i feel better knowing she's there. our hearts and prayer are with the people of paris. mtv daily starts right now. >> hello, nicolle. happy tuesday. if it is tuesday there's the president's rhetoric and there's thursday's reality. good evening. i'm chuck todd in washington. we'll get to the escalating fallout from bernie sanders combative town hall on fox, which is grabbed the attention of everyone from the president to pete buttigieg. it's not every day you hear a "fox news" audience cheer medicare for all and we'll also head to iowa but we begin tonight with the president reviving two of the most incendiary elements of his 2016 campaign, his focus on immigrants and muslims. he's doubling down his attack on

congresswoman ilhan omar as he's ramping up his border rhetoric. it seems to be a strategy to distract, perhaps, from the special counsel's upcoming report which is expected to be released on thursday. i say it seems to be because, let's face it, mr. trump focused on immigrants and muslims during the 2016 campaign before there was such a thing as a mueller report and he'll probably be focusing on those two issues in the 2020 campaign well after we have digested what remnants of the mueller report we see. the president obviously wants to talk about a surge in migrants. but it's less clear if he wants to solve the problem. yesterday he urged the department of homeland security to send detained migrants to so-called sanctuary cities which, of course, could actually become a magnet for more migrants. afterall, the goal is to get to the united states and then what? settle down in a city. his threats to close the border, get rid of immigration judges and his decision to shut off aid to central american country all could make the problems at the

border worse, not better. that may be the feature. which begs the question, is it possible that's what he wants? at some point you got to think there might be elements of the president's base. is this a president who can't solve the problems at the border or is this a president who doesn't want to solve them? casesy hunt and joshua smith and michael steele was a senior adviser to both jeb bush and john boehner. kasie let me start with you on this and the president and the immigration situation. it seems to be if he wants to solve the problem, there are plenty of ways trying to go about trying to force solutions. he's not pursuing any of those. at what point do we say we kind of know what he wants? >> i don't see a way in which it is possible to heal the rift

that has developed between this president and congress, mostly democrats in congress, but also republicans and that's what it would take to really solve this problem. he has essentially cleared out the entire top of his department of homeland security because he doesn't like the laws that have been written. he says we need to change the laws. every single negotiation this president has entered in to on this subject has brought out, you know, all of those things in the campaign that democrats find to be the worst, most objectionable version of this president -- >> and you're debating morality, and once you're debating morality, you're not compromising morals. people don't do that. >> i cannot wrap my head around having a successful debate about immigration in congress considering what has gone on. >> okay. the reason i started with you is because you are correctly summarizing, which means there must be another motivation, joshua. >> well, yeah. i think the issue is the debate over morality.

this totally makes it impossible to move things through congress. that's really not the point. this is the issue that donald trump literally began his campaign with when he descended that golden escalator and says mexico is sending crime, drugs, rapists and some i assume are good people. it was part of a campaign that i think for the people who supported him reflected a vision of an america that they think they long for, that they miss, that feels more like a country that reflects them back and so the policy debate is almost secondary to this idea of, this is a president -- >> you say almost as if -- >> i think it is. >> to the idea that this is a president who is articulating a vision of an america that feels like i belong in it more than they do. now, whether you agree with that or not, that also can help justify why there's been so much chaos at dhs, why it's so difficult to move policy forward because that may not have been the point. the point may really be continuing to previa this vision

that works for the president's supporter, the question is whether the democrats can portray a vision of the country that replace it's with something else that americans can say, no, actually that's who i am. >> adrian, take that challenge because i do feel like this is the challenge democrats have -- >> it is. >> -- look, they can't look like they're for open borders, right? >> that's correct. donald trump does not want to solve this problem because it is a single most important issue that his base cares about. he knew that going into the 2016 campaign that is still the case while he's not expanding his base he's certainly helping to solidify it and ensure that it stays in his control. but to your point, chuck, democrats have to be very careful here too because we certainly can't look like we're -- that we want open borders or care about comprehensive immigration reform or about border security. ultimately -- >> don't you worry -- but there are elements on the left who actually want looser immigrant laws. >> there are and that's a challenge. we are looking at not for

democrats -- i'm looking at not necessarily at that left wing of the party, the super progressive wing, i'm looking at the more moderate wing of the party and those independents we crucial need in order to make sure we beat trump in 2020. >> michael steele, everything the president has bragged about over the last two weeks, every expert says is making the problem worse. here it is. >> we stopped payment to honduras, to guatemala and to el salvador. we were paying them tremendous amounts of money and we're not paying them any more because they haven't done a thing for us. >> we have to do something about asylum and to be honest with you, have to get rid of judges. >> we have to close up the borders. we're doing it but we're doing it -- i could do it much faster if they would act. >> they want more people in their sanctuary cities, well, we'll give them more people. we can give them a lot, an

unlimited supply. >> where to start with this? taking away the aid, that isn't going to work, that only encourages people to move faster. getting rid of the judges makes the backlog worse than it already is. 800 days behind or some absurd number like that for the average person -- >> years. >> excuse me. >> not 800 years but 800 days. >> shutting the border is being used to say, he's going to shut the border, you better come now or you're never getting over or sending them to sanctuary cities which is the goal. >> i'm going to start by giving the president to the benefit of the doubt, to the extent he wants it to be solved, he thinks a big beautiful wall paid for by mexico possibly with solar panels on it would solve the problem. absent that, i think he's still incredibly frustrated that everyone doesn't agree with him about that, he has an --

reassure his base that may have noticed he hasn't built a wall that he's still laser focused on this issue and still trying to be harsh and strong as possible while at the same time baiting and enraging washington democrats in taking positions that will be rejected by the majority of americans. these are the things you're hearing presidential candidates talk about and those are the things unacceptable to the middle of america. >> what do progressive democrats do with this? >> nancy pelosi is very shrewd and how she thinks about and deals with these issues. she's quite well aware of where her majority comes from and while she has held up some of these new members as, you know, showing the diversity of her caucus, she realizes that her majority comes from suburban america where they beat republicans and where this is not necessarily a winning issue, but i think it's pretty clear that, you know, your point seems to be that the president is doing this entirely for political reasons and not because he actually wants a

policy change and if you're looking at this through the lens of 2020, the goal seems to be making sure that the -- first thing at the top of his voters' mind is fear of immigration. and if, you know -- to a certain extent, he's succeeding. >> we got a taste of it. i had kellyanne conway on sunday and we were having an immigration discussion and she kept trying to bring up the name of a certain congresswoman that has -- >> it has nothing to do -- >> same exact thing. >> let me play the clip. >> but i think -- respectfully came from the other side. you have this is anti-semitic congresswoman who's been rebuked by members of her own party saying something has happened by someone. no, no. >> the president is trying to brow beat democrats. >> overnight or yesterday, congresswoman rashida tlaib tweet that had she's so tired of -- they're so tired of being used that the party's diverse and they can't get a seat at the table, can't get their policy issues forward.

something that was retweeted by ilhan omar. i think there's trouble in pelosi paradise, if she wants to fix immigration, she can come. >> you keep trying to do these things -- >> it's pretty obvious why they want to bring up omar. we know that, politically, some of omar's supporters believe nancy pelosi's not defending her enough, are democrats defending her enough from what is an obvious political play that the white house is doing here? >> i think so. i understand why some democrats may be trep dashs to go out there on this. at the same time these are comments that are being made when you look at her, when you look at rashida and aoc, this is what the far right wants to do or maybe just the right wants to do which is to highlight a handful members of congress and they want to make them seem like they are emblematic and representative of the entire democratic party and it's simply not true. this is the only thing the trump people have to go on now is to

focus on these fringe members of our party who are saying things that may not be in the mainstream of where democrats stand. >> however, i hear you on that, but there's also something to the rashida tlaib's and ilhan omar and alexandria ocasio-cortez's of the democratic party which is that they have fired people up and i don't know any issue that fires democrats up more, frankly, than sending a message to donald trump in 2020. and alexandria ocasio-cortez is not afraid to say it, rashida tlaib wasn't afraid to say it in bad language and there's something in the id of the democratic party to say, this is what i think of you, mr. president and even if the rest of the party isn't willing to defend them, there is something to, not only, the punching back at ilhan omar but the fact that she is a brown woman, children of somalia immigrants a muslim woman who is willing to talk about treatment of muslims of a diversifying browning america that appeals to democrats in ways that i think they wish the

party talked about more. >> i want to play -- i want to play how the president -- the president was asked about this in minnesota yesterday about omar and whether he would get rid of that video, which does target her individually, of course. take a listen. >> congresswoman omar sent out a release last night saying that your tweet from a couple of days ago has led to direct threats on her life. any second thoughts about that tweet and the way it was produced and put together? >> no, not at all. she's been very disrespectful to this country. she's been very disrespectful, frankly, to israel. she is somebody that doesn't really understand, i think, life, real life, what it's all about. it's unfortunate. she's got a way about her that's very, very bad, i think, for our country. i think she's extremely unpatriotic and extremely disrespectful to our country. >> michael steele, when did this become this easily acceptable that the president of the united

states can just defame her as unpatriotic for speaking? >> when president trump was elected. >> i know this -- >> to answer your question. >> i hear you. it seems like everybody in the republican party is very comfortable with what he's doing to her or is acting that way. maybe they're not. >> i don't think a lot of them are. >> it's unbelievable what he's doing to her. >> these freshman, they fire people up on the left, they also fire people up on the right. this is scary to a lot of americans and president trump as we've discussed a number of times, his approval ratings don't get over 50%. he trades between 43 and 46%. if he's going to win re-election which i assume is the point of this entire exercise, he needs to fire up his base, get them back voting in record number -- >> he's chosen the hardest way to do this. >> exactly. >> this is the hardest way to win. >> and the most distasteful way to win. >> if he had been capable of reaching out and creating a bipartisan majority, he wouldn't be donald trump. this is the way he has to win.

>> first of all, let's just think about the difference between how george w. bush handled issues along these lines in the wake of 9/11, actual 9/11 and to what this president is doing, you know, with a terrorist attack where there's been plenty out there on social media about what he was actually doing when he was in new york on september 11th. i do think it's important to look at what is happening with ilhan omar through the broader frame of what this president has said about muslims in america. maggie haberman had an excellent piece about this in the "new york times" and it is not out of the blue, it is not simply about her, it is about his campaign long quest to ban them from the country and to use that population in the same way, frankly, that he is demonizing immigrants at the southern border. it's two different ways to go after the same goal. >> i'm not sure it's the hardest way. i wonder if it might be the easiest. we've talked about some of the policy things the president has not been able to get done but he has been able to fire up a base. that's how he won in 2016. remember what abraham lincoln said -- >> i thought you'd want to

govern getting 55 or 60% is how you actually govern. >> winning elections is -- remember what lincoln said -- he's found ways to fire people up on the left and the right. i think you're right about that, and if he can't do it through policy, if he's not getting the policies through he wants, the playbook that worked in 2016, firing people up about cultural issues might work in 2020. >> that's also all he knows and he's not expanding his base. that's the problem. >> which is why he has to fire up the base. >> i agree with where he's headed. i just think it is -- it's the harder way to do this because your margin is like that. you guys are all sticking around. talking about an odd couple, how about bernie sanders and "fox news." town hall that even had president trump talking and why it just might work for the sanders campaign. trump uses the word we with fox. that's interesting, isn't it? plus the small city mayor who's made a gigantic 2020

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my name is tanya, i work in the network operations center for comcast. we are working to make things simple, easy and awesome. welcome back. bernie sanders did something last night that no other 2020 democrat has done yet. he appeared on a "fox news" town hall. he did not shy away from his agenda in front of the fox audience and he didn't pull any punches in the fox moderator either. take a look at this as he defends his medicare for all on fox. >> health care is not free. >> of course not you just said it was going to be free for everyone. >> it's going to be free at the point of when you use it, okay? if -- why are you so shocked by this? >> someone's going to pay? >> someone is going to pay. >> who is it? i'm just asking. >> we'll get through this together. >> it's a common question.

we had so many email questions ask senator sanders how he is going to pay. >> fair enough. i got it. are people going to pay more in taxes? yes but at the end of the day the overwhelm majority of people are going to end up paying less for health care because they're not paying premiums, whole payments and deductibles. >> sanders' appearance is getting a lot of attention. president trump tweeted his opinion and referred to fox in "we" because he believes it lmz to him apparently and pete buttigieg was pay attention as well. so let's check in on the presidential primary race as i've been enjoying doing over the past few months. i got the founder of the progressive website's daily coast and the current leaders and his readers, 2020 democrat strong hold, the two leaders are the two b's i mentioned there, bernie sanders and pete buttigieg. welcome back.

good toe-to-see -- good to see you, sir. >> good evening. >> i'm curious of -- you saw a story in the "new york times" about hang wringing over bernie sanders. ironically i've never mistaken you as a member of the establishment. what do you make of his strength this early in the process and is he stronger now than you expect him to be a year ago? >> i don't think he's that much stronger. i almost think he's where he's at. he's around 30 to 40% given depending on when the poll takes place and back in 2016 he was in the 60% range back then. we have a much wider field, it's a lot more fragmented. it's not so clearly delineated between an establishment and bernie. i think people are still making

up their minds and bernie has a very clear, strong, motivated, loyal core of support and that's incredibly valuable. he led in fund-raising this first quarter so it's coming through him and it's small dollar donors, it's pretty legit. is it enough to get him to where he needs to be? i don't know. i actually think he's maxed out and the question is, does he hold that support? so far he is. long way to go, though. >> i want to play another moment from this fox town hall where he took control of the audience or at least it's clear that if fox -- sean hannity didn't pick the audience that's for sure. take a listen. >> i want to ask the audience a question, if you could raise your hand here, a show of hands of how many people get their insurance from work, private insurance right now, how many get it from private insurance? okay. now of those how many are willing to transition to what

the senator says a government run system? >> so does that convince you that more democrats ought to spend some time with the fox audience? >> i don't think that was the fox audience. i think that was pretty much a pro-bernie audience. it's excite to go see him on tv and it's actually a smart move for him personally, but it just goes to show once again that he's not a team player. progressives have been working very strongly over the last year to really educate people about how fox is just basically donald trump's propaganda arm. he called it us and we. >> let's not you and i misquote him. let's put it up real quick. so weird to watch crazy bernie on "fox news." very strange and now we have donna brazile. go ahead. >> he clearly considers it the

network to be his and it's operated as such. he's got every reason to believe it's his network since they have become his propaganda arm. you talked about it early in the show about the hateful campaign, anti-muslim campaign against representative omar and "fox news" is right in the mix of it, the biggest megaphone promoting that whole, nasty demonization of an entire class of people. so by going on "fox news," basically what bernie sanders is saying that all that is okay, and has undermined efforts to marginalize fox to where it belongs which is off in the margins. >> so you would tell -- is it a mistake in your mind for pete buttigieg to line up a town hall? >> i absolutely think it's a mistake. not a mistake for him personally, but if he wants to be a team player and he's somebody that's not only surging in the field and has become a real contender he ran for the democratic party chairmanship last time. he's somebody who presumably wants to be a team player but he's not acting as one if he's

going to go on fox. other networks would host him. no reason to go on fox. >> if you're trying to talk to these folks that are getting this propaganda 24 hours a day and you get to break-through it for an hour, is that not a reason to do that? >> that's presuming that people didn't click off and stop watching. but even if they are watching, you can say that we'll have an entire presidential campaign and these people are going to live in their bubble, they're going to close shop, they're not moveable. "fox news" viewers are the most reliably republican constituency according to pugh research. this is about the biggest predictor voting republican is "fox news" audience. these people are reachable, when we have an entire class of demographics that aren't voting, that our truly friendly liberal demographics, people of color, single women, young voters, those are the people that we need to be reaching because if we get them to vote, there's

nothing "fox news" and donald trump and the republican party can do to win and we saw it last year in the midterm elections and that's a ticket to 2020, it's focusing on our base. >> what do you make of pete buttigieg overall, the rise of him and i think a month ago you and i would be talking about beto o'rourke at this point and i guess the question is, is this just going to be a monthly thing for a while in your view or did buttigieg essentially out beto beto. >>? >> it's markable seeing the collapse of beto -- >> he's got plenty of money. are we over -- be careful there. >> money? mayor pete had no money when he struck gold on the viral moment. you're right. this is a world where the next viral moment can decide who the next rising star is. fair enough. mayor pete has an incredible

resume. he is -- he's smart, clearly very smart. he's got great framing. he communicates well. so he's doing a lot of the things that i think you need. i'm a critic because of his lack of expertise. he's a small-town liberal college mayor. i'm not sure that's the step towards the presidency just because donald trump broke politics doesn't mean that democrats need to follow suit, but that said, he injects something fresh and new and exciting to the race and that has its own value and whether it has lasting power or not, i think he's motivating people and to me that's the most important factor moving ahead, do you motivate people and whether i agree or not is irrelevant, are liberals fired up and organizing? i think pete buttigieg -- still working on it -- >> you're doing well. >> i think he's doing a great job on that and i also think that -- this idea that it would

catapult small players. in this world of social media, you don't need that any more. you can use the internet to catapult yourself and mayor pete has shown that. >> that is absolutely true, although, you know, you break my late father's heart, he's from waterloo. thank you for coming on and sharing your views of the race. i look forward to continuing this throughout the year. >> always a pleasure. coming up, could the next senate race in alabama end up looking a lot like that special election in 2017? i think doug jones and roy moore are both hoping that would be the case. that's next. to make you everybody else... ♪ ♪ means to fight the hardest battle, which any human being can fight and never stop. does this sound dismal? it isn't. ♪ ♪ it's the most wonderful life on earth.

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welcome back tonight and 2020 vision is looks as if roy moore, that's right, roy moore may be poised to make another political comeback in his home state of alabama. >> i believe in the second amendment. >> could republican voters in alabama be ready to give roy moore another chance? his 2017 loss to doug jones gave democrats a senate seat in alabama for the first time in a quarter century after allegations of misconduct with underaged girls help doom moore's candidacy. >> we've been painted in an unfavorable and unfaithful light. >> but a new poll shows 34% of republican voters have a favorable view of moore.

29% unfavorable. a net positive rating. among republicans and that's not all, moore is also leading the potential senate gop primary field. >> wow. as moore flirts with the idea of another senate run poll numbers like this probably make him happy but that's not the greatest poll number. he's barely one to one with republicans but no doubt the fact that he leads the crowded primary has the republican establishment a pretty bit terrified. the president's campaign cash haul isn't a lot less than it should be. wait till i show you some numbers that prove that. we'll be talking about that after the break. oh! oh!

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there are ways to wire up the changes that have happened in our society and our economy and our politics to where it actually works for us, but it doesn't happen by pretending that you can just turn back the clock and the problem i have with make america great again,

is it's suggesting that we look for greatness in all of the wrong places of the there's no greatness by trying to move backwards. the only way we can get in touch with what makes america great is to look forward into the future and to look sideways at each other. >> that was pete buttigieg. he's speaking to voters in iowa where he's now polling third among democratic hopefuls and he's not just surging in the polls. he gained name idea and buzz. can he build a national organization around this momentum? josh letterman is traveling with pete buttigieg in iowa and he joins the panel here live from des moines where buttigieg is going to be speaking. so mr. letterman, let me start with you out in iowa, does it feel different? we've been with exploratory candidate all the way until sunday, now he's an announced candidate, is it all of a sudden iowans are acting -- or showing

up as if he's a front-runner? >> reporter: yeah, it definitely starting to feel different. we got here about two hours before this event that's not going to happen for quite a while and there's already a lot of folks, people lined up early trying to get in and we're seeing that folks here in iowa, a lot of them saw his tv appearances whether it was on ellen or late night tv and now they want to see him in person. people in iowa are expecting to meet their presidential candidates if not once but several times throughout the primary process. they see him as a top tier contender right up there with bernie sanders and elizabeth warren and joe biden if he gets in and they're giving him a fair look. >> you see any evidence they're using their money all of a sudden? is the campaign infrastructure getting bigger by the day, by the hour? >> it is starting to. they had a really low burn rate for their first quarter so they raised like $7 million, only

spent about a half million and now they're going to be looking to really dramatically ramp up their staffing adding about 20 people in the next couple weeks to what had been a staff of about 30 and hiring field organizers, data and analytics people, people to create content for their website and others in the early states. they know that they can't just have a media strategy. they have to have a campaign that can deliver votes and now that they have the money to do it, they're on the lookout for new talent. >> josh johnson, you try not to get caught in the beltway takes, even though you also now reside here, i'm sorry. >> this feels like a set-up. >> i'm curious what you make of the rise of buttigieg. even if it's just for a moment, why do you think he's -- >> no one's ever seen anyone like him before. think about what made donald trump such an unavoidable character on television? we were like, i've never, ever -- honey, come look --

>> there's a horse in a hospital. >> i saw that john wane special too. it's also the same thing that made barack obama so compelling. we've never seen anyone like him before. kamala harris has a story to tell. obviously bernie sanders is an interesting character, but pete buttigieg represents this amalgam of personal traits that america's never seen before so this early in the story -- >> but the individual traits they really like and he's all in one package. >> he's an interesting character. i'm not even looking at policy or politics or the fund-raising piece is important, though, although i think donald trump kind of broke some of the rules in terms of how you spend money. pete's just like, he's the most interesting. >> i think if i were running against pete buttigieg, i would probably refer to him that way but -- >> and i'm sure people will refer to him that way.

>> he seems to have already risen beyond that. >> campaigns have changed. we used to care a lot about what was on the front page of the des moines register and the way the media landscape has shifted, it's a sad statement. >> have we even bothered covering this year? i have no idea what anybody's position is on ethenol substance and i don't think iowans care. >> it's become a national media campaign to a large degree. if donald trump is reality tv maybe pete buttigieg is "game of thrones." but seriously to josh's point, he is clearly an incredibly talented guy. president obama was talking him up among associates years ago. we first kind of heard about him and i think the question is, is this the right moment for him as

simply the mayor of a small town? can he jump past that on to the bigger stage? >> i think it's because he's a mayor of a small town. >> it may be. >> i think that's part of the appeal. >> his literally the opposite of donald trump. he's young and a millennial. hillary clinton tried to make that argument but she failed because what everybody heard was the life that you had wasn't necessarily good enough. people were angry when she made that argument. >> she had spent one day in washington was one day too long. >> because he's from south bend, he can make the argument. >> because she was a voice from the past. pete buttigieg should scare the trump administration, should scare the trump campaign because he's from the heartland, because he is young and because he is a veteran, because he's interesting, because he is probably the most direct repost to trump both personally and professionally and on the issues. this is a guy who should scare them. >> i would argue that we did try to make that argument and we did make the argument but not everybody wanted to hear us

because it was hard to get attention with donald trump. >> they had already tuned hillary clinton out. >> fair enough. going back to mayor pete, here is the big question, can he actually turn this movement into an actual ground game and actual operation? can he pick up delegates? we all know sitting at this table you've got to get 15% of the vote in order to get delegates. can he actually achieve that? >> forget all the little stuff, what's your fear of him as the nominee? right now, he's the nominee, is it that he's never been through this before, that he doesn't know the juggernaut? what's your fear? >> my fear would be watching him on the debate stage with donald trump and if he could actually take him on the debate stage. i think the answer is yes, but there are a number of factors that might dissuade other people especially that independent, that moderate group of americans, swing voters who might think that he's not the right candidate to take him on in the debate. >> but he might be good with independence. he strikes me as a very

pragmatic progressive. he's required to get things done as a mayor. that might play well with people -- >> he can take him on the issues for sure but optically can he take him on. >> i just had marc os on. are they aware, do they think there is some sort of base anger if their showing up on fox? is that a negative in their view? >> reporter: not as far as the buttigieg campaign is concerned. look, your guest was right and they may have concerns in the democratic base about people going on fox, but at the end of the day, after the primary, there's a general election and you have to win the whole country and not just the democratic party if you want to be president. one of the things that i think a

lot of democrats like about pete buttigieg is he's really keeping the door open throughout the primary to people who even voted for trump last time, to independents, to maurts and even some republicans. he seems to be trying to meet them where they're at even though we're still in the primary and that seems to think to his viability as a general election candidate more than some of the candidates who are moving so far to the left in the primary. >> what do you make of marcus's comments? >> i agree on two fronts. 20% of viewers are democrats and a lot of the viewers are independents. i disagree. >> i think that the bernie sanders for example, you look at that, he knows that there are people that watch fox and might vote for him. why not do it? there is a divide in the democratic party about, you know, half of them want to be more like the republicans, like trump, and more moderates are saying, we can't actually win

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than they were in 2003 and even obama in '11. i just expected a bigger juggernaut. >> i think a couple things. one, it is worth noting that he still did pretty well among small dollar donors. >> compared to what the democrats are doing, he probably needs to. >> thitss does go to the continuing unease with some of the gop donor class. some have made their peace with him but some -- >> he's missing some max out donors. >> they're not exactly thrilled about writing a check to donald trump. but ultimately, it is trump? what is he going to use the money from? he doesn't need money the way traditional candidates do. >> but there are a bunch of traditional democratic fundraise here's are very nervous about it. they think this is for all the enthusiasm out there financially, this is kind of a tepid first quarter for the combined democratic candidates. >> i would argue differently. i think combined, democrats raised $68 million combined.

you compare it to trump, 30 million. yes, that's one person. >> in 2007 the democratic candidates combined for $80. >> hillary clinton raised $45 million in the second quarter of 2015, the first quarter that she was in the race. so that's also a lot more. >> i think there's big money on the democratic side still sitting on the sidelines. >> or they're trying to figure out, they don't want to necessarily pick a horse before they have any idea who is in front. this is a problem you have with such a giant field. that's really where you get into it. as you know better than anybody, the problem in a field like this is these big donors, they want to back a winner. if they see you're not getting the traction. that will detract further and further. i think we'll see these fundraising numbers stay low until somebody emerges more aggressively. >> also two other factors in the

way you fun the campaign of it is facebook and fox news. if the bernie sanders town hall taught us anything, this could become a new center of gravity in terms of king making. which has other reasons for concern that any one news organization would be like the path to become president. do you know how many ads you can buy a facebook for a million dollars? donald trump already blew up that play book. he was not the fifrlrst. obama's campaign did some of the first. >> i thought they said this is bad for iowa, i thought that was an interesting point. you don't need one state anymore. you can go viral. >> you still need a pass to the nomination. and it is a very tightly packed calendar. i thought that marcus' argument on fox news and having democrats, brets takingly stupid. churches expand by winning

converts. not by burning haeretics. it would be stupid. >> it is amazing how many have this main stream media. there are people in your state that watch normal news. >> back to the iowa question, yes, it might help you with iowa but if you lose iowa and new hampshire badly, the idea that you'll rebound, the idea these early states won't matter. there is something to the fact, that if there are ten big candidates and there are no big winner and then we go to super tuesday. the convention will be -- >> i'm looking at it another way. if. >> if there's not a brokered convention this time. if it doesn't happen now, we're never getting it. >> casey, joshua, thank you all.

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in case you missed it, our extended "meet the press" family is extending a bit further. about 20 inches further. meet katy tur's newborn baby boy. theodore teddy. he was born early saturday morning just in time to watch sunday "meet the press." katy reports he's already spoken

his first words, quote, wa, wa, wa. theodore, mom, dad, big brother, big sister, are doing great. a big congratulations to the entire family. well done, mom. that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "meet the press" daily. >> good evening. i don't know if you know what goes on when you are not here on "meet the press" daily. but katy and i have these awkward tosses. >> but ours are better, right? >> well, hey, it's "meet the press" daily with chuck todd. i'm hoping theodore is into silence. if she brings theodore, we can do even longer pre verbal tosses. >> i'm with you. i think theodore should do all the tosses. >> theodore is the most popular person for good reason at msnbc today. >> i love it. teddy, that kid is going to be something. he's got the