only owithin the of the law. but we've got to be able to deal with this tech companies so they don't become the place where you park to organize actual violent attacks on people based on their race, gender, sexual orientation, or religion. >> you know, the first amendment are a bedrock feature of our democracy, and that's not what we're talking about when we west palm beach bitter, brutal hate crimes that are on the rise. we're talking about inciting violence, white nationalists who are out there abusing online platforms to target communities. we represented a woman at an american university elected school president. shortly after that the daily stormer and its publisher instructed their followers to target this woman relentlessly.

they hung banana peels and nooses around campus and they published her personal information online. most strikingly, they encouraged and told people to go out and harm her. that is no protected under the first amendment. this is the kind of conduct that's feeding into the crisis that we're up against. we need this justice department to start doing its part. it needs to put more resources into the fight against hate crimes. we need congress to play a role here as well and think about the new laws that they can put on the books to beat back against this crisis. most importantly, we need to stand up for the victims and the communities that are on the receiving end of this hate, whether you're talking about the churches burning in louisiana, the nine people who were killed while worshiping in charleston, those who were mowed down at a synagogue in pittsburgh, it's

time that all americans wake-up and figure out what we can do to beat back this crisis. >> frank, let me ask you. i'm out of time, but i must ask, have you heard out of this president or this attorney general or approximate preceding attorney general under this president the kind of language and the kind of call to arms in this country to beat back this kind of bigotry that demonstrates itself in actual violence? >> quite the opposite. what i've heard is the kind of messaging that enables and facilitates and emboldens people. we're not seeing it. >> thank you, frank figliuzzi and kristin clark. coming up, the trump administration wants to end affirmative action. one texas university is playing along. i'll explain next.

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mayor pete buttigieg of south bend, indiana, senators elizabeth warren and kamala harris round out the top five. but with me, two political strategist, democrat doug thornell on the left, republican jo watkins on the right. doug, a lot of democrats in the race now 15, 16. how do you explain the rise of pete buttigieg, because even at our national action network convention last week, he was very well received by the time he finished, and that was not his let's say hometown crowd. he's now polling number three in iowa and new hampshire. how do you explain this and how do you see us narrowing down the actual people that will finish this race? i don't think 14, 15, or 16 people will be in for the whole

ride. >> well, mayor pete has taken advantage of every moment that he has had on the public stage. he had a great town hall on another network. he's done "morning joe," he was at national action network. and the reviews are very positive, and that helped him out a lot. he's created a lot of buzz during his campaigning in iowa and new hampshire. he had a very strong fundraising quarter. as we he raised $7 million, which is more than a number of senators, including cory booker. i think he had close to 100,000 donors there as well. he's got a lot of charisma and he has a good background. he's a mayor, albeit of a small city, but he has that executive experience. he fought in the afghanistan war. he's a veteran. rhodes scholar. so he brings a lot of things to the table. the question, i think, is is this enduring? does this last? and how does he do when joe

biden gets in the race, which i expect will be pretty soon, and then the deities are going to be really important for all these candidates. >> joe, what are you hearing? let me ask it that way, from republicans, that they feel is the candidate that would give the president, assuming he's the one that the republicans put up in 2020, who do they feel would give them the most trouble and possibly be able to defeat him more easily? >> i think joe biden is the strongest candidate. he's somebody who is well-known. he was president obama's vice president, but he was well known along before that. he has a long track record as somebody in politics. and he's well regarded, not only by democrats but by many republicans. so i think joe biden probably has the most credibility as a candidate that could pose a serious challenge to the president. there's others, though. i've said over and over that kamala harris is very, very

strong. she's doing extraordinarily well. >> another one that's not necessarily just impressing her home base, but have been able to go out. let me ask you this, doug, and i have to go. you have been a democratic strategist and have been very good at it. do you feel that in these debates that you mentioned that we're going to see some of the democrats start turning on each other? or are they going to stay on policy and say that the real objective is defeat the president? >> well, look, i think you will see democrats trying to draw contrast, first and foremost with donald trump. it's going to in the first couple debates it'll be less combative. but it will get there when you're scrapping for votes in iowa and new hampshire and south carolina, you got to make it clear to the voters that there's a choice. and so i expect that all these candidates, particularly the

ones who are remaining and on the debate stage, will eventually draw contrasts with each other. they have to. you got to make it clear to voters what the choices are. >> all right. i'll have to leave it there. thank you, doug thornell and joe watkins. up next, history knows them as civil rights leaders and icons, but what about the parents behind the legends? we'll ask three phenomenal women about the fear and the pride that comes growing up as daughters of the movement. stay with us. but some give their clients cookie cutter portfolios. fisher investments tailors portfolios to your goals and needs. some only call when they have something to sell. fisher calls regularly so you stay informed. and while some advisors are happy to earn commissions whether you do well or not. fisher investments fees are structured so we do better when you do better. maybe that's why most of our clients come from other money managers. fisher investments. clearly better money management.

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at participating john deere dealers. . last week we marked the 51st anniversary of the anniversary of reverend dr. martin luther king jr. assassination. he had three young children at the time of his death, who i'm honored to have gotten to know over the years. he had four children. as i live my own activist life, being defamed in the news, risking death and even being stabbed in the chest with two

school age daughters of my own. i myself have come more fully to appreciate the sacrifices the movement retirquires, not just me, but of those born into it, far too young to make that decision themselves. joining me now, i'm proud to say, my daughter, dominique sharpton wright who has become national director of national action network along with her acting career. dr. muhammad, and the one and only gina belafonte, daughter of activist and entertainer harry belafonte. let me start with you, gina. your dad was an activist as long as any of us can remember. and he did it because he believed that he didn't have to. he was a top-level, grade a

entertainer, yet he worked with paul robeson and dr. king and conversed with malcolm x, at great risk to his career and at great risk to his own safety. you were born into this. what burden did it put on you? i know that some of your contemporaries can see you at an opening of a concert or play or musical, but they didn't know the downside of being harry belafonte's daughter >> right. absolutely. first of all, thank you so much for having us on the show. hey, dom, i'm so happy to be here with my sisters to talk about these sort of inside scoops and issues in our lives. yeah, you know, my father was an activist before he became a performer. it was something innate in his nature, something he learned from his family, his mother in particular. being an activist and being on the front lines or taking on such kinds of issues was not

foreign to him. as his fame grew, of course, the risk grew greater. and being born into that at a young i do a we weren't so aware of it until certain threats came upon our family that even at a young age we weren't quite clear what was going on, but there was this tension, there was this kind of worry and fear. >> you could feel the tension and the fear even though you didn't understand exactly what was going on? >> that's right. and there were bomb threats, there were times when we were on planes when we had to get off the plane and then get back on. there was a lot of questions asked. i have to say my mother played a huge role in supporting us and calming us and making sure that we all were very clear and understood what was going on and our safety came first. but i remember times when i would sit in the audience and watch my father perform and be mesmerized by what was going on, and all of a sudden something would come over me where i felt

like i had to look around and check just to see if there was a sniper or somebody who wanted to do something, a violent act. so you're not thinking about it all the time, but there are these waves and moments when it would overcome me. >> your father and mother were activists as well as admired actors in their field. they never stopped -- i mean, in my own activist life, both harry belafonte and ruby d were major influences since i was a teenager joining the movement. and yet they never stopped, even after ozzy passed. and you and your siblings had to grow up in the shadow of this. what was the response when some of your school mates and contemporaries in the neighborhood found out you were ozzy and ruby's daughter, and

how did they react to thetism that may not have been popular at the time? >> we had a life growing up that was extraordinary as well as ordinary, and our close friends now dominique, i know when you were very young, when i led the march against the racial killing in bensonhurst, when they brought me in the hospital first thing i said was turn off all of the news, i don't want you to see hi been stabbed, and, of

course, ashley your sister. a few days later a baby sitter did know and was reading the jet magazine. you saw it and fell out, you had an asthma attack and actually stayed in the hospital longer than i did. so i don't think people understand that young women like you, like those that have formed the daughters of the movement like daugherty's daughter and granddaughters have to grow up in the atmosphere you did not choose and it's dangerous. >> yeah, and from an early age you're actually put into this situation not understanding the emotional trials and all that comes along with it. i remember on countless occasions having to visit you in jail. those type of things does something to a young girl. but you learn to persevere and

you learn from an early age i'm literally sharing my dad with the world. that's what i feel is one of my greatest gifts, that i get to share my dad with the world but also understanding that this work in particular is not something that is passed through generations, it's not something that's inherited. it's something you work for, that you have to be committed to. and growing up if an early age you get that, you get the gist of what that actually means. >> because i didn't want either one of you to be activists and both of did you it. >> that's right. >> let me ask you, was there any time, jeannie, in your life you wish you weren't harry belafonte's daughter? >> no. >> he maying watchi be watching >> no. i feel so blessed and all in the spirituality thinking of my life say i'm really glad i chose both of my parents and i feel they both have given such a great

gift to me. the road that they've paved, the challenges that they've come up against, the choices that they made in persevering through those challenges, i feel is a great, great gift. i'm honored and grateful to be the daughter of both of them. >> what about you, hannah? >> oh, absolutely. my brother and sister and i work every day to remain worthy of the blessing that's been brought upon us. we have had the opportunity to live in the lives of extraordinary people. and we're grateful for that. very grateful. >> dominique, you kind of shared your acting career with being an activist, even though i didn't want you to be an activist. >> i call myself an art-ivest. but you gave me the biggest award i have ever got in my life. >> oh, yeah. >> tell us about it.

>> almost four months ago now i had a baby boy, marcus al sharpton bright w. my husband marcus bright -- oh, he's here! look at him. >> yes, his tv debut. >> hi marcus al. >> i showed his picture but i'm -- you didn't know i was going to make him come out. i want to show everybody. you want to stay and do the closing with me? his name is marcus al sharpton bright. do cut it short, we just call him al. thank you, dominique, hannah and gina. dominique, hannah and gina this is the story of john smith.

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yesterday over 20,000 people packed the staples center in los angeles for the funeral services and celebration of life of rapper nipsey hussle. and the long procession all the way back to where he not only grew up but came back and opened businesses and supported students getting educated and planted his worth, planted the things, the resources, the moneys he made back in the community he came from. he was killed in a vicious murder right in front of a store he opened, right in the neighborhood he came from. there are many things that one will remember about nipsey, including his music, and there are many things i'm sure people

will say for years to come. but one thing about his legacy, just one, that i will always raise is that we challenged many in the music world, even in the rap world specifically, to do positive things, to not promote negativism. no one symbolized and personified that more than nipsey hussle. and the reason it hurts all of us that he was taken from us is he was exactly what we needed, someone that mastered an art form but also used it to help master his community. it's too bad he was taken when he was taken and how he was taken. but i'm glad we had him and he set an example and showed others in his art that you need to go home. it may be dangerous but it's even more dangerous not to go home and help turn some of these young folks around, like

somebody did for you. that does it for me. thank you for watching. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. eastern for a new live edition of "politicsnation." up next, "deadline: white house" with my friend and colleague, nicolle wallace. hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in florida. we're on the road this afternoon when donald trump said he wanted to get tougher on immigration, many of us openly wondered what could possibly be tougher than separating families and putting children in cages. today we may have gotten our answer from the president's twitter feed, quote, due to the fact that democrats are unwilling to change our dangerous immigration laws we are indeed as reported giving strong considerations to placing illegal immigrants in sanctuary cities only. the radical left has an open borders, open ol