that i say, i will always listen that they didn't maybe understand, but, yeah, they've got to get behind these women and i will acknowledge your and they have to do it by name and do it relentlessly. pain. it's the same that i expect. so when you have people on fox >> the irony is that this is the news that question whether i am president who said there were actually american or i put some fine people on both sides america first, i expect my of a rally by people who were colleagues to also say that's not okay. spouting neo nazi troupes, jews they actually said that i might will not replace us. not be an american. so they've been criticized for my loyalties might not be to supporting that kind of thing. this country. >> yes. >> and they're trying to do both and they're also now sort of but i get called out, they making this overtour to the don't. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." jewish community at the same time. since the day the democrats took >> i guess that's what it is. i don't even think they care if over the house of they pick up jewish votes. representatives and the right remember one of the signature wing media have incessantly, lies of his campaign was he saw actually obsessively attacked thousands of muslims celebrating in jersey city. the new democratic congress women, many of whom are women of that was literally what he campaigned on in 2016. so he seems to be circling back color. for his reelection campaign to representative ee land omar of immigrants and muslims and it's minnesota has been bearing the just, quick point, this is just brunt of those attacks by donald all -- there's no context. trump took to an ugly new low when the republican party last tweeting out a video of omar did this ugly islamaphobia interspersed with videos from stuff, there was an iraq war,

the 9/11 terror attacks. omar has taken the high ground, they were moved in middle east responding in a series of tweets conflicts, there's nothing like that, it's simply because she's including this one, no one muslim. >> i disagree on this point person no matter how wrupt, inept or vicious can threaten my because this is something that the right wing has used over and over again. we've seen them weaponize unwavering love for america. thank you for standing with me against an administration that islamaphobia. i wrote a piece of it in 2010 so ran on banning muslims from this pretty much nine years ago and country to fight for the america it was actually titled we all deserve. "islamaphobia, the weapon of though some of omar's colleagues choice for the midterm elections." you saw that here in new york in congress have condemned the city when they were trying to -- >> 9/11. attacks on her pointing out that those attacks put her in danger, >> they termed it the ground zero mosque which was a ymca for some democrats are taking party muslims, just because it was a leadership to task for not couple blocks away from the standing strongly enough behind world trade center site they the congresswoman and not deemed it the ground zero consistently backing the mosque, there were intense protests, i went down and freshmen who find themselves covered the protests and under constant fire. actually heard people saying democratic congresswoman rashida anti-muslim stuff right to my face which is always fascinating tlaib tweeted on saturday, they in and of itself. put us in photos when they want that was their way to galvanize to show our party is diverse, their base during the midterms and worked for them during that however, when we ask to be at the table or speak up about point and you saw it worked for issues that impact who we are, trump in 2016 when he openly what we fight for and why we ran said that he wanted a total and in the first place we are complete shutdown of muslims ignored. to truly honor our diversity is entering the country. >> this at a time when the

to never silence us. joining me now is the democratic statistics for those who keep representative rashida tlaib of michigan. stats on extremism find that the congresswoman, thank you for biggest threat to people's being here this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> before i get to your safety in the country right now is white supremacist violence, criticisms of the ways in which some in leadership have 78%. if you look at the chart that we've got here, the dark blue responded to what's happening to part on this pie chart of how ilhan omar i want to ask you much in 2018 violence and because it feels like the extremism came from which freshman class of this new segment, 78% from white democratic house has been under intense fire from some on the supremacy, 16% anti-government right, but it has been extremism. what you you will call in cell particularly acute surrounding representative omar, yourself extremism 4% which is and alexandria ocasio-cortez. misogynistic extremism and 2% why do you think that is about? >> you know, i think it's about from islamic extremism. it's not clear that this government is acting against the the fact that we are extremely real threat, they're still different from what people focused on the muslim community. expect -- or have seen in the past in members of congress. >> that's absolutely true. islamaphobia when you actually we are not your traditional look at when it spikes, it's around election season. polished politicians. it's around the drum up to war. we are community organizers, we are being manipulated. sometimes i call us the truth

squad. when we see injustice we speak islamaphobia is being weaponized not just against muslims but up. we don't do the whole is this against the american people to politically correct. play us, to weaponize -- to we always think about it is it the right thing to do at this manipulate us to vote in a very moment. many of us ran not because certain way and we have to take a step back and replace fear somebody asked us to run, we ran because we felt a need for with facts and the facts are voices like ours at the table that the greatest threat to the and now that we're there i think american people when it comes to the right wing is very threatened by it. idealogically-motivated violence the fact that we -- i mean, look comes from white supremacy. >> dalia, thank you very much at ilhan omar and myself, we did for your time, nitta and eric not get elected in communities that share the same faith as we will be back in our next hour. do, we got elected by americans coming up, donald trump that are not muslim. the majority not being of muslim really, really, really does not want you to see the phillip mena. faith. that's next. p nt you to see the philli mena that alone tells you that our that's next. country is actually at a different moment than what the president is spewing out from his twitter account. >> in fact, you sit in the seat that john conyers once held, including parts of western detroit. let's talk about that. naysayer said no one would subscribe to a car particularly regarding ilhan omar and yourself, you are the the way they subscribe to movies. we don't follow the naysayers. first muslim women to be members ♪ ♪ of congress, which might be a bit embarrassinger for the

country 2019, it took that long to happen. rheumatoid arthritis or psoriatic arthritis. when president obama was the first black president there was when considering another treatment, this huge backlash. ask about xeljanz xr did you expect the kind of backlash around your palestinian a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe idea i will, around ilhan omar's rheumatoid arthritis or active psoriatic arthritis muslim identity? did you expect that? >> you know what's profound for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. about it is the fact that we did it can reduce pain, swelling, get this elected in this time and significantly improve physical function. after the muslim ban. i mean, again, i want people to xeljanz xr can lower your ability see a bit of hope and light in to fight infections, including tuberculosis. the moment of darkness right now in our country that women like serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, us got elected even though the including lymphoma, have happened. president of the united states as have tears in the stomach or intestines, not once, twice, but three times banning muslims from entering serious allergic reactions, low blood cell counts, this country. higher liver tests and cholesterol levels. two american muslim women that don't start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. are uniquely different, me being your doctor should perform blood tests before palestinian, her being a former and while taking xeljanz xr, and monitor certain liver tests. refugee from somalia, this is an tell your doctor if you've been somewhere fungal infections incredible i think historic moment that our election in are common and if you have had tb, hepatitis b or c, itself speaks volumes of where -- how disconnected this or are prone to infections. current administration is with don't let another morning go by without asking your doctor

the american people. >> what i do -- you know, what i about xeljanz xr am taken aback by is the institution we're in. i told somebody, you know, i feel more palestinian in congress than i do when i visit my grandmother in palestine. that alone, you know, this sense of identity, you know, being at the forefront when, you know, ilhan omar and myself, alexandria, so many women, incredible women, we were standing up in our communities and organizing our communities around economic justice issues, myself around environmental justice issues. so for us this was continuing our, you know, giving back to the community that raised us and for so many in congress i think it's, you know, both sides, i think they are just kind of taken aback like, wow, this he got elected. yeah, we did. we did because we outwork hate, you might or joints.hing for your heart... but we also know that our but do you take something for your brain. neighbors, the communities that with an ingredient originally discovered in jellyfish, we are growing -- raising our children in, myself and i will prevagen has been shown in clinical trials to improve short-term memory.

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colleagues, you know, this is a tremendous opportunity for all of you that now a sitting member of congress has a living grandmother in the west bank in palestine who, you know -- you know, the direct connection that i have with my family there. that this is an opportunity to hear a side of the story, a side of this critical issue that they've never heard before. and for them to take up that opportunity. take that as a way to maybe seeing the issue around the 21-year-old son of a palestinian human rights in a different light. this is a tremendous opportunity sheriff's deputy has been for many of my colleagues on arrested and charged with both sides of the aisle to setting fire to three really try to understand the historically black churches in louisiana. the fires had all been set within ten days of each other, plight of palestinians in a way prosecutors say they're they haven't heard before. investigating whether racial bias was a motivation for the i hope they take that offer. i'm there, i have an open door crimes. policy. coming up, bill barr says he anybody have any questions about this issue or even want to learn will release the redacted more about my grandmother and mueller report this week. her struggles in the west bank, okay. we will be waiting. week okay we will be waiting you know, this is the chance to really understand that from a fellow colleague that they never got access to in the past. >> your criticisms have been picked up -- of leadership have

been picked up of course from the right. here is kellyanne conway on "meet the press" this morning i guess in a way trying to take up for you. listen to what she had to say. >> congresswoman rashida tlaib tweeted she is so tired -- they are so tired of being used to show that the party is diverse and they can't get a seat at the table, can't get their policy issues forward, something that was retweeted by congresswoman ilhan omar. if she wants to fix immigration she can come. >> what was that? did you take that as sincere support or what did you think that was that she was doing? >> honestly, it's hard to take anything from someone who supported the muslim ban sincere. i can tell you that was my way to open up a conversation that i think needs to be had with the whole chamber, the whole institution. you know, i always feel, you know, that we need to be heard more, that we need to not only just be seen, but really heard and i think having a true seat

at the table to talk about some of these issues that directly impact muslim americans, people of color, i think is really important. and that was my way of saying, you know, we're here and we want you all to use this as a tremendous opportunity to talk about, you know, maybe getting the muslim ban out of the house, getting 100% support from democratic colleagues on the muslim ban, really take an initiative to push back against this because in ten years we don't want an apology. that's not enough. we want to know that when we look back that our leadership in congress took a strong stance against something that was so unamerican. we've done this before in the past and we always come back saying, we wish we never did that. we're kind of tired of taking that approach. now you have two colleagues that can lead that fight and can show to the united states of america we are all americans, you know, we don't even need to be always saying that. that's what's even more

frustrating. there is close to 3 million american muslims, the majority being african-american. if anything these attacks on i will hand is going to drive us to the polls in 2020 and mr. president needs to know that. i mean, this is going to drive more people it know the importance of their voice through election and through voting and that's something that i hope our presence in congress and ilhan and myself and many of the women this color in congress now that we're going to drive more people out to the polls because now they have someone that they can relate torques someone who speaks at their issues in a way that's authentic and real. >> and somebody that has power. you are sitting on a very important committee. you are on the house oversight committee, elijah cummings is the chairman of that committee, yourself, alexandria ocasio-cortez and yourself. what do you think that the house can actually do to hold the id i think a lot of americans are frustrate that had that they

know the democrats have some power because democrats hold the house. what do you think can actually be done to create accountability? >> i mean, they have to take up by resolution that literally looks at and into an investigation into impeachable offenses after he took the oath of office. you know, what's so frustrating is that the committee process is where we can have a transparent public hearing about, you know, this upgraded pay to play. do you believe that william you have a president, the first barr if he does not release the ever in history, that hasn't divested in his business foreign mueller report as subpoenaed potentially by congress if he and domestic businesses. does not tell the american basically a sitting ceo out of people fully what's in it, the oval office. should he face sanction, potentially impeachment? >> look, i believe very strongly the fact that he is having people go into the trump poe the report should be released and we should take action as the tell to get access to the corridor of power. united states senate in a even t-mobile who is trying to bipartisan fashion to ensure merge with sprint right now, that's done. >> do you think that means huge impact on working families, subpoenas? >> i'm going to wait, i will going to continue to press for they spent close to $200,000 at transparency, the american people deserve that. his trump hotel and in the same >> senator and presidential candidate cory booker told me he breath that they are lobbying has his doubts over how the federal government to approve their merger. forthcoming attorney general william barr will be when he

this is what's happening. releases his redacted version of while the president keeps the mueller report which barr distracting us with his fear has said would come sometime this he can would. there are length wing questions mongering tactics and hate about how much of the report rhetoric the fact of the matter we'll see, the public will see, is anti-corrupt laws within our and how much we can really trust united states institution is william barr, especially after being violated by this lawless he backed up his unproven president and we need to speak truth. we need to have what i call the conspiracy theory that federal truth committee, the authorities spied on the trump accountability committee, this oversight committee to really campaign. >> i think spying on a political dig into this and show this because, if anything, we at campaign is a big deal. least put notice on to any other it's a big deal. ceo that wants to run for >> so you are not -- you are not president that we're going to suggesting, though, that spying hold you accountable to the united states institution. occurred. >> well, i guess you could -- i you will not take money through your businesses while you're think spying did occur, yes, i sitting in the oval office think spying did occur. making decisions about our the question is whether it was healthcare, making decisions about immigration reform, making predicated, adequately decisions about our quality of predicated and i'm not life every single day. suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated but i would need to that's how our democracy gets explore that. >> joining me now is medwin corrupted is when we don't hold the president of the united states the most powerful position in this world charles, paul butler and former accountable to the law of the land which is the united states assistant watergate prosecutor constitution. this is a slippery slope and jill wine-banks. it's going to set a press sent thank you for being with us. that we're going to look the

other way. well, congress can't look the midwin you have been a resident other way. speck tick of whether or not too many people are getting hurt bill barr is going to release by us allowing it to continue. >> just to circle back before we the report and in what form, this is a quote from "politico" lose you because we are running out of time, to go back just for that says that the trump side may be popping the champagne a moment to the ilhan omar corks a little bit early assuming that either he will situation, sarah huckab huck a never release anything or that whatever he releases will be sanders is saying the president great for trump. meant her no ill will and with as not inciting violence against this says the following even as more than a dozen trump aides her. do you believe the president is and associates professed putting representative omar's confidence that the report would life in danger with his comments? inflict little new damage on a >> no question. no question is he inciting president they say has been violence towards muslims, not even only ilhan omar, but muslim exonerated by barr some allies americans in this country. i share this to all minus limbs say the trump what he is is in for a rude awakening. who are listening to this, americans, register to vote, a, is it your instinct that vote in 2020, show them the whatever is in the barr report peaceful revolution that we can even if it's full of black create to push back against this marked redactions, will be worse kind of hate. i want to see 30, 40, 50 percent for trump than expected and will it even matter because barr has increases of muslim americans already come out and said, hey, voting. majority of them are i exonerate this guy? african-americans they share the >> i think it will be worse for same skin color as ilhan omar. trump otherwise we would have seen it already, otherwise we what he did was put more of us wouldn't have so much pomp and in jeopardy.

hate crime was increased under circumstance with trying to keep it from the american public. his leadership towards muslim if this report truly did americans and we need to speak exonerate donald trump like i up and the way we can sure always said, you know, it would we have as many people of color have been posted on the coming out to the polls so that internet, it would have been we can send a clear, clear handed out at bus stops and train stops. >> right. >> it would have been anywhere. so the idea that you see so much answer to this type of hate in our country. effort and energy being put into we must have it stop. not releasing it to the public i too many of our young children think makes it clear that it's going to be damaging, but secondly i want to point out are seeing this, too many are getting bullied in school, too during the clip that you played many people at workplaces are in the opening where, you know, getting discriminated against and it needs to stop. bill barr said that he believed we've seen this over and over that spying went on, and he just again with other people of color has to figure out to what level, and i can tell you, if anything, i think that that's one of the most damaging things that you this country is not divide, could ever have an attorney we're disconnected. general say, only because if anything, let this hateful typically when you have this president connect us on the sort of surveillance happening, issue around justice and right, so that's the proper equality and the issue around term. it's usually because it is that we will not allow hate to fester within our federal predicated upon information that the government has received. government, within the >> right. leadership from the white house. >> that someone is doing we need to speak up and the way something completely wrong and we can do it is by outvoting they need for surveyed. so the idea that he would use them every single election. spying terminology that donald >> rashida tlaib, this is trump and many of us supporters obviously very personal to you have used is very, very

and, you know, we certainly hope that you are safe, that ilhan dangerous. >> i mean, paul butler, you have a head line in "politico" that omar is safe and that hopefully the leadership is doing enough nunez -- that barr is had you to protect you both and you're hadden with devin nunes. right because it is about the broader muslim community that is under attack and you are the face of it, the two of you. if william barr is had you hadden with devin nunes whose it's a much bigger community, a prime directive in life seems to much bigger issue. i really appreciate you being be to exonerate donald trump, is here this morning. thank you so much. every day, visionaries are creating the future. it even shocking that he's picking up trump's spying memes? >> no, not at all. we know that bill barr exonerated donald trump before he was attorney general. that's how he got the job, by saying that trump couldn't be guilty of obstruction of justice, then he went on, barr did, to do what in two days what mueller couldn't do in two years which is to exonerate the president of obstruction of justice. so i don't think that the american people will receive a so, every day, report from barr that they we put our latest technology should have confidence in. and unrivaled network to work. he says that he's not going to the united states postal service makes more release anything that has to do e-commerce deliveries to homes with grand jury information or

than anyone else in the country. national security or ongoing law enforcement investigations or private information about third parties. by the time he's finished scrubbing there might not be anything left of the mueller report. you know, bill barr is the attorney general of donald trump's fantasies. donald trump lost his lawyer fixer when michael cohen decided to come clean. donald trump has found a new lawyer fixer in attorney general bill barr. >> yeah, and, jill wine-banks, having gone through the watergate process could you have imagined an attorney general going this far to the point of the two previous guests already tainting the jury pool so much by himself exonerating donald trump that how can we have any confidence in whatever it is that he releases that he won't just black out all the bad parts and only let people see the words pieced together that sound like donald trump is amazing? >> good point, joy. two things, one, of course,

during watergate the attorney general ended up in jail because hi, what's this social security alert? it's a free alert if we find your social he was part of not only the security number on the dark web. coverup, but he was part of good, cuz i'm a little worried about planning the break-in. my information getting out. why's that? so we have that precedent for [bird speaking] my social is 8- 7- 5 dash okay, i see. [bird laughing] how attorneys general behave. somebody thinks it's hilarious. but i think one of the scariest free social security alerts from discover. things about what barr said on the spying issue is not just what he said, but that he prejudged the outcome. he said he was going to investigate, but that he already believed that spying had occurred. >> right. >> so that's a really terrible thing. if you're going to investigate you have to have an open mind and look for evidence on both sides. that does not seem to be in the purview of the attorney general right now. he knows the outcome he wants, in the same way he displayed in his 19-page memo saying he can't somebody thinks it's hilarious. did you know comcast business goes beyond fast be indicted for obstruction with a gig-speed network. because he can no obstruct because he is the president and complete internet reliability. that's just legally and advanced voice solutions. factually wrong. with he need to look at the facts. wifi to keep everyone connected. >> i mean, this is the history video monitoring. that's huge. of william barr. he has been very consistent to did you guys know we did all this stuff?

no. i'm not even done yet. be honest. wow. he had -- you know, with business tv. cloud apps and support. iran-contra and iraq-gate as comcast business goes beyond at&t. they called it and he's consistent in protecting start with internet and voice for just $59.90 a month. republican presidents. it's not like it's out of it's everything a small business owner needs. character behavior, but he is prejudging both of these things. comcast business. he said i already know the beyond fast. mueller investigation is bunk and then he said, oh, there's nothing here. and then he said, oh, i already know there's spying, i'm going to investigate t that's the idea of investigating the previous administration for doing the job of national security. that's actually frightening. >> right, and ironically that is the accusation that was made against mueller and his investigators which is that they had already made a determination as to the outcome and that's why you had sort of donald trump every single day something historical moments with all these tweets about how, you know, the fix was in, it's rigged. so it's interesting to see that on the one hand the very person who was supposed to be, you many of us ran not because know, representing donald trump here, right, because it's somebody asked us to run, we ran abundantly clear i think from the hearing that we saw that because we felt a need for william barr apparently seems to

voices like ours at the table be acting as though he is donald and now that we're there, i trump's personal defense attorney, rather than the think the right wing is very threatened by it. attorney general for the united the fact that we -- i mean, look states of america. for us. at ilhan omar and myself, we did for the people. not get elected in communities >> let's play jerry nadler, the that are predominantly that share the same faith as we do, house judiciary chair on that we got elected by americans that are not muslim. very point on cnn this morning. the majority not being of muslim >> the attorney general when he faith. that alone tells you that our started talking completely without evidence as he said country is actually at a about spying on the -- on the -- different moment than what the president is spewing out from his twitter account. on the trump campaign, what he >> democratic congresswoman rashida tlaib stands by her meant was executing jude colleague representative ilhan omar who has been the focus of threats over remarks she made shael-ordered warrants, showed his bias and the fact that he's about 9/11 and muslim civil rights and civil liberties. really acting as a personal let's bring in our panel. agent to the president rather than as the attorney general of joining me now mila khan, eric the united states in this matter. bowler and dalia mogahead. >> paul butler, if that's true donald trump has said lock her up about hillary clinton, he has said the people who he get haved i want to get all of your him for potentially being an reactions and dalia, you are at agent of a foreign power are a disadvantage, you are not here at the table with us, i want to treasonous. should we expect william barr to get your reaction first. at the end the congresswoman was act on those donald trump memes quite emotional, she is a woman, and investigate democrats and former members of the obama

she is, you know, raising two organization per donald trump's sons and so when someone is orders? threatening members of your >> you know, the thing that trump always said falsely about community it's very personal. she's out there, you know, she eric holder is that he was a is a woman, she is out there on great attorney general because he protected obama. her own as well as ilhan. can you just talk about how that's not true about eric those threats to those women holder, but it does seem to be impact you and your community? true about bill barr. with regard to this spying, the >> thank you so much, joy. attorney general has to know i think rashida is speaking for better. this is about carter page who so many of us in our -- in our was concerned -- the fbi had rage, in our fear, in our grave concern that he might be a russian intelligence agent so they had to investigate. they had to go through the confusion how this is happening highest levels of the justice department to get approval and then through a federal court. in 2019 when these threats are so he knows it's not spying. he's spouting off fox news happening in our communities, against us, it impacts women and talking points. and then putting the good name children predominantly. of the justice department behind it means our children are being this paranoia, he knows better bullied, it means our mosques than this. >> yeah. yeah. theres a name for that kind of aren't safe, and we have seen government, begins with an "a" that this kind of rhetoric gives and ends with otocracy. oxygen to violence. coming up, round two on the this is not paranoia, this is documented facts. democrats push to get donald trump's taxes. two on the but i think we have to take a democrats push to get donald trump's taxes.

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you on that as well because the thing that ilhan omar has done and that rashida tlaib has done, but really ilhan omar has taken the lead on it is presenting a different side of the story regarding the palestinian-israeli story from the point of view of muslims which we don't hear that much in the media, that we don't necessarily present that. they are humanizing an issue in an age of increased islamaphobia post 9/11, in a party that isn't necessarily always comfortable with the ways that they are expressing that, and so they're fighting to even feel completely supported by their own leadership. >> absolutely, you see that both -- you know, rashida first i want to say was absolutely fantastic and when she said -- and she did get emotional because this is a very serious issue for the mug limb community. like this rise in hate crimes is not imagined, it's very real according to the fbi's own stats, you know, this is the third year in a row that hate

crimes have been on the rise for many communities including, of course, the muslim community. remember, those stats are actually low balled because police departments and jurisdictions are not required to report those stats to the federal government and there's always an apprehension sometimes, there may be a language barrier to report those crimes and things like that so those figures are lower. that being said, you're absolutely correct, joy, that because people like ilhan, like rashida and even aoc represent such a change and such a challenge to the status quo, many people, including people in the democratic party, are having an issue with that because they're bringing another perspective to the palestinian issue, bringing things like wall street reform, livable wage and an end to endless wars, issues that aren't being discussed enough and we don't see those voices at the table, we don't hear those perspectives, that is why so many people are threatened by these young progressive women. it's not only their physical identities it's also what they stand and advocate for. on the right you see an

extremely ridiculously vile disgusting level of the hatred. this has been going on for a long time but now it's been normalized to a level that is so dangerous. >> you think about rashida tlaib one of her parents was from the -- area and one from east jerusalem. her parents, you know, legacy to her part of it and we just had an election in israel where the prime minister reelected bb netanyahu, benjamin netanyahu said outright he's going to annex the west bank. the voice of what that would mean in someone's lives would be rashida tlaib, would be ilhan omar that could speak to it. why is it so awkward for democrats to just embrace those voices fully? >> yeah, i think -- well, i don't know if they are overwhelmed by this hate campaign, i don't know if they've been caught off guard, you know, the congressman mentioned no one asked her to run, she wanted to do this.

i think this he knew they were going to face trouble and i think they knew they were going they knew they didn't and to face a republican party and a right wing media that was out of elected him, anyway, which control, but i don't think we drives the democrats crazy. thought we would see a video like this from the president of >> democrats have responded the united states. >> it's extraordinary. >> it's extraordinary. a couple i think so this, i will with -- oh, a new deadline. talk about the democrats, but that video, almost the amount of the house ways and means pornographic violence, right, they could have made that point committee now gives the i.r.s. with two or three images, i april 23rd to turn over the tax counted 16 different videos in returns, but there are already that video. >> yeah. >> videos in that. signs of continued recal trance, >> the new york tabloid owned by with steve mnuchin callinged murdoch shows a smoking image of the towers on their cover to deadline arbitrary. attack her. >> first time i thought that >> jill, midwin and i were video i thought they're going to show dead bodie new target talking about the parent sea you have to clean the room, and the kid doesn't, and now the parent says i'll give you another hour to clean the room. if donald trump violates it again, if he orders the i.r.s. commissioner or steve mnuchin says we're not doing it, what is it the democrats are going to do next?

>> i think toffee to act soon. these are filed returns, they could easily be accessed and turned over. the law is very clear. a section of the code says when asked by congress, they shall turn over -- shall mean shall, it doesn't mean we'll think about it or we can. the punishment is actually a felony, five years in jail for any employee who does not produce something that is part of his job to produce. the problem is who will enforce the penalties in this administration who says you can violate the law by closing the southern border, and i'll give you a pardon if you do it. don't worry about it. that's the danger to this

country right now. i want to go by to the spic,r, barr than criticized by true spying in a mass data collection without any targeting, without any probable cause, which is very different than having a surveillance pursuant to probable cause approved by a court. so that's an important difference. >> paul butler, sort of same to you. section 6103 of the tax code, treasury officials shall turn over the tax returns upon written request of the chair of either congressional tax economiee, donald trump said this week there is no law. he said there is no law, no law exists. his treasury are ask who answered the questions says i intend to follow the law, but they're constitutional issues.

if they simply defy this law, who's going to stop them and turn over the tax returns? >> the way the procedure should work is that the committee will then hold the treasury secretary in contempt. they go to the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia to try to get him proed, which means he has to sit in jail unit he produces the tax records or gets sentenced to a term of years. the problem is the u.s. attorney for the district of columbia is an appointee of donald trump. whether she would do what the law requires is an open question. >> and there you have it, midwin. and have ceded all the departments, and et cetera, et cetera, with his own people, all

of whom have proven that loyalty to trump is the prime directive. his experience in life is his father committed rampant hiding of taxes, and that is how they got to be rich. his sister evaded any inquiry into dodging taxes, she's retired. the experience that the trumps have had in life is they get away with whatever they don't want to do. who is going to enforce the laws, and do we even have laws? do we have a king? he need to wake up and recognize they are a coequal branch of government. they have to -- it is their job, it is their constitutional duty to hold the preside t step it u.

number one, you saw in the clip you played this guy had -- it was litigated during the -- what are you talking about? we didn't have a trial. that's litigation. we didn't have that. democrats need to step up. they need to specify why they want to see the taxes, and hold it guy in contempt. >> jill, what is we're anyone? >> a tic tac toe pin for all of the games being played by mnuchin, barr and trump, dangling pardons and everything else. >> girl, one side is playing with cards and others are saying, let's play by the rules. thank you all very much. more after the break.

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cair was founded after 9/11, because they recognized that some people did something and all of us were starting to lose unprovoked attack, killing people in the thousands? . flight 93 as well at in the world trade center? you have who wonder if she's an american first. >> wow. welcome back to "a.m. joy." now, it could come back to

haunt them after ute media outlet "new york post" posted an inflammatory post this week and we're learning that revenue could take a hit. the guardian reports that a group of 5,000 bodegas are asking their members to boycott "new york post." back with me. freelance journalist, eric bowler, jennifer rubin, opinion writer for "the washington post," and dhaerl pierce, writer at large for "esquire." i'm going to my remote friends, because you're at a disadvantage. there were back tracks of those comments. i didn't intend to question whether representative is an american. i'm questioning how any american could downplay the 9/11 attacks. in there is a backtrack, but something that isn't true. he does not downplay the 9/11

attacks. charlie? >> watching brian conscious kill me" testify against himself -- brian kilmead testifying against himself -- brian kilmeade was formed in some belligerent irish lab somewhere and dropped on a couch with a couple people. believe me, i grew up with 1,000 brian kilmeades. >> jennifer, the particular fixation on several of the freshmen congresswomen, but congress tlaib, it is to a point of obsession, and without with

regard to where this could put them at risks. there doesn't seem to be a recognition there's too much. >> it's not too much when a man goes into a pittsburgh synagogue quoting the same replacement sort of philosophy and kills a large number of jews. it's not enough when people in new zealand follow this language and commit mass murder. the reason they do it is very simp. they want to make the democrats into those other people, the brown and black people, those muslim people. they want to make them others, outside of the american family. that's the strategy.

they whip them up into a frenzy. he just literal le was at a republican jewish coalition, and he said it's the americans in front of him that their prime minister was benjamin netanyahu. >> to be clear, he's interested in reveling and building up his evangelical base. american jews are aghast by this. american jewels in overwhelming numbers vote for democrats.

it's for his benefit and for the evangelical right. we are talking during the break, so i want to bring it to the air. this thing that's done in the right, which is co-opt and adopt the language of oppression and apply it to themselves. here is congressman crenshaw of texas doing that on fox last night, vis-a-vis representative ilhan omar. take a listen. >> what they're doing is trying to silence any kind of arguments against them. why? because they don't actually have an argument to make. they use identity to try to silence anyone else. you're not allowed to say that because of who i am. it's also bucketed in itself. you're assuming that everybody of a certain skin color or gender should think a certain way. it's the contend of your character that matters, the

ideas that you have. that's what we should be deba debating here. >> the debate was over his comments attacking ilhan omar, who supports the renew all of the funding for 9/11 first responders. that guy is not signed on to support that. that was the debate, but he took it to an area where i good es is he saying when you give members of congress, the white house and fox news all drilling down on the same freshman congresswoman it's an extraordinarily dangerous and powerful smear campaign. fox news needs villains recurring characters. hillary clinton was a recurring character for 20 years. in a weird way michelle obama was the target of more personal

strange attacks over eight years at fox news than barack obama. they like democratic women to be these characters. they don't want them watching fox news for a 20 minutes, they want them watching it for five hours a day. it's dangerous and they don't care. >> if it's creating cartoonish villains for an older audience, to keep them caffeinated, rather than the safety of these women, they don't seem to care about the consequences. >> they don't care about the consequences to these women or to communities of colors, so the lgbtq community, any marginalized, they don't care

about the ramifications whatsoever. it's important to remember this is in the larger context of an international issue. less than a month ago you had 50 muslims massacred in new zeal d zealand, and across europe it's the same rise in nationalism, and the same way the right-wing media is using troeps against the community over there, is the same here. while donald trump took this to a dangerous level and he's the president of the united states, and it's so scary that this is the environment, it doesn't start with him. again, as i was saying earlier, this has been festering in the right wing for a long time. this is what they do day in and day out, in a minestream press level, they always put muslims in the context of terrorism. and it gets so much more coverage. at the same time, charlie pierce, it would be one thing if

it was just the trump tv show, but donald trump takes his policy cues from this media show that he's participating in, to the point there was an actual attempt to ban muslims to travel to the united states that went all the way up to the supreme court, where this administration is not taking the kind of action that one would thing they would to combat domestics extremism. they're just not doing it, so the consequences are coming out of the tv into the real world. >> yes, they're getting their policy prescriptions from fox news. but they're running the white house like the simpsons on fox entertainment. i think that's the only thing that's rescued us so far. as someone said earlier, this has been going on in american conservatism as long as i've been following politics, which goes back to about 1979. it's reach an apex, it's more crude, more reckless, but it's

been the coin of the realm on that side of the political spectrum for their own house. i think one way they could do it ask to find somebody to run against him in this presumary. that having been said. for some reason, and i think it's because they're so tied into this particular president, fox news has lost whatever was left of its mind. it used to been that they really were people on that network that were worth watching. now, as soon as one of those people puts up his head, like shep smith, the entire fox empire comes down on them. >> jennifer, as a conservative on the panel, is there a voice in conservatism that still has the power to intervene? donald trump, rather than backing down, you know, democrats are always scrambling to correct whatever it is that

they have said they think might have offended someone. donald trump has pinned that ilhan omar tweet, pinned it to his profile. they are not backing down. they never back down. if that is the tack they're taking, and it's working for them. is there any conservative figure that has the authority within the republican base to say, enough? >> i think the sad answer to that is no. i think he has morally and selectually corrupted the entire movement, whether it's the republican party or the larger conservative movement. you have publications that used to be prestige publications in the conservative stratosphere that do nothing, that encourage this sort of thing. there's no one like george w. bush who went to a mosque days after 9/11 to make this point. no one like ronald reagan talking about the wondering of immigration. these people have gone off the deep end and i think they're

past the point of no return. i would wish there would be someone from a very conservative or right-wing perspective that would stand up, but they haven't, look at the so-called evangelical christian conservatives, they're the worst. they are shouting the loudest. these people are christians, believe in religious equality and freedom, right? no, they believe in their own religious fremont dom and want to impose it on others. i think we're in a dangerous spot. just on a big picture, it's not just that fox is endangers people of color, it's not that they're targeting muslims. they are destroying political thought and political conversation in this country. they have so bamboozled a -- they have created a hate-mongers reality-defying world. and there's no one more

responsible for this than rupert murdoch. >> even the previous presidents, to their credit, didn't openly do what donald trump was doing, still there was some currency, right? in being able to do welfare queens on the part of ronald reagan? there were pieces that have been migrating in this direction. you know, we saw a torture regime that took place during the iraq war that the american people didn't rise up to stop. it became normalized also, so we've been sliding -- i don't know whacks do you think? >> and it's picked up momentum,

and it's been successful. the one thing you can't do is break the addition. and now, all of the momentum is behind it. it has devoured american conservatism. it's rolled up the conservative media. unless of course every never-trumper in the world wants to get behind my man bill weld, there's nobody to stop it. >> one voice for bill weld. thank you all for being here. coming up, the 2020 field just keeps growing, growing and growing and growing. that's next. d growing and growing. that's next. naysayer said no one would subscribe to a car the way they subscribe to movies. we don't follow the naysayers. ♪ ♪

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the antidote to this hatred is not more vicious, it's actually love. the aercht dote to a darkness we know this, it's light democrats will win because we show the best of who we are at a time when the country is yearning for more grace, more civility, for people who with heal wounds. the problems in my neighborhood were going on before donald trump was there. >> senator cory booker believes he can win the democratic nom nation and beat donald trump in 2020 by a campaigning on a

mission of unity and the love that conquers hate. is he right? let's go down -- you know what? i'm going to start on the cynical end of the spectrum. i'm sorry, i didn't mean that. >> of course. of course. >> you're just positioned on my screen next to me. all right. >> realistically, you know how this process works. he's got to win in iowa, new hampshire, nevada, south carolina. with the base of the denialic party, can a message like what you just heard win? >> of course not. it sounds really is going to make somebody field better. it's actually not even what general election voters want to hear. they want to hear how do you beat donald trump and how do you restore the decency and dignity of laws that people were used to. i know there's lots of people out there who believe in love armies and everything else, but

love in my experience has never won a reelection. ronald reagan didn't win on love. george bush didn't win on love. you win on showing people i can beat the guy in power and make your life better, and love isn't necessarily paying my bills. >> you know who wins on love is e.j. that was so kin cal that it made everybody sad. one more bite of cory booker, and let e.j. have at it. >> the problems in my neighborhood were going on before donald trump was there, lead in water, broken criminal justice system. my neighbors who work full-time job. my neighborhood are hard-working folks and they still need food stamps at the bodega up the street. they're going to take us calling this back together again with a sense of moral urgency. >> e.j., you and i worked on a

book together, that is a very obama-like message. if that worked for obama, why can't it work for cory booker? >> you have to do a lot of things on cable television. i love being on here where my job is to defend love. >> that's because we have you out of church on a sunday when you should be in mass. >> no, in fact it gets at something that they are all out there also talking a religious language, which i think is really important for a lot of americans to hear from democrats and progressives. look, i think democrats are of two minds here. democrats really, really want to take the fight to trump. there's no question about that. but one of the reasons they want to take the fight to trump, they're tired of this divisiveness.

and we are so divided from each other, and so i think there's a real appeal to what cory booker is saying to a lot of people, but i think the trick is, and i think what he's going to have to figure out is how can he be very aggressive about the abuses of donald trump, and make the case that only by defeating that kind of politics can we get to the better world. >> let's go to another person that's running on the idea of trying to defuse the newt ron bomb that politics has become, and that's pete buttigieg, who is also running in a lane of not fighting, right? and trying to sort of win over, and i'm going to go to --. just in terms of identity lanes? it would be a lonely place.

>> actually a source of solidarity. >> being practiced by the white house today, and it's using race to divide us within for example the middle and working class. >> that's threading a very particular needle in a policy that's first i don't -- we all -- but it only seems to apply to marginalized community, so i just want to be clear on the lingo, but i think pete buj jay is running somewhat of a dangerous campaign. i think he tends to step a little too far over to the right and it would be really hard in around environment where the demographics are changing, and we have people who want to walk the middle of the road and try to appeal to these rump voters

we have seen who are immovable. they cannot be moved. if we wanted a republican, we would vote republican. you cannot meet a bully in the middle. you can't be friends. and i think that's what we're see from the white house. when you have candidates try to appeal to people, i think they do so at their own peril. you asked why one message worked for obama and maybe not for cory booker, i think the problem is because donald trump was not in office by then. you know for centuries, the difference is now you have a champion of it in the white house, and so it's gotten exacerbated. you have people truly worried about the civil rights that are being trampled on, so when you

have someone at the top of that, their attacks on their civil rights cast a very dark shadow across many areas that most americans don't think about. >> fair point. let's move on to talk about a couple candidates. the women, i've said it before, have not gotten enough attention. kamala harris just released 15 years of her tax returns, sounds like a bit of a message for maybe bernie sanders or maybe someone else. elizabeth warren is very specifically doing policy. not apologizing for it. here's warren. >> doing policy, why do you do policy? because policy is optimism. policy is optimism. i get what's broken, we it actually fix this. we just have to build the movement together to make it happen. i talked to some folks in washington about it, talked to

several of my colleagues. too b too hard, give up, smile more, you know? and ask for less. >> smile more. i mean, that is a fair point. jason, why is bless not polls higher she's running a very substantive campaign. >> one, she's a woman, two, she's a woman, three, she's a woman. a lot of this is the perception we're still battling about what a president is supposed to look like. that's why we have the boy band you up there that people pay attention to. she has one of the most interesting narratives. she was raised a republican. we don't have a lot of people talking about that story. she's someone who has demonstrated she can create policy and get things done. i actually believe, and i've sid this all along, they are the two candidates most likely to pop.

they're the people in the first or second debate will have a good viral moment and jump from the 6% or 7%, i think she has a much bigger up side. we're going to see it. >> look at you being positive. >> very quickly e.j. -- we are really out of time, but bernie sanders being a millionaire. he used to say the millionaires and billionaires, does it hurt him he's finally admitting he's a millionaire? >> he didn't handle it ideally, and democrats have liked other kinds of millionaires before, like fdr or john f. kennedy. i think that's all he should have said. back on the mayor pete point. he's not apologize fog trump. he's been aggressive going after both trump and vice president mike pence. i don't think he's looking for the core trump voter, but he is trying to create a broader coalition. >> that will have to be the last

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painful images with the attack on the world trade center. i just want to replay what congresswoman tlaib said in our interview this morning that was quite hopeful on this regard. it is such a difficult day, weekend of dealing with this stuff. here she is. >> i want people to see a bit of hope and light in a moment of darkness, that women like us got elected even though the president of the united states three times banning muslims from a entering this country. our election in itself speaks volumes of how disconnected this current administration is with the american people. >> you know, jason, congresswoman tlaib have the almost a ping-pong effect, so it crosses all of these boundaries when donald trump is making these attacks on this congresswoman because he is so

many things. y said, look, my simple existence is something that drives people crazy. 20% of african americans are muslim, right? they're not always immigrants. it's people born in this country just like me. it's not that donald trump is attacking her in this intersectional way. it's the way in which it reveals the weaknesses and cracks within the democratic party. i have said this candidly on twitter and other places. donald trump is trying to get this woman harmed. we're in an environment where you have had people try to kill leaders of the democratic party just a couple months ago, sending bombs, putting up these posts after this person threatened really. to the degree that democrats are dances around or won't say her name say they are not ready for the fight for the existence of this country and the very people

that make that party functional. >> jennifer, if they're not ready, what have they been waiting for? you had the charlottesville moment, the globalism, these very interesting attacks that were directed at george soros, and globalism, and using troeps. democrats have had some practice. why aren't they more ready for it? >> you know, you got me. i think there is this overwhelming fear that they lost the white working-class vote. they have to do everything to get it back, including ignoring the core of their coalition, which is african-american, or african-american women. i think it's this path on the in the democratic party, and we really can't go with a woman. we need just a white guy, and they say this not because they necessarily believe it, but because they are so gun-shy after 2016. i think you have to look to

those candidates who were successful in 2018 and who have been successful in the trail and understand that's a defensive infective way, that candidates who can appeal to both white working-class voters, and to african-americans are the ones who will success. charlie pierce, it's a full-throttle strategy. now you have sarah huckabee sanders, not surprisingly, picking up the ball on this idea of dumping migrants into sanctuary cities. take a listen to her. >> we have to look at all options across the table so that the towns right there on the borders aren't taking on the entire burden and we're shifting some of that burden who places who constantly claim to want to have open borders and want to have an open city. so let's put some of those people into their communities and into their towns, and see if

they are okay with the same impact. >> this is more effective even that pretending to do a daily news conference. now he is say a whole paragraph. assist this is from the administration of the united states. >> first of all, i would like to thank the folks at augusta national, so kellieanne conway didn't get another chance. "face the nation" was canceled. so thank you francesco molinari and tiger woods and everybody. no, this gets back to what jason was talking about. the entire government was set up so the institutions already in intention with each other. that's the only thing that james mason was write being in federalist 51. he doesn't just mean one person and another. he means the executive and the legislature. he means the legislature and the

judiciary, they will all be in conflict with each other so that no one of them will gain too much power. in this particular historical moment, and i back up to no one in my admiration for nancy pelosi as a legislative technician, she's blowing this one big time, because the legislature has to stand up for one of its own. that has nothing to do with politics, nothing to do with election. that's the way the country is supposed to work. >> jason, to that point, the treasury over sort of supersedes i.r.s., blows the deadline for the tax return and the democrats give them another week. what was the scene in "mean girls" i'm going to keep you here all night, wait, i can keep you here until 4:00. show in backbone. this is why people want a fighter. this is key, joy, when they're talking about we're going to take these my grands and dump them, this is the language of

dehumanizing them. if a democrat ecpolitician said weep going to take the opioid addicts in california and stick them in alabama, see how you feel about it, there would be an uproar. that is the language of this administration, that is the policy of this administration, and to the degree that the democrats still think they're playing by the old rules, that's how they will end up losing, there are people whose lives are in danger. we've had members of congress get shot. we have had members of congress get shot. i don't know how they can't understand this is a life or death issue for members just doing their jobs by representing their districts. >> these border communities like el paso, when that isn't even true, people are saying we want open border cities, that isn't true. they're just literally saying things so patently untrue, but it almost goes by without

notice. >> when kellyanne says we can keep them in mexico, no, a federal court just ruled that. the law says they have a right to individual consideration of asylum. so every word, even the -- are false when they come off her mouth. i think actually nancy pelosi did speak out. she both verbally and in writing, she's? stuttgart and felt somewhat constrained talking back, but -- i would say this. i think the democrats need to at least get the idea that when somebody happens, there has to be a unified statement. why don't all the presidential candidates when somebody like this has come out with a unified statement, why don't they say this is above politics, we all believe this. that would be a powerful statement to the country. >> yes instead it would. very much.

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living. i intend to keep that promise. >> ah, yes, the final season of "game of thrones" premieres tonight on hbo. what can we expect to see this season? back with me, jason johnson, lord of the cynics, first of his name, and our very own mother -- >> i got the star colors here. >> the king of the north. and our very own mother of dragons, kalesi tiffany cross. that's when you need to duck, jason. i have to play this clip because it's kind of perfectly timed. this is hillary clinton talking about how "game of thrones" described politics. take a listen. >> which is closer to reality of life in politics? which tv show? "the west wing" or "veep"? >> probably "game of thrones."

>> very true. and she wrote in her book what happened for those of you who read the memoir, that her treatment in her view of the handful of supporters was kind of like sersi lanister. they shouted guilty, guilty, and shame, shame. what do you make of that analogy, tiffany? >> there are so many parallels in the "game of thrones" and politics. i think hillary clinton is right, however, i would never compare her to sersi wn you see finger talking -- when they were speaking in the throne room and they were complaining back and forth, and the la virus that you would want to see

this pit thrown into chaos. and little finger said it's not a pit, it's a fire. when you look at who the soldiers are in all these armies from the sullies to the night watch. again, i'll explain later. these are just the worker bees who are expanding these great houses. the parallels are numerous and scary. yes, jason, go read your binge watch recap that you've got. >> hillary clinton could never be sersi because sersi understood the power of the north, and hillary clinton didn't spend enough time in the north. yes, that's one of the things she could be legitimately criticized for. >> the king of the north must stay in the north. jason, let me put you on your political prognosticators tack. little finger, love him or hate

him, he's a great tactician. do the democrats need one of those, a l eva virrius? >> the only person who seems to understand is barack obama. he is not trying to run the country, but he's there to give advice to everybody, and he's provided advice in the background to several of these candidates already. we've sort of broken down who the different candidates are. i think jon snow is the better warrior. at the end of the day, you need someone who understands leadership. whether or not he's going to come forward the way he needs to, i don't know if that's going to happen soon, but he needs to cap it all in 2020. >> feel free to attach any characters to real candidates, tiffany. >> well, so i definitely -- i

kind of see jason's point as a binge watcher who watched part of the episodes yesterday and is trying to catch up. but i don't know that obama is a tirian lanister. certainly there is a tiria tirian lanister. i don't know that that's barack obama. but tyrell tried to do the common good. certainly democrats could use a little bit of a warrior. i will say this about the denar denarius debate. there's a debate whether she's a l liberator or a colon zirzer. there's room for discussion there. >> there really is and that's why i can't get on board with

this obsession with her -- >> calling her mother and all. >> just because she has cornrows doesn't mean she can't do her job. o her job.

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"game of thrones" thing. i'm not a big "game of thrones" person, but i'm watching tonight and i got so excited listening to you. >> you will love it, alex, because it really does speak to politics. the lannisters are so bad, but they're good bad. you can't look away. >> we will be watching that tonight together. a good day to all of you. high noon here in the east.