>> this sunday, immigration fight. president trump ups the stakes saying he may release migrants to sanctuary cities. >> they're always saying they have open arms, let's see if they have open arms. >> taunting states like california that oppose his policy. >> we can give them an unlimited supply. >> and urging homeland security to close the border as he publicly said he wouldn't. >> this suggests another notion that is unworthy of the presidency of the united states. >> plus spy games. when attorney general bill barr makes this claim without offering evidence. >> you're not suggesting, though, that spying occurred. >> spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. >> he pleases his new boss. >> i think what he said was

absolutely true. there was absolutely spying into my campaign. >> and infuriates some law enforcement professionals. >> you really don't know what he's talking about when he talks about spying on the campaign. >> and democrats. >> when barr opened his mouth, trump's words came tumbling out. >> my guest this morning, kellyanne conway. also the candidate confronting climate change. >> this is our moment to put the threat of our existence at the top of the agenda. >> i'll interview governor jay inslee of washington. joining me for inside analysis are kasie hunt, "washington post" columnist, daniel plenga, and david brookes. welcome to sunday. it's "meet the press." >> from nbc news in washington, the longest running television show in history, this is "meet

the press" with chuck todd. >> good sunday morning, when donald trump was elected many hoped the presidency would change him. it didn't. two examples of mr. trump flout flouting convention. one unhappy his first attorney general did not protect him from the mueller investigation, mr. trump fired him and replaced him with bill barr who gave him legitimacy to the talking point on the russian interference, that his campaign had been spied on. two, mr. trump sacked dhs's leadership, axing four top officials, and said he was thinking about sending immigrants at the border into sanctuary cities. what is clear, mr. trump is trying to change the presidency or at least his presidency and reshape it in his own image. what is less clear, if he really wants to change the situation at

the border. >> for president trump, an asylum crisis on the southern border has become a political opportunity. >> i think they're going to pay a price in 2020 for a lot of things, whether it's the fake witch hunt they start up or whether it's a situation like this. >> in a month dominated by the fight other how much of robert mueller's report will be released into the public, the president has leaned into the border crisis. on friday, he tweeted we are indeed as reported giving strong considerations to placing illegal immigrants into sanctuary cities only. >> we'll give them more people. we'll give them a lot. we can give them an unlumted supply and see if they're so happy. >> the president's threat came hours after administration officials said the plan was rejected back in february because it was, in the words of one former official, so illegal. >> it suggests another notion that is unworthy of the

presidency of the united states and disrespectful of the challenges we face as a country, as a people, to address who we are. >> the number of apprehensions on the southern border hit a 12-year high in march, dominated by family, over 53,000 parents and children. immigration courts have a backlog now, each case taking 700 days to proes is. instead of addressing the problem -- >> they have to get rid of the asylum system because it doesn't work and frankly we should get rid of judges. >> this week those attacks got a rare public rebuke from a federal judge. >> when politicians attack the court, it's dangerous, political, and guilty of egregious overreach. you can hear the lawyers assessing the south. >> last year the state department announced it would be ending foreign aid to the countries these migrants come from.

and mr. trump fired his i.c.e. director and homeland security director. >> frankly, there's only one person running it, me. >> the firings are latest departures from a government the president is molding in his own image. >> i'm concerned. i'm concerned of a growing void of leadership within the department of homeland security. >> last week mr. trump urged the border closed. >> our country's full. we're full. >> and on tuesday, trump's national security advisers gathered at the white house to discuss whether the military could be used to build tent city detention camps for migrants. >> i'm going to have to call up military. our military can't act like a military would act because if they get a little rough, everybody would go crazy. >> and joining me now is counselor to president trump, kellyanne conway. welcome back to "meet the press." >> thank you, chuck.

>> i want to start here. does the president see this as crisis where our asylum seekers is underresourced, overstressed, overtaxed. >> chuck, first thanks for acknowledging it is a crisis. not so long ago we had members of the democratic party denying that word should even be used. and no less a person than president obama's homeland security director -- secretary -- has referred to as a crisis several times. you can't look at the numbers and deny we have a crisis. it's a security crisis and humanitarian crisis wechlt have 103,000 migrants being apprehended or coming across the border. the flow is different. for years it was sungal males from mexico. now we have families, increasingly family units from

the three northern countries, and unaccompanied children. can you and i assure each other and everybody watching today that we know what happens to those minors once they're released into the country? congress can fix this easily. all the time they spend reacting to every single donald trump tweet or the president's statements, they can sit down and do three quick thing. they can fix tvpra which is a trafficking victims act where it becomes a magnet. flores is a judicial that's holding our country. we must release children into the interior of this country. number three, fix the asylum law so that those who actually have a credible claim of asylum can have the process faster. we just have too many people. that's why the president is looking for more money, more resources, more technology, and

help from some of these cities. >> everything you have said the president i have not heard from the president. you have said he has not -- >> i'm here on his behalf. >> i understand that but you say he wants to get rid of asylum law. >> we just had new judges in our package. we need more. >> he said get rid of the judges. >> the president is saying let's stop having one or two judges in this country make immigration law for an entire country. that's congress's job. after the retreat, do the democrats come up with immigration plan? what are they willing to do. >> i'm talking about immigration judges to deal with the asylum backlog. that is the implication, he was saying get rid of those judges. does he not want to have asylum judges? >> we need more immigration judges. his 70 point immigration plan he presented to congress in october of 2017 includes more judges. and i believe even what congress was willing to pass or did pass included 75 new immigration judges and all the support that would go with that, the support staff and the like in addition

to new technologies at the border. so, those who vote for that, those who voted for hr 6, the largest one piece of legislation to combat the drug crisis in our nation's history, every democrat in the house voted for it. they admitted we have a drug crisis at the border. that's where the meth, cocaine, and fentanyl are pouring over. we have an unserious congress coming to the taubl. did the republicans fail to do their job? no doubt. the democrats are failing to come together in the house. >> how is the president playing a constructive role. this is the national e are view this week. this is the way the critics respond to him. you talked about the tweets. they're not alarmed by the bluster. they're amused. they undermine his ability to make the deals he needs to make. he's testing the utility of speak softly and carry a big stick. tweeting loudly and often carrying no stick at all.

>> he shut down the government, national emergency, sending the migrants to sanctuary cities. what part of that is the same tone that you have had which says we want to sit down, we want to have more judge, we want to try to solve this? the president doesn't sound like somebody who wants to solve the crisis? >> for him it's all of the above. it's everything you said. he asked congress for everything you said, visa lottery system, chain migration, willing to do a deal on the dreamers. it's false there was $25 million on the table by the democrats. that's what was allocated and not appropriated and they know it. in addition to that, the president has looked at many different options. from the executive branch of the government we've done a great deal of work. we need the legislature to step in and we need the courts give the remain in mexico poll sichlt so many of the liberals want the illegal migrants to remain in america. why not remain in mexico while

your claims of asylum are being processed. this is something the president and cabinet brokered with mexico. it's safe passage for the families and unaccompanied minors to matheir claims okay o being processed. but i think -- the house came from the other side. you have this is anti-semitic congresswoman -- >> woah, woah, woah, this is nothing to do with -- >> it does. >> i know what you're trying to do here. >> it has to do with -- >> the president is trying to browbeat the democrats. he's trying to browbeat them to come over. that's no way to get a compromise. even mitch mcconnell is saying enough of this already. >> we'll meet them this afternoon if they would like to come. >> why don't you invite them? >> the offer sfands. the invitation is open. they were there several times to avert a government shutdown and avert it on this issue. >> it's always his way or the

highway. >> i adisagree. >> okay. what part of shutting down the government, i'll do this, that's not how -- that's not how anybody would be coerced to say yeah, let's sit down and see if we can woman and reach common ground. >> they are welcome to come and i'll tell you the problem solvers caucus did come. there's a great deal of frustration among rank and file members who represent districts. they've been to the white house. they talk to people like me quietly saying they wish the radical fresh men wo had get all the magazine covers and all the ink and air time, i guess they're upset with the leadership today. overnig overnight congresswoman talib tweeted she's frustrated. i think there's trouble in pelosi paradise, but if she

wants to fix immigration, she can come. >> you keep trying to do other things. i want to go back to how the president is perhaps making the situation worse. >> flores. >> here is the ""new york times"" from yesterday. presersly the president's own antiimmigrant rhetoric has helped supercharge the pipeline of migrants. if you want to go to the united states, go now. the president's words, shut down the border and this stuff is being used to encourage for people. >> my smugglers and coyotes of course. >> yes. will somebody tell the president he's doing this? will somebody tell the president that his words are encouraging these coyotes to make money off desperate people. >> the coyotes and smugglers do that anyway. you know that. >> why help them? >> you give them material by lying to them. you know daughters the same age

as ours are being pumped with birth control before they come here. my message to those mothers, and i'm one of school aged children, four of them, is don't come. it's a treacherous, perilous journey. where there's no guarantee -- >> do you know what happens in honduras. let me put this up. in 2017, 41% of women and girls killed showed signs of mutilation, disfigurement, and cruelty beyond what was needed to kill them. in this story, there was some graphic descriptions that are a thousand times worse that are not appropriate for sunday morning. this is what they're escaping. this is why they're seeking asylum in the united states. how do you turn them away? >> when thaw present their claims of asylum as they did in past administrations, those claims are evaluated. and people are granted asylum for credible asylum claims. what's happening, chuck, is you have those who are claiming asylum and should not be. back to my point, fix flores,

fix tvpra, and fix the aprocess so the claims can be processed. we need everybody's help. congress cannot turn a blind eye to that. they're still obsessed with the 2016 campaign and investigating it. >> the president doesn't play a role of someone who wants to make a deal. he talks about 2020. he talks about it all the time. he doesn't talk about a guy who wants a solution. >> he's willing to have them come to the table but they need to be serious because the president in the country doesn't make the laws, he executes the law. congress has to give the fix to flores. they can fix it. they can fix tvra. they can fix the asylum laws. they need to get back to washington and represent the people. >> why is the president so concerned about the humanitarian crisis and the human rights in venezuela but not honduras? >> we are, and i'll tell you why -- >> and cut off all the aid.

we're giving more money to help with humanitarian efforts in venezuela and cut off aid almost completely to the three -- to honduras, guatemala, and el salvador. >> not everybody sees what's happening in venezuela and how quickly it's foemting. >> i just told you what's happening. >> it's pretty awful. these young girls are coming through -- do we know, can we say with confidence we know what happens to them. we act like they have a family member or sponsor or way of life and safe passage. they don't. so many of them are trafficked. some are murdered. some are treated, mistreated wherever they go. we don't know what happens to them. shouldn't we have a system where we know better who is here and where they are. >> everybody agrees with that. let me ask you this way, can you treat this as a temporary emergency? so, the president is threatening to ship migrants.

>> he's using emergency and crisis. >> i grew up the in miami, i'm well affair of this. if he asked for help from cities and states, they would say sure. if you need to temporarily place them here, okay. why is it a browbeat. >> it wasn't a browbeat. >> how did he present it? >> excuse me. some have come forward and said they would come forward. >> this is a real plan? are you asking for mayors to call up the white house today and say yes send us your tired. >> sure. i recently addressed the conference and others from the administration. this issue was raised if had terms of how can we work together on many crises of the day. immigration is one of them. opioids is another one. criminal justice reform is something else. certainly we want to work with the nation's mayors. but if you look at a city like

philadelphia, you have a mayor there who won't share information with i.c.e. anymore which means that we don't even know who's there, why they're there, how long they're there. >> by the way, there's a circular -- if the president believes we're full, why does he want to help basically create a permanent way for these folks. >> these people are coming here anyway as you know. 103,000 came. these are unprecedented numbers. when the president addressed the nation in the only prime time oval of his presidency, you had a response from leader schumer and speaker pelosi said it's a lie that it's a crisis. now people like you and jeh johnson, respected people, are admitted it is a crisis. we do have an emergency. what are the solutions? i've laid out simple solutions congress can work on. i think the person who's running for the nomination by a democrat who comes up with immigration plan, that person is going to disting himself or herself because right now the two front runners for the democrats according to plan are the two

old white male career politicians. somebody who plans out with a plan on immigration will prevail. >> was the president informed in advance of what was going to happen to julian assange. >> not to my knowledge. >> he didn't know in advance. >> not to my knowledge. >> the federal government, whatever deal was made with the uk. >> i'm sorry, i don't know. that was state department. >> you don't believe the president was briefed in advance. >> i don't know and i don't think so. i want to say one more thing, having discussed this with him after the fact several times, the president believes those who publish classified information should not do that. that goes for major publications as well -- >> you're saying he should criminalize it. >> i'm not saying that. he's being indicted because he hacked. same thing with private manning. anybody publishing classifying information should think thrice before they do that. i think it's part of why some of the redactions will come out in

the mueller report. you're protecting sources and method, protecting p grand jury information, protecting third parties who haven't been indicted and won't be impeached. they want to embarrass and harass the president. >> nice to have you. when we come back -- >> you're not suggesting though that spying occurred. >> i don't -- well, i guess you could -- i think spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. >> so, what exactly did the attorney general bill barr mean when he said spying on the trump campaign did occur? there's more to that story and that's coming up next with the panel. ext with the panel. most pills don't finish the job because they don't relieve nasal congestion. flonase sensimist is different. it relieves all your worst symptoms, including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. it's more complete allergy relief.

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kasi hunt, and david brooks. i think it's going to take a third, fourth, or fifth mountain to figure out immigration. you wrote about it's a version of enough is enough. you're samuel l. jackson "snakes on a plane" moment. that was a very -- kellyanne conway represents an administration that wants to do a deal but her boss doesn't sound like somebody who wants to do a deal. >> there's a magical fantasy land that we have a president that waunts to take care of other peoples' problems. we would fix the release system. we would do what any mayor and government would do, let's fix the problem. president trump sees every problem as a chance to perform, as a chance to show what a man

he is. so everything becomes not a solution. everything just becomes a pose, show business. and the upshot is he's tried to deter immigration through cruelty. and that's been a miserable failure. that's why we have this problem. >> the sacking of the entire echelon of the entire homeland security department -- i'm going to put the listing of actings we have going in the administration now -- and how many are connected to some form of border security or the border issue, especially what's happening at dhs, do you get a sense with republicans when mitch mcconnell says we've got to an adult conversation. >> mitch mcconnell was afoot. he says he's open to that. i do think there's an increased amount of nervousness. clearly the white house wants to be able to do whatever the president wants to do regardless

of the guardrails congress has put in place around the questions. that's a big reason why the homeland security secretary in particular was sacked. i think the root of the problem here is that this president, every time he goes to congress and says i want to solve x problem by doing y thing, whatever y is changes five or six times during the course of the negotiations. so, you know, republicans have learned this lesson several times. democrats had to learn it again. republicans tried to tell them watch out, this guy's not a reliable negotiator. so, how do you solve this problem if that's the case? >> would you accept any of the approximate deal parameters kellyanne conway laid out today? >> you could have that conversation and make a deal but not with donald trump. you wouldncouldn't with a presi that says let's get rid of judges. it is performative. it's showing what a tough guy he is. it is not finding solutions to

problems. we're a country of 330 million people. just most powerful country on earth. we can deal with 50,000 people on the border. it's not that big a deal for us to handle that if we choose to handle that and handle it properly. we have laws that provide for asylum. let's follow the law. let's build the facilities and put the people in place and let's get it done. >> i'm not sure i agree with you about the fact that we can handle this. i do think this is a genuine crisis and that's all the more reason we need to adapt the laws, update, move ahead with the changes that kellyanne conway laid out very normally, i thought. but i want to talk about the president for a second because i think we've reached a turning point in the last week in which furl marketing reality tv guy donald trump widened the chasm

between himself and governance. i was surprised. when we see this, we see an administration struggling, running to keep up with him to execute the increasingly random things he's saying. that is also a crisis in my opinion because if this gets worse, we are looking at another year and a half of mismanagement, of lack of governance, and of genuine democratic crisis. >> here's the other part of it which is -- and this was a part of this that i don't -- why take away the money from the central american countries. there is no -- we have no consistency in foreign policy. what we're doing in venezuela -- it's -- there's political ramifications for venezuela. it's called florida's electoral votes. >> indeed. chuck, the question is i think is this about policy or politics. do they really want to solve this crisis? i do think our system has for many years functioned that way. we have solved big problems in the past. we don't have the greatest immediate track record, but that doesn't mean that we couldn't do

that. but there's no -- the trust has broken down because the sense is -- i mean why. the best point is why are you to take that money away when we know that it helps stem the root of the problem if you're the president. it just indicates to others this is a political thing for him. >> can we not let the democrats off the hook here. a lot of them are saying there's no crisis and they're strangely mute on what to do. i think the core problem is they don't know where their base is on immigration. >> that's right. >> are we open boarders party? were we? they don't want to get on the wrong side of the twitter mobs so it's just lay low lay owe lay owe or be abstract. >> i don't think it is an open borders position to say that -- to question the use of the word "crisis." you can use that word, you can not use that word. it's a lot of people who are coming in. but we are able to handle it. this is -- it's not hordes and

hordes invading in the way the president describes the carrava. in fact there's a process and people get to apply for asylum. we can look at the asylum laws if you want to look at that, but we have laws. >> they have to wait until 2021 until they get a hearing. >> this is a crisis. we shouldn't get into semantics about this. but the president gets this is a sanctuary city play. he gets that the democrats in a very, very invidious position here. >> very fast to you, but the level of distrust, you talked about ut. the level of distrust between congressal democrats and bill barr this week. >> the trust that democrats have in bill barr is basically absolutely nil, and brian schatz said if had that hearing what you just told us is going to cause everybody to freak out and that's what's going on. >> wasn't wrong. everybody freaked out. >> i think there's a chance that

what bill barr presents to us will feel like a mostly complete accounting and could get some forgiveness from chairmen. but if it looks like a bunch of classified material covered in black ink, forget it. >> if they redact all the grand jury material, that would by ahuge chunk of the material. >> when we come back, the presidential candidate who is making climate change the issue of his campaign, jay inslee. i'm going to ask him about whether sanctuary cities in his state would and should welcome migrants. come migrants lease the 2019 es 350 for $389 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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>> welcome back. up next is another candidate from washington, washington state, that is, not washington, d.c. there are now 15 major candidates that announced or filed pauperwork for the nomination. our list of boxes up there does not include joe biden. separating yourself from that large a field is a challenge. jay inslee is trying to meet by focusing on one issue, confronting climate change. he's a state with many sanctuary cities. just the kind of place president trump is sending migrants. welcome to "meet the press." >> good morning. thank you. let me start with what the president is suggesting. i know the seattle mayor wrote an op said to condemn the president's weaponization of the idea but then said all right, fine, you send them. we'll take them. is that your attitude too and should this -- regardless of the president's tone should this be part of the temporary solution?

>> this is yet another act of bombastic chaos that simply is not going to work for this ineffective president for several reasons. number one, you can't threaten someone with something they're not afraid of. we're not afraid of diversity in the state of washington. we relish in it. we're built as a state of immigrants. we welcome refugees as we did with the vietnamese refugees back in the day. it's why i was the first governor to say our state was willing to take syrian refugees, why we came out against the muslim ban. it's why we sued president trump and won 18 times in a row. we're happy to take refugees. it's also simply based on a matter of these are humans. these are people. somehow -- >> tell me what you would do right now. look, forget, if you're like the president, might be a republican senate, democrat house.

a quick legislative fix is not there. tell me what you do. >> number one, i would attack climate change. a lot of these people coming north are climate refugees. the fact donald trump has waved the white flag to climate change is a problem. we have to be solution based rather than sort of trolling in the internet base. if you are solutioned based we've got to make the asylum process work. that means we have to have more channels, more hearing officers to sumply be able to process these cases. you don't change the law just because you got more cases in the federal court system or get rid of judges as he as suggested. we need more processing facilities to help these folks. while they're waiting for their asylum hearings, we're welcoming them to the state of washington because we have found these folks frequently become pillars of our community. >> you're going to hear many republicans say democrats are for open borders.

if somebody accuses you being for open borders, what would you say? >> i would say that is inaccurate as happens very frequently in this business. what i do believe though is we need to change our policies. we have to respond to the american character of a nation based on um graimmigration. i believe the spirit of the statue of liberty is alive. we should increase the number of refugees we're taking. this is cruel we've reduced the number of refugees america takes at the same time the world is aflame in climate change refugees and civil war. that's why i came out as one of the first to say we would take refugees. >> do you think the immigration laws should be more or less restrictive right now as they stand? the laws of how to become a citizen and resident, less or more restrictive? >> we should number one give the 11 million plus that are our neighbors that are working, some or the hardest working people in the country, we need to give them a path to citizenship.

we need comprehensive immigration reform. we need protection of the dreamers. the fact that donald trump is holding the dreamers as extortion bait if you will is criminal. these people in the universitys are going to be engineers, business people. we've got to find a solution to the dreamer ls. i've got college education for dreamers. we've got to have asylum process that works. four, as i've indicated we've got to have an american style acceptance of refugees. we've got to have a humane policy. >> you want to make the center piece as combatting climate change and everything is a derivative of that. it's a good way to get people to pay attention to you on day one of your candidacy. as you know, health care is the number one issue among many voters. so, for instance, where do you stand on health care? is it forring sm, medicare for all, or obamacare plus. >> i think we should follow what we're doing in washington state.

we'll hopefully be the first state in the country to offer public option. we've been one of the most successful in implementing obamacare. you don't just give speeches, you make things work. we've had one of the more successful efforts. we're implementing health. we've got to have more access to medicare on the road to universal access. i believe we need to reduce the age. i think we need to allow people to opt into medicare when they want it. and this is the way to what we need and have to have which is universal health care in the country. >> it sounds like you think use the obamacare framework and build on it. >> i think we can build by increasing accessibility to medicare and i believe that will lead to universal health care. i believe that's where we need to go. and i think we also have to find a way to reduce the drug prices by allowing bargaining for drug prices. >> let me go to specifics on climate issues.

pricing carbon. we've seen the yellow vest movement. you seem to be saying you tend to get taxing carbon as a ref referendum. maybe pricing carbon isn't the answer. what is the answer if you can't do it that way? >> there are many answers. what we've learned is the most important renewable fuel in the battle against climate change is the fuel of perseverance. with goeft to look at multiple ways of moving forward. we're moving forward in my state. we built a $6 million wind turbine industry. we've got the highest use of electric cars in the country. we passed a 100% clean electrical grid where we will not have fossil fuels on the grid. >> you're for nuclear energy. not everybody on the environmental movement is for nuclear energy. >> i'm open to doing research and development to find out

whether nuclear energy could become cost effective, could be safe. those are things that would have to resolve before it could become part of the mix. i don't think we should shut off research into the options given the urnlt si. i am the candidate saying it's got to be job one or it won't be done. >> are you running for president to prove a point or do you believe this truly is the best path to the democratic nomination? >> i believe it is the best path because people are coming to realize the urgency of this. it's tied with health care as the number one priority of voters in iowa for good reason. i was in iowa, a little town there since 1858, never been flooded before, now it's under water. i was in miami beach when i saw the roads have to be built up. people are now getting the this, what used to be a graph on a chart is now reality. it's ash on the hood of your car. so, people are ready for this.

they also understand the economic potential of this as i have. the things i predicted in my book, it's happening. >> running from the west coast. we know whatever it is, there's an east coast bias in this country even central time zone bias in this country. is it -- how high is that hurdle sometimes, just simple the time zone? >> i think it's a benefit because i think the west coast is on the cutting edge of benefits. we've legalized marijuana in my state. i've offered pardons to marion convictions. i've done the family paid leave in america. i did the net neutrality bill in america. this is where good ideas come from. i like being from the west. >> so, the time issue isn't problematic? >> i can get up a little earlier than usual. >> stay safe on the trail. >> thanks for doing your climate change piece as well.

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different attitudes towards racial equality in america. you can see what appears to be predictable splits. 78% of african-americans says the country has not gone far enough. only 37% of whites say the same thing. on the legacy of slavery, 84% of blacks say slavery had a great deal or fair amount on the position of african-americans in society today. lower numbers, but asians, hispanics, and whites agree. the real story is the differences between whites. when you look at this through the prism of political parties. among white democrats, 64% say the country has not gone far enough in giving african-americans equal whites. among white republicans, only 15% hold that view. on the legacy of slavery, 80% of democrats say it's had a big impact compared to 40% of white

republicans. white democrats look more like african-american respondents. we see the same kind of differences in real life circumstances. majority of african-americans surveyed say they believe they are treated less fairly with whites when dealing with police in the workplace except on the issue of policing. a majority of white respondents did not agree. those numbers are shift when we look through a red/blue filter. white democrats track more closely with how african-american respondents felt on the subject. bottom line there's r questions equality. the bigger split seems to be among whites along political lines. that's what makes the issues so complicated to deal with in washington. a lot of people have been called the democratic front runner. is anyone really the front runner right now? nt runner right now

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i will fight for medicare for all. >> it's interesting that the former mayor of newark, eugene, announced yesterday. and the hottest candidate that's not named biden or bernie in this race is a current mayor of a smaller city, south bend, pete buttigieg who throws in today. the cory booker was the reminder that cory booker would feel like a bigger presence in this campaign than he's been. why? >> because he's been running for a while. >> feels like it. >> he just announced, but he's actually been running. it's been clear he was running. it doesn't seem to -- he just hasn't caught fire. he hasn't caught fire with either the donor base or the voters thus far. and he's not -- i mean, you can't say he's a top tier candidate right now. sitting senator, impressive guy. >> i wonder if he wishes he could run as newark mayor, not

as former newark mayor. >> i think it's a good time to buy booker stock. >> do you? >> looking at the emotional primary. there are lovers and fighters and the lovers are beto, buttigieg. i think a lot of democrats are finally going to say, let's put an end to all that what we've been through with trump. >> i completely disagree. >> that's why we're here. >> let me throw something up here. this is why you disagree. look at the front-runners. everybody's been a front-runner. everybody gets to be a front-runner. "vanity fair," kamala harris is the new front-runner. "the wall street journal," beto o'rourke is the front runner. bernie sanders is the front runner. >> i don't think there are any front runners. bernie sanders has been put in the top tier. i think there is a question as to why cory booker is not currently in the top tier. i do think, though, that there is something to be said about peaking at the right time. how many of us -- i certainly

didn't peak in high school and here we are on the set of "meet the press," right? same goes for an election. you know, i mean, it's a long -- we have a long way to go to iowa. >> does that mean this is the peak? >> by the way, let me point out, in fact, to prove this point and to hammer it home, both iowa and new hampshire poll this week that had, by the way, identical order of candidates in the iowa, new hampshire pole polls. biden, one, followed closely by bernie and buttigieg was the surprise third. warren dropping to fourth and all of this. i went back into our way back machine, here was mid-may poll in iowa in 2015. hillary clinton was winning by 40 points and iowa ended up being decided by basically a margin of error. >> if you talk to bernie people, they'll say they won iowa. >> the point is the polls are meaningless as always. >> i'm going to use another baseball analogy, i know how happy it makes you. 2012 and 2016 for the republicans, right, basically you were just waiting to get to the top of the batting order. it was literally just this nonstop, you know, go from the bottom to the top, bottom to the top.

the one lesson that i think is pretty sad for all of us is what big mistake did cory booker made? he ran for senate. the senate is like that -- the sucking sound for everybody's political career. it's true. >> well, as pete buttigieg said, i haven't been corrupted by washington. i don't have the stain of washington. >> he's right. >> let me challenge convention wisdom for a second. conventional wisdom, if you're a democrat, you ran for president, you've got to present your positive agenda. you can't be just anti-trump. i'm waiting for somebody to come out and say, you know, i'm the anti-trump candidate. i'm running to beat donald trump. and, you know -- >> isn't that terry mcauliffe? isn't that the alligator picture? >> bernie sanders is making that point. it's unusual because it's different from what he did last time around. >> i think there's subtraction there. this is a national emergency, i have to beat donald trump. >> having you here, i found buttigieg/pence back and forth a debate over who gets to define

christianity a little bit in politics. take a listen. >> that's the thing i wish the mike pences of the world would understand. that if you have a problem with who i am, your problem is not with me. your quarrel, sir, is with my creator. >> he said some things that are critical of my christian faith and about me personally. he knows better. >> i'm not critical of his faith. i'm critical of bad policies. >> all of us have our own religious convictions. pete has his convictions, i have mine. >> there are so many jimmy carter, to me, comparisons to buttigieg right now between the '75-'76 era and today for so many reasons. this retrying to have a conversation about christianity in the democratic party is part of it. >> taking in the stranger, as i understand a reasonably large part of christianity and that's what we're talking about with immigrants and all that, there's a natural play for the religious left, someone who can talk honestly in the language of the gospel. i sort of think it was a mistake to go after pence, because the great thing about buttigieg gives you left wing

policies without left wing culture war. >> he seemed to want to pull back slightly from that. >> i think it's risky to see -- to -- for anyone of faith to go after somebody else's personal -- like that's the line that -- in the sand he didn't seem to want to draw. but i do think mike pence is so far on one side of the culture war that, you know, he can, to a certain extent, kind of set up that contrast. you know, chuck, you know democrats are constantly debating, well, even if we impeach trump, we would end up with mike pence. is that better or worse? i think some people see his policies are more far right than even the president. >> i think he really set up a strawman argument. there wasn't actually a fight between pence and pete buttigieg. i said it right. and that's really risky, i think. >> and i think that will be a fascinating debate going forward. that's all we have for today. thank you very much for watching. i really appreciate it. we'll be back next week because if it's sunday, it's "meet the press." needles.

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