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indiana. and later, chelsea handler stops by in the 8:00 hour to talk politics and her new book. tomorrow is tax day and the president will head to minnesota to tout his landmark tax law. not that far from omar's district, with whom he picked a fight on this weekend. meanwhile, the special counsel's redacted report is expected to be released at any hour. well after the april 2nd deadline. as for what's left out is a separate battle. at the same time, democrats are trying to get more and more financial documents related to the president. elijah cummings asking for government documents about the lease of the trump hotel in washington and asking an accounting firm about financial statements that the president gave as far back as 2011. the ones that michael cohen brought up during his hill

testimony. and then, of course, there are the president's taxes. the deadline for that request has come and gone, too. and now ways and means chair richard neil is again demanding them from the irs with a new deadline. already steve mnuchin is calling it arbitrary and when it comes to releasing the tax returns, the president's baseline message remains the same. >> while i'm under audit, i won't do it. if i wasn't under audit i would do it. >> there's no rule that would prohibit the release of a tax return because it's under audit. >> i'm not aware of such a rule. >> so what does all of this mean? democrats are trying to increase the pressure on the president, but so far no one is bending. with that i want to welcome in my panel for tonight, jake sherman, anna palmer.

they are the coauthors of the book "the hill to die on". also with me, msnbc contributor, betsy woodruff. senior washington correspondent kimberly atkins. and on the trail with pete buttigieg in south reporter fo washington post" and nbc political analyst robert costa. thank you for being here tonight. betsy, i want to start with you because as somebody who hangs out on capitol hill during the week i was excited we were going to have a couple weeks of recess here, but the reality is this is going to be the mueller show this week in washington. what are we expecting to learn at this point, coming up this week and what are we expecting is going to be left out? >> it depends on how enthusiastic of a redaction job bill barr did. he pick four categories of material to redact, including

material that could quote, unquote embarrass peripheral characters. and debending on how expansive he treats the redaction, this could be a lot of black boxes. if not, the question is going to be why mueller's team ended up being agnostic with whether or not they could charge trump with obstruction. we know they were confident there wasn't enough to charge with conspiracy with russia. but he wasn't confident enough to make a call on the obstruction question. so if there's redacted content we could expect that to be battled on the hill. >> what are your sources telling you going into this? are they confident thinking bill barr is going to protect them with the redactions or are they pretty nervous? >> talking to white house

officials over the weekend, they say the attorney general's letter to congress summarizing the mueller investigation has left president trump privately, and as we've seen even publicly, feeling very emboldened they also feel comfortable that their congressional allies, republicans in the house and senate are ready to go to political war to defend president trump. there may be some notes in this report that show the president's conduct to be inappropriate in the eyes of many democrats, some republicans, and some americans. but they believe republicans are so entrenched with president trump politically ahead of 2020 they'll go to the barricades if necessary. >> to this very point, jonathan swan is out with new reporting on the mood in the president's orbit. he writes two of the president's top advisers who will be handling the response to the mueller report were watching the masters -- weren't we all watching it? -- but by all accounts the

president himself is also taking a blah say approach. the subject has barely come up, if at all, in resent senior staff meetings according to two sources with direct knowledge. and in recent calls to "kasie dc" aides they've barely mentioned that. >> i think we have a lot of confidence going into this week, it may be foolhardy or not, we don't know yet. but what was splashed across the country in headlines was no collusion. you can't get anything better than that. so anything else that comes out you're going to see the president be pretty offensive and aggressive on this. they're ready to dispense with this and move on. >> what's the next play for democrats in congress? is there any possibility that bill barr could show them a report that they would be happy with? >> no. >> or is one line redacted gonna be too much? >> i think that's going to be

too much. but i think they have to walk a fine line here. you see nancy pelosi already talking about how she's calling the president to get infrastructure done. i think that democrats realize that they cannot rely on investigations in 2019 and 2020. they need to have a proactive agenda. and i think that the investigations are -- i think a lot of them feel like it's really a distraction. they have to figure out a way to proactively legislate because i think they feel like the polling shows that. and going forward -- i do agree with you. i think that the investigations -- sorry -- at large are going to be largely a distraction. >> what's your take, kimberly? >> i think that both democrats and the white house, one reason why they're probably feeling so comfortable right now is that i think for the most part

americans have already dug in on what they think about the mueller report. politically speaking. we know legally speaking that there's no there there. and i think largely the republicans are the folks who back the president, believe he was vindicated and the democrats believe they're going to hold onto every bit of evidence that we see that might have supported an obstruction charge and move forward with that. and it's really not going to move the needle one way or another, and in that way, it is a win for the president. because there was a thought that this would be something that was politically perilous for him. >> we didn't hear pete buttigieg, for example, on the trail talk about it. walk us through what you did from there, the priorities, and what you heard from voters what their priorities are. >> it's so revealing at times to get back on the campaign trail because here in south bend, indiana today, mayor pete buttigieg officially entering the 2020 race gave a speech

talking about generational change, the need for the democratic party to win votes back from president trump, did not talk about the mueller report, barely mentioned president trump by name. you see this from other democrats running for president like senator klobuchar. they're not focussed on the mueller report as much as people in washington are this week. instead believing voters need to hear a message of economic promise from democrats, solutions for the new economy rather than anything about robert mueller. >> that was my experience when i was on the campaign trail with amy klobuchar, voters wanted to talk about other issues. attorney general bill barr is someone known for choosing his words carefully. during a senate hearing on wednesday he chose to use one that sent shock waves through this town. >> we want to make sure that -- i think spying on a political

campaign is a big deal. >> so you're not -- you're not suggesting, though, that spying occurred? >> i don't -- well -- i guess you could -- i think there was -- spying did occur, yes. i think spying did occur. >> and a day later, the president, of course, made clear he was happy to hear that. >> i think what he said was absolutely true. there was absolutely spying into my campaign. i'll go a step further, in my opinion it was illegal spying, unprecedented spying. and something that should never be allowed to happen on our country again. >> if you're talking about legal technicaliti technicalities, perhaps spying and surveillance are the same thing but they get different reactions amongst folks that aren't lawyers and trying to keep up every day. >> when you're the attorney

general, legal technicalities are important. when they use a word like spying, that isn't a legal term to describe the way people whether or not now work under them did their cob jobs. that's something that drives the folks in the intelligence community crazy. and it feels like barr is carrying on trump's project of the quote/unquote deep state like it's a threat to his presidency and governance to the united states. >> and devin nunes is set to meet with barr? this has been his focus the entire time. even his republican colleagues, privately a lot of them raised a lot of questions about this. what do we know about the purpose of this meeting? >> clearly devin nunes is someone who's been putting forward some conspiracy theories, i think, pretty accurate to say the least for the last year or so when it comes to the russian investigation, he's been very,

very skeptical of it. i think the question is really going to be, are they going to be collaborators when you have a bill barr and devin nunes meeting? is there any light between the two of them? i think nunes is an effective advocate on the media circuit on these issues. >> quickly, republicans when you talk to them privately will say there is evidence of what barr was talking wiabout. >> they've been talking about using this exact verbiage for the last two years. so this is somebody picking up what the president wanted somebody to say for a long time now. this is a welcome sign from barr. >> betsy woodruff thank you for being here for your insights. still to come, cory booker makes it official. and mayor pete buttigieg

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the horror show in washington is mesmerizing, it's all consuming. but starting today, we're going to change the channel. sometimes the dark moment brings out the best in us, helps us find what is good in us. dare i say what is great in us. this afternoon are you not hopeful? do we not live in a country that can overcome the breakneleaknes challenging moment. you've had it with winter.

you and i have the chance to usher in a new spring. so with hopes in your hearts and fire in our bellies, let's get to work and let's make history! thank you. pete buttigieg mayor of south bend, indiana making history announcing his run for president alongside his husband kast kast kast chasten. we also have the president of the house majority pack and former campaign manager to hillary clinton in 2016, robby mook. thank you all for being here. bob i want to start with you because you were in the room for this announcement. you have seen a lot of these types of events over the years. what were your top take aways from the speech? we've all been watching from washington, there's been a lot of excitement building. we've seen jump ups in early

polls. was it the real deal on the ground? what was your take away? >> you heard some of the message from mayor buttigieg's speech but on the ground, the setting told the story, it was a former studebaker automobile assembly plant, a huge american flag along the side. you had people who travelled from around the country because of the historic nature of buttigieg. you have a lot of people inspired by his age, 37 years old, and veterans who were there who said his service in afghanistan as a naval intelligence officer inspired them to come out. this is a candidate that at any other time it would seem implausible. but everyone at the rally, buttigieg supporters to be sure said he wiped away the seen of implausibility through his appearances. and at this time versus a

candidate like president trump he has a shot. >> i think we can show folks the picture we put up on twitter of people waiting in line to get into this rally. this is a scene we're more used to seeing outside of trump rallies over and over and over again. did you feel this was the crowd we saw stacked up from 2016 from the president? >> it reminded me of trump rallies in this sense, it was often not in a major urban center, a city of 100,000 or 50,000, similar to south bend, indiana. just northeast of chicago. and this is the part of the country to flipped to president trump in 2016, michigan, wisconsin, ohio, pennsylvania, and that's what the democrats need to win back in 2020. you have voters attracted to pete buttigieg, he's had a

podcast tour. but you also saw he had has a working class base in this city. but can he expand this appeal nationally, especially in a crowded field. >> robby mook, someone who fought a campaign, has taken a lot of after the fact criticism in states that bob was talking about. how do you view the field, everyone seems glowingly excited about pete buttigieg, will that sustain? >> yeah, the analogy was made to jimmy carter early in the program. i think that's right. what buttigieg has going, this is a change election. every election in the past few cycles has been a change election. but among this crowd and cast of candidates, he stands out with a number of unique characteristics that embody that change. reality check for a second. we're less than a year out from any of these contests, he's

third in the polls in single digits. i think we have to take that in, but i think there's real potential here. if i were on his team right now, the one thing i'd be concerned about is you don't want to have so much glow on you when you you come into the debate it's not whether you have an oscar moment but people are let down when you don't have an oscar moment. >> setting expectations too high? . >> yes. this isn't a bipartisan election. they are building a base. so right now this is all good. get out there, put the tent cals out as far as you can, and that's what he's doing. >> what's your sense of the women in the race? there's been questions, are they getting covered -- they're all b's, buttigieg, beto, bernie. you ran hillary clinton's complain, how much of her loss

was because she was a woman. >> i don't think it's who you are, i think it's what you stand for. we get obsessed women want a woman candidate, they want a black or brown candidate. i think voters want a candidate that embodies the change they're looking for. women have a set of barriers running for office. i've worked for multiple women candidates. they have a set of barriers men don't face. it's everything from the way they look, what they wear, what their hair is like, makeup is like. >> how long it takes to get ready. >> a woman has to show up to the debate 90 minutes ahead, a man shows up 5 minutes ahead. but women are also expected to walk a tight rope. they need to be strong but not too dominating or indtimidating >> god forbid you come across as aggressive. >> exactly. it is challenging.

i think women are facing a tougher roader, given those barriers. i'm proud in the democratic party we're talking about the women candidates, not the woman can candidate. i think we've seen self-policing in the media already around this issue and i hope that continues. >> let's talk about another candidate in the race. tomorrow is tax day and bernie sanders said that's when he's releasing his tax returns. ahead of that, the vermont senator went on a five state tour of the midwest. holding event after event. as we mentioned, shaquille, you've been following the sanders campaign. you did some reporting on his trip. let's take a look. >> reporter: for years the democrat's blue wall was all but unbreakable in the midwest, until 2016. >> wisconsin donald trump won i it.

>> reporter: now bernie sanders is trying to tap into his grass roots network to rebuild it brick by brick. >> i am visiting not only michigan, but wisconsin, indiana, ohio, and pennsylvania. >> reporter: sanders is on a major road trip, driving over 1,000 miles to eight cities in five states. a mix of big rallies and small meetings. it's fertile ground for sanders where his anti-trade, pro-union stance shocked hillary clinton and the party in 2016. >> we just pulled off a major upset in michigan the other day. >> reporter: but this time he's no longer outside the main stream and no longer an underdog. >> some of what i have been saying may seem wrong but it's not. >> reporter: and he's visiting areas the president flipped, big and small. >> is it about the primary or the general? >> both. you can't win the general unless

you win the primary. we talked to the people that voted for trump, he mnd it turn out they're untrue. >> sanders will have company on this stretch of the trail. >> so great to be with you. >> so great to be in wisconsin. >> reporter: they see the same thing, trump's approval is down. 54% of wisconsin voters say they're probably planning to vote for someone else. and in the midterms democrats chalked up big wins in congressional races. yet some ask if a democratic socialist is the best path to victory. >> the word socialism alarms people and could interfere with his ability to be elect d. >> you don't have a centrist candidate is is it way to go for candidates? >> that's correct. >> i'm not 100% bernie, i'm still looking around. >> you were hillary in 2016 now

you're considering bernie? >> i am. in retrospect i think he could have beat trump and it's a disaster to have trump in office and i'll do what it takes to make sure trump is not re-elected. >> reporter: a party desperate to win with voters they lost. >> nice work, great reporting. interesting to hear from some of those voters there. i'm curious what your feel was on the campaign trail with bernie sanders. he was treated with a rock star at every stop when i was covering him. did you feel that was the case? you pointed to some people who were clearly still shopping for candidates. are all those people who loved bernie last time still with him or shopping around? >> you get a mix of supporters, the die hards that supported him in 2016 and are back in 2020. then you see those who see the

wide field of candidates and don't plan to make a decision until later in the process. they tell me they have time, they don't feel rushed to make a decision yet. sanders just wrapped up rally with 4,500 people here. we're in pittsburgh, you get a little bit of the big events and the small town halls. >> what's the deal with bernie sanders' tax returns? there's been some scrutiny, he joked you too can write a best selling book and become a millionaire? he's been out on the trail trashing millionaires and billionaires for as long as i can remember. >> right. you heard that comment and he down played the fact that these returns that the campaign says are going to come tomorrow, ten years worth, he down played the fact they're going to show he's a millionaire. as you mentioned he said he made a book. there's no crime in making money off a "new york times" best

selling book. tax returns will come out tomorrow at some point. in 2016 he released one year of returns. it showed you the difference that he has. he's coming out with the front runner status, he has more scrutiny this time around and the campaign plans on having more transparency. >> kimberly, i think that's called capitalism. >> yes, it most definitely is. >> seriously, bernie sanders belongs in the front runner tier of this race. what's your sense of how kind of he competes with joe biden, for example? >> look, you have folks like bernie sanders and joe biden who come in with the name recognition. that's why why you're seeing them perform early and well in polling. they're able to bring in fund-raising. it is early as robby pointed out and you're seeing a lot of energy from other places. the caveats i'm hearing for some democratics on bernie is there is the fear of overemphasizing socialism and a recognize that whoever the democratic nominee

is in order for them to beat donald trump they have to have a majority of minority voters. it will be a majority of people of color to come out in full force and get out that vote in order to win. and bernie sanders when you look at his rallies, there's still not the diversity there he needs to push forward and he needs to speak about those issues. the same with biden and buttigieg and everybody else. democrats can't just walk and chew gum, they have to walk, chew gum, juggle, and do a lot more. they can't just focus on the midwest, they have to focus on the best. it's still too early to see how it goes for the sanders campaign. when we return, there is a lot of talk on the 2020 campaign trail about leveling the playing field for americans. but this week in congress, a freshman member confronted the ceo of the nation's largest bank. katie porter is a single mom and

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welcome back. freshman congresswoman katie porter of california made a name for herself during the 2018

midterms by becoming the first democratic in history to represent the state's 41st district. now the former law professor is gaining more notoriety for her tough questioning during hearings. congresswoman it's great to have you on the program. >> thank you so much. >> so to start out, i want to show -- this was a moment i think really broke through with a lot of americans, my parents actually recently asked me about it. this was your questioning of jamie diamond, one of the most powerful men in american banking. take a look. >> should $2,425 a month. she rents a one bedroom apartment. she and her daughter sleep together in the same room. that apartment is $1,600. spents $400 on utilities. she drives a 2008 mini van has gas, $400 for car expenses and

gas, net 325. a low food budget is $400. that leaves her $77 in the red. she has a cricket cell phone, the cheapest she can get for $40. she's in the red $117 a month. she has afterschool child care, that's 450 a month. that takes her down to negative $567 per month. my question for you, mr. diamond is, how should she manage this budget short fall while she's working full time at your bank? >> i -- i don't know that all your numbers are accurate. that number is generally a starting job -- >> she's a starting employee. >> she can get those jobs out of high school. she may have my job one day. >> she doesn't have the ability right now to spend your $31 million. she's short 567. what would you suggest she do?

>> i don't know. i'd have to think about that. >> would you recommend she take out a j.p. morgan chase credit card and run a deficit? >> i don't know. i'd have to think about it. >> would you recommend she overdraft at your bank and be charged fees. >> i don't know. i'd have to think about it. i'd love to call up and have a conversation about her financial affairs. >> see if you can find a way for her to live on less than the minimum i described. >> just be helpful. >> what i'd like you to do is provide a way for families to make ends meet. >> congresswoman, a way to approach this questions that we have not frankly seen as much from members of congress in recent years, what made you decide to take that tact and were you satisfied with the ceo's answers? >> the questions i asked is really one that reflects an understanding of what it's like to be an everyday american in

this country. for a long time congress has been dominated by people who are wealthy, older, had power. i'm a single mom. i represent irvine, california and there are a lot of folks in my district struggling to make ends meet. so the question i put to mr. diamond is a question millions of americans have to ask themselves every month, what can we cut? because we don't earn enough to pay for rent and the bare necessities. i wasn't satisfied with his answers. he said he would think about it. two days after that hearing they announced record profits so i hope they'll return the profits to the bank to the hardworking employees making the bank profitable. >> on friday he defended the $15.70 wage they have. he said it's not an arms race with competitors to raise that.

it speaks to the system and the way our businesses are set up. what are the policy changes that need to happen to help people like the one you described in this hearing? >> i think one issue that that woman that we described, the kind of composite low income worker is facing is the high cost of housing, that's something mr. diamond could do something about in his role as ceo of j.p. morgan chase. a lot of income is chewed up by rental payments or mortgage payments. so investing more in housing finance system or costs, would be a big help. another problem is the high cost of child care. so those are two things i think from the cost side we could address. i would say back to mr. diamond when he says it's not a competition. it is. capitalism is based on competition. to the extent bank of america is stepping up and paying more. if mr. diamond wants to compete for the best talent in the marketplace he should step up

his wages as well. >> one other topic that stood out to you and we took notice of. the question of the president's taxes, i want to show you what sarah sanders, the white house press secretary had to say about these tax returns. take a look. >> the only reason that the oversight committee has the ability to request someone's taxes are for the purpose of determining policy. this is all about political partisanship, this is a dangerous road. and frankly, chris, i don't think congress, particularly this group of congressman and women are smart enough to look through the thousands of pages that i would assume president trump's taxes would be. >> what do you say back to sarah sanders? are you smart enough to look through the tax returns? >> i think i am and i think i was elected by the american people to do that. it's our duty to look at the president's tax returns. that's why the law requires that

the tax returns be released. i think i've shown in my questioning to be bright and willing to do the hard work. i'm not intimidated to do the hard work that's put in front of me. >> i'd be interested to see what questions you came up with based on those returns. thank you for taking the time tonight, congresswoman. >> thank you. we'll go blow-by-blow through all the president's ideas to stem the crisis at the border. s ideas to stem the crisis at the border ...we're open just pass the ball! no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with geico. yea. [quartet singing] shoot the j! shoot, shoot, shoot the jaaaaaay... believe it! geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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welcome back. we said we were going to talk about immigration but we're going to throw those sculripts out. because we've been having an interesting story on this ap story, the president's election

campaign is set to announce they raised $30 million in the first quarter of 2019. we were raising questions about how much he has spent to date because that rate of spending tends to be important as well. we don't seem to have a question at this point. robby, you worked for hillary clinton. the democrats together have raised less i think than hillary, at least the top couple than hillary did. >> she raised 45 her first quarter, it was a lot. it was more than trump did. i don't know how trump feels about that. maybe we should get a reaction from him. >> he's a sitting president. >> but in all seriousness, the number one strategic advantage for incumbent presidents, and it's why they tend to win, in the spring when the opposing party's nominee is coming up for air out of that primary, they can come in with the death star

and pomle them that's what obama did and george w. bush did. they can do that because they have the financial advantage and the time to think about a strategy. hopefully this won't be, but the democratic will be gasping for air. it could happen. you bring up the spend rate. donald trump's spend rate has been alarming but it may be the right thing to do. he's trying to build this big list so at the point the campaign engages, he can go out and make a case and raise a lot of money quickly. if he goes in with 1$100 millio in the bank he has what he needs to take advantage of the dynamic. >> to play devil's advocate. republicans just raised $100 million to keep the house, they were unsuccessful. think about this, if republican donors are willing to give $100 million to keep the house, a president who's under

investigations and under duress, what are they going to be putting up there. the intensity is going to be higher, that would be my guess. i think the intensity is going to be there for donald trump. >> carey dan, one of our colleagues lists the totals and the number of days they had. the president had the full 90 days. bernie sanders raised 18.2 million in 42 days. if he continues to raise at that same rate, he is in theory, potentially outraising the president. >> and we have this wide open democratic primary season right now with all of these candidates where people might be holding so far, and maybe giving to multiple candidates. it's spread out in a way that the president's are concentra concentrated. >> how many are there? 20? >> 18 official, i guess. with the possibility for a

handful more. >> it may change this hour. >> it's a different metric and it's early. remember, donald trump didn't rely on spending in the early parts of his campaign. he relied on the media. its a an entirely different game. >> thank you both for being here tonight. in our next hour i'm joined by congressman tim ryan, who is you guessed it, running for president. but first, "the hill to die on," a book chalked full of previously unreported scenes. that's coming up next on "kasie dc." next on "kasie dc." let's be honest.

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jake sherman and anna palmer are co-authors of the political playbook. now they are co-authors of the mill to die on. the battle of congress and the future of trump's america. it is the product of 26 months of reporting on the relationship with one scene early on in the administration seems like a perfect distillation of that relationship. quote, when senator john mccain visited the white house early in the administration, he was in the midst of telling trump about military procurement reform, a

long-time passion of his. jared kushner said, don't worry, mccain, we will clang the way the entire thing works. mccain responded, good luck, son. the norms of the capitol were completely lost on trump's organization. jake and anna, i can't tell you that story how many times i have lived the results of that attitude day in, day out on the hill. >> i think we were inspired to write this book because donald trump changed candidates, changed election, thinking they were coming to washington and change the way it works. in a town steep in history and rules and everybody follows them. this is sort of the clash of those two sides coming up against each other who is going to win, who is going to lose? >> jake, what surprised you in the course of writing, you have been coming to capitol hill for the long time, truly you learned

some things you were taken aback. >> how open people were and to share their her tory of congress. our theory is there would be a lot of reporting on the presidency, what the president thought and he was thinking. as you know, members of congress often have better stories and hair more revealing. our theory was to turn the lens around and talk to members of the congress every day not every day, but every week and hear their theory of the case, what they were thinking as big decisions were being made and as legislative crises that we are living all the time are unfolding. >> a lot of our viewers, if question -- the question i get from people how sit they can do with this president, the senate, why is it that they never break with him? why is it that they are watching these norms kind of unfold. what is your answer to this question? >> most people go home and find constituencies more supportive

of the president than they r. i think the country is so gerrymandered and districts are so partisan that the house of representatives has turned into a place where you couldn't be close enough with the president. i think there is no room, no political incentive to break with the president. i think republicans are finding that up and down the house of representatives. >> anna, you covered this town wholistically, how would you answer that same question? >> i think that's right. what we are starting to see in the senate among republicans, on these issues, whether that's a national emergency, whether we just have a federal reserve where you are seeing the senate act as a bit of a check to the president, but i think everybody in this town it's about getting power, obtaining power, getting more power. i think that is a lot that happens we re-election. so everybody is seeing about their flexibility. the president has strong percentages in terms of the his popularity. >> you can't win with him. you can't win without him. jake and anna's excellent book

"the hill to die on." another hour of kcdc is still ahead. i will talk to comedian and activist casey chandler about her new book. and our producer has been watching "game of thrones" all week and still found time to watch the sunday shows so you don't have to.

. president trump threatens to send migrants detained at the board tore so-called sanctuary cities where his immigration policies are most unpopular. only hours before the white house official said the idea had been rejected. where does it stand right now? >> we have to look at all the options. this is one of them. >> nobody thinks this is an ideal situation. >> there is a political move for the president. >> this is his manufacture mid-chaos on the border. >> you can't look at the numbers and deny we have a crisis. >> if democrats would step under and help the president fix the laws, this can call go the same way. >> the president does not seemed concerned that it might not be entirely legal. >> i don't know if it's legal or illegal. maybe he's saying this to make everybody crazy. >> washington is preparing for the expected release of the full mueller report interest how much of it will we actually see? >> we need to see the full report. >> the attorney general when he started talking completely without evidence as he said without spying.

>> there is legal spying or illegal spying. >> spying is a loaded word. >> we know the special counsel report does not reach a conclusion. >> there was no occlusion. there was no obstruction. >> i don't know how you can interpret that any other way than exoneration. >> we should see and judge for ourselves. >> i think the bigger thing for the white house is not the mueller report, it's what's going on in new york. >> welcome back to the second hour of kcdc joining me on set, msnbc contributor sam stein and shauna thomas and former spokesman for the former speaker of the house john boehner michael steel. as president trump continues to bust through the norms of the presidency and test the limits of executive power, it is worth remembering something that senior policy adviser steven miller said when the administration was just three weeks old. >> our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we if into take further actions that the powers of the president

to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. >> the president has shown us time and time again that he sides with miller when it comes to the power he should be able to wield. even over some of the got's least political institutions. this week, he continued his attacks and pushlged dhs of officials who refused to baugs break the law and confirmed a report he is considering releasing migrants detained at the border in sanctuary cities. last week, he reportedly told acting dhs secretary kevin mca le lean -- mcaleenan to close the border. he dean denied that tweet. with steven miller in mind, take a look at the president talking about u.s. immigration laws just on friday. >> we're doing the best we can.

there are very bad laws. we have to change the laws. we have horrible old fashioned laws put in by the democrats. we're willing to change them. i used to say 45 minutes. we can do it in 15 minutes, whether it's cash and release or chain migration or any of them. the asylum laws are absolutely insane. >> so sam stein this really does seem like a president who doesn't want to follow the laws that exist. >> yeah, that's pretty much it. i think what this week has shown two things, one is an authoritarian pulse he has, the idea he would pardon somebody who respects checks and balances and the law in this country. two and i think this is sort of the macropicture have failed or his intent versus failed. what he wanted is to stem the tide of immigration into this country. build a wall that mexico would pay for to do it. none of that has happened, we do

not have a wall and mexico isn't paying for it and migration into this country is on the rise. he's lashing out and trying to implement policy in other ways. he is doing this authoritarian thing where he will bust people at the sanctuary city. so those are my two take aways from this i also say it's interesting to see what happens when kerr sen nkirstjen nielsen leaves? i am wonder if the next itvation worse. >> that seems where we are headed to. >> i want to say, there is an acknowledgment that congress makes laws. some of the things overturned by courts are in still court battles or whatever, is not something he can do individually. so i understand what you are saying about the authoritarian thing. the blame of congress.

>> it's also a reminder, he loves congress. >> let's be honest. >> it's a reminderer he gets a deal that would have exchanged protection for the dreamers for building something that looked like a border wall on our southern border. he is dealing with the outcome of his own mistake and the fact that he had the opportunity for two years, to unify the republican control of the house and senate. nancy pelosi doesn't want to make that deal. no one wants to make that deal now. they want to beat him. that's where he is right now. this is the frustration he feels, he screwed up. he missed the opportunity. >> now he started as an opportunity. schumer wasn't willing to do it. >> mike, mitch mcconnell came out and said okay if we want to talk about fixing our asylum laws, i'm down to have a bipartisan conversation. what do you read into a the fact that he made that statement. who is he making that statement for? is there any world there is

congressional action on this. >> i think he was making that for republicans in more moderate states in 2020. corey gardner in colorado. tom tillis-on-in north carolina, maine. i think there was a universe where you could get some bipartisan agreement on for example a dreamers for a wall deal, for something that recognizes the situation on our southern border is very different than it was ten years ago. we're not talking about single men looking for economic opportunity. we're talking about families coming up in general fear for their lives, given the chaos in our countries. there may be changes in asylum that make sense. there may be alocations adjusted, right now given the way he has enflamed this issue to the points democrats tend to not admit there is a crisis for fear to give credit to president

trump. i don't see a way we can get real support on this issue. >> there are calls to relieve the pressure on the border. they required camps or judges toed a judd indicate these digs i situatio -- situation. it was sparking the migration in the first place. those are the types of policies, while they may seem sensible to a vast majority of people will not fly with the anne coulters of the world or steven millers of the world. what she resorting to his own limbs type situation. where he will bust people from the board tore sanctua-- bordery cities. they can increase amnesty. have you people crossing the border and ending up in localities that they won't be deported. >> he also presents this, shauna, in a way that is so is obviously political.

if his real goal is to reduce illegal immigration, which he says in his rallies is his goal this policy doesn't do that it does the opposite of that. >> no, we have talked to asylum psychers on the border who basically have said through whatever convoluted way that in some of these countries in the northern triangle. what they've heard is, hey, a wall might go up. it's tougher. the information travels all around the world or who is talking or in what language f. they hear on top of it. this is how you can seek asylum. pause they have incredible fear about their lives, they will sends to you san francisco. i mean, i think in some ways it would encourage people. >> indeed. >> can you talk about this, too in the context of 2020 election campaign? michael steel, because this is going to be a tough spot for

democrats to be in, in a general election. they have to fight a primary first, how do you see that playing out? >> i think it's an issue or two dimensions. one, if are you the president and want to run on promises made, promises kept, the wall is the most glaring wall of the first term of his pregnancy. democrats are going to have to thread the needle to appease the base of their party, which is if generally this open borders, tear down the fences where they exist, welcome everyone with hugs and kisses, which is not where the bulk of the american people are, and you can't beat trump if he concedes the middle ground on this issue. >> sam. >> we know trump is going to run on this. he always runs on caravans, mike grant fears. there is time. i do see your point that there is an inclination for democrats to kind of rush to the left

flank right now. >> that said, i'm not sure where they fall on this. the case study i would point to beto o'rourke. here is a guy running in the state and saying what you are doing is demonization. he did well. so. >>s that also a different setting. he has a much different experience. >> will you have a galvanizing message to do that or will you turn off rustbelt voters who fear taking over their jobs? >> in a much different way to do anything on immigration reform. is you have so many senators running for president. who do not want to align with the guy they are hoping to be in 2020. you have that problem. there is also worth mentioning in this conversation about bussing immigrants to sanctuary cities that there is an inherent idea that those people are a

problem i believe giggly referred to them as these people. right? it's these cities, if democrats want these people. there is something that makes me cringe when i hear someone talk about that most of the people as michael pointed out, it's not necessarily drug dealers or smugglers, it is also these families of people looking for a better life and i don't think we should necessarily look at them in a derogatory way. >> yeah. >> i think that's something that kind of overlays and imbues this entire conversation we are talking about, this president. >> it is something i can say. you can speak to this. the at one part in time, the republican party was of different opinions on this, the evangelical committee was in support of immigration reform precisely because they were seeking asylum. they were the most vulnerable

society and traditional america was cupping the articles. >> the business community come here. >> the coalition that trump has built. maybe they feel that way. they do not express it. it does not come out in the usual discourse. >> there was a long-time view the future lay in recreating a map that george w. bush used in 2004. be competitive in the inner mountain west. win states like mexico and colorado. >> that requires winning a special amount of latino votes. there were others in the republican party who believed there were enough old white people in the rust belt to win and those of us on the pro latino more outreach side. >> some for jeb bush in 20 sten. >> you might win one more time and doom the party for a generation. we may both have been right. >> the point about beto, one thing i noticed, when he went to

iowa, he brought a messages that focused on countering on immigration. that's a contrafrt to the way amy klobuchar, pete buttigieg are approaching it. >> in some ways you have to define how are you going to do it? i can't fault beto o'rourke for saying, hey, i have to sound differently than amy klobuchar. everyone is trying to make a decision. if everyone sounds the same, who will you vote for, the person that has he most name r recogniti recognition? you have to get past the bernie and biden test. if he has a somewhat clear message on that at least he sounds different. >> i do think there are two times of contrast that democrats can make with trump. one is a policy contrast. which is more tricky. the other is a rhetorical contrast, i'm not financial to talk about them like their human bar gage or threats. we are altogether. that's a more effective contrast

i think for him to make. it might not be for others to make. it is a way to contrast yourself with trump on non-policy grounds. >> there is a message. a lot of democrats are trying to break through, stand out. many don't have a path to the nomination that's very easy to see. >> to an extent the west is an arguability. nancy pelosi contacts the sergeant in arms over ilhan omar's safety. first, congressman tim ryan is probably the only candidate for president who wrote a book on mindfulness meditation. it is going to take a lot of focus and deep breathing to make it through the crowded field, which just expanded by three this weekend. he will join me live to talk about his campaign up next. o tak about his campaign up next the unmistakable lexus is. lease the 2019 is 300 for $329 a month for 36 months. experience amazing at your lexus dealer.

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welcome back. joining me now democratic congressman from ohio and presidential candidate tim ryan. sir, it's great to have you on the program. >> thanks for having me. >> so you are one of many, i think i was told 18 candidates. i'm not going to lie. i have to look it up every time. we've had swalwell, booker, buttigieg officially join the race today. what's your rational for being such a part of a big field. >> rehabilitate the middle class. get some energy back into the idea of giving people sought good solid employment, good

solid healthcare. focusing on the bread and butter issues of allowing people and families and communities to thrive. i think people are so tired of just surviving of being barely able keep their head above water. student loan debt, healthcare, all of these things. it's time for to us get ourselves ready to thrive as a country and to get a good solid middle class going again. >> i take your point and i realize that you know that's kind of the focus of your message. we are hearing that from many of the other candidates in the field. elizabeth warren has focused on big institutions in her field, for example. bernie sanders talks about all these policy ideas that have driven a lot of the democratic policy making going forward west virginia differentiates you in focusing on this from all of these other candidates? >> well, i have been watching my whole life you know northeast ohio watching us fail to address the major economic issues, trying to play the old game.

just like president trump did. we're going to open up the steel mills, we're going top up the coal mines. i'm talking about the future jobs, the ones around electric vehicles, additive manufacturing, where we will create 3-to-5 million of jobs over the next ten years. you look at electric vehicles, we will go from 2 million to 30 million electric vehicles i want those vehicles made in the united states. i want the batteries made in the united states. the electrical charging stations made in the united states. it's the president of the united states' responsible to galvanize, organize and make sure that the private sector as well as the government is all pushing in the same direction and then cut these workers in on the deal. but right now, china owns 40% of the electric vehicle mark. we should do the same thing around solar. china owns 60% of the solar market. i will be the president to make sure we have a united front.

we dominate the industries into communities of color that have fallen back the last 30 or 40 years. >> do you think, sir, there is a crisis at the southern boarder? >> well, i think it is and i think that the president has caused it. to be quite honest with you. he has failed to address the issues in central america. quite frankly, the president is lazy. he doesn't read his presidential daily briefing. he ignored this problem. we want presidents to deal with the root of the problems. central america is amess and we aren't doing nothing to stabilize that region. there is not even an ambassador in honduras. you look at venezuela, there is not an embassy ambassador there. this president need to set the phone down and rolling up his sleeves and getting to work.

he is lazy. it will take work to stop it. yeah, we got problems at the border now, because he's failed to do his job the last two years. >> do you think our asylum laws should be adjusted or they're fair as they are? >> we need comprehensive reform. i think we are a strong enough country to where a mother with babies comes to our border seeking asylum from a country that has gangs running the country. i think we're a strong enough country to accept them into our country. we should also be trying to prevent it and stable a iz the countries they are coming from. they don't necessary i-- owe necessarily have to come here. here's the deal, we can be both strong on border security. i'm say i'll be stronger than president trump is and smarter than him using technology and getting people into a process to come into the country.

we also want to make sure we are preventing drugs from coming into the country. we have a heroin epidemic in ohio. so you have to stop drugs and terrorists coming in. at the same time you can have a compassionate system around asylum seekers and people that want to come into the united states. >> sir, to switch gearings, one of your colleagues, congresswoman ilhan omar of minnesota made a series of comments first of all about jewish people condemned by your colleagues and more than recently she made a conversation in a speech 9/11. her team says she was taken out of context. the president put out a video about this on twitter, that escalated this argument with her. what is your view on how she has handled this? did you think her comments were inappropriate and you know do you think that the president is

contributing to this sense of violence and threatening the atmosphere that surrounds her now? >> yeah, her previous comment. not the most recent one. i did ask her to apologize for that. she's a new member of congress. she said she was going to make a mistake. she was going to do better. she is learning as she goes. i take her at her word she was trying to do better. this last thing i saw i saw nothing in there that was incendiary. i think it's an opportunity for donald trump to discriminate against muslims and to try to scare people. this woman said nothing in that speech. in fact, if you read through the entire speech, at the end, she talks about the value, the american values and why her family came to the united states. so for the president of the united states, this isn't a guy signature on a bar stool in a town somewhere in the america. this is the president of the united states that's intentionally trying to

discriminate, put up muslims as to maket look like they're all terrorists. this is nonsense. this is not how you heal our country. this is not how you lead. i know no leaders, coaches, athletes, ceos, the head of the rotary club will do better than president trump as far as brigg people together. this is ridiculous. >> finally sir, as we wrap up here. back the your own campaign for president, several of your rivals have said they will not take big dollar donations or at least not hold fundraisers to take in text and they will not take money from pacs. are those commitments are you willing to make as well? >> you know what i've never made commitments of that i have a long record of not being in the pocket of corporate america. but i think we need to work with everybody. we need the business community. look in this business, if taking a contribution from somebody,

somehow gives your judgment cloudy, i think are you in the wrong business. you need to be able to tell people no regardless. i'm looking for low dollar donors to support me. you can go to tim ryan for government if you want. >> i can't. >> you have a lot of friends. tell sam stein. c'mon, sam, open up that wallet. >> no way, man. >> all right. congressman tim ryan, thank you so much for your time. it's always great to have you in the program. >> thanks, casey. when we continue, we talked about the congressman picking a fight with ilhan omar. we will talk about that with the panel when we come back. we will talk about that with the panel when we come back.

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at least give us some latitude on this remain in mexico policy. so many of the liberals want the illegal migrants to remain in america. why not remain in mexico while your claims of asylum is being processed. this is something our secretary and cabinets brokered with mexico. it's safe passage for those families and unaccompanied minors to remain in mexico while their claims of asylum are being

processed. i think most of the rhetoric there week, respectfully, came from the other side. you have this anti-semitic congressman with members of her own party now saying something happened to someone. >> no, no, no, i know what you are trying to do here. i want to go back to why the president is trying to brow beat the democrats to come over. that's no way to get a compromise, even mitch mcconnell is saying enough of this already. >> comments from kellyanne conway immigration comments suddenly veer into ilhan omar's comments. this week the president posted a video of the freshman congresswoman's comments intercut with video of the world trade center towers. speaker nancy pelosi tonight says quote the presidents words weigh a a on the and his hateful and inflammatory rhetoric creates real danger. president trump must take down

his dangerous video. sam stein this has snowballed. ilhan omar's team feels the clip that was played that resulted in the new york post cover is something taern out of context. because she referred to terrorists a few sentences before. on the same time, i have spoken to a firefighters who is upset what she said. >> yeah, i don't think people want to disrespect people i don't think the congresswoman was either. i think the video clip was clearly taken out of context. i don't think she was trying to downplay the significance of the terrorist attacks. what's happening here is a fairly obvious thing. which is they are trying to take three fe mail male freshmen, democratic women of color and turn them into the defining issue of the 2020 campaign and to the degree that they have been able to actually coerce the democrats, themselves, into apologizing and voting on this

stuff and back pedaling away, they have been incredibly successful. this is a, it's a cynical, somewhat gross, but strategically smart move by republicans and by the democratic party on these lines. it's amazing. >> even if you will sort of agreed that representative omar had misspoke or had not said the right thing, that also is dimini diminishing what 9/11 is, too. >> that number one is an issue. i think number two you sort of hit it on the head that when you attack women of color in congress who are new members of congress, that does feel like an affront to a larger group of people. the cdc is going to have a conference call about this tomorrow. the head of the cbc put out a statement talking about you know

we expect our leaders to not spew hate and i just -- this is the basis part of politics and it's kind of terrible in that way. >> that doesn't mean omar doesn't have to realize as a member of congress, she does have to speak in a certain way and it doesn't mean she can't be authentic and express her views and back them up. it means everything you say is on tape and can be taken out of context and have you to be ready for that that is a chance she has to learn. >> the larger point she was making, i know you done dispute is they took an instance of a horrible thing taken and co-opted and use aed to create an anti-muslim movement in america. in reality the reactions by trump has proven her point. people have co-opted the moment and turned it into something about her. it's really not fair about her. she wasn't fair to downplay

9/11. they managed to make it about what they have said. >> they have done that successfully. you viewing president trump's action, is a fool's errand. she didn't have one, but, from a purely political tactical point of view. this is a strategy. if you were trying to discredit the democratic party, the democratic socialist party of america, whatever you want to call it, discredit that in the eyes of middle america main stream voters, that these are really effective tactics. >> that doesn't make them right. i don't think nancy pelosi is handling this very well. criticizing the president and not managing her caucus to avoid an inflammatory mistake and lit hurt 2020 democrats. >> something i noticed, which reminded me of 2016 a little bit is the conversation within the democratic party is exactly how nancy pelosi is handling this. what i'm reminded of people in

the bernie-hillary orbit was talking about how each side was treating each other. essentially what trump has doesn't masterfully is turned the democratic party in and on themselves. now it's sufficiently supportf of omar. the 2016 election sent chel se handler to therapy. now she is opening up about all of the intimate details and she will join me on set coming up next on kcdc.

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on a windy night in the fall of 2016, chelsea handler was lying in bed, watching netflix and feeling good about this state of the world. she writes in her new memoir, i couldn't believe how lucky my life had turned out, how many of my dreams had come true, and also my good fortune in being alive during this time in history, the year we were going to elect our first female president. things turned out differently, donald trump was elected. handler was so stunned she embarked on a year of therapy and self restriction. she chronicles in her book. life will be the death of me and you too. welcome to the show.s different

of the material that you have, a lot of people know you for, pretty personal. what made you decide to do this now, to kind of let the world in the way you did? >> i had a really difficult time with the election. i had a mental you know i had a real moment of my outrage was very, very high. i could not harness it. i wanted to. i wanted to harness it into something positive and i went to see a psychiatrist because i thought you know i didn't know my anger might be representative of another time in my life and this happened to use a very l.a. word which is a trait trigger for me, which it was for so 'people in this country. i wanted to figure out what i was really upset about or i learned what i was really upset about and the instability of this administration really represented to me what happened during my childhood. i lost my brother and subsequently my life fell apart

after that. for me it was about digging deep to find some optimism and hoeflness and not go crazy for this buffoon and to really tap into something so i'm not in a state of reaction. i'm in a state of action and sharing me story and the deep pain i have shut off as a 9-year-old girl allow mid-tow tap into so many things of my personality and why this was a terrible time for me and how entitled and spoiled i was and that take a real look and understand why this outcome could be a possibly instead of moaning about it to put something out in the world that gives people hope. that's why i shared it. i made a career of oversharing, why not overshare the good stuff? >> fair enough. >> so do you feel like the therapy worked in the context of the election? >> i'm fixed the. >> you don't mind trump in the

white house? >> i'm here in d.c., i know he's here, probably, who knows. it helped me deal with the idea that trump is just a person. he is not you know we have bigger problems we need to focus on. i want to be a thought leader. i want to be somebody who can move people to do the right thing and think the right wade and really self examine and be responsible because i want to be better. i think the great thing that has come out of this administration is so many people have put their boots on the ground to make so many things happen and so many coalitions have been formed. between women, minority groups, marginalized groups. the unification of us coming together is what keeps me optimistic. i think we all need to get on board about being hopeful what could possibly be happening next when we get somebody great. >> you were on the trail, are you going to get on the trail in 2020? >> probably. i would like to take a break between now and then. that was horrible.

i don't know how anyone does their job in this day that we are living in. yeah, i hit the pavement hard for the mid-terms and so did millions of people and we got the results for the democratic party we were so happy to see what our constituents look like in this country rather than old white guys, because there is not enough of them, apparently. and so yeah, that's where i'm at. i feel better. i feel healthier. i learned to meditate and focus on the things that will bring me joy. >> i think i can learn a lot from you actually. >> don't say that, i'm not teaching anybody. i'm sharing, i'm sharing. >> so do you think the country is ready for a woman president? >> well, listen, if donald trump was the result of electing a black man and the result of barack obama. we need to go back around and get something like buttigieg. i'm saying it slowly i

eventually it will be fluid. >> paint it on the wall. >> so i saw his feature earlier today. that's inspirational, aspirational. it's everything that should be the answer to donald trump, a man like donald trump. so i don't want to get involved until it's close and if i'm needed and valuable, then, yes, i want to be there. >> what does it come down to joe biden, for example? >> i don't think that, yes, i don't think that blowing in someone's hair and making someone uncomfortable. they're allowed to be uncomfortable, of course, is i? i that diminishes real sexual assault survivors and people who have been through something that they won't recover from without a lot of therapy. i think it feels like we're all aiming at each other now and you know, it's not productive and it's not helpful. so, it's disappointing. i wish we could the democratic party could be tougher.

because we're dealing with a tough situation. it calls for toughness. >> you mentioned that you are looking for kind of the opposite of trump if we will swing back against him. do you think that is potentially a white man or what do you think of amy cloeb choklobuchar, kame? >> i like keir seven e sten gillibrand -- kirsten gillibrand. i like them all. ap man on a ticket would be great. i'm not that invested in that right now. i mean i care. >> you sort of learn to disinvest? >> i watched the 24-hour news cycle, as much as i love you, i tune in and get going, because there have been days where i would just sit there waiting for the shoe to drop like they're going to be dragging trump out of the white house in his boxers. like any minute, it's going to happen, it's going to happen. >> that would be a seeming replay on repeat for sure.

>> it's in my head so i can loan it to you. >> fair enough. i think buttigieg said that in his speech. have you as to look away from that horror freak show. is that what you had to do? >> i had to look away. i thought i was already self involved enough. i had to become less self involved. i read somewhere in order to look at someone else, you need to clean out your own injuries. >> that made me think, if you are an unhealthy person, you can't do that healthy stuff and campaign or make speeches. so i needed to get myself together. i dade lot of work. i feel great about it. i feel so much better and calmer and i can breathe ago en. >> interesting. finally, i have to ask you about your dogs, i believe they are on the cover with you? >> they are. >> i'm a dog lover, i don't know what i would do without my dog. >> did they help you get through

all of this? >> he's really dense and bernice, you know, i kind of, they didn't help get me through it. they're definitely now they're on my anger has subsided to a degree and it's not at a 10 every day, the dogs interestingly enough are much more interested in hanging out with me. >> they like you better. >> before that they were going to my cleaning lady, oh, no, she's back. the screaming. >> they say in washington if you want a friend in washington. get a dog. >> i'm halfway there. >> chelsea handler, the book is "life will be the death of me and you too." thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> we will have much more kvdc in just a moment. e much more kvc in just a moment let's be honest.

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the states of iowa and nebraska sustained billions of dollars in flood damage this winter. in iowa, there has been a half billion dollars in damage to homes alone. and federal relief has not yet been approved. a point that the vice president underlined this week. >> iowa is an important place. every time there is a presidential election coming up.

so if you see senator elizabeth warren, if you see senator amy klobuchar, if you see senator corey booker and others come to iowa asking for your vote, you ought to ask them why they voted against disaster assistance for iowa, okay? because it is time to -- there will be plenty of time for politics when 2020 comes around. right now, iowa needs disaster assistance. it's time for congress to act. [ applause ] >> the senators voted against the bill saying that it didn't have enough money for hurricane relief in puerto rico. let's remember there are still americans there waiting on disaster relief. you know, this kind of funding used to be fairly straightforward in congress. in the wake of hurricane katrina the bills to help them passed

nearly unanimously changed. but things changed during hurricane sandy. there was a hangover, especially among northern republicans when hurricane harvey happened. >> a lot of people are pointing out that you voted against aid for sandy after that catastrophic storm up in the northeast, that package back in 2012. and they're pointing at you and saying you are asking for money now when you weren't willing to help the people in the northeast. what do you have to say to them? >> well, you know, look, there is time for political sniping later. i think our focus -- >> it is not really political sniping senator. these are people that needed funding after the storm. i covered those people. many of them lost absolutely everything they owned. >> well, katie, of course that's right. and the accurate thing to say is that i and a number of others

enthusiastically and emphatically supported hurricane relief for sandy. hurricane relief and disaster relief has been a vital federal role for a long, long time and it should continue. the problem with that particular bill is it became a $50 billion bill that was filled with unrelated stuff. two-thirds of that bill had nothing to do with sandy. and what i said then and still believe now is it is not right for politicians to exploit a disaster when people are hurting to pay for their own political wish list. >> top government scientists warned changes to our global climate will deepen catastrophes in the week to come. when we come back, what to watch for in the week ahead. k ahead. because new memories start with dusting off old ones. feel the clarity and live claritin clear.

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before we go, let's talk about what you are watching in the week ahead. i feel like there is only one answer to this question. >> i'm so grateful to go first. right? obviously, you have to watch for the mueller report. it is coming. i'm waiting for it. i'm hydrating. you got to get ready for it, so that's what i'm watching for. >> assuming it is not mueller time this week, i want to watch the president's speech on tax reform to see if it is actually on tax reform. this is his signature success. the economy is going gang busters. he's got to find a way to take credit for a booming economy, and this is his latest offer. >> shawn? >> mine is a combination of both. president trump will be in the

district in minnesota tomorrow. and also, you know, with mueller, everyone wants to know why not obstruction of justice and what was his -- what was his reasoning for it. so mueller, mueller, mueller, mueller. >> you are saying that. >> we have the rights to. >> that's going to do it for us tonight here on casie d.c. coming up next, richard engel sitting with steve bannon. on assignment with rich challenchaengel is coming up next coming up next . tonight we're on assignment in rome, meeting the pope's most dangerous critic. >> nobody else has stepped up to do it. >> and we discover how russian trolls turned americans on each other. >> did you feel like, i got had?

>> i didn't know what it