she will be talking to the head of the house judiciary committee, adam schiff from new york. she'll continue to sift through what we have been sifting through this past hour. the mueller report. what it all means moving forward. enjoy your easter weekend. right now, what's next? how democrats subpoena the unredacted mueller report. sidestepping inpeachment from now but promising to pick up the ball from robert mueller. >> the congress of the united states be honor its office to protect and defend the constitution of the united states, to protect our democracy. >> house intelligence chair, adam schiff. thank you, next. the president today curses out mueller on twitter after the report exposes a white house culture of lies and corruption. >> game over, folks. now it's back to work. putin has won.

the kremlin denying all today but the question for americans, did the trump campaign normalize letting russia influence american elections? >> that the president of the united states hasn't sat in the oval and said this is outrageous, this will not stand. i will never allow this to happen again, for me as a national security person, is just dumbfounding. good day. as the nation absorbs robert mueller's lengthy report describing russian efforts to sabotage the democrats in 2016. frantic efforts by the president to subvert the investigators from the start. restrained by a human guardrail of mostly departed senior aides. are americans numb to the idea of russia attacking our

democracy. what tools do democrat s have t respond? jerry nadler sent a subpoena for the complete unredacted report and calling mueller to testify. adam schiff will be joining me in a moment to talk about what to expect next. pete williams was one of the very first to get the report. he's here the share his take aways. what did we learn and what are your three or four big moments? >> i think the three things that stand out to me are first of all, why didn't the report make a conclusion on obstruction of justice. what the mueller team says is, the evidence was strong enough that they couldn't let the president off the hook and say for sure that he didn't commit a crime. that's why they say this doesn't exonerate him which is a very odd thing for prosecutors to do.

they are not in the exoneration business. secondly, they said they couldn't reach even the point of deciding whether the evidence constituted a crime because of the long standing justice department policy that says you can't indict a sitting president. in essence they say we walked right up to that door but we couldn't go through that door. the attorney general, william barr said that's not the reason. wh what mueller told him is the evidence was inconclusive. the policy about not indicting a president had nothing to do with it. i guess we'll have to wait until bob mule teeller testifies. barr said he has no objection. the second thing on russian influence. the word they use is numerous contacts between people in the trump campaign and russians. none of them amounted to a crime. here is an interesting quote

from the report. it says russia perceived it would benefit from the trump presidency and the trump campaign expected it would benefit from information the russians stole but it says the evidence didn't show that members of the trump campaign were agents of the russians and doing the bidding in way that's illegal or violate campaign finance laws. it's interesting what the report doesn't say. there's been abobsessin obsessi his business relationships with the russians. it says very little about that. doesn't say that vladmir putin had a hold over him and doesn't say anything about his contacts with the russians and the bank loans. those are things that the mueller team spent little time looking at. >> one of the interest things that discounts william barr's synopsis when we got to read the report, mueller outlines not just those ten instances of

attempted obstruction but details about obstruction and he says if we could have cleared him, we would have but we didn't. they are saying even though they had this deference to the office of legal counsel prohibition against indicting a sitting president, he says, we would be very happy to clear him and we don't think we can. he also in up with of the footnotes regarding impeachment, there's an inference here. >> on the very first page. >> exactly. says a possible remedy through impeachment would not subsequent for potential criminal liability after a president leaves office. impeachment would remove president from office but not address the underlying cu culpability. >> what i find very puzzling about this report. it says we're not going to say he committed a crime for a couple of reasons. number one, we can't charge him.

that's the justice department rule we live under. secondly, it wouldn't be fair to do that. it's not fair to azccuse someon of a crime and not charge them because they never have a chance to fight for their good name in a trial. then they go onto say, but by the way, we didn't find enough evidence to clear him either. that's something prosecutors just never do. i think that's puzzling. >> well, thank you so much for all of your coverage which will continue. we're going to be dealing with this for the next two years and beyond. thank you so much. you were just spectacular. joining me, the democrat chair, adam schiff. a lot to talk over. you were one of the earliest to say follow the money. you were objecting to the fact that devin nunes and those who followed him when he recused,

which he didn't were not going after subpoenas. what about this whole issue of following the money and the dog that didn't bark in the mueller report was all the financial entanglements. is that being pursued by sdny. >> pete was right in saying that there's very little discussion of those issues in the mueller report. i don't think it's because mueller chose not to spend time on it. i think it was likely that mueller decided or rod rosensterose rosenstein decided this is beyond the scope he's allowed to look at. it may be driving his decisions

meaning we're not protected from russian malign influence in this country. mueller making clear there's a parallel counter intelligence. those reports go to whether the president or people around him may be acting either wittingly or unwittingly under russian influence. that can be financial influence. we're going to get those reports from the department. in an odds and bipartisan way, it's whether mr. nunes will go along with the majority or anything. he and i have requested the underlying documents. we're prepared to subpoena those as well if the justice department doesn't follow the legal requirements. >> to the committee, to just you

and the ranking member. how is this going to work? the obligation is to provide that foreign intelligence information to our committee. we are very conscious as a broader matter that we don't want the justice department to hide behind the gang of eight or the intelligence committee and shield from the other members of congress information they need to determine how to do their jobs in congress and how to hold this administration accountable and protect the country. we want to make sure that the information that we get is made available to other members in an appropriate fashion so that we can take necessary steps and i think that's absolutely essential and that may be we need greater sanctions on russia. we need greater election protections. the administration is doing frightening little to protect us from a recurrence of russian interference in 2020.

>> the secretary of state just said a news conference they have been aggressive and pushed back in every single meeting with the russians. kremlin denying they did anything to try to subvert the american election. you're saying that's not the case. >> it's very clearly not the case. what more do we need to look at h helsinki where president said he trusted vladmir putin's denials over the work product of his own agencies. the president of the the united states is too weak to confront vladmir putin when it comes to election interference. as long as they interfere on his side, he may even be grateful. the mueller report makes too clear the trump campaign built its messaging and strategy

around the knowledge the russ n russians hacked. there's little indication to the russians this president intends to stand up to him and up to putin in any meaningful way. >> do you think there could be information in the counter intelligence basket in the mueller report that could be the grounds for impeachment? >> it's possible the counter intelligence findings will add to the body of evidence. the obstruction of material laid out by the special counsel is damming enough in i think what we need to do is really take some time to let settle in the seriousness of what mueller has set out and this almost a dozen acts or courses of contact that could amount to obstruction of justice and determine what the right course is. we need to continue the investigative work to determine are there other ways this president is compromised or are there other offenses that rise

to the level of removal from office. here we are less than 24 hours after the report and we need to have a discussion about what's the import of this and what's the way forward. >> if you see such evidence would you proceed with impeachment? is this a political mind field for democrats as pelosi has privately warned. it sets democrats to be attacked by the white house and others. >> i think we have seen a wholesale abdication responsibility by the gop leadership, by people like kevin mccarthy, mitch mcconnell who do whatever the president says. that includes when the president wants to go around congress power of the purse.

it includes issues of malfeasance, corruption within the administration. there's been little or no appetite to stand up to the president in no meaningful way. that really has our democracy trembling. an impeachment proceeding cannot be successful if one party decides they are more loyal to the party and the person of the president than the country. that's a real structural problem right now. the gop has no independence from this person. it's made itself a cult of trump's personality. it does threaten our democratic institutions. we'll have to figure out what that means in terms that we have a gop so willing to over look its constitutional obligations but that is where we are. >> adam stifchiff. you have a lot of work ahead of you. thank you very much. >> thanks. coming up, eye of the storm.

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ira's illegal activities. the special counsel did not find any conspiracy to violate u.s. law involving russian linked persons and any persons associated with the trump campaign. that's the bottom line. >> attorney general welcome barr might have been speaking to an audience of one with his four separate references to no collusion. a term not part of the legal lexicon. he's been widely krcriticized b many by some of those willing to give him the benefit of the doubt despite his controversial remarks at the hearing saying yesterday's comments were not appropriate. your reaction to bob barr'

pre-buttal and the way characterized the report which was different than reading the report. >> unfortunately, i think barr's pre-buttal was barr acting as the communications director for the white house rather than the u.s. attorney general which is to say that he was using a term collusion, as you pointed out, that is a term that robert mueller explicitly said in his written report was not an appropriate term to use. it was actually using the language that donald trump himself has been using and saying no collusion. it absolutely was reenforcing something that was not what robert mueller was saying. robert mueller was clear he had not found sufficient evidence to establish that there was conspiracy. he also noted in his report that there were several factors that

impeded his investigation, including witnesses taking the fifth, witnesses lying and his inability to get to certain witnesses, particularly those who were over seas. when you take all that into account, that's obviously not an exoneration of the president. it's true there was not evidence that directly implicated conspiracy but a whole lot of information that suggested there was more to look at there. >> one other part of what welcome bar sar said, chuck, yo know the justice department and his reputation before he took this job for the second time was when he went into the intent of the president, how does he know the intent if robert mueller after a year of trying couldn't get the president to sit down an interview. >> the hardest thing for prosecutors to do is gauge intent. to describe someone as bloelievg

x or y is difficult to accomplish. as prosecutors we always want to talk to the subject or the target. we don't always get to for various reasons. engaging intent is more difficult if you don't talk to the person. >> should he went with the subpoena and slug it out to the supreme court. >> the time between the issuance was about four or five months. mueller provides two reasons why they didn't do it. we think we had enough from other sources that went to the

question of intent and two were were concerned about delaying the investigation further. we always want the talk to the subject, if we can. that remains a bit of a lingering or open question of why thigh didn't puey didn't pu. >> cory lewandowski not pressuripressure ing jeff sessions. don mcgahn, the scenario as a white house counsel, can you imagine yourself in a situation where the president is calling you from camp david and saying get rid of mueller. tell rod to get rid of mueller. what would you have done? >> repeatedly. at one point mcgahn left him

with the impression he would do it but he was worn down so he got him off the phone and didn't do it. there was another aspect of the president's demands he wanted mcgahn to fabricate a record that would subsubstantiate ordered the firing of mueller. he ordered him to create a piece of evidence in the official records of the white house he knew not to be true. >> we know that mcgahn, because of reporting had given 30 hours of testimony. now we know exactly a great deal about what went on there. the president was criticizing mcgahn for taking notes in meetings and said why do you take notes. lawyers don't take notes. i've never had a lawyer who took notes. mcgahn responded he took notes because he's a real lawyer. part of that was roy co hn didnt

take notes. >> he said i'm a real lawyer and i take notes. he said i've known a real lawyer. i have no doubt he didn't. >> there are just one occasion after another. they protected the president from going further than he did. >> yes, what's important to note is a matter of law is the fact that the president was not successful in obstructing justice doesn't change whether or not legally he might be guilty of obstruction. this sort of notion that certainly thank god mcgahn didn't take his instruction but that doesn't end the legal

inquiry. what's very clear and telling about the way that robert mueller wrote the volume two of his report, the obstruction volume is to really lay out any stakes substantial evidence. that's a term he uses in the section the substantial evidence. he's being very careful not to come to a legal conclusion because he's deciding he needs to send this to congress which is another important factor in how william barr handled this whole matter. i think what it really does point to is that there are lots of disturbing facts that i would argue establish a real case if he were not a sitting president of obstruction of justice. that is extremely important to note. folks were willing to take the

direction of the president to lie. for a president to call news outlets that are putting facts out fake news to have sarah huckabee sanders say, for example, after the comey firing, admit she lied when she said that the fbi was essentially had low morale because of james comey, which she later had to admit wasn't true. i think that's something we have the make note putting aside whether there's a law that's been violated but that we actually have a white house that will put out false statements. >> did the president have -- did mueller have any options regarding whether the president could be indicted on the olc? >> i don't think so. mueller in his role as special counsel is a subordinate justice department official therefore bound by department of justice policy. the policy is clear. mr. barr said he wasn't going to revisit it. what the mueller team had was the obligation to gather facts

on the first volume regarding russian conspiracy to interfere in the election. they exonerated the president and his team but he couldn't in the second volume regarding obstruction recommend charging. if you can't charge the president, i submit, neither can you recommend charging the president. they were principled and careful because their options were limited. they stuck closely to be policy that guided them. >> is it subpoena the mueller testimony, hearing to have robert mueller say what he really thinks or just stand on the report. >> he will speak to the issues he covered in the report and will hear from attorney general barr. those are two pieces of important testimony. if i may say one point about the olc opinions. they are very poor opinions and have caused all sorts of trouble. in this particular case they

really did present a problem for the coherence of the second part of the report. robert mueller is telling us what he believes is taking place and on the other hand he stops short of saying so. you wind up in this odd passage in which he says i can't quite say that he didn't and i would have said he didn't if i didn't think there was substantial evidence to show he didn't. it lead a very unclear record. i think olc opinion is at the heart of >> thank you very much. coming up, putin's play book. the mueller report lays out an unprecedented look in 2016. what about 2020? micha michael mcfall joins us next. michael mcfall joins us next at hilton.com,

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if there were still any doubt about russia's extensive covert activities to interfere in 2016 it's in plain sight in the mueller report. mueller counting more than a dozen chances to engage ties.

despite the creme lkremlin's de vladimir putin was informed at every stage of the operation. michael, your reaction to what is outlined here. we knew it was happening. a lot of it was in plain sight. the extent of it is extraordinary. >> i agree. the extent is extraordinary. a couple of things are extraordinary and a couple of things are disappointing. it's extraordinary detail and that's a great shout out to our intelligence community we were able to gather this information on the russians about what the gru did. the russian military intelligence and the internet research agts ency. i'm very impressed. the second thing disturbing is how many contacts were were twine americans affiliated with

the trump team and the russians. i've read it and seen it. i don't understand why, it's still a mystery why these americans were meeting so often with the russians. the other part, this was not a complete investigation of what the russians did in 2016. ra i really want to underscore that. it was an investigation into conspiracy with the russians. as a result of that it was not mr. mueller's mandate to look at what russia today and sputnik did. it's not the mandate to look at what the possible hacking of our electoral infrastructure was. i thought there would be more about the money. those were the parts of a bigger campaign not covered. >> we know the counter

intelligence officials were from different agencies. can we presume there's a lot more there they collected and that's going to be briefed to adam schiff and his counter part on the senate side? >> i hope so. we know from reporting that 21 states were violated in one way or another. thankfully vladimir putin chose not to use that capability but obviously something happened there big and the other thing that's not in the mueller report different for instance from the 911 bipartisan commission is there are no prescriptions about what to do to try to prevent this in the future. >> what do you say to mike pom p -- pompeo who say they are aggressively talking to them?

>> i hope that's happening. i can give him one bit of advice. it would be fantastic for that campaign if the president of the united states said the same thing. the fact this report came out, hundreds of pages of what russia did to violate our sovereignty and not one word from the commander in chief lambasting that effort. i know that would get the russians attention more than anything that the trump administration might do. >> maybe he's watching. thank you very much. coming up, he's running. joe biden finalizing his plans for presidential run. how will he stack up against an emboldened trump if he gets nomination. gets nomination opening doors with . turning 50 opens the door to a lot of new things... like now your doctor may be talking to you about screening for colon cancer. luckily there's me, cologuard. the noninvasive test you use at home.

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>> i think most of the policies of all these people, i could line up with and so to me it ends up being who do i think can lead our country in a positive way and get away from this mire of divisiveness we're in and how we can trust or government again. >> a very small sample. mike, first to you. your reporting which is consistent with what we're hear frg t hearing from the atlantic. it's next week for joe biden. it's going to be a video. probably the one he taped in scranton.

>> reporter: all i can suggest is keep a bag packed and ready. we're expected to be traveling with the vice president on short ord order. joe biden is a front-runner in this party's nomination battle. typically we would expect a candidate of his stature, a former vice president, someone with a long record of experience to have a big built out campaign team ready to go. it's a small team of advisers. a lot of the finer details will play out are still very much a matter of discussion. we expect that decision, a long awaited decision to come in the middle of next week. the online video announcement is important as well. there's an urgent need to quickly build up his digital infrastructure. it's about getting a lot of attention and excitement and small dollar donations into his campaign quickly. >> that is the challenge. all this against the backdrop of

the president now responding, declaring victory. tweeting today it was not necessary for me to respond to statements made in the report about me which are total profanity, deleted and only given to make the other person look good or me to look bad. this was an illegally start eed hoax that never should have happened. your reaction to this. >> that tweet never finished. >> i know. >> we're still waiting for the rest of that thought. we have seen for weeks now an attempt to sort of get ahead of this and shape the narrative of this report. as soon as the attorney general barr released his summary, the president and his allies were quick to latch onto it and say it was total exoneration which isn't what it said and try to frame the argument that way and

paint any further invest gags th -- investigations. the president was there including to claim that he won. he used game over. game of thrones tweet to sort of taunt with that result. then he did go silent as we left the white house and now he's back on twitter. there's some politically embarrassing and damaging material in the report. he's not going to focus on that. they are still trying to focus on the top lines. the idea there wasn't a conclusion of collusion. they're going to try to take this as win. >> clearly, yes. peter baker, your story in the new york times today capturing what was really vealed. the messiness, the ugliness, the

lines, the distortion. the white house that emerges from more than 400 page s a hot bed of conflict. defined by a president who lies to the public and his own staff and try to get his aides to lie for him. take it from him, peter. >> that's right. as john said there's no bottom line charges that are going to result from this. we don't see any real movement toward any kind of impeachment on the hill. no republican is come out as a result and said i think we ought to think about that. what that means is lasting impact of this report will be what it tells us about this presidency. what it tells us about this white house. unlike the best selling books and journalistic accounts that are infused by necessity from anonymous sources, this is all on the record from pretty unimpeachable source.

>> there's the list. you have been reporting on the concern of some whouwhite houses they were too cooperative. they were told to cooperate from the former lawyers. then you have this list of those who were trying to protect the president from doing worse things on the obstruction front. on that list you have dan coats, james comey, don mcgahn, rob porter, jeff sessions, chris christie. james clapper.

>> mueller essentially said that the president walked up to the line of obstructing justice but you have all of these official who is refused to carry out his orders because they felt as though they were either illegal or cross some type of ethical line. that is potentially politically difficult for president trump but the trump team, the president's lawyers, his advisers, they are really trying to point to and stick to the bottom line. that's why you have the attorney saying we're not going to release that counter report. we want to have focus on the bottom line. they feel in the eyes of public,

that bottom line looms hard. a lot of people drilling into the detail offenils of this 400 report. that's the strategy to turn the page on that. >> svery difficult to turn the pages. coming up, back to the start. tra extraordinary episode of how the president reacted to the news that robert mueller was first appointed. this is andrew a mitchell repor. a s

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quote will not be celebrated by being on the wall of the trump presidential library some day. >> maybe on a t-shirt. >> maybe on a lot of t-shirts probably. >> how different is this? you've read reports before and lived through watergate. as an historian, what are we living through here? >> we're living through all sorts of things we have never seen and also on that quote, him saying this is the end of my presidency, if you look at the presidents of the last half century, almost every single one of them was investigatored by some prosecutor. what this suggests is that donald trump must have thought he had an awful lot to hide. >> one of the quotations from the mueller report, they were in this bind because they can't indict or recommend an indict given the office of legal counsel who ha ambition and he

writes if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit obstruction of justice we would so state based on the facts we are unable to reach that judgment. >> obviously mueller was speaking to congress and that raises the question, what should the house and also the senate do right now. i would suggest that the house and senate, it means more coming from a democratic house, investigate some of the open questions that were left by the mueller report. >> now, as an historian, you'll appreciate this isn't quite ancient history, but take a look at lindsey graham talking about another president and another impeachment. this is from "meet the press" from january of 1999. >> he doesn't have to say go lie for me to be a crime. you judge people on their conduct, not magic phrases. >> that was during the clinton

impeachment process and lindsey graham had very different views from today. >> what is the outcome here, though. let's assume that it does not proceed to impeachment and conviction in the republican senate. how damaging is this -- are all these revelations about donald trump or are we used to lying and threatening and abusive behavior in the white house. >> i hope americans will not become used to that. and how donald trump reacts to this, if he does this in a way that helps him, he'll say this was a close call. i was helped by having people like don mcgahn who were not just telling me what i wanted to hear. that probably saved my presidency. maybe i should have other people around me now who will give me contrary advice. donald trump now is going to feel untram melled and he's going to say i dodged the

bullet, i alone can fix it and i'm going to increase the degree to which which is a presidency of me alone doing what i want to. >> the twitter response so for from the president and mar-a-lago today does not speak to the first possibility. just to finish with something written by our colleagues at "the washington post" that the mueller report revealed how the president created a atmosphere of chaos -- >> great presidents learn from things like this. i hope donald trump does. i'm not so sure he will. >> michael beschloss, always a pleasure. thanks very much. >> same here, andrea. . >> same here , andrea at carvana, no matter what car you buy from us,

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